Season 8 was bad enough to consider the possibility it was deliberately bad, not sure why but for some reason D&D may have shat on it, maybe to revenge on people they no longer needed to please, or maybe their new Star Wars deal (which they were booted from) had something to do with it, it wouldn't be the first time rival production companies sabotaged a show.
I can't even go back and watch my favorite parts of GOT because I know how shitty it ends up. That's how bad season 8 has ruined it for me..so damn sad.
Same man, season 8 has forever tarnished the GoT legacy. It's like someone taking a dump on the Mona Lisa, there's beautiful work underneath, but you can never ignore the smell of shit that lingers around it lol.
Hodor lets Bran die -> Bran doesn't tell Jon about his lineage -> No strife between Dany and Jon -> Million murders don't happen Best thing Hodor could have done is not hold the door. RIP Hodor, who's biggest mistake was hordoring.
@Jacob Sirak Actually, in the House of Black and White, there is a scene that shows that she could have wear a face of a living person. I think it's when she become blind.
@@Mackdez No, they ended Breaking Bad perfectly. And Breaking Bad still has the title as the best show on TV. Game of Thrones could've taken that title, but D&D fucked it all up.
Disney paid them. You don't think it's too coincidence that D&D were offered the gig with Star Wars just before they were to start planning season 8? I believe Disney paid them to destroy season 8, because GOT was the one mega franchise that they did not own, and the next best thing they could do was to destroy it.
spirittammyk season eight is anal cancer, but that has to be the dumbest fucking take I have ever heard. Disney already makes tons of more money than HBO, why would they pay off the writers to ruin a show that has little revenue in comparison to all the other big selling franchises that Disney has?
A horny lady forgets everything. Specially jon snow refused her a sex climax before she went to kings landing. Sad. All jon needed to fuck her aunt like its her last day. Like ARYA killed fucking night king cause gendry give her a tight fuck she wanted.
I’ll NEVER forgive D&D for ruining Dany’s and Jaime’s arcs, and for making Bran the feckin Broken (who said he couldn’t be Lord of Winterfell because he was the Three Eyed Raven) the Ruler of the Six Kingdoms, after the *prisoner* Tyrion told all the leaders to fix the f*** up!! And this was all after the Night King got turned into a slushy so easily by Arya...this enemy that had been built up since the very first episode of season one as being powerful and evil on a par with Sauron, gets tricked by a hand switch. 🙄 Then Cersei gets to die in Jaime’s arms? The same Jaime she sent Bronn to kill? @£4$7@4&+£63&%4#& F*CKING HELL!!! WT actual F had D&D been smoking in the two years between seasons 7 and 8?? 😳
You said: "WT actual F had D&D been smoking in the two years between seasons 7 and 8?? 😳" Before the very first season on TV, D&D had probably already planned it to last 8 seasons. I even heard they originally wanted it to be 7 seasons (70 episodes) before making it 73 episodes (60 + 7 + 6 episodes). They just didn't tell GRRM so that he would sign and so that THEIR name would be labelled on the success of GoT TV Show. They were just so short sighted that they couldn't foresee that their version would never in a million years stick the landing. Heck even the cast and producers looked at season 8 script and were disappointed. Everyone knew, except them, that this wouldn't wrap up GoT in a nice way and would end up as a disaster.
Will you forgive george rr martin for his ideas oh wait thats kind of weird right? Cuz it is his story who are you to enforce your ideas on someone elses creation? Tempting possible plagarism? Because you do realize that the endings of the major characters are heavily based on martin's ideas right? You wouldnt possibly believe that D and D would just make up their own shit and deviate from the specific ending position of the characters GRRM had in mind, right? your entitlement and innocence derrived of your stupidity is indeed grand, intoxicating and truly sickening.
Actually they were never been able to write anything on their own. Everyone who read the books knows that. Since when they haven't had more source material (season 5) everything went shit
And to think that this Season's Finale is Nominated for an Emmy in the WRITING category. What a joke. Edit: Emmys have been a joke for years. That Emmy win means NOTHING!
@@GuzmanMPetit did they seriously win best drama for the final season? I didn't even know that? If that is true then surely it was more due to the fact that the show had aired it's final season and maybe the powers that be wanted to pay homage to the series as a whole?
@@GuzmanMPetit I'll tell you what did make sense. Everyone who thought that the Emmy's had any ounce of credibility left can just search up the clip of them winning for this final season and their claims can be disputed. What makes it worse was that Lena, Nikolaj and Emilia never took home any Emmy's for their part on this show. Only Peter. What a Fucking waste. Ugh.
Really it should have been a whole season of the dead winning, then a whole season dedicated to Cersei. I would not be surprised at all if the planned book ending has Winterfell fall and a retreat to the Eyrie.
I feel robbed of my time. I spent 10 years watching this. The last season was a big build up to nothing. Totally upset they ruined this great awesome show. Now our watch has ended
I started watching it 3 years ago and i loved it so much that i started crying after they ruined it. I can't imagine how betrayed you must feel after 10 YEARS.
