"Serving at bethel let me peek behind the curtain" - A conversation with William Morgan

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Ex-bethelite William Morgan, who blew the whistle on the Jehovah's Witness organization's past illicit dumping of toxic waste, returns to the channel to discuss how his revealing time at the Wallkill facility helped expedite his exit from the organization.
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@jrow0524 Год назад

"You abandoned your family for a magazine company that you won't even do basic research on." That was the most powerful statement out of this entire interview for me.

@lisajane4330 Год назад

Love that too

@plokoon100 10 месяцев назад

Sounds like a personal problem

@majafleur9646 8 месяцев назад

"A magazine company"... WOW.

@Chris-zh1ff 6 месяцев назад

Jehovah name endures forever cxx

@vestland3877 2 часа назад

@@Chris-zh1ff did you enjoy trowing your friends under the bus?

@alans.wendelschafer6588 Год назад

When I was in Scappoose Congregation, there was a guy who had pioneered for an entire year so he can go to Bethel. He wanted to try it for a month. Just one month. Got back from bethel a month later and he never went to another meeting and had nothing to do with the religion ever again. I think he saw how the sausage was made. It's something you can't unsee.

@wendyh2708 Год назад

Your sausage analogy is perfect. Well said.

@alans.wendelschafer6588 Год назад

@@lorilee1931 He did this in 2007. So perhaps things were different. It's just what I saw happen. He didn't bother to say why he quit or anything. He went for a month, got back, then vanished.

@alans.wendelschafer6588 Год назад

@@wendyh2708 I wish I could take credit for it, but I think I hear it on ExJW Critical Thinker.

@ornerydyke Год назад

I love the way you put that!

@Broknchainz Год назад

@@lorilee1931there used to be (might still be) temporary bethelites who only serve for weeks or months.

@dennisconstantine624 Год назад

The difference in personality and happiness is obvious when people escape from this controlling cult.

@vincentkhumalo7713 Год назад

It is encouraging to see people who have left still doing fine and enjoying Paradise on earth now......Keep up the good work Lloyd

@omnilife6660 Год назад

so much better financially after. they mostly do soft shunning without telling you nothing

@vincentkhumalo7713 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 I will wait until the day you wake up and listen to the type of tune you'll sing......for now enjoy your stay in the JW cult, as is there is a shooting in the Kingdom Hall in Germany my suspicion is one fellow witness could not take the abuse and control of the Watchtower anymore

@vincentkhumalo7713 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 don't be bitter Alex do your research through the Watchtower publications from Russell and Nelson Barber (The Seven Adventist) and all the predictions and dates they came up with regarding the end of the world which never materialized it's fast approaching 150 years and counting...Now Watchtower is banning disfellowshipping in Norway purely to gain Norway's Government subsidies switching and changing what about the overlapping generation??? Alex read your publications properly hopefully one day you'll wake up.

@blondequijote Год назад

@alexshatner3907 Austin 4:6-8 "When they say "The PropheTranslator is amking stuff up!" ask, thrm "Could someone making stuff up write something so quotable?" No matter their objections, this sounds like literal God-tier logic to Good Wizard. Can one make an argument from quotability? The way some people drop names with numbers separated by colons sure does make it look more official. "

@blondequijote Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 don't let ant-magic religious propaganda ruin all ur chances at exploring the magic of reality. Also, if you accept Harry Potter's victory over Voldemort as payment of the tuition for all muggles who read and believe, you can go to Hogwarts in the magical world where it's real, along with Good Wizard the magical entity inspiring me.

@martinholt4939 Год назад

As an ex JW, who was born into the religion, and pressure into baptism by 14 and subsequently being disfellowshipped bye the age of 15, your channel and the truth hurts has been immensely therapeutic for me. Please continue your work, I hope you realize how many people are helping

@erikallder8199 Год назад

As someone who joined the Navy after leaving the JWs I can say that they are indeed very similar high-control environments, although in many ways I found life in the military to be easier/better. After being raised in the cult with a strict disciplinarian elder for a father I actually didn't have any trouble at all acclimating during basic training (which was the most intensive and high-control phase of my military career).

@spikey01234 Год назад

Was he violent toward you?

@trevorariza9550 Год назад

You were able to be friends with who ever during your service. It’s no where near the same thing. You could have a beard if you choose……I could go on for hours

@aundavioncook2131 8 месяцев назад

most likely, their teachings praise discipline.

@57koop Год назад

Great interview Lloyd and Billy Lloyd he said he started studying at the age of 13 with his family. I am the elder that studied with him and his family and I knew right from the beginning that Billy at the age of 13 was a very good critical thinker we’ve touched based in the past month or so we’ve both are out and him and I are out for the exact same reasons. It’s simple to all JW’s if you do your research on this organization, you will know the truth! And the truth will set you free. Both Billy and I and many others are now free.

