Serenaya Reacts to "Limit Maximum - Obvious Cheater Fakes Blind Progression in FFXIV" by SimonFawkes 

That dude must be real fun to hang around huh. Imagine even caring lol

usually, there is a warning "transcend your limit" but if you talking on A12 then it is just a trial and error because it's the first time Senix introduce boss require tank lb3 to survive in Normal mode. (T12 is actually the first but nobody doing it because it is too damn hard for casual raider)

@@Sammysnows it wasnt about the tank lb tho, the whole "dont lb" thing was about how WoL will use hallowed ground if you use a dps lb on him and he isnt casting/has not already used HG

@@HopSkipandaRump Ohh that part now it make sense, my mind somehow went to the ultimate crossover part

I'm pretty sure I was in his chat at the time and he told chat he had done that fight before. Or maybe it was E1S. Either way, he did say he did the earlier fights already. I wasn't paying too much attention so I could be misremembering.

@@shadowace940 You are an idiot or a liar. Which one do you prefer, I do not mind either one.

Guides are especially encouraged if you're a tank/healer.

He did it for the content and to try to show people that he is a super smart raid leader.

Like he can’t just let his teammate have a win he’s gotta prove he understood it too.

You care way too much abou others

@@xanione____2354 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That bothered me the most. He even tried cornering his own teammates when they understood mechanics that had appeared in other content (tethers).

Which is what made me appreciate Scripe a hundredfold more as a leader. He played a backseat role (BLM), did his job and let the team do their job. Roger would do callouts because he was good at callouts and whoever had mechanics input would come forward with it.

echo is back, but sadly they are not streaming their group 1st clear because half of the group (iirc meeres,tobo, and zhatsi) cleared them on PF with rando but there's panda normal together P.S : they are looking for dedicated crafter who can pentameld for their WFR if you interested

truuu

It wasn't Echo. I mean, it might've been part of it but this behavior started after their terrible night in E2s (very very early on). He felt humiliated by how slow the entire team was and his attitude towards his team (especially his healers) spoke volumes about what he was about to do.

One of the only times you actually do that is in WoD so yeah, unless he had knowledge about that without firsthand doing it, it's odd.

I've been playing since stormblood and i did not know you can slow down the cloud lmao.

@@TheRealLink They have all played the game before, this wasn't their first time playing 14, there's no reason to think that they wouldn't have gotten cloud of darkness in the roulette before. I've watched Max do WF races many times before, he does pick shit up pretty fast. But there are some things that are kinda shady. Honestly I think he was just using Cactbot vs looking at a guide.

what a profoundly stupid comment lol... the guy lives and breathes wow, remembering a fight from a decade ago isn't that crazy for anyone with a normal functioning brain

dam u mad

@@neopolitaneagle212 2 weeks late but enjoy your r/whoosh

@@wowitsfrostygames155 o i know just doing this shit for fun

@@neopolitaneagle212 mmm makes sense

Lmao 🤣 xdddd

Does he lies often to his audience? Tell more.

...or he's played wow forever with that UI and he prefers it, irrespective of what other people think.

@@tomahawklegend Nope its pretty clear he did it to irk everyone, he made a point to tell ppl so at every opportunity he had. His UI also looked nothing like a WoW one, it looked like a carnival lol. Even Sfia was somewhat uncomfortable with the lengths he was going to mod everything in the game after awhile. Do you think it is normal for someone to join a new game he knows disallows addons and the community has a very anti addon mindset (for the most part) then instantly go into contact with the addon developers just so he could use as many as possible and help develop new ones without even trying to use the default settings first ? None of the Echo ppl even bothered wasting 1 second with addons lol.

@@DakonBlackblade2 I mean personally I like the look of his UI just because it's similar to ElvUI in WoW. Having tried out FF for a while myself I've find the playerbase to be very aggressive about people doing things differently and this seems to be one of those cases.

@@tomahawklegend def. ui settings are crazy detailed. You can do basically any layout with that and ui macros. The only thing you can't change is the default ui skin.

@@DakonBlackblade2 leave addons out of it, that's a pretty cooked take. Do you think sfia and co isn't using XIVAlexander and a VPN to gain an advantage? Addons don't make you a god they just allow you to customise how you get the information the game is giving you in a preferable manner. If you want to use some shit UI with horrible textures and horrible party frames then nobody is stopping you, but you cant shit on players that want to have a clean looking UI. Now if they bring a DBM like addon into this game then we can discuss this again as that is giving you an advantage, which then means everyone needs to start using it which then means the developers need to balance mechanics around it. But customising your debuffs to look how you want them to look and position where you want them isn't going to make you a god. Its just preference.