Season 4 was the last great season. From 5 on, the quality of the writing became progressively worse. It was no longer about making narrative sense. It was about creating visual and technical spectacle. The final season is nothing but this.
I thoroughly enjoyed every season except the last one. Season 5 had the battle of hardholme, season 6 had the excellent battle of the bastards, season 7 had some dodgy writing but it still managed to build up masses of suspense around the night king. I think the show was still well above average until season 8 completely flopped.
@@RealUlrichLelandyou just proved the point then my pal, after season 4 it was all about big battles (wiche have imensse plot holes) and badass moments, and aparently it was all that people cared about back then.
You know, recommending people to watch GoT used to be my favorite thing to do. Now I'm even ashamed to mention its name when somebody asks me what tv show did I enjoy the most
Season 8 made me so angry that I cannot even watch Seasons 1-7 anymore. I know the garbage they finished it with and its ruined the entire series for me, which is devastating because I adored it. Like thanks D&D. You've ruined the whole thing for me.
Smart. I just finished the show last night. I'm late to the game. But I had this lurking, underlying feeling that I shouldn't watch the final episode. I just knew it wasn't gonna be good. I was gritting my teeth the whole way through.
Do you yourself a favor and watch it for the memes. I had a great time making fun of season 8 even though im super disappointed in the show ending this way.
Season 8 is so bad it ruins the re-watchablity of the previous 7 seasons..... That's how terrible it was. It LITERALLY makes ABSOLUTELY no sense how awful it was.
Let me make sense of it for you: The writers wanted so badly to make the last season unpredictable and unexpected that they ended up giving us a story NOBODY wanted. I will share one example. Dany’s character in season 7 began to fall in love with Jon and she started to change as her trust and admiration for him grew. Her shift to a psychopathic ruler in season 8 simply didn’t make sense. Her reaction to Jon’s parents reveal and the decision to kill kings landing were both hated and unwanted by fans. If they wanted to have Dany go insane they should have laid the groundwork for that in season 7. You can’t just make a character behave so randomly and expect viewers to buy into it. The whole finale was just cringeworthy lines for each character. The only good thing to come out of it was cleganebowl
@@Ry-ss5dz Agreed 100%. That 180 degree turn in Dany's entire character was some of the biggest Character assassination I have ever come to see on TV. And as a Dany stan, I wouldn't have minded the Mad Queen plot, but that execution was some of the biggest Bullshit I have seen. And let's talk about the second biggest Character assassination in the show, which is Jamie. We were all meant to sympathize with him as the story went on. Going from Asshole, to Humble, To tragic hero. Even though he's an asshole at the beginning, he grows to be a sympathizer character. All of his past actions were literally for the good of the innocence. And just as we were made to believe he was gonna have the greatest redemption story of all time, they also pull another 360, and make him go back. WHAT THE FUCK?! Dany and Jamie's character arcs were my favorite, and it's baffling how shitty the pivotal parts of their story were executed. I sometimes like when I'm not given what I want, as long as the story, characters and writing is consistent, but I wasn't given any of that satisfaction. Instead, I got to extremely ruined characters and "Bran the Broken" GOT- Ruined
I understand a lot of criticism for season 8... But are you seriously saying you didn’t see ANY signs of Dany going mad in previous seasons? That’s on you, mongoloid
@@DomenTheChief I mean I haven't read the books, so I'm not as bothered by storylines being different in the show, but aside from that I think Season 5 was good, season 6 was mostly good, season 7 had 1 good moment, but was overall really bad and season 8 was a total mess
Worst part about the series finale was that lousy wall destroying cliffhanger... ...cliffdropper? Whatever. You know hollywood, theyll reboot it in 10 years anyway
Unfortunately, the GoT legacy will always refer to Season 8's poor writing. What a shame. Actors did a great job with material they had, but the writing in Season 8, oh boy.
I don't want to sound like a dick but GoT became shit in season 5. I will never understand how so many people don't see seasons 5,6 and 7 for what they actually are.
I knew the show was fucked the moment they skipped the entire part of Dany crossing the Narrow Sea, and instead had her make land in the first fucking episode of Season 7. It was all downhill from there. Yeah, there were some great scenes, the Loot Train scene being absolutely breathtaking.....and then plot armor. Those two idiots ruined what should have been iconic from start to finish. Look no further than their moronic obsession with making a zombie polar bear that added absolutely nothing to the story. Nothing, but they wanted it, so they made it, and yeah.
Anybody notice how NO ONE talks about GOT anymore? Chatter about shows slows down once it ends, but it's like the whole world decided to pretend it never existed.
They wanted to move on but they only damaged their reputations as writers. I wouldn't hire them to clean my bathroom after season 8. They wouldn't finish the job.
I would actually specifically hire them to clean my bathroom. But not until i have smeared enough shit all over it to make them suffer when cleaning it up. I really hate those pricks.
@@Zack-fu4lo yep and the novel series theyre adapting is really good. I read the first novel and its promising and luckily for them the series is done so they have their material. It sucks that these dicks didnt allow HBO to continue Game of Thrones without them. They had to take the ship down with them on their way out. Greedy bastards.