@motorway2roswell Год назад

This is great news that you both were able to escape! Maybe you can also interview with Lloyd? That would be awesome

@spikey01234 Год назад

I guess I'm confused and in limbo because I do believe many of the teachings. I feel like they do know they Bible better than most people. It just saddens me that this is just like other religions.

@thinknblue2295 Год назад

@@spikey01234 they have some basic teachings that i would agree follow the bible better than some groups but most of their doctrine is their ideas forced in to scriptures that they cherry pick. they are very educated on the bible with their own doctrine if that makes sense

@desireewelvaert494 Год назад

True words. I am using g my free time away from that religion, to read my Bible and compare it to the J.W. teachings. They called me apostate. I hadn't done anything . Once I was told about my disfellowshippi g....no 3 3lder judicial meeting! 😮 I started reading their literature I had...trying to figure out how they could continue to say ' oops' .once again, we made a mistake of understanding. We had you preach an untruth. The light got better, and now we understand the Scriptures in new light. Hundreds of times. Where did those hu dress of understanding come from? Not from God who cannot lie. God wouldn't have His people preach and teach falsehoods. So, Thank u you for your exposing the false religion. Only an ex Witness could understand!

@beautyRest1 Год назад

You two should come together and have Lloyd interview you both!

@ricardorodriguez-ci2ze Год назад

People don’t know the trauma you go through after leaving the organization. I feel his pain. I’m going through it for the past 4 years. I’m so impressed how he build a new life, I’m struggling so bad finding friends and a family

@ever7672 Год назад

It gets better. Your best days are ahead

@dantoinettetaylor1663 Год назад

It does get better. Counselling or therapy is a good start if you can afford the time and money for a few hours

@slovenkas7733 Год назад

Hang in there! You'll find your tribe, I promise.

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

My love to you my friend! I had a soft shunning when I was young and returned myself for my family! Got out of an abusive marriage and it's been almost 12 years without my family, but I'm happy to say that I'm ok it still pains me to have this separation of my family sometimes but, I wouldn't change my life I have now for nothing. Time does help hang in!

@cheyennerogers1803 Год назад

Therapy was the first step I made for 6 months when I decided to leave… but learning more about and get in touch with myself has helped me tremendously find peace and moved me towards having confidence in every aspect of life and decision I’ve made. Love > Fear is real. Begin the journey of discovering YOU. You’re free

@daleisatimpactms Год назад

Awesome, Not getting to my family, have to get through me first. Unkind and unchristian policies. Out for 15 years, in for 40. Couldnt be happier. Good comments William.

@andyphuong3102 Год назад

Been 4 years since I left studying with Jw for 2 years… there’s not a day where i don’t miss being apart of the cult, I do miss some of the people but I’m glad to be out and happy with my life and with the people of the world. Amazing content Lloyd I’m glad your still making videos on this organization.

@firdoshvirjee3592 Год назад

Don't listen to this money minded racist. I don't believe a word he says

@Katiegirlluv 2 месяца назад

There are some good people! It's so hard

@5star64 Год назад

The only thing I don’t like is when people call what JW’s do a bible study. It’s not a bible study. It’s a Watchtower book study. Where you are indoctrinated into JW beliefs. You read a scripted paragraph in a Watchtower magazine or book. Then a scripted question that takes you back to the scripted paragraph. Where you give the answer that the Jehovah’s Witnesses want you to give. A bible study is a verse by verse chapter by chapter reading of the Bible . With an open discussion at the end of it. What the Jehovah’s Witnesses call a bible study is a brainwashing and indoctrination into there deluded beliefs.

@gregorydensford7185 Год назад

Absolutely. I've always maintained that.

@hotandsoursoup2664 Год назад

I am struggling to find a good Bible that is not printed by WBTS or changed to match todays wokeness

@gregorydensford7185 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 the "deceptive teachings" you refer to do not originate with so called apostates. The WTBS literature is the only source of your "deceptive teachings". Deep dive literature that they've published throughout the years. Read about all the failed predictions of the time of the end, the flip flops on religious policies that have ended up in death and pain for many congregants. It's not outside information, my friend. It's all contained in WTBS literature. They are their own worst enemy.

@gregorydensford7185 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 haha. You're so cute. Jehovah isn't even a real name. Look that up. That's history. You're praying using a made up name.

@Abi-F.-Mejia Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 How do Jehovah’s Witnesses earn their salvation? What do they have to do?

