Session 1: The Influence of Calvinism on The World | Dr. Voddie Baucham | CSW 2024 

If we did that, we would end up with Calvinists and Arminians. The issue is not which men to follow. It's about how to understand and interpret passages. Hard hearts mean some people either will or won't interpret the Bible completely. Ergo Calvinists and Arminians It's unavoidable.

@@Tim.Foster123While I absolutely believe God causes/ordains/determines some things. I don’t believe He causes everything to happen. In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, "People built high places to sacrifice their children (in fire) to foreign gods, and He (God) says, "I did NOT COMMAND this, nor did it enter my mind." Also, Joshua 24:15 has Joshua saying, "CHOOSE you this day whom you will serve." What does the Calvinist say sin is? The Biblical definition of sin is missing the mark. Not doing God's will. How can there be sin if God is CAUSING everything to happen? What is sin if EVERYTHING that happens, ONLY happens because GOD CAUSES it to happen? Also, how can there be obedience if EVERTHING ONLY happens because AGAIN God causes all to happen, even "obedience" to God's commands?

@@Mike-qt7jp Sorry, but the Jeremiah passage works against your theory when you read Lev 26. God predicted/promised everything about their situation 800 years earlier. Not only their idolatry , but even the fact that He would polunish them for it my making them eat their children. Friend .... Is cannibalism a sin in your book? If so, explain to me why God is making them sin by eating their children. So yes, it obviously entered His mind. (If you're listening to Leighton Flowers on that, do yourself a favor and stop. He's a horrible exegete.) Also, please pick up a book and actually study Determinism. The fact that someone makes a choice does not defeat Determinism. Determinism is the claim that our choices are determined for us by causes external to us. Thanks.

@@Mike-qt7jpif you say God isn’t sovereign over everything than He isn’t God Therefore He is sovereign over everything because He is God.

Have you read the Glory of Christ by Owen? He wrote it on his death bed. Also, his entire volume on killing sin is the best I have ever read.

You are welcome!

@LC-jq7vn I have not, however I just completed The Bruised Reed by Sibbs and I absolutely enjoyed it! I’m about to start The Mortifacation of Sin by Owens. I will definitely read what is suggested by you, thanks!

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We will consider that.

If I understand Benediction correct this wouldnt be a time to air it. Now I'm wondering if I know when and how they should be used. Guess I have some studying to do. 🌷🙏🏻​@@africanchristianuniversity785

I have discovered the Arminian fights relentlessly to hold on to his pride, deny his depravity, and reject the truth that they didn't choose God or take part in salvation.

@LC-jq7vn maybe so! I'm a Christian man who doesn't believe in man made labels or titles. If anyone else wants to label themselves after another human, that's their fault. God's word doesn't tell us to do so. Do you believe that God offers every human salvation? Don't be afraid to answer a direct question with a direct answer. God bless you

@@ironleatherwood Yes, God offers every human salvation, but also salvation is of God and from God to whomever He chooses. Why? Because the purpose of creation and humanity is for the glory of the Creator and not vise versa. So the offering of salvation to every human is a condemnation to those who suppress the revelation of God because they are dead in their sins. God's autonomy to do whatever He decrees to do to His own creation is not a contradiction to the mans, creation, to choose his own dead ways, sin, free will of doing what the creature's nature is and not an autonomy to do whatever he wills ie save himself from his deadness... God told Noah to built the ark and for 120 years everyone mocked him for building the ark and from the whole world only 8 were saved, saved by God and for Gods glory. God delivered Israel from Egypt, and only 2 of that generation entered the Promised Land while the rest perished in the desert. God does what God does and who is the creature to tell His creation you are immoral in your ways, read Job... Also, ''Christian'' is a man made label/title that describes the person who follows Christ..... It is not that you don't label yourself, and we who have ''labels'' are ''going against God's Word'' but what is the said label definition and if it is grounded and founded in God's Word... You sound like muslims and mormons who say ''show me the word trinity in the Bible'', unless you are not Trinitarian either....

@@oldschoolcyGod draws, man receives, Gods plan is glorified. Suggest you take off the Calvinist lenses. You are creating a presumptuous philosophical viewpoint that is not strictly biblical.

I'm afraid you're painting with too broad a brush.