I just feel so bad for the actors that worked so hard bringing these characters to life and then getting their hard work flushed down the toilet by lazy show runners that just wanted to be done with the show so they can move on to another project. This show made them well known. I’m never going to watch another one of their shows again because it will end in disappointment again.
I would have been ok with seasons taking longer to film, so that the actors could work on other projects in between. I understand wanting to do other stuff. They could have found a way to do that. What a waste
A dumpster fire... now that's debatable. A dumpster fire can at at least have use as a source of warmth and is sometimes entertaining to watch. I feel like a better term would be Hitler Fetus
@@anthonysiu6010 I honestly was just fine with ending,( besides bran of all people becoming king) I just hated how the season as a whole handled itself. It was so rushed and sloppy, just ridiculous!!!
It really is a total failure. It's hard to even rewatch the good starting seasons because you know all the story arcs go to shit. The people who died in the early seasons are the best characters because they got to leave with style. I would even consider Tywin dying on the toilet leaving in style.
@@Ormagoden94 there is quite s few gay characters in GOT but not so much in breaking bad. So I guess you're trying to say game of thrones is more gayer???
@@krillin3350 yeah that line literally made me despise Arya. I already disliked her because of her line, "That's alright, I don't need many allies, " then annoyed that she killed the night king (should have been Jon), but then after Dany torching an entire city killing women and children, her telling Jon "I know a killer when I see one." Like shut the fuck up, Arya. I really wish Arya would have gotten killed before the long night battle, haha
100% makes me just wanna support Preacher and the cast. And gives a little insight one why, besides being actually funny and talented, he keeps thriving in Hollywood.
Yeah, in hindsight it's very understandable why GRRM waited so long to find directors that would realize his books in a way that would not turn it into a cashgrab that slaughtered the source material. And the series actually started very strong and promising. Unfortunately though, turns out D&D never really had a grasp on it: Small deviations in Season 1 that were born from time and budget restrictions grew into unnecessary deviations in Season 5, escalated once D&D had no source material left, and ended in a needlessly haphazard and nonsensical wrap-up in Season 8. And just the kind of rushed unsatisfactory conclusion that GRRM was afraid from when giving someone the rights to turn it into a movie.
I've head he spend a whole day with them exchanging experiences and impressions about the books. The final question he asked them that sealed the deal were their thoughts about John's parents. What he thought to be a verification of their deeper involvement and understanding merely turned out to be their simplistic glee about unexpected twists. The kind they used in excess in the final Season in particular, undermining the understanding of the characters and their role in the story rather than supporting it.
@@LinkEX They never understood any of the themes or deeper meanings or even understood most of the characters, this just wasn't clear in the earlier seasons because there were only minor slip-ups and actually many quite brilliant scenes were added, especially Tywin and Cersei scenes that weren't in the books and seemed to show that they really understood their characters...what happened? I believe D&D also said at one point that "themes" are for high school textbooks which is such a disregard for GRRM's work which is literally based around themes and foreshadowing and metaphors etc.
@Yowatsapp 05 well, that’s not that true. The light god storyline is one of few D&D saw through. Melisandre showed back up (weirdly from the same direction the fucking wights were.?), and helped fight. Lord Beric did what the light god was saving him for, protecting Arya. Melisandre also reminds Arya why she is still here by the “blue eyes” comment. Still poorly written, but it is one of the few story lines they followed through on.
@@coldhands2802 there probably never was one. The Lord of Light told Milassandre whatever he needed to in order to get Renly, Stannis, and anyone else who was in the way out of the picture. Likely he had her following that “prince who was promised” belief to motivate her to do the horrors she did (like burning Stannis’ daughter alive) she was doing it all for the greater good.
The fact they pulled a Kathleen Kennedy and completely disregarded everything Martin handed them is what pisses me off. Finish the fucking job you were given, and do it well. Thankfully, they’ll likely never work on a project like this again. Can you imagine these idiots in control of a Star Wars trilogy?
GRRM said they could have had easily 13 seasons! Honestly not just because it would be a lot longer, but the characters would get more development and the details would get polished, instead they showed 0 respect to GRRM and hurried through the show for what is incomprehensible! Fuck D&D!
@@thor2437 istg ,the same ending ,with 6 more seasons of character development and foreshadowing ,could actually make sense. Because then they would have so much time to JUSTIFY the ending. The main reason the ending suckdd was ,it was so rushed and badly done, but with 6 more seasons of plot ,it could be done much better. WE COULD EVEN HAVE A SEASON DEDICATED TO FIGHTING WIGHT WALKERS
One of those dudes hadn’t done anything movie-wise before, besides having authored/co-authored 4 rejected manuscripts. The other wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Giving those guys any kind of responsibility in the first place was the criminal act.
@@notcompletelynormal I'm guessing HBO never anticipated how popular the show would become and when it did they thought it was because D and D were talented when really they were just copy pasting GRRM's masterpiece from a book to a script
I think he’s entitled to his opinion, and seeing as they decided not to show up to speak about and defend their choices, and also put the Con under pressure with their absence, all the more reason to call them out.
Tim Rucker trust me GO fans do not wana see them nor their new ventures . I will not watch a movie or series if these guys are involved in it . Greedy B$&@rds
Lost also had a bad and weird ending that didn't make a lot of sense. Though they had a good reason (writer's strike). True Blood also got crappy toward the end. Most shows aren't meant to last forever, but they should have solid endings. GoT was the best example of the worst ending.
@@e.g.4483 This isn’t true. LOST’s ending is beloved by most Lost fans. It has over 9 on IMDb. The people who said they hated it were casual viewers who didn’t understand it and thought the ending meant they were dead the whole time. Also, the writer’s strike had no effect on the ending. It happened during season 4, not 6.
@@KevinTkt14 There was a decline in "planning", sure, but there were some pretty outstanding moments. Most of which were still just payoffs that GRRM had set up. Jon coming back, Bastardbowl, Jon coming back, Sansa and Jon being reunited, Jon coming back. All together, a great season.
It was horrible, the amount of mistakes and stupid decisions. And yet they had Tyrion who is a genius ( or was until season 7) and a great deal of experienced people like Jon. They should have had an excellent strategy.
Regardless of the comments about being a cog in the system, Seth is basically a normal dude. Throwing some work at capitalist efforts for the Gap doesn't change the fact that he gets to have an opinion about Game of Thrones. To simplify the issue, anti-establishment feelings essentially have nothing to do with any part of this conversation.
That ending of season 7: snow falling on Kings landing and on Jamies glove 👍 next season: summer in kings landing ? Also jamie and euron= the fight nobody asked for .
I thought of all the shows and dramas that will subvert expectations this will be the one to do it. Literally every character was sure she'd become the mad queen and then she did. Don't make her the queen of Westeros but she could've been queen of something none the less or even died after becoming queen. She worked so hard. Or just explode her ass in a meaningless death like Margaery, would've made more sense
Come on now, GOT easy the definition of a red herring. Nothing is ever as it seems. With Daenerys, the clues were there. While I do believe that the ending was completely rushed, her endgame was always set in stone. Expecting Cersei to go all mad Queen should've happened the moment she lost Tommen and gained power. Let's be honest, Cersei's humanity was directly tied to her children. Before she even knew of Daenerys coming to Westeros, she should've started acting a fool, yet, she never did. This is why I never saw her losing it completely.
@@janellejulianajoy Cersei's side: * cersei who don't want to give up the throne because she is selfish and always lust for power * * Cersei who kills anyone that oppose her * ex. The huge explosion on kings landing that kills countless people * Cersei who have all the characteristic to be in lust of power and has the tendency to be mad because she is willing to do anything for the throne * Ex. She didn't want to give up the throne even Jaime was convincing her that they will lose to dany and will only bring countless innocent death. Meanwhile on Dany's side: * Dany who stayed on the other side because she wants to free those slave before she take Kings landing and do the same to the people in it * Ex. She always had the vision for better tomorrow. She wants to free the slaves and even oppose the iron bank that supports the slavement system. * Dany who set aside her plan to take Kings landing to fight the bigger threat, the night king * -Mind you cersei don't want to help but Jaime insist. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm just proving my point which has something to do with the plot based on the whole season itself. Cersei killed by Jaime because cersei is starting to get mad is more appropriate than Dany who don't have any reason to get mad at all. Not a single fuckin reason we're shown in the whole season. Anyways, whatever happens, GOT still has shitty ending, many plotholes and senseless storyline due to DnD being a real piece of shit.
I bought a replica sword in preparation for Season 8. I been trying to sell it since and NO ONE is biting. So bad no one will buy it even for a tenth of what i paid.
The first 4 seasons are DEFINITELY worth the watch. Having gone through the whole thing, I would absolutely recommend people to watch the first 4 seasons and then the Hardhome episode by itself, without any context
Just realizing the Hardhome episode would be a better ending than the ending we got. Leaving things open as fuck but still, better getting nothing else than getting what we got. It would be like a hopeless pessimistic ending (of course a lot of hooks that were happening by that time in the series would need to not be happening and would need to be finished before that moment. It would be rushed AS FUCK but still better than season 8 and I’m not being hyperbolic or anything right now)
I watched every Star Wars movie on opening day since A New Hope and now I have zero interest in supporting their versions of it. I am also totally dead to the idea of watching any of the GoT prequels because I know what the future holds.
Absolutely! Ruin their careers. They deserve it! And I’m a pacifist grandmother, not some kid who’s upset over her/his fav show turning out bad at the end. ASOIAF has been a huge part of my inner life for 23 years or so. I want GRRM to take his time. But I’ve paid for HBO/ Sky for a decade, something on the order of €14,000! I did NOT get what I paid for.
I'm on board for all of society criticizing D & D for what they did to GOT. They didn't "subvert expectations", they subverted decent storytelling...smh
@@rht785 as long as they're not involved in the prequels, I'll watch them. And although you say that, if you're a long time fan of GoT and ASOIAF can you really say you won't watch them when they come out?
@@danman1789 in an interview he did...he said he had source material that coulx have made 12 seasons but Dumb and Dumber only wanted to do 7 and they basically convinced them to go a season more...what was the purpose of Jon coming back for him to be nothing!!!..?.fricking waste
@@amandawilliams9072 Well, Jon was on a collision course with Ramsey in both the books as well as the show- so that is gonna happen no matter what. Upon Ramsey's death, Winterfell is returned once more as the home of the Stark family. Once the Starks have returned to Winterfell, Arya would then know that it would be safe for her to at least return to Winterfell because she has been in hiding for at least a decade at that point. I suspect that in the books that Jon may in fact be the one to deliver the final blow to the Night king- who is only distracted enough for jon to strike the NK with Longclaw because NK is killing / turning Arya to make his frozen bride. Remember, Jon is technically undead, after all.
Games Of Thrones boxed set blu ray must be a sell out...Imagine how much money Dumb & Dumber have lost HBO. They could of milked GOT for decades, now instead merchandise is in clearance bins. HBO good luck with the prequels to a butchered series. No one even wants to watch a single episode anymore.
I work at a smaller store selling loot, merch, etc. and I prepared a section especially for GoT for when the final season had aired. It slowly turned out to become one of the most ignored sections in the whole store.
matthew white BUT once you have seen season 8 there is no way you will be able to watch it anymore . All forgiven but l cant understand last episode what were they thinking ?”lets give this to the idiots who watch this ? Anyway enough money has been made already??” I hate them for what they did
The ending was George’s ending so yeh - don’t think he’s ever gonna finish those books considering how much people hated the ending - or he may take another 20 years to rewrite the ending
@@ManuB3581 The TV show went off the rails once the show runners didn't have George's words to work with. It's a very complicated story that they short changed because they were ready to move on. Both George and HBO wanted additional seasons.
Wouldn't recommend reading the books until at least Winds of Winter comes out considering how Feast and Dance are technically two halves of the same book and end at around the time of mid-season 5 if I remember right. Fantastic series, just wouldn't want people to get hooked and then have it never finished. Just my two cents. And for the ending, I think GRRM's was the original S8 script ending (Leaked in 2017 and they rewrote the entire thing), not the one we saw on screen.
Seth perfectly summed up all of the fans issues with the Final Season. Also, it was very disrespectful for the GoT panel to conveniently be "out of time" and SKIP the very last Fan Q&A for GoT! I mean let's be honest here, that is just rude and the fans deserved better!
Yeah, but the actors don't have a say in it. They will tell the tale of the characters and their perspectives on what their characters were thinking when they did things, but they didn't cut the show from 10 to 8 seasons and they didn't decide that Bran would become king for example.
@@michaedove3562 Well this is the problem, D&D didn't show up, so you're exactly right. But people deserved their pound of flesh and now they don't get it so of course they're super salty about it.
@@JasmineBoothe1 i disagree with Jorah. Sure he was a tough loss but he died in an honorable cause. Plus he was alive in the alternative ending of the series.
@@aguasanta they filmed two ending. Jorah survived the Battle of Winterfell him and Jon end up betraying Dany and him and Jon are the ones exiled at the end. The creators chose the other ending. Where Jorah dies protecting Dany. The actor who played Jorah believed it made the most sense given Jorah would of been heartbroken if he saw Dany transform into that monster at the end of the series. They filmed both.
They took one of the greatest stories written and destroyed it so badly that everyone involved is basically in hiding. How do you show your face in public when you destroy a once in a generation series. This would be like if Harry Potter kills Voldemort then turns evil himself. Kills all his close friends. Then brakes the elder wand in half and stabs himself with it. They literally wrote the worst ending imaginable. They’d been better having the night king win and everyone dies.
You know, I'm puzzled that people get so worked up about this. Have they read the books ? Have they watched the show ? This is GoT, guys, not Dora the Explorer, and certainly not kiddie stuff such as Harry Potter… Dany's downfall was announced and predicted as early as book and season # 2. She kept saying she'd take what's hers with fire and blood, she crucified some people, burned others alive, fed a few to her dragons, a couple of heads rolled off at her orders… There was something enticing and fascinating about her ride to the top, so most of us cheered for her (myself included), but she WAS the Mad Queen almost from the beginning. You have every right to dislike it, but that was pretty easy to foresee. This said - there ARE some storylines which I feel were left half-cooked (no pun intended), but I'm not going to pretend that the writers ruined it just because it's not to my liking...
Cicilo1983 I was fine with Dany’s downfall. I think it was the only part of the ending that made sense up until the part the Jon snow kills her. She was the mad queen and Robert Baratheon saying they all need to die was correct all along. My issues are with basically everything else. We learn Jon snow is royalty and he betrays his queen and murders her. Night king battle was anti climatic. Cersi and Jamie Lannister ending was horrendous. In no way does Cersie deserve to die such an easy death. I could go on but with the amount of time I’ve invested in reading the books and watching the show to me it was a betrayal for such an amazing story.
@@khure711 Fair enough. As for Cersei, I agree that she would have deserved a more gruesome death, but I like the symbolism of the Red Keep (literally) falling on her head, and crushing her to death. Power is all that she desired right until the very end, and it all caves in on her. The only part of the finale that I felt was totally illogical was that Jon gets sent back to the wall - the wildlings aren't an issue anymore, neither are the White Walkers...it doesn't even make sense that the Wall is still an option for anyone ! ;)
@Cicilo I call bs on the mad Dany nonsense. Go look at the situations where she crucified or killed people and then ask if those people were the same as the innocent and random people in the streets of King's Landing-the answer is a huge no. The people she crucified were slave masters and they were crucified in equal number to the number of slave children Daenerys had seen that slave masters running Meereen had crucified. How many children did random people on the streets of King's Landing crucify? The answer is zero. So that is how many of them Daenerys would be likely to crucify. One of the few ways to pretend the nonsense in season 8 episode 5 makes sense is to ignore rather than look at Daenerys's history. Remember how people who defend the mad Dany nonsense often say she needed to listen to her advisors otherwise she'd go bad? Where did the idea come from that ended up with a guy getting fed to a dragon? Guess what, it was one of her advisors-Daario to be specific. Lets see what some of those advisors also tried telling Daenerys. Tyrion told her not to risk herself in an attempt to save Jon while Jon was on a mission getting a sample undead to show Cersei that Tyrion himself came up with. Jorah was frequently a good guy but his advice wasn't always the most moral choice either. He tried to discourage Daenerys from trying to save women when Dothraki were raping them, he discouraged her from giving water to a tortured slave hung in the sun to die, and he also pointed out that freeing all the slaves she could would slow her down from getting to Westeros (thus discouraging her from doing that). Let's not forget another of Daario's gem ideas-he encouraged Daenerys to just kill all the nobles in Meereen so she could grab their wealth and power (she refused by pointing out she was not a "butcherer"). Had Daenerys listened to her advisors during these moments she would have made the less moral choice not the better one she did make in those situations. The idea that her advisors are the only thing holding her back or to a reasonable policy is bogus. So no, the claim she was bad and crazy in seasons 1-7 and people somehow just ignored it doesn't fly. @khure Since you mentioned King Bobby B., its fair to point out one of his policies was that people would bend the knee to him or die. So unless people are arguing king Bobby B. was going to go mad and kill everyone in the street then chances are that Daenerys is not going to go mad either when using his policy. This was the policy when she burned Randyll Tarly after he refused to bend the knee which was after the army he was commander of refused to even give Lady Olenna a chance to bend the knee and live. And it was Randyll, not Daenerys, who turned down the idea of joining the Night's Watch. So he turned down not just 1 but 2 chances live after not giving 1 chance to his own prisoner (Lady Olenna).
@@Cicilo1983 I don't think people dislike Dany's downfall. People dislike it because it made literally NO sense. She won, she took over Kings Landing and Cersei had surrendered. The bells were ringing and then suddenly for NO REASON Cersei goes mad. It there was a good reason, I don't think people would have been very upset.
GoT S8 wiped out any chance for me to invest my heart and time on a show ever again. I cannot believe I waited 2 years for that garbage season 8. Everything was great except the horrendous writing.
LOVE IT! And Seth Rogan wasn’t wrong at all in addressing the many, many issues with season 8 and the show’s finale, at least in my admittedly very fallible opinion. Speaking as a fan, I followed that show and loved/loved to hate those characters for YEARS. And it legit hurt my weird, socially awkward heart to see them treated so poorly in the final season. The characters and the fans deserved FAR better than what was given. It felt like D&D were just bored/done with the world of Westeros and if that’s truly how they felt, they should’ve passed the torch and let someone NOT burnt out handle the final season. Just my two cents.
@@heavyspoilers Agreed. Cersei and the actress who spent so many years portraying her deserved a much better ending than what she was given. And I was so invested in Jaime's character arc - to see it suddenly given such a poorly thought out, lackluster, careless conclusion was saddening and insulting. As a writer myself (admittedly, my writing doesn't pay my bills just yet - more like pays an electric bill every now and then and buys me a pizza or three - so I'm not in D&D's league), I'm absolutely disgusted by the lack of care they showed. Even my broke, starving artist with a shitty day job ass wouldn't give my characters such short shrift, because I actually have respect and love for my characters.
I just hope that Seth Rogan's current and future work are/will be perfect. I get his criticisms of fellow showrunners/writers/artists--I just hope it doesn't come back to bite him when its his projects going under scrutiny. Today's fans can be harsh in their critique.
Yeah, D&D have complained about being exhausted with the show since season 5. So they were rushing the ending. They wanted season 7 to be the last but HBO convinced them to do 8 seasons. HBO wanted 10, which in hindsight would have been perfect but D&D wanted out.
he fucking died and was on of the first to fight the white walkers and was in the night whatch and helped those frome outside the wall and was in the battle of bastards and ton and ton and ton of other things he did I just realised fucking hate what they did with the show
If anything no one had the best story, because the show itself had the best story. Like that friend you had that always kept you interested and invested in what they did, but as the years went on you started to hate them more and more because you realize what's been coming out of their mouth was complete shit, then they just up and leave. I don't know where I was going with that but the point is that the ending was bad.
This is the Comic Con panel that I've missed. No PC clap along. It's sad, only Seth Rogan had the spine to address the elephant in a room. Season 8 was a massive disappointment because the actors busted their butts off but the script/material they had to work with was garbage.
Pksoze What makes it even worse is that the writers could’ve gone for more episodes or even more seasons. There was literally no need to rush this shit.
I don't think most people have a problem with the actual narrative decisions they made. A lot of the things that went down in season 8 could have worked if the quality of the writing had been a lot better. But unfortunately, it's painfully clear that D&D had completely checked out and just wanted to bring the series to a premature end as quickly as possible. It's like if you are reading your kids a bedtime story and can't be arsed finishing it so go "bla bla bla and they all lived happily ever after, the end!"
This. They stopped caring and they rushed it, they disrespected their audience and they got the backlash they deserved. Let's hope other showrunners take this as the cautionary tale it is.
@@SmartPrice84 I heard. I don't buy it. How come their wide-eyed beginner ignorance was nowhere in sight for the first four seasons? They got lazy and arrogant and they thought they could just phone in the finale and move on to bigger and better things. HBO was willing to pay for more seasons, and if they had creative constipation they could have fessed up and brought in some reinforcements. But noooo, they thought they could just half-ass it and the loyal GoT fanbase would just swallow whatever it was served. Sorry, I'm still a little bitter.
@@austenhead5303 No need to apologise mate. You are preaching to the choir. I'm still pissed off about it as well. The early seasons were better because they are the closer adaptations of the source material. They could adapt George's books decently but when it comes to creating something on their own, they are a couple of hacks. The sad part is that every other aspect of the production was so good. The music, the sets, the costume design and even the actors did the best they could with what they had to work with. But without decent writing it all falls flat. Like a beautiful building that collapsed because the foundations are shite. It's painfully clear they were chasing that sweet sweet Disney money, but didn't have the integrity to pass the torch on to someone that actually would have done it justice.
It was shite mate, hate how showrunners have all that power, surely the cast should have said wtf are you doing? This is shit! Ep.3s military tactics would only fool a child, absolute bollocks! Mind you having said that Mark Hamill said loads about what that fat faced cunt Ruin Johnson did to Luke and worse, Kathleen Kennedy was employed bu George Lucas and knew all Star Wars lore and was happy af to let that bubble faced little cunt kill Luke? Like wtf? It’s like she worked for George and hated him and got her revenge or something!
I feel relly sorry for the whole cast and crew who worked on seasons 7 and 8. Everyone did a great job with acting, special effects, music, cinematography etc. but they were working with such bad writing that it was impossible to save.
Rule #1 in acting: never play boredom. whatever you do it's the most excitng, difficult, crazy, sad hatever moment of your life. If youre not interested it's not interesting. How the director(s) let Bran be played in a monotone, dead- eyed, disconnected way..in EVERY scene no matter the situation was BANANAS! I don't care if the three eyed raven no longer felt like Bran Stark (its not as if Bran was very interesting to begin with). The choice to void all emotion and movement from the character wasn't an effective way to show the loss of Bran to the all-knowing TER. The worst of it is that the best and most revelatory moments are given to BS/TER with all the emotion of Siri. Jon is Aegon, the dead are coming, I've seen the night king, etc....Poor John Bradley...acting his as* off to compensate for the catatonic TER!
Night king was so weak man, I mean anyone could kill him with a arrow made of dragonglass, didn't the children of forest knew it. They could kill him in the cave itself, I stopped after E3 itself watching such a OP character die like that and then I heard they made bran king stating that he had the best story. Tbh I use to skip the parts of bran and company, he clearly didn't have a good story even in the story, he literary didn't do anything for anyone, just went outside killed the raven who was safe in his cave, killed Hodor , killed another boy, and he send reckon for safety reasons and he ended up dead. Why the fuck I was watching this crap?
not defending D&D but I think them saying Bran had the best story is because he knows entire past of everyone so he had lots of stories to take inspiration from knowing everyone's mistake.... and also it was actually breaking the wheel kind of thing... cause if jon would have became the king since he was targerian the cycle would have continued........ still it would have been lot better if they made more seasions explaining morr stuff and writing it better
Facts. In season 5, the wittiness of all the intelligent characters plummeted, especially Tyrion and Varys. And the entire Dorne plotline was an abomination. Season 5 did have 1 of the best episodes in the series with Hardhome, but was overall a decline in consistent quality. Then it was downhill from there. People act like it suddenly got bad at 8. Just look at season 6 on: the pacing became 50 times faster out of nowhere. The greatest disaster in the history of television. @@majormononoke8958
I'm glad a public figure like Seth Rogen is taking a stance on this. For what it's worth, season 8 of GOT had at least one positive side effect for me. It was so bad that i decided to start reading ASOIAF just to get the proper ending whenever it comes out.... if... it ever comes out... ... And i hadn't read a book in years... ... So congrats D&D on a job well done... ;)
I don't think he will live long enough to finish the book. He has allowed all the characters to be drivers which makes it hard to end the thing well. But he won't retcon.
Once they ran out of material from the books, we were left only with the guys who wrote X-Men Origins: Wolverine. So, what did you expect? Of course the script went down the drain in the last season.
like the end of LOST - the GOT climax season ruined so much of what was good that preceded it. At least with LOST, they had the excuse of knowing they had floundered through much of it with false promises that were never sustainable, but GOT had the novels and GRR in their court to guide the conclusion. They rushed it, and fucked it up with NO excuse - they had all the time and money in the world to get it right. Rogan and everyone else in the industry should call them out for abusing their privilege and their fans. I wonder if they will turn up at the Emmy Awards, or if they will have 'prior commitments' again.
GoT was one of the best and most talked about TV shows in history and the last season ruined it. For anyone who asks I recommend that they watch the show - but not the last season, or at least not the last four episodes. I think the first two episodes of the last season were good. Not great but good. They would have been good foreshadowing if the rest had been done right. But instead the last four episodes are complete nonsense. So for anyone watching the show or who want to watch it by all means do so but just understand: you need to stop after watching S8E2. It will be hard to watch all the way up to that point and not watch the rest - BUT DONT DO IT!! Just stop right there and use your imagination to make up the rest because whatever you come up with will be better than what D&D did. Trust me!
I refused to watch the final season when it came out, only the Battle with the Others and White Walkers. My mother and brother tried to convince me but my mind was made up that the show was too far gone. Afterward, my Mummy told me I did the right thing it was that bad. My brother tries to persuade me every now and then to watch the final episode for lols and to see the full ending, but I always refuse point blank because I know it will ruin any fondness that I still have for the show.
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@deffinition, this comment is more general: it is alright to call them out but the vile rhetoric directed against D&D on social media and other platforms from fans and people who are in position to voice out their opinions publicly is just over the top. I get that not everyone is not happy about how the story ended and totally understand where everyone is coming from--what I don't understand is the full on hate. I love both the books and the series and while I have my own opinions on how it should have ended or how it should have been written, I am totally fine how it did end in the TV series. I am satisfied. In terms of D&D not showing up at ComiCon--that is understandable. Why would they subject themselves to public beratement about decisions they made or did not make? I am sure it was a calculated decision not to.
I dun think Seth shld have said anything. As he said, he's not read any of the books so he's not an expert. I've read all GOT books n i dun claim to be an expert, but i understand where Seth was going with this. Agree that D&D shld have showed up at SDCC. By not turning up, will jus fuel rumours they shortened GOT season cuz they were jumping ship n got well paid for it.
I agree, I love GoT, but glad I won't have to watch the final season now that I know it ended so terrible, definitely gonna start watching preacher now tho! 😀
This video didn’t really need commentary-just a good headline and maybe a bit of info at the end. We all know what happened to GoT. Clips would suffice.
That was the hardest I've laughed in a while thanks for covering it deffinition. I would have yelled thank you to Seth if I had been there. On a serious note, if I had signed the petition I would understand that HBO more than likely would not redo Season 8, signing the petition I would see as just a form of protest and just an extreme way of showcasing a certain opinion.
No problem haha thank you. Yeah agreed, they’ll never remake it but at least people are showing them to be better with the property with the prequels etc
Good on him for using his platform to speak out. It's such a major cop-out to just write a fanbase off as toxic. The petition wasn't 1,5 million people genuinely believing the season could be redone - perhaps a handful of people believed it, there will always be some - but for the vast majority it was showing a collective disapproval of this highly anticipated conclusion that essentially destroyed the show itself for many fans. I'm glad I'm not a Star Wars fan, because I would never want to watch anything made by these two people ever again. Fool me once...
Seems to me that if the story had the three seasons instead of cramming it into Season 8 then I don't necessarily think the story they went with would have been bad. Give the battle with the undead a full season. Give the Dany slowly going insane a full season. And then end with a season for the assault on Kings Landing and crowning of the new king. That's really all it needed. More closure of major events. More time to create that closure.
Exactly what I said!!!!!! There is not enough time in this season for all those parts to be believable. I know Dany was eventually going to go mad, but it was rushed. More time should've been spent on that story especially!!!!
What happened to Brans warging abilities? What was the point if he barely used it in S7 and S8, if he knew it was going to happen the whole time like people are claiming, wouldn’t that make him the villain? He let thousands of people die so he could sit on the throne? What happened to BENJEN FREAKING STARK we could’ve definitely gotten more out of that storyline, him showing up out of nowhere twice baffