Ratha is retired Judge bamlande cz bebazi ukuthi uzoliqhuba lelicala. Congratulations to mama kaSenzo now you will know the mastermind ekufeni komntanakho. As a mother myself owafelwa ingane yomfana I know the pain believe
The Judge knows what he is doing, He want the mastermind to be arrested and secrets will be out. If he rulled inadmissible then kelly will not face the music. For me I like the rulling so that kelly can tell the truth, remember this rulling is not final judgement
Kelly and Longwe must come cos already Longwe has mentioned that he does not know why people are attacking him, they must ask Kelly what happened. They will on each other and the truth will be out, that there were no intruders.
weeeeelele welele welele welele nonsense all the way nonsense the conduct of the judge said it all before even the judgment nonsense these boys are guilty of other crimes we agree but this one well done Kelly and the team goodluck for the future
Indeed and people get carried away by these so called podcasts where a sister to one of the accused keeps on peddling unfounded allegations, even Senzo's brother. Why can't they be what is called friends of the court if they have so much evidence? They are raising a tonne of money in the process through donations and hence they can easily pay for legal representation. Instead that money goes elsewhere....this money comes from the gullible social media lovers.
But the evidence by the state is not clear cut so I don’t get it. The evidence of the police couldn’t be proven and had a lot of holes. Not all cars had AVL so tracking one car when there was a convoy escorting the accused doesn’t make sense… If Gininda met them at the police station his car’s AVL was supposed to corroborate that but there wasn’t enough evidence so according to what the state presented there is a likelihood that the accused were right simply because the evidence isn’t tight…
Why would Kelly and company clean the house before the police arrived or were even called? Why would they want to protect Senzo's wife if she sent hitmen to Kelly's house to kill Senzo? All the eye witnesses said Senzo was still alive when they were driving him to the hospital. Zungu said Muzi announced Senzo's death even before it was announced anywhere else. I doubt Muzi was in Senzo's when he was being transported to the hospital, so how would he have known Senzo died if he wasn't sure the bullet that hit Senzo was a killshot? So y'all reckon Senzo's wife was told, then she called Muzi to say "it's done"? I personally believe Senzo was killed accidentally, then there was a cover up by the police. What we are currently witnessing is not about protecting the people in the house, it's more of a cover up of a cover up, if that makes sense.
@@SamukeloMaduna covering up the fact that they tried to cover up at the original crime scene when Senzo was killed. Not sure if you'd noticed, but almost every state witness kept closing holes that were left by the preceeding witness. When being lead on their evidence, they would conveniently mention something that the previous witness encountered during cross examination.
Now you are digressing into something. The same mistake done by the defence. They spent a lot of time presenting or cross-examining state witnesses on things adding no value to material matters regarding a trial within a trial. The last straw was when Mgo called in a witness who was irrelevant as he was not part of the team that arrested the defedants and involved in the so called confessions arrangements and hence his evidence was largely based on hearsay and obviously this is not adminisible. A lot of those things should have been left for the main trial. Even the state was not immune from this disease. For example, I don't know how the witness who gave testmony on prison regulations added value to proving beyond reasonable doubt that these guys were not tortured. Lastly the defence knew that there as a voice recording about Ntanzi's confession and were at some point given time to go and listen to and later succesfully argued that it was recorded without his consent and hence not admissable. They didn't for instance advance an argument on the authencity of such a recording without a scientific verification of the voices. So for them to let Ntanzi claim that he never conversed with Magistrate Cronje was one of the mistakes, at least in my opinion. He could have rather claimed he gave a confession under duress fearing for his life due to the beatings. He also claimed that the confession he was purported to have signed was forged. For him to admit that the signature was his when the state had not proven or verified that was another mistake. Now he can't later argue that it was not his. Remember he claimed that he bled on the papers that he initialled and hence he could have easily claimed that those which were shown in court without blood stains were forged. We could go on and on but my opinion is that fatal flaws were committed by the defence.
@@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637which evidence is this person talking about? There was not evidence it was all he said she said from both the state and defence
@@nkosikhangelemzilikazi1637Just starting with the fact that Ntanzi lies too much. He lied that never had one police officer or magistrate read him his writes or told him why he was arrested. He said the dentist, magistrate & 2 different interpreters in different field lied about the same thing He supposedly never told them. He lied he was at work when he was not. He lied abt drawing money. He lied about being taken to a ATM dump yard. He lied about the magistrate never asking him a single question. He lied about not bathing for weeks but yet he had changed clothes on multiple occasions. Throwing hus defense under the bus multiple times. You cannot be rational & look over these facts. A major clue in the confessions being admissible was that majority of the defense head of arguments were never even brought up in cross examination of state witnesses for the trial within a trial.
I sad this long time ago that , this is a powerful Judge and he knows his story and further with this Judge Rata , this case is goner be finished successful soon and we will know the true story behind killing senzo meyiwa
Gininda said Ntanzi is a big criminal dealing with firearms I find it hard to believe that he can just confess to the police that he killed senzo meyiwa just like that
We've already knew that this was going to be Ratha's rulling,its not surprising.i feel sorry for this two guys because its clear that even the final judgement they are going to be found guilty, its clear as well.
The judge is saving his life here the way he put it he is actually saying the accussd are not guilty but in oder for him to be trusted by the state so that in the final he will change and say these guys are not guilty he is now saving his life to continue with the case but I know at the end the 5 guys are innocent the judge knows that just he want to continue I can say what a smart way of doing things he even say it's a ruling not judgement what does that mean to you?
5 months job only finalized in 15 minutes reasons defence had poor defence what a waist of time.bt at least accused rights were taken into consideration
It's so sad . The defence cocertrated on the arrest procedure and deed very little to prove about the confession and pointing out. On Ntanzi Mjiyakho should have been brought to court.
Calling Mjiyako in the trial within a trial was supposed to be called by the state since they say Ntanzi was represented. The state was supposed to prove they have evidence that Mjiyako was hired and retained by Ntanzi and that proof doesn’t exist but we must trust the state’s evidence
@@rita_TMThere is client attorney privileges which means that a attorney cannot be called to testify against their client. So the State would not be able to call him maybe the defense. And the defense could not do that because Ntanzi 1st claimed to never ever known Mjiyako. But there is court records that he represented & won 2 previous cases for him & this was their 3rd encounter. A criminal defense lawyer would also never want to testify in these cases cause who in their right mind will hire him & then the next day he is testifying against them. There is loopholes in our law in this instance.
@@beewest5704legal professional priviledge only exists if the appointment is legal. There was ni legal appointment between Mjiyakho and Ntanzi therefore there was no privilege.
@@beewest5704 that is why I said the state was supposed to show paper trail evidence that Mjiyako was hired by Ntanzi or appointed by legal aid, But this Mjiyako like Mngomezulu said is just a fictitious person. Also, they failed to tell us the day when Ntanzi said he wanted a lawyer because allegedly when he was giving the 1st confession he said he didn’t need legal representation when they were "telling him his right to a lawyer" yet they can't tell us when he said "NOW I NEED A LEGAL REP" this alone would be some evidence that Mjiyako was hired by the accused. I remember a video of the 5 men in court for the 1st time being asked if they needed lawyers and they said yes... but that was after the so called confessions, so make it make sense.
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We don't listen to RU-vid bias podcasts analysts but we pay attention to details and facts presented in the court room and not podcasts. In Baloyi and Gininda we trust
The judge is clever he said its a ruling not a judgement,so if they arrest Kelly then it will be interesting cos she will say she doesn't know the accused that means they don't have a case but jf she knows them then she is the mastermind
@@thabisokutumela2991 The judge said it's a ruling not a judgement so there might be a turn of events because they have to hear the side of the so called mastermind as to how does she know the accused,if she admits to knowing them then she's going down and if she denys then she has to bring substantial proof that she has or had no connection with the accused
Already the state has said there were at least telephonic conversations between one of the accussed and Kelly at least on two occasions and to the best of my recollection this was not challenged in the cross-examination. E.g., one could have easily said I once met this beautiful lady who told me she was called Cathy and all that I did was to propose love to her but to my suprise she claimed not to have known me when I did a follow up. It therefore means that Cathy gave me a wrong number that I now understand in court that it belongs to Kelly
@@lesegokgotlhang6434 Yes i do recall that evidence by the cellphone analyst,we all have to wait and hear what she will say in court should she be called and now that the confessions have been admitted it means the mastermind needs to be arrested,so if she is arrested and linked deep in tho the case she will protect herself and tell the truth,cos moslty the sentence imposed for murder in the high court is life imprisonment
@@lesegokgotlhang6434 Me and you should follow the case cos there's a lot of confusion around the case,dna found on the hat doesn't match any of the accused,swaps taken on the door handles don't match any of the accused,two intruders went into the house but we have five people in the dock,now we have confessions that implicate Kelly so its a whole lot of drama or circus
@@LeevyMessiah6848but he is doing too much he also exaggerates what the accused say so it seems like their evidence is absurd. He said Ntanzi said he hadn’t bathed for 6 weeks which wasn’t true he said 8 days… this is distasteful for a judge
so the judge accept that they are no statements before him and those 'documents' are not admissible in the proceedings? please balance me if you have better understanding..
Ratha l see what you doing 😅...a very clever judge... you want the mastermind behind all this and we all know that she is going to sing another tune 😂😂😂😂😂hence you said it's not final judgement but a ruling which you can it at anytime.....l see you 😊
Lapho l doubt 100%....if mastermind was really Mandisa this case woul have been long done..... And the cleaning of the scene wouldn't happened Remember DNA kicked this guys out. How does the involvement of longwe and chicoo
Chesa Mpama judge chesa. *Case docket 375 loading....... Ladies relax ok. I know majority of you found Ntanzi charming. Well y'all can visit him in prison
We Dont Say Advocates Musr Stand For The Accused but Nor To The Extemd Of Wanting The Law To Prevail and Delaying The Process Unnesessarily just Because You Are Paid
Now the guy must become a state witness and tell the country that he was sent by the wife of Senzo to do the job,azikhale. Everybody here seems to be interested to see Kelly Khumalo and not a single person suspects the wife could be involved on this killing.
Our father who heart in heavy 🙏🙏 as we belongs as your son please help us we are in trouble because of this judicial system our justice have eyes it unbelievable how this case ended today I was have hope but today I'm very disappointed 🤦😴😭😭😭😭😭
I don’t think so. Does it ever cross your mind why the defence refused for the recording of confersion to be played in four? That would have proved their point
You claim to want justice for Senzo, but can't accept the court's ruling because you want an outcome determined by social media hype. Stop listening to those two mamparas Clearance and Elton.
@Qotha It means nothing. He has confessed to killing Senzo and despite the desperate attempt to change his testimony, the confession has been admitted and his fate is sealed.
The big mistakes is prosecutor is chicco half brother he protected the people in the house and his nephew That why Kelly called chicco he had connections with high-profile asp she didn't to call police or ambulance but let's pray for Meyiwas family for justice
We saw this coming the writing was always on the wall it aint a surprise coz this ruling was long done even before it was appointed by ramaphosa,its attitude long showed.What a wasted day,back to main trial tomorrow 🤮🤮
So that should mean Kelly must come in then to be accused no 6 or 1, but the arguments were clear these guys will be acquitted when they appeal ratha has overlooked too many things here to come with that ruling
This is a travesty of justice. This one of reasons why I left South Africa, and the plan is to never return. I feel for Ntanzi. May the Gods be with him.
@@SamukeloMaduna I will definitely do that because there is learned people here who know how to construct grammatically correct sentences, respect the rule of law. Additionally, there is a justice system that is not bogus, corrupt, dishonest, and deceitful. People here pride themselves in what they do and the quality of work and service they deliver.
It couldn't have been a co-incidence that all confessions were made under duress, it would seem that the accused were making just bare denials. They are just making a turn-about after realizing the detriment this would have in them being found guilty or not at the end. Its a scheme to do damage control on the defense part.
This judge is predictable , I mean, we all knew that he already made his mind about the admissibility of those confessions. Not surprised at all by his rulling.
My comment:The police,the prosecutor and the judge all protect Kelly?What do they have to gain in their protection of Kelly?Does Kelly have so much influence that even a judge sides with her?I don't know.