Just if God desires all to be saved and the will of God will always prevail otherwise He is not sovereign, if He's not sovereign, He's mot God. If it is God's will for all, everyone to be saved then why are all not saved? Does that not frustrate His sovereign will? Read romans 8 and 9, Ephesians 1, John 6

@@ryantony7743 that's the thing....even though we cannot understand it. It is True...God desires none to be lost. Equally true... God is completely sovereign and will aomplish all His purposes. When the scripture says..Who(God) will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth(1Tim 2.4),. I take the same view as Spurgeon, an outspoken calvinist...that all means all, and we cannot change the meaning of scripture to fit in our system of logic. People split into 2 camps, because we rank the attributes of God...if we see His sovereignty as the pinnacle from which all flows, we'll tend to calvinism. If we see His love from which all flows, we'll tend towards a more freewill view. However, God is not us, and so the 2 can equally work together, both perfectly supreme and satisfying to God. That's where I've come to after years of wresling , and it's ok to let the bible speak for itself, and to not have it worked out. We do the same with eschatology...change the natural meaning of a text to ensure our doctrine/system stays consistent. I'm not against systems, if they help a believer. I believe God has allowed certain things to be hidden to keep us humble.

@hagenjunger2914 fair enough. I personally lean toward the fact that while man is free to choose, our desires have been corrupted so much to the point where our natural desire is not for God. Being dead in our sin (Ephesians 2), not seeking after God (1 Corinthians 2:14) due to our bondage in sin. We love one and hate the other. Therefore, I lean toward the belief that we can't choose to be saved. Salvation is an act of God and God alone. The salvation that is through faith in Christ, by grace, are all gifts from God. We contribute nothing to our salvation, we're dead and corrupted until God Himself gives us life (being born again) now as for who will be saved it really only makes sense to me and gives me peace that only a select few will be saved according to the good pleasure of God's will. He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy and compassion upon whom He will have compassion. God in His sovereignty chose us before the foundations of the world. I'm not saying in all knowing or right lol, this is just the view that gives me peace. God is still loving and merciful in that He provides and has compassion upon those who love Him and those who don't, but saving grace is only for the few that will find the narrow path. One thing I hate is the way that Christians have allowed this debate to bring separation. Like we don't follow Calvin or Paul or Cephus. We follow Christ (1 Corinthians 1). We may not agree on everything and but Christ commands us to love each other so that they world may know that we are His disciples. It's one of the great commandments to love. And to act in love. I'm sure on that we can agree lol. God bless you

@@ryantony7743 agree full heartedly. I was at first horrified by calvinism, but I chose(😀haha) to recognise fruit where there was fruit. I've been in a reformed church a few years now, and love my brothers and sisters there. I even had a dream recently...I was being dragged down a hole screaming "help, I'm becoming a calvinist". My mates thought it was hilarious 😂. At the end of the day, we should be able to tell all people that Christ died for them with confidence. Wesley and Whitefield are the classic examples of opposing views but the same goal. It's a pity people don't get to know each other properly. Most Christians stick in their own camps and learn in an echo chamber. Make friends and fellowship with other believers, get to know them, and learn from them, and see they also have Christ. I know with all I am that I had nothing to do with my salvation. I never contributed to it, I resisted it, I did everything I could not to be saved, yet God alone chose me and brought me in. But I still cannot agree with TULIP. One of the reasons I don't agree is leviticus 16. The day of atonement was a shadow of Christ to come. Israel was the elect nation, and its clear the atonement was for all Israel's sins. Yet not all Israel is Israel. Not all who had their sins placed on the goat were saved. This is the same reason Paul could say "..we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe" ..He truly carried the sins of the world onto the cross, and He has truly saved only those who believe(in the full sense of the word). He has His reasons for granting me faith and mercy, and not my friends at the time. I don't know why, but I'm grateful he did. Good chatting. I'm in South Africa and its midnight 😴.

@@hagenjunger2914Calvinism is satanic.

It's shallow and inaccurate

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I don't know the Taliabo Story but my parents did the same thing.

@@JamesStansell Wow! This is amazing! Do see the Taliabo story.

If one culture tries to read another culture's writings without the aid of learning that culture's history, geography, and politics, they're pretty much guaranteed to get it wrong. When it comes to the Bible, they'll get the major topics right, but they'll get all the minor topics wrong, but think they're right. Or they'll be confused about the hundreds of things they read and don't understand. (I teach theology in Africa. The lionshare of the confusion I run into is because the people don't know or understand the Bible, Hebrew culture, context, etc.)

@@Tim.Foster123 I concur, understanding Hebrew, Greek, the Bible is key to conveying the gospel, the Bible cross culturally. You have first hand experience and can teach us in this regard dear Tim. What is exceptional about the Taliabo Story, is that there was no existing written language for the Taliabo. The missionaries therefore stayed among the people for years to a) learn the culture, b) language and then proceeded to develop a c) written form of language in their own tongue to make available to the people. I can imagine the complexities you mentioned were present in abundance. The supernatural work I see in this is evident for me in the living Word of God, Heb 4:12 and how the gospel that is able to save, was conveyed, regardless of said hurdles. Many believed and some rejected it. You may want to study this case.

