The real reason to change that pdf was to erase the 205s of Tumelo and mthoko since one of them called the Meyiwa family that Longwe has shot Senzo🤞🤞🤞simple
They are not discrepancies. It was a deliberate manipulation of data to implicate the accused. What a pity. It is a public court where we are all hearing the case. We will know if justice has been miscarried.
i think MaMshololo should have laid a bases on the issue of "separating a cellphone as gadget from a person as human being" e.g Mr Ntuli accused 5 will come and tell the court that he has never left or leave his cellphone, wherever he was, his gadget is with him. The only time he was separated from his gadget was during his arrest and incarceration " after that she should proceed with her question or fact put across to the witness.
The device is owned by the accused why now when it reflect and proves that the accused was at a different place at the time of the murder,now it has to be separated from the owner?but the state itself has relied its case on the device to prove its case.
Sibanda took about 2 months only leading evidence of telephone data to try to place the accused on the scene of crime,now when the defence has to punch holes regarding the whole evidence of cellephone data,its been objected left right centre,and even went as far as to a question of two people sharing the same number,which that possibility has never came to the mind of the state before,and when they led such evidence. when is our defence actually submitted application for sec:174?dont you think it's time?
I'm totally convinced that this case has been cooked, if is not cooked why the state didn't not call Kelly's mother coz she is an eye witness i think she can assist the state
No one ever testified to seeing Longwe with a gun, instead earlier witnesses claimed to have seen a guy with dreads fleeing the house......Longwe had no dreads at the time .....as to who those guys were, hope we find out.
She is not even close to being detailed. She sounds like she is but its 0% of a defense. So far none of them have had a strong case to weigh up the defense. But i understand, media hype and lack of understanding will succeed.
how can a judge who is neutral say "even if there are discrepancies in the state document, it does not matter"??????? it seems the judge has forgotten the role of the court in cross examining is to prove if the evidence is true or not...now if there is forgery and as a judge u say 'it does not matter'....that is just stupidity at its worst!!!!!!!!
The judge was right on that... adv mshololo already made a point known that there's wrong doing, that the number doesn't belong to accused 5 and proven it
Hear for judge ratha , not persons but the device were there,,, but how could the devices came to that particular places if it weren't with the person?
I wish Mshololo would take the time to understand the impact and meaning of words and terms. Her misunderstandings put her at odds with the judge. She uses accusatory and presumptive language without providing a basis or substantiation. Terms like "tampering," "wrong data," and "it confirms" are used inappropriately. She conflates ownership of a device with its usage without justification and expects the court to accept that!
Judge wishes to dictate how Adv should conduct her cross examination just to instill a misconception of inexperienced or rather poor examination just district her to give the witness a room of support and confidence but I'm impressed her not to lose her cool and still insist on her request. Proud of you Adv Mshololo keep that strategy
Adjourned til Monday😡and he aint barking as always coz they are partners in crime what a biased creature,what happened to their million witnesses thats disguisting kgaaaaaa🤮steyn SURRENDER
The state is left with 2 witnesses, Mangena and Gininda to close/rest their case. They can't call Gininda 1st, Mangena must come 1st, then Brigadier Gininda. Then your defence will call their witnesses. They have already lost, Baloyi and Sibanda have won this hands down. If Ntanzi did not do this, where was he on that fateful night? Why can't he give an alibi?
@Tayma11June I am not on trial for the murder of SM, I did not provide a wrong alibi that I was at work when I was not, I did not deny knowing the other accused when telephone records says others. And yes I know where I was, I was at home on that fateful evening and can provide a solid alibi to that. Anyone on trial for a murder that has the potential to send them to life in prison will provide a solid alibi to where they were that night
He is not annoyed but infact dissapointed that:it's now coming out crystal clear to the extend that even a blind man could see that the accused are not part of the murder.