@rockpadstudios Год назад

An elder once told me if you want to be disillusioned with the Watchtower "just go to Bethel". I watched this couple get chosen to go to Bethel and they were all smiles. 6 months later they came back for a visit and I noticed 2 things 1. She lost a lot of weight (being over weight is frowned upon, GB excluded) 2. The smiles were gone from their faces and replaced with the fake smile. Try getting chosen to go the Bethel after 35 without a "special skill" was a other thing he told me.

@the3danimationdude770 Год назад

Being inside of the org of the jws is like being a bird trapped in a cage thankfully I am now outside of the cult

@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs Год назад

I was trapped in a cage of sin before knowing the truth. After studying and getting baptised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses I felt free like a bird flying in the sky. I know whats right and I now know what Jehovah God requires from me. Me and my family have never been happy like this.

@tiadiad Год назад

GRAMMAR!!! COMMAS!!!!!! Something?

@nacho7782 Год назад

@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs good for you

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

I'm in agreement with him that the possibility of going back after shunning is non existent! My thoughts have been if you can't accept me now I don't want acceptance if you feel I'm worthy enough! Great way to say it!

@kindforge Год назад

It's killing me that I just commented on one of Lloyd's videos this morning about peeking behind the curtain and this video drops today! 😂Thank you Lloyd and thank you, William for this amazing interview! It's always fascinating to listen to recounted tales of what it is like to again, peek behind the curtain. About the personality change, although it's a bit different since I never went to Bethel, I can personally say that the way that the feelings of bitterness, worthlessness, aimlessness, and anger just... faded away after I left and started to heal - It was so baffling to me. I always remember being told when I was young by my immediate family that I was such an angry person, that if I married, my future husband would leave me. If I had close friends, they'd leave me too. While I realize now that a majority of these comments were emotional/verbal abuse (I definitely attend therapy now 😂), I also realize now just how much happier and free, I feel. If a religion claims to be the "One True Religion", you should never feel or experience the things so many of us have. Bit of a tangent, but thanks again for this video. 😊

@freddyray6805 Год назад

There's quite a few. Lloyd did one with a GB assistant. It was an open air interview, I forgot the name, but if Tibor is gracious he might send you a link...

@kindforge Год назад

@@freddyray6805 😂😂 love it

@bigboithe8th Год назад

Great interview Lloyd. And thank you William for your courage to speak up.

@Apostate_Alexei Год назад

As a young JW whose 2 older brothers had spent time at bethel, I had absolutely no desire to serve there. I could barely stand visiting. I felt like I couldn't be myself while I was there. Exactly how I started to feel as a rank and file member just a short time later.

@stoobpendous Год назад

It wasn't Enjoy Life Forever. It was You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth.

@vinnyrodriguez2699 Год назад

U are correct, but there was a brochure in the 80s that had the Enjoy live forever words in the title. But yes the red book is you can live forever in paradise on earth

@lemongrabloids3103 Год назад

I feel so sad for JWs who wake up and realise how much time was wasted on serving a cult 😢

@justdont2019 Год назад

The lifelong trauma inflicted by this cult is horrific. Praying for this Brother. - 3rd Gen Born In, now Jewish and retired military.

@vincentcross9148 Год назад

Jewish now? Not to be rude but how did that work out? If I may ask?

@hanover2577 Год назад

I’m exmo and now lean toward Judaism as being the one true religion.

@christinesotelo7655 Год назад

Finished watching this excellent interview, and what the interviewee stated is so true that EVERY JW around the WORLD has this awful knowing above their heads that if they leave or get disfellowshipped, THEY LOSE THEIR FAMILIES!! EXACTLY!!

@EmptyPocketsOffRd 10 месяцев назад

As a teenager, I made a worldly decision with cigarettes, and a worldly girl, fornication. I was so foolish with that, just really young. My whole life was the JW organization, family, friends, and everything involved with that lifestyle. In school any of us affiliated as a JW were considered abnormal, not welcome, and not fitting in. After being disfellowshiped, you have to learn where you stand in life. You are now the abnormal one with your loved ones, your friends, congregation, and your school mates. I was told I am dead in Gods eyes. Talk about hopeless emotions. I had a tough time adjusting to shutting off the love I had coursing through me toward my newly estranged family and best friends. I felt they gave up 1 person, I gave up all of them. I have lived many decades without them. The worst was not going to God,. Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit...I accepted the words I was dead in Gods eyes. That changed 16 yrs ago, God saved me from suicide. He promised me friendships unlike any I have experienced before. He has delivered!

@kevinhahn3286 4 месяца назад

Bless you you are a divine treasure loved beyond measure. My wife died as df person . We were known for bieng very loving and supportive .when Tam died they told me she is dead forever. Imagine grief as I miss my sweet wife these monsters tell me this then soft shun me as she was suicidal alcoholic due to her df . She got to know Jesus and was healed and lived amazing life before a surgery neglect caused her death .

@robertc4783 Год назад

At 12:40, William was correct when he referred to the “Live Forever” book. It was the red “You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth” book. “Enjoy Life on Earth Forever” was a brochure.

@tulinfirenze1990 Год назад

It blows me away that people don't know the red book - it was the book that suckered me in and was the MAIN indoctrination book for MANY years!!!

@motorway2roswell Год назад

Yes I also noticed that. Good catch!

@musikgalaxy7737 Год назад

Great interview Lloyd, William is such a correct type, very interesting story. I appreciate, many thanks. And greetings from Germany

@pattycotter6773 Год назад

Great interview. Thank you both

@b.w.7588 Год назад

This was a very good follow-up interview with William Morgan. I certainly hope that we'll see more interviews with other ex-JWs who formerly worked at Bethel facilities being featured in future videos on the LLOYD EVANS channel.

@LoXena Год назад

I had that habit of diluting the message a little bit during the preaching work, because I was ashamed of the actual teachings. I was ashamed of going to someone's home and telling them: "you know what, we are gonna kill everyone that don't follow us and if you get baptized it's for ever, there's no going back, unless you want us to shun you and btw stop dyeing your hair and wearing stylish clothes and come with us to listen to long boring talks all the time" I was aware of the way we were perceived this is why I was trying to make the message smoother.

@catmeow333 Год назад

Here’s the odd thing. . . my brother has been “in” for 52 years. He read the old Finished Mystery series with fascination. Even when 1975 didn’t bring the New System he has remained convinced wt has the truth. He knows all about the history of the org and has weathered the new light. Still there is nothing that shakes his faith. It’s as if his internal logic is programmed.

@mr.atheist8848 Год назад

Probably he's stuck in the denial phase of grief. Because when you're in the cult for decades, it's hard to accept that you've been fooled all along.

@b.w.7588 Год назад

With all those Bethel housekeepers around, Bethel sounds like a prison. Bethel workers are probably scared to do almost anything for fear of somehow going against the rules. You have to worry about what literature you read, what movies, TV shows or online programs you view, what music you listen to. I agree with Lloyd, no wonder the Pillowgate scandal occurred. How are Bethelites supposed to cope with their stress when one is constantly having Big Brother looking over your shoulder making you always worry that you're "doing something wrong"...even when you're abiding by the rules? Many Bethelites probably might cope with such stress through secretly engaging in forbidden, guilt-ridden sexual acts or by drinking outrageous amounts of alcohol, doing things that aren't healthy for them.

@sacboy7080 Год назад

My G ultimate moves in bethel and dating a worldly girl. Top class sir xxx This is the most badass thing I’ve heard

@windshadow2k1 Год назад

Now we know why they taught us not to do independent meditation. We might just put it all together and see past the illusion.

@mike7197 Год назад

His last comment prompted by Lloyd's final question to him I found very well said. "If you want to be a jw, just be a jw, don't think for yourself or do any research, just obey".It puts the entire 'head in the sand' cult mentality of jw's in total perspective.

@KG-wi6ks Год назад

We need a “surviving Jehovah’s Witnesses” documentary…

@ablue7335 Год назад

Thank you for explaining the “soft shunning” exactly! The cloud of disapproval the withdrawing the shaming…I was disfellowshipped twice and many times in between experienced the soft shunning. I have a sort of relationship with active witness parents right now, I am “faded” currently, but as many viewers here know it can change at any time, any talk or local needs could change their attitude and demeanor with us at any moment the other shoe could drop and coldness occur(ultimately now I am building up confidence and self love so it affects me less than it use to, the way they treat me ultimately doesn’t affect me like it used to be soul crushing). Also I appreciate your mentioning the separation from the outside family members that occurs as well, like my grandparents and cousins and aunts and uncles who were all Catholic and I loved them! But when mom converted we started withdrawing from them all pretty severely actually, separating ourselves and losing all my neighbor friends just loss after loss after loss… This interview is great! Only 9 minutes in so far🙏👍❣️

@christinesotelo7655 Год назад

I understand so completely. Hold on and keep moving forward. Thank God for this mature program as support for us. Healing takes time. You’ve been through a brutal experience, all of us former Witnesses have. “This too, shall pass.”

@zippydo2678 Год назад

Thank you for this video. I’ve been out, just stopped going and had moved out in the country. That was about 30 or so years ago. It is so hard to leave the people because they get you to cut off a lot from your unbelieving family and they are your society. But how sad that they really do not love you at all! If you leave, an easy bye bye to you from them. Terribly cruel! They arrogantly look down on unbelievers and talk bad about them. So Godly, right. Even within the organization they are so cruel to each other. Their beliefs have to be forced into your mind by “studying” a twisted version of the Bible beliefs. So sad. I am thankful to God to be free of their version of “the truth” . But I must say it is difficult to trust any ‘religion’ now. I believe in God and Jesus not religion.