@@twanettefourie3131 I'm already familiar with the Taliabo Story. There's a 4-part video on RU-vid for those who missed the film when it first came out. I'm not against such efforts **for the most part**. Changing tracks for a sec... In the circles where we do theological training (namely Chad and DR Congo), translating the Bible into local *tribal* languages is, imho, a lost cause! The people themselves are running in the opposite direction, trying to learn French and English because that's where all the 'good' stuff is: technology, smartphones, laptops, Internet, jobs, Bibles, Bible commentaries, etc. Why would they want to study their own tribal language when there's a better one at the local store and schools? The amount of money spent to translate the Bible into a tribal language (a small staff and 10 years of linguistics = ~$1M ) is much better spent teaching locals French/English. It's pennies on the dollar if you go that route. When they've become competent in the national language of their country, they have access to Bibles of various English translations (ESV, HCSB, NET, NIV, KJV, etc), commentaries, bible dictionaries, etc, etc, etc. The list of Biblical aids in English is nearly limitless. But if we spend millions to get them a Bible in their own tribal language, what do you have to show for it? One bible and 10 people who can barely read it. That's all. Next step is to teach the rest of the tribe how to read their own spoken language. (and why would they want to learn that, when all the cool stuff is in French and English). This concept is entirely lost on Westerners. But it is not lost on locals. It is their daily misery. 3 weeks ago, I had a conversation with a guy in the Congo who told me that God hated Swahili. I asked him why he thought that. He said "Just look around us: all the good things are in French and English. Therefore God hates Swahili." He didn't speak French or English. Only Swahili. And he has no choice but to sit back in relative ignorance and watch the world pass him by. No one is printing Bible commentaries in Swahili. No one is translating Systematic Theology books into Swahili. No one is translating Bible dictionaries into Swahili. And even if you did, his grasp of Swahili is, like most Congolese, marginal at best. But you can buy those books for $10 on eBay all day long in English. Far better to train them on English and French. After all, that's what they themselves want. The exception to this would be if the tribal language is the national language or a majority language. But that's rarely the case these days.

@tyronebunyon7254 the alternative is Armenianism which is heresy.

@@sunnydays8270 again. Wrong but unsurprising. 😊

​@@sunnydays8270Arminianism is not an alternative or the only other option. Calvinism and Arminianism are both false

@@Nathannnnnnnnnn exactly. Both are false.

@@sunnydays8270 if Gods love is not unconditional but conditional, Upon what condition did you fulfill to make Him love you?

The Bible does not teach free will. Ezekiel 36:26-27

Proverbs 21:1

Romans 3:10:23

Point 1: Leighton Flowers lies about the Southern Baptist History. I would not believe someone about scriptures who lies about something anyone can look up and see it's a lie. Point 2: His church had a Christmas night with an relatively unknown harlot leading the singing. Her name is Katie Ladner who was in the cast of the Broadway, WICKED, and it is wicked. Point 3: You can easily find the information online.

Most Calvinists have listened to Leighton Flowers.

@@darrelljackson6175 Yep! He's not exactly a very good scholar. As I stated, he doesn't even know Southern Baptist History claiming those who started it weren't Calvinists. That is a blatant lie and he knows it, therefore, he as zero credibility. His church looks and acts just like Bethel and other NAR heretics.

You think most Calvinist haven’t heard Leighton Flowers?😂

​​@@elijahjones6700I'm pretty sure we all have. Especially the poor performances against James White. However, people who aren't soaked in the word don't understand his lies, strawman, and emotional arguments are false. They sound plausible without the word. It sounds good, until you know the word deeply. Not to mention, man's innate desire to believe they Chose God and took part in salvation, as well as the pride that won't allow them to admit they are totally depraved. God bless brother.

AMEN!

Salvation is of the Lord. As stated in the video, a great majority of Calvinists don’t believe what you think.

@@Boomer7654 two things can be true at the same time. Salvation is of the Lord and you are commanded to believe.

Because most people who call themselves Christians are not.

I have the same question. I’m sick and tired of this.

Calvanism is merely a name for the doctrines you hold AS A CHRISTIAN. Just like others are ARMINIANS after a man who created false doctrines. The name calvanism was invented years and years after his death in response to the guy who invented arminianism which is named after the guy who invented that, which is probably what you are. No one is following Calvin. It's a theological system people hold. 😂 Wake up and study rather than judging incorrectly.

“There is no soul living who holds more firmly to the doctrines of grace than I do, and if any man asks me whether I am ashamed to be called a Calvinist, I answer-I wish to be called nothing but a Christian; but if you ask me, do I hold the doctrinal views which were held by John Calvin, I reply, I do in the main hold them, and rejoice to avow it.” -Charles Spurgeon

100% These Calvinists are hot stuff😂

So you are saying you don't get around to reading Scripture much.....

Sorry as much as I love Spurgeon he was wrong.

No kurt it is not. It's a dividing belief system

He is bringing up Calvin because he's one of the reformers who rediscovered the doctrines of grace. Calvin would have been apauld that men 50 years after his death, named it calvanism. He knew of no such notion and wanted to be buried in an unmarked grave. What do you mean his foolishness in Geneva? That the anabatist had murdered hundreds and one of the men responsible was warned not to come and showed up anyways and was put to death? 😂.

Rediscovered? As if the Holy Spirit was u able to reveal the Truth to us without Calvin? Lol

@@choosechrist67 Idek what you just said. But yes, the Catholic Church buried that truth just like they buried the truth that we shouldn’t be praying to Mary or angels by changing the Ten Commandments and by the grace of God he chose a few normal people to help spread the truth to a much greater degree like we see today.

@@LC-jq7vn No one can bury the Truth and outsmart God . If your really saved it didn't take John Calvin to enlighten you

@@choosechrist67 Dude what in the world are you talking about. No one said the truth perished or they need Calvin to be saved. Plenty of people that aren’t Calvinist are saved. That doesn’t mean In Gods providence he hasn’t allowed certain aspects of the faith to be unknown by many because they let Satan in and chose to hide these aspects from the people who weren’t allowed to read the Bible but only hear preachers. You can’t understand what you aren’t told or aren’t told. The common man was not allowed to own a Bible, that only happened in the last 500 years. As a result, people were ignorant and easily taken advantage of. That’s why the Lord blessed us with the reformation. I just gave you an example of how they buried it. The Catholic Church also told people they could purchase the forgiveness of their sins with money and people didn’t know better. It was called indulgences. I suggest you read more on church history. I’d love to recommend a good but vital book for church history that isn’t tough to read.

You’re literally pulling the same dishonest trick Bauchem mentioned in the first few minutes 😂😂 Anything else you say is meaningless in light of that 😂😂😂

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Calvanism is the gospel. It has not damaged the church at all. If anything, it has strengthened it.

@@Levi-RoseWilletts4828 it is a pointless doctrine that serves no purpose. Everything is already decided, and nothing anyone does makes any difference. That is profoundly unbiblical.

Calvinists believe Christ died for those that the Father has given to Him.

Calvinists do believe in John 3,16. But who will believe? Acts 13,48: "... and all who were appointed for eternal life believed." Calvinism is biblical, Arminianism is NOT.

@markusw.2690 you dropped this: Acts 3:19-21

@markusw.2690 Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved! Why is it so hard for you to understand that?

Are you saying that Jesus died for the sins of the unsaved and his sacrifice was insufficient to save them? That is the only possible conclusion that can be made other than believing every human being that ever lived is saved. So do you believe in an insufficient sacrifice of Jesus or do you believe in faith in Christ being unnecessary for salvation? Because those are the only 2 belief systems you can possibly hold based on what you have said.

Huh?

Don't tell me you are a Catholic.

@@Theonly_Onyx Let me say that VB openly partners with Glenn Beck and other heretics and calls GB my brother. Does that sound like a man who has discernment? He doesn't just do it once but admits they hang out with each other and is proud of his relationship with GB. As a man of God who is to be an example and who openly rebuked another brother for a one time encounter is more than a hypocrite he participates regularly in this Mormons evil deeds. He is clearly in rebellion against God's word. II John 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting, 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds. GB is also an idolater he not only worships false gods, but believes he will be a god some day. I Corinthians 5:11 But now I am writing to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is a sexually immoral person, or greedy, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-not even to eat with such a one. Better read it fast because VB and his handlers will quickly remove it.

@@Theonly_Onyx I answered you but Voddie's team keeps deleting my response as it exposes their hypocrisy. They are worse then the people they have no problem calling out. Voddie needs to resign immediately and never get behind a pulpit again. Voddie I'm praying for you to repent! He is leading people to Mormonism, adultery, and the LGBTQ+. They'll block me next which is okay, but they'll not be able to block the God they claim to serve.

Care to elaborate?

AS IF!

@@Surelygoodness772 Your first two words shows the spirit that is at work in you. Did Paul and the new testament saints have the same mindset as you are showing here?

@@Hemmah219 God bless you!

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