So if state goes with that idea on 4:06, how will they prove who used those numbers if they are not rica’d under their names?? I’m trying to understand the state’s version of how they will prove such a matter…
But if someone gives you their number, do you ask them if it's registered in their name. 🙊You can't know who registered the sim, if someone gives you a number as theirs you assume as such. Ratha likes to say common sense but it's not common sometimes waits.
Mshololo argues that her client was never part of the communication between the two numbers. Thus, even if the state could prove there was communication between those numbers, it would be irrelevant. She then insisted on continuing to examine the communications, but instead of revealing anything significant, it turned out to be inconsequential; dololo!
The minute the state begins to assist the witness it shows that they have accepted already Unfortunately the Judge is live on tv he's pressured to remain and being seen to be doing justice
I don't know what was the state doing by introducing cell-phone evidence. This evidence is rubbishing the case . I don't know how they gone come back 😮
😂😂😂its chaos they say phones belongs to the accused but wen the evidence says otherwise they say the device😂😂😂 kubi . They have lost the case 🤞🤞🤞 The accused will get money from the state
If the towers were showing that phones were next to khumaloz House then what do you think they were going to say? 😂😂😂Mara state why now that's what Teffo called monkey tricks
Obviously you're not aware how many grandmother's the same age as yours died from stress after your so-called fraud murder comparison. In a civilised country the charge should be murder ... And one more thing, if you happen to live in South Africa, you must have heard if the Life Esidimeni case where people are charged with murder. If you owned a car you would face murder charges after an accident you know, maybe you overrate yourself in the cognitive realm.
Mshololo done with ratha's ex sibanda and Baloyi couldn't even appear on camera because he doesn't want to be embarrassed as ratha and his ex boyfriend
I'm a Scorpio by the way. And for the dreamers and sleepers who sleep and dream that some people are sleeping ... Here's free education for you. Scorpios never sleep, let alone dream. We are too important for that. While sleepers are dreaming, Scorpios are busy making money, studying for their second or third degree and enjoying life.
4:07:33 Baloyi Junior looking and sounding all confident. "and if I was wrong, I believe they would have stood up and objected". By extension of this logic, the state tampered with the call logs because they never stood up to object when it was brought to the attention of the court that the numbers from Voda differ with that from the police.
starts arresting police officers who failed to close, secure the murder scene, deviated, tampered with evidence, again adv baloyi for misleading, hiding 375, gininda. then justice will be served for senzo.
The state wanted Steyn to rectify his mistakes, even using illness as a sympathy card to buy time. Mnsisi and Mshololo defended by insisting on a formal procedural application. Well played by these two defence advocates. The other two defence persons were caught sleeping!
How can she be advocate gosh how do you cross examine a statement where your client denied he ever used that nr the issue is not 1 or 44 calls only 1 call will link him
Sorry to say the Judge has made a decision long ago, state has alot to loose in this case so whatever the outcome, it has to be on state favor.. Allegedly
It seems the State is running out of witnesses that can put meat to the bones coz with respect to Accused Numbers 3, 4 & 5 there are only bomes no meat...but guys you can differ with me and criticism is welcomed. ...in any event it was my opinion...29/7/2024
RSA have a jake as judge in Ratha Mokgoatlheng, he doesn't even know that 128 seconds is only 2 minutes 8 seconds 😂😂 the only part left out by the defence "they should have asked Pinky girl to be specific as how to read those hundred seconds in normal time or duration" maybe it would have been more clear
Lol this case guys haikhona something fishy., only so bored when the judge is side very negative torwards defence and positive towards the state its seems like he already make decision to this matter allegedly.it is clear to evidence that accused placed in one place but now its different.how can you placed accused in one place but cell phone data place them in different place and how wer they communicate if the state said it doesn't mean the accused they wer with their phone with them but do they communicate hy.
Why request late for section 205...the state has no case against these 5accused,they are trying to build it now..NPA has alot to answe for,who moved this case to high court and why cause clearly there is no evidence against these 5guys😂😂