Well my intention was not to call out directly or make it seem like I have some personal grudge. I don't dislike Max objectively, I don't even know the guy and stream personalities are not necessarily who they actually are, so my judgement of him (as mentioned in the video) is limited to this incident alone and not indicative of how I feel about him as a person. I absolutely disagree with how he went about this and I hope he'll do better in the future, but I don't think a slip-up like this means that he is a bad person on the whole, though I realise those that have known about him longer have a different view and that's fine. However yes, I do say how I feel and I do come at things from my honest perspective. I'm not really bothered by people disagreeing with me, in fact I actively encourage discussion because I think it's healthy to be upfront and to not hide.

I called him for it and the FFxiv savage raiders blacklisted me for it

@@MrAngryMonkey100 Why do ff14 raiders kiss max's ass?

@@PCMRvsconsole because he can get away with things that the rest of the community is not allowed to do...

@@PCMRvsconsole didn't many of them reacted to his "blind progress"?

He already said he'd copy whoever was ahead of him

@@cainstuart2681 which is sus if you think about it, I mean all his talk about blind progression and "no backseating/mentoring" then straight up stating that he's just gonna copy anyone ahead of them

What does he gain from faking it though? Nothing. I don’t see any reason why he would fake it. And he only said he was blind progressing the eden raids.

@@flarierza33 ego

@@flarierza33 ask tourself, what was his reason for blind prog in the first place? why emphasize so much on the importance of blind prog only to openly admit afterward that he won't be blind progging going forward. heck, why do any of us blind prog

I think there are plenty of other conclusions to draw.

I wonder if you or anyone else could answer; in hindsight was he as intelligent on WOW too or was he able to pull the same trick but without being caught?

@@yabiyabi His guild was consistently in the running for world first and took home the first US title in I think 8 years. What are you meaning to say? Have you listened to him speak about WoW or just came here to trash him?

@@yabiyabi I think its important to note that WoW doesnt have an equivalent to “blind raiding” as FF does

@@nathana5718 I see.! That is so strange to read ^^;

Wtf? You good?

@@xanione____2354 Yeah? I mean, i only stated the truth.

@@duo1666 but why do you care tho? Why does Max watching guides in a fucking video game makes you so mad, you being general like this comment section

@@xanione____2354 Because Max himself made it important, dumb Max shill.

@@xanione____2354 Im not mad, i dont even know who that idiot is nor do i care about him. But its clear he disappointed a shit ton of people who were told they would get a specific experience, were excited for said experience, and were completely denied that experience because the person straight up lied.

one does not simply write "dont @ me" xD

I watched him 1 day doing Shiva and saw the uptime kb mirrors and said "nope, that's BS"

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I still think even that has 1% chance of being genuine reaction. No other boss casts limit break and has LBs are part of their cast, so it is very unlikely, but still possible, that he guessed may be something will happen if LB is used on the boss. However, the sword triangle attack is actually indefensible. He couldn't possibly know unless he watched a guide that 1. sword will be moving, 2. there will be multiple swords (which in normal there wasn't), and 3. there will be a safespot. Even the fastest strategist needs to see the sword create at least 2 sides of the triangle to know that you need to be outside of it.

@@Lilybellmusic also my thing with that mechanic is knowing to stand outside instead of inside. It could go either way if you are blindly doing it.

but that mechanic only shows up in WOD 24 man..How would he know that E9S mechanic if he didn't run the alliance raid?

@@MrAngryMonkey100 They've all played the game before, no reason to think they wouldn't have done cloud of darkness at one point or another while leveling and doing roulettes.

I just didn't know, man, and despite everyone saying it I wanted to see it for myself. I hadn't watched much or seen the clips as I said. I try and be reasonable wherever possible but I just couldn't by the end. Way, way too convenient sadly.

@@Serenaya oh I know how you feel, i was skeptical and keeping an eye out too, but as I watched it was just impossible after a point. Admittedly, for me I caught on to something not being right cause when I tried this tier, I was still legally blind and thus really had to learn the pug straits, so alarm bells kinds started sounding when I saw those same strays pop up... An no I'm not even going to pretend I'm good enough to do this myself, I failed to prog farther than e10s and straight up passed on SoS.

You should do SoS Ex one day. Very cool fight, easily the best extreme of the whole expansion in my opinion!

@@Serenaya admittedly after my last trip to the optician, turns out playing FF14 since I started at shadowbringers' launch and actively trying to raid actually fixed what was wrong with my eyes... And my optician has mandated I need to clear the next savage when that comes out to see how much of an improvement has been made... Which is going to be a pain cause all the Light DC statics want at minimum e12s clears or ultimate clears... So that's gonna be a whole thing on of itself. 😭 But lord knows once I've gotten endwalker done first thing I'm doing is making a of for SoS cause, yeah, why not.

Wow, that's quite something! Fellow Light gamer too, bonus points! Best of luck, friend.

For him they were just tools he could use to jerk off his ego unfortunately.

Why did you even bother going back to Max's chat after you knew he cheated? You were going to expose him in his chat?

​@@johnnyhoang7388 In the beginning i was actually excited to watch max and his group prog. But the more i watched, the more i questioned. It was from how quickly Max and the ninja in his group, Seralene(sp?), would figure mechanics out after seeing it once or twice. And not simple mechanics, but some of the complex one, in addition to the ones mentioned in this vid. They would know details of the mechs that they havent even seen in full but was so sure that "it has to be that, i bet thats how it works". But even up to that point, it was still speculation on my part. Even when i mentioned it in Scripe's chat (What i said was a statement that compared how much more genuine Echo's blind progs felt compared to Max's group), it was still a statement of speculation. I didnt know for sure, but Max's groups just felt suspicious. But that comparison and speculation in another person's twitch chat was still enough to trigger Max's to ban me his. Its okay because by that point i wasnt even watching Max anymore. I dont really care to watch him or his group. Like others have said before, he is very elitist and has an ego. He wants everyone to remember he is a WFR level WoW raider, stating it in his streams every chance he can to justify why he is so 1k IQ big brain. Its just too cringe to watch anymore. But thats just my opinion. If others like his stream, well, thats good on them.

Same, but I mentioned the vid in no way hostile manner ln Preach's chat and I got banned from Max's chat, also denied my appeal. The mods are the worst copium nutjobs.

Funnily enough they had a 9th person watching other streamers to take their strats. Also there was no "hold up hold up" from Max in Pandemonium funnily enough.

@@Salt_Mage ya i saw that .. it was so cringe .. i dont get it why would anyone want to be a 9th on the first week?? and streaming it too lmao

@@laughingoctopus785 TPS also had a 9th man. Let's not pretend that's weird. The weird thing is using the 9th to look up other people's strats when you've previously insisted that the fun part is working out mechanics.

@@XCC23 comparing TPS to these guys lol chill .. as much as i dont agree with some of sifa or sindalf takes but they are still pretty good at the game .. max is pretty average and he is already past the point of being new to the game

just checked his logs and i take back what i said about him being average he is way worse than average

when you set rules for yourself and your team and you break the rules that is 100% cheating. I don't know where you guys get your concept of cheating.

You can cheat in multiple ways, depending on the context. In this case, lying about this specific element IS cheating. By definition. Let me paste an example from my other comment: If I announce I'm doing some "eat only one egg a day and gain 20 pounds in a month" challenge and then I gorge myself at McDonald's everyday, wouldn't "cheating" be an appropriate term to use? I cheated, I did thing x that was forbidden to do by the rules set by whoever (in this case, me). This is the same thing. Would you not call me eating at mcdonalds cheating in the challenge above? I know you're not saying it isn't, but I see zero need to ponder over the usage of the term or muse about it being clickbait etc. It's a very simple case of cheating, it's not some complex take full of nuance. It's normal to call it cheating.

good lord imagine giving a shit about who does and doesn't comment on this

I imagine it was to gain a small mental edge over Echo. For example say Echo spent 8 hours figuring out a boss and then they see Liquid do it in 45 minutes.

Yeah, I was thinking it's either to make FFXIV look super easy compared to WoW, that a WoW raider could figure stuff out in a pull or two and clear the fights in record time, or that they wanted to shit on Echo and look like the superior team, like 'look how long it took Echo, we're so much better we found this out in literally one pull' Or that Max needs to feed his ego so badly that he just does it for himself so people think he's the literal best raider ever, meanwhile what would he be without plugins and a team of analysts and programmers.

off topic, but I see what you did there

It is wrong to make a claim you are doing blind prog then you look at a guide. IMO you make a public statement as Maxx did and then reneged on the said statement. A person with integrity would follow through after making that statement. and as the video proves Maxx has no integrity or the care of the 7 other people's experiences he has ruined to fuel his ego (which is overinflated)

but it's ok because he is a "savage raider" he can say and do no wrong...

I hate to break it to you but the hype around world first races on this game is only going to grow now that it's gained so much more attention. The upcoming savage tier for example is probably going to be the most popular one yet. It's a good thing considering that raiding needs more attention if there's ever going to be more raid content here, if such a possibility were to exist.

@@Serenaya oh there will be hype, sure. That's not what I thought about. The game is not made with the same mindset as WoW. Everything is tested on the PTR there. It's basically a race about who can spend more gold on resources on the live servers. So boosting for resource is absolutely accepted there even by blizzard. And now it's a common thing between casual players too. Who wouldn't do it if that's what they see from the top players? You can pay irl money for gold in the store and buy a full clear for anything. And there's the other thing with MDI, the failed e-sport attempt by the company. Blizzard tried to monetize the shit out of the hype around pve and it's a big part why the game is in the current state. That's why I don't care much about the world first race hype. Yoshi P can do whatever the fuck he wants with the game and it's brilliant so far but realistically SE can easily fuck it up anytime (it wouldn't be the first time for the company) once they see the opportunity to milk the growing playerbase. tldr, I don't want to see ffxiv slowly turning into WoW and that's why I'm so sceptical about the top 1% wow refugees and world first races. :D

@@Serenaya it's not releated to the world first race at all but the CEO of SE just announced that the company will focus on the NFT and blockchain gaming trend and it's a major red flag for ffxiv. The community is not happy. I told you, SE can fuck it up anytime with shitty monetization plans . And it's already happening. :D

Your feedback is noted, thank you! Sadly what goes in head comes out of mouth a lot of the time. It's tripped me up a few times! Will keep it in mind once I'm back to reacting to stuff. Currently Endwalker has me busy with long streams that don't really have room for vid watching, for now. Soon(tm)

@@Serenaya Please take it not too negative, you are wholesome for wanting to give people benefit of the doubt. I too, was at the same mindset. I even worried the person who made the video would be labelled as 'jealous', but it was evidently not true. That said, enjoy your endwalker expansion, I am currently also busy with it. enjoying it and taking my time of the world hehe

I appreciated the commentary pauses honestly. If i had wanted to watch the original video i would've just done so

@@spoopy1985 Oh that's not the thing. But I get the point

Honestly, Seren saying something then being tripped up instantly after resuming the video is kind of rare but so so funny when it happens. Top tier content.

This would imply he did WoD in the first place.

he never did wod

Lying is supposed to have negative effect on people's opinion on you. Normal social behavior working properly is all.

@@crazagres1839 oh big agree, just to clarify I meant Limit Maximum looking up guides and claiming to be blind opens up too much drama. The original video is just one of the natural consequences of why happened.

oh nevermind i was huffing cope

Unfortunately it's shaved off now. It'll be back don't worry.

i don't know about on WoW but i do agree on FFXIV, they are clearly not on same level. the fact that echo can go blind,Craft their own Strat, and execute everything by themselve while Max snipe every strat from other team,literaly hold their prog so someone can write a guide for him, and having 9th person and somehow Echo were ahead on kill until Last boss is actually insane

Lol, you're clearly just super butthurt about this. You have 0 idea what you're talking about in the race to world first. Limit starts first, which means they get to pretty much every boss first, which means that they're the ones adjusting strats from the PTR, not Echo. This means Echo can just hard copy their strats/adjustments for any boss that causes issues and save time. Also, since Limit gets to a boss first, if that boss is bugged/overtuned (there's usually always one or two bosses that need to be adjusted in some way) they literally have to waste time on it while all the other guilds catch up. Secondly, since Limit have been actually able to day raid they've done exceptionally well in WoW. They always branded themselves as hardcore guild, but it really wasn't until like 4-5 tiers ago that they even had a legitimate shot to compete with Method/Echo since they literally could not raid the same # of hours as them to finish out the first week. For example, the first tier of the last expansion, they literally couldn't pull the final boss, that they had down to sub 1%, because they were missing key players on the last day of progress. The only time the server reset *ever* favors Limit would be if the raid is incredibly easy/short, which *never* happens anymore. OR if the end boss of the tier cannot be killed with week 1 gear, and requires a reclear to kill. This has also not been the case for a LOOONG time. Every end boss is essentially killable week one. Also, Limit lost the most recent race because they were down 2 entire guild wide ilvls to Echo on a boss they essentially had to sub 1% HP remaining. It's absolutely their fault because they didn't run as many splits as Echo did in preparation, but if they had those ilvls the DPS check for the final boss would have been infinitely easier for them to hit and I can't see a possible world where they don't kill the boss first. TLDR: Echo and Limit are both incredible guilds and to say either is 'not on the same level' as the other is completely absurd.

@@ideliv3r673 wrong xD .. they mostly struggle on DPS checks and how to get more gear for the raiders.. the one day is a huge advantage and most hard mechanics are 99% on the last two bosses in the wow raids.. despite this advantage NA is almost always losing the race .. and even if there was an issue with a boss , usually happen, it would just balance the scales a bit .. one day advantage is always better no matter how much copium you inhale .... TLDR: limit = JG BEANSWORTH LMAO

You actually said nothing of value there aside from "I'm right you're wrong". You didn't even mention anything that would be a counterpoint to anything I said, lol. Copium? I prefer watching Naow and Gingi, but that doesn't change the fact that Limit has just been playing better as a complete guild in most of the more recent tiers.

@@ideliv3r673 if it doesnt matter switch the one day around and lets see how NA reacts quit ur bs

IT's both.

While I agree that he didn't do this blind. This is a bad take. Max and his guys in his guild write the scripts for the add-ons used during those fights. Those all come from the world first scene