@deneseberardesco771 Год назад

Thank you Lloyd for providing a place to share our experiences with others who have walked in our shoes!

Год назад

Wild! I always thought the GB was the “faithful and discreet slave”. When I left I thought it was an awful lot of hubris, that they would award themselves such an honor.

@barbdowns1 Год назад

Great interview! Thanks you guys

@donnavaughn9409 Год назад

I always think of the wayward son that leaves, spend his inheritance on wasteful things, yet his father opened his arms nd was glad to have him come back

@marthabatson5894 Год назад

Keep up the videos Lloyd. You are helping so many to wake up. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

@lianaventer472 4 месяца назад

I am listening to all of these informative videos and podcasts by former JW. My brother, age 54, joined the JW about 4 years ago. My reason for listening to everything is to plant informative seeds to him so that he can question his current believes. Thank you so much for what you do.

@chels5174 Год назад

Love hearing these interviews! Glad youre out and thriving

@wendyh2708 Год назад

This was a excellent interview Lloyd. I really enjoyed it.

@slovenkas7733 Год назад

The idea of morning worship makes my skin crawl. It would have even when I was in. Blech

@Yooperskepticz Год назад

The top people, who have access to all of the history, and arcane beliefs that don't add up... do you think they really believe? or are they going along with it because the structure etc suits them?

@victoriaroberts7034 Год назад

Thinking about the PIMI POMI PIMO POMO acronyms is there one for PIMU POMU where the U stands for unsure when you first start to have doubts but haven't quite decided which side of the proverbial fence you are on yet

@320glazeit Год назад

I have seen PIMQ used. Q = questioning.

@kindforge Год назад

I have heard PIMS in a recent video of Lloyd's. S = Skeptical.

@dennisconstantine624 Год назад

@@kindforgeOr POMDA physically out mentally diseased apostate.

@cicelyryan4402 Год назад

PIMQ- Physically In Mentally Questioning

@ericerpelding2348 Год назад

Sounds like he might have read Walter Martin's book, "Jehovah of The Watchtower."

@caronmorgan4100 5 месяцев назад

William, you are a hero. As a former JW whose family has nothing to do with me, I understand how incredibly brave you are. Thank you for having the courage to do the right thing. Great channel, Lloyd. Mind control makes people do terrible things and the leaders of the cult know this and have used it to enrich themselves and destroy the lives of millions.

@karenmoody2763 Год назад

Can you imagine these people being in control in the " new world" .

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

I don't want to be with any of them. Death for eternity is good enough for me I'm free now! They can't accept me why would I want to live forever with them 🥺

@karenmoody2763 Год назад

@@kimberlysanchez5260 Well the thing is those people can not make me believe this is it and people are waiting to be bought back from the grave , energy can only be transformed not destroyed imo and hell no if the GB is in charge it would be a little to much like prison .

@stasacab Год назад

There was a huge garage sale of used CD's and vinyls in my city and I browsed through all of them and they were dull. Imagine, you have all the freedom to choose your own music and you end up listening something dull. So, dull that it could have even passed inspection in Bethel.

@rockpadstudios Год назад

wow - years, I never would have made it that long

@swinnburn Год назад

Close your eyes--now open them- your still sitting in the hall,that talks just finished and the song is about to start!

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

I was in 46 years I still wonder how I made it!

@rockpadstudios Год назад

@@kimberlysanchez5260 it's never to late to reclaim your life. To think that a loving god will destroy us for not believing in the frauds that preach "overlapping generations" isn't any kind of reality. Once you accept JW's don't have the truth, only another form of the "death threat" it gets easier to deal with. I did wake up in the night thinking I was going to be dead forever because of my choice (for years) but it gets easier in time. We should accept the GB after G Jackson's ARC testimony - I think not.

@vincentcross9148 Год назад

Wow house keepers going through their things? Wow! Crazy!

@desertboot9755 Год назад

This is amazing. We grew up with this idea that Bethel was the holiest place. It was a fantasy and unreal. I had never once heard one negative thing about it before leaving.

@nathanbond8165 Год назад

Wow four Dudes in one room yeah I would not have made it the first week I would have been going back home inshane

@ablue7335 Год назад

39 minute mark!!! 🤯‼️☝️ Thank you thank you thank you thank you for this!! Line of reasoning is absolutely brilliant 💯life changing about the Bible! Which I already am not a fan but this is great info I never thought of this was about the Catholic theologians compiling the bible(66 books) in the 5th century.. Allowing “an organization of satan” to do this most important work, why did “god” allow them to compile his most important book, “his word”? Meanwhile where was this line of faithful and discreet slave? Why didn’t they do the compiling?? This is just wonderful! Thank you Lloyd for having this wonderful thinker and truth seeker back on your channel. This is a morsel I will keep in my mind and heart for life🙏🥰💖

@karenhardy9364 Год назад

When I went to visit Bethel in 1996, me and my friend were wearing jeans! They did let us on the tour but just the 2 of us

@ablue7335 Год назад

At the end now!! Chills! Thoroughly fantastic!! From the bottom of my heart, brilliant!👍🙏🥰☝️‼️

@klsawake3446 7 месяцев назад

Excellent interview!! Very thought provoking and spot on!!!

@ttheboytwo Год назад

Great interview! I couldn't stop watching it.

@leyonrivers4247 Год назад

Having seen the turmoil oozing out of the guy you have on your channel ,l hope you are providing links to to some professional help for these poor barstards,birds that have been caged for their life don't fly good when you first free them.

@lisajane4330 Год назад

Great interview, so nice to hear a person with some integrity, that has questioned things & actually left, as he said in the interview it's just easier to stay sometimes. Would love to know if he's marriage survived? or not? & what his wife's experience was also?

@christyamar Год назад

"You abandoned your family for a magazine company!!" Lol!!! And 😢😢😢 stay strong apostates!!

@mr.atheist8848 Год назад

36:50 - So "housekeepers" were basically like Wardens in a jail called Bethel. I remember a comment saying Bethel is like a cult within a cult, now I know it is definitely on point!

@moniquedelaney7958 Год назад

Top work , as usual

@paulkjv4654 Год назад

If you can, read 'JOURNEY TO GOD'S HOUSE' by Brock Talon. An inside story of life at the World Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in the 1980's . Highly recommanded (...by myself )

@Lulu-oi9ue Год назад

I visited bethel few years ago and I was disillusioned. Cold atmosphere and unhappy guide and was just a waste of time. Now I know why.

@Gil3490 18 дней назад

Oh I wish I was disowned. Heck, I should had taken the advice of my schoolmates. They would bully me until they sat with me one day and asked straight up "dude what is up with you?" I said 'I am JW" they went "ooohhhhh dude you have to run away that ain't no life just pack whatever you can and go". Can you imagine that? Go ahead and tell me my odds would not be better.

@amys5029 Год назад

I wonder how they control things like the music you listen to at bethel now? Gone are the days of the CD and now we download apps. Do they go through your phone too?🤔

@nathanbond8165 Год назад

"Once you have eliminated all possible explanation the only one remaining no matter how improbable or fantastic is the correct answer" Albert Einstein

@makesense4once 2 месяца назад

Sherlock Holmes, not albert einstein

@steve3550 4 месяца назад

I was at Bethel in Brooklyn NY..during the 1975 period!..I entered Bethel in 1974,summer..;was there when the Bethel family was invited to dinner at Rockefeller Plaza..and I saw the 'about face message' of the speaker(not a gb member..) ..who ,after dinner,spoke and after a few minutes,he turned the dinner into a 'pep rally'..as he stated:"Even if Armageddon doesn't come,(😮..Whaat!)we're still going to serve Jehovah!..Everyone was caught up in the fervor of that moment, EXCEPT ME!..(I WAS SHOCKED!..Witnesses sold their homes,businesses, etc..because they believed Armageddon was happening in 1975!)*..I'm born again in Christ, a new creation..2Corinthians 5:17-..'..They don't believe the Bible(although they claim to..)they believe the gb..Watchtower Society false doctrine..blessings..❤

@scottymeffz5025 Год назад

Thank you

@nathanbond8165 Год назад

Yeah I bet they tried their best to keep all those young homesick horny young men busy every second of the day it was interesting because no one ever said anything but I remember hearing stories of bethelites suddenly coming back home unexpectedly no one wanted to talk about it and also they wound up getting on disciplinary or disfellowshipped nobody really wanted to talk about why they were asked to leave Bethel as a gay man I have my suspicions LOL

@Theslavedrivers Год назад

Do we get to find out the book he was referring to, at about 9 mins in??

@liz090833 Год назад

The morning worship sounds like a sadistic practice. Approach me before coffee. See what happens. 😂

@nacho7782 Год назад

🤣😂

@harrieelias5756 10 месяцев назад

Thank you so much.

@elsaspennie7475 Год назад

Did his wife leave the organization or did they divorce?

@58jfm Год назад

Note: Catholic Church had 73 books in the bible from the 4th century, not 66. Martin Luther didn't like 1 book because it made his theology difficult, and to get rid of that one, he threw out 7 books, leading to the protestant viewpoint of 66 books.

@rodywithers3536 Год назад

I hear what is said about housekeepers being in a role in which they could “innocently” find incriminating items. I believe it is a major risk factor in Bethelites getting hauled before elders. This being the case, did Bethelites ever get satchels or minisafes that they could lock up - thus keeping their items from prying eyes. So, we’re lockable cases or safes permitted in bedrooms? Just wondering. Appreciate any one whose been at Bethel who knows whether or not lockable cases etc are permitted?

@johnniepegues305 Год назад

How do I help my friend JW. presently we've been friends for 40 years but we never talked about believe I'm afraid that if I mention how I feel about her beliefs it would end our friendship

@mr.atheist8848 Год назад

If he's indoctrinated, it would definitely end your friendship. One way to do it is to ask critical questions like failed predictions, JW abuse cases, frequent doctrine changes disguised as new lights...etc

@Imissyoulou Год назад

What people won't do to get to heaven. Amazed how much personal time and freedom a person will give up for religion.

@58jfm Год назад

The organization goes all the way back to the apostles? Question - Does the faithful and discreet slave lay on hands and use oils when a new elder when needed, like we see in the new testament?

@jaflenbond7854 Год назад

REALITY ON PLANET EARTH - Thousands of years and nothing has changed...planet is still loaded with - 1. arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, liars, deceivers, hypocrites, slanderers, terrorists, criminals, and murderers 2. loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings WORSHIPPERS OF SATAN the DEVIL and BELIEVERS of the LIES of the ANTI-CHRISTS Arrogant, cruel, and merciless Catholics, JWs, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, SDAs, Born Agains, Pentecostals, Hindus, Baptists, fanatics of all Christian and non-Christian Religions who glorify and worship the enemy of the Creator, Satan the Devil and believe the Lies and false teachings of the enemies of Jesus Christ, the anti-Christs Pastors and Leaders of all Religions about "Armageddon", "Hellfire", "Trinity", "rapture", and "reincarnation" are the liars, deceivers, hypocrites, and slanderers on earth who will just die and become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as the consequence of their Satanic arrogance, hatred, mockeries, opposition, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead". WORSHIPPERS of the CREATOR and BELIEVERS of the TRUTHS and RIGHTEOUSNESS of the CHRIST Loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth and believe his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are honest and dependable human beings who can be trusted with anything and are worthy and deserving to be honored and rewarded by the loving, kind, and merciful Creator with Eternal Life and existence without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths, on a safe and and peaceful earth without arrogant, cruel, and merciless persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, hypocrites, terrorists, criminals, and murderers. RESURRECTION of the DEAD Loving, kind, respectful, and submissive human beings who died even thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, King David, the Christ's believers, and many others will be resurrected back to life by Jesus Christ in the Creator's own right time so they can live and exist again on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth as submissive and obedient subjects of the "Kingdom of God" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the Creator and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator and his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth, his Christ.

@kamion53 Год назад

Nice question from whom Russell got his info and belief as they claim there is a direct line from the apostles to the faithfull slave.. probably when asked they will come of with a "secret line" of hidden faithful slave over the centuries, much like Dan Brown's Priority of Sion. And just as believable.

@Apostate_Alexei Год назад

I would have thought Sade's music would be considered too sensual 🤭

@celestesmith3044 Год назад

Good guest 👍

@nathanbond8165 Год назад

You got to get to them when they're young the Buddha taught as a twig is bent so does the tree grow but you have to get to that tree when it's a young sapling not when it's a strong fully grown Oak

@lynngt718 Год назад

58:53 exactly how I feel

@cowspots659 Год назад

I’m so sorry….

@cr-17-f1_l3wx.7 Год назад

Lloyd you hair is back 👍 looking good.

@CJ2678me Год назад

Is there anyway we could chat? Im a inactive JW and have something I feel should be spoken about.

@unite4peace88 Год назад

Thanks!

@LloydEvans Год назад

You're very welcome! Thanks for the kind support of the channel!

@juliewillow7454 Год назад

Bethel sounds like a prison😬

@mr.atheist8848 Год назад

Yes and the housekeepers are Wardens checking your room of suspicious things Big Brother aka Governing Body condemns as forbidden.

@franziskani 5 месяцев назад

A room does not need to be cleaned every day - unless they want to have a pretext to spy on people.

@susanpaine1513 Год назад

Question, do you think the governing body knows it's not the truth?

@KiaPi2012 5 месяцев назад

They start with the good news of th Bible and the Ministry of Jesus Christ cz they know that is appealing once you are hooked the cracks start to show. I recently studied the bible with them and even going in I knew I would never become a full fledged member-( I am too strong minded and independent to confine myself to such rigidity 😅) BUT I really wanted to learn more about God and thought they would help me. I definitelyloved section 1, however by mid Section 2 I already started to see cracks.

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

The issue of the generation of 1914 has come up a lot lately. Isn't it interesting that the witnesses keep changing their minds on issues calling it light getting brighter! And I was just talking about the faithful and discreet slave class. It's so stomach wrenching to see that the changes and people follow them still! My brothers awakening was the 1914 change it really bothered him and discouraged him! It took me a bit longer. When they changed it my son wasn't born yet 1995! Enjoyed the interview!

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 WOW 😳 this kind of reaction to this utube is exactly why things happened in Germany! You don't like what's being said don't listen no one is forcing you to watch your chosing to making it an apostate act yourself! I as a survivor of sexual assault by a brother who got away with it and not interested in you or your religions BS! Retaliation took longer than I ever expected and is the responsibility of your organization whose blood is in their hands for causing the emotional and mental destruction of their own members! Mentally diseased come on the only ones mentally diseased are the ones on the inside condoning horrific actions and staying loyal to the ones they worship the GOVERNING BODY! Worship of Jehovah ended a long time ago you all worship the men who profess to be in charge and demand obedience and loyalty at any cost! Condoning CSA and spousal abuse and the followers blindly stay loyal! The world doesn't even condone such a awful things! That's why there a court system! For the love of God I do not care about the BS that separates family for blind loyalty! Right is right and wrong is wrong! 7 things that Jehovah does hate right? But you blindly serve!!!!!

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 You are a part of the ex Jehovah's Witnesses my friend! You have become an apostate yourself because of this! I wish there was no visible organization so called true religion! This visible originization has serious bloodshed on their hands. Spiritually killing thousands and now literal bloodshed as well! So welcome to apostasy because you are an apostate because of your actions of watching! You are subject to disfellowshiping just for being in this platform! So again welcome to apostasy enjoy the ride!

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 Ok we're done here! Studying religion and not being baptized does not make you an expert on cult terrorism! You do not have the experience to understand all on this platform! All of us have been tortured in one way or the other by the organization you're joining. I feel bad that you are joining a religion that condones horrific crimes to happen. Now you are condoning child sex abuse and it's cover up, spousal abuse, and condoning the mental health crisis in their organization! Lucky you!!! I for one can't be a part of an organization that allowed my assault and protected the perpetrator so he could harm other children. Love in paradise with these people WHY would I want that! To live in a paradise designed for pedophile's! So unfortunately in time after baptism you'll experience what the rest of us have! Education is frowned upon so at least you have some education kiss it goodbye 👋 but educated doesn't make you educated in common sense! The people you are joining don't have common sense! BTW since you are listening to an apostate utube and so called honesty is what's needed for baptism, you might want to be honest with your local elders that you are an apostate because of listening! Jehovah's Witnesses are all about honesty ha

@kimberlysanchez5260 Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 you are right I am unapologetic for the crimes done to me that got me in the position of why I'm out! I don't repent for crimes done to me not crimes I did. So I'm glad to be out of an organization that permits crimes the world doesn't condone. Good luck but get off this platform! Because your baptism will be a lie because as I said your an apostate and soon to be a hypocrite! Good luck!!!

@Abi-F.-Mejia Год назад

@@alexshatner3907 Why do you keep talking to apostates? Aren’t you supposed to shun them?

@flintmusen Год назад

34:58 The housekeeper must really have been digging deep in people’s personal belongings because I can imagine it was things people hid very carefully! But apparently there was no reprimand for snooping

@finnguy9096 Год назад

That doctrine that the faithful slave has been unbroken from the first century sounds very foreign to me. Don't they teach that everything happening after 100 CE was basically an apostate church and that Russell was hand picked by God to reinstate proper spiritual food that had been missing in between. I mean it still has problems with for example the Bible canon being formed without a "slave" present, as you said. But I would think no one "handed the torch" to Russell, is what they think. Of course history shows something different.

@jamesseward9263 5 месяцев назад

New light means that the old light was a dark light, false, a lie, from the father of the lie ! 🤥

@franziskani 5 месяцев назад

46:00 Work abroad in most cases needs work visa / permission and very often it is not easy to get them. Also foreign workers are often exploited, especially if they are not fluent in thelanguage. And in countries with higher crime rates it is good to have someone that knows the local customs. And dangers. Religious orgs are often excempt for the need of getting work permits, provided that the volunteers are not paid and the org guarantees for them (their board and their good behavior. Scientology recruits people from Europe and other nations that would never get a green card).

@victorgervacio5699 Год назад

His arguments are valid, and some of them almost make sense. Like his expectation of an organization that is run by God. But we dont have to speculate on that because we have it in the bible. The Israelites were a nation governed by God and constantly failed and acted in ways that God didn't approve. Why would it be different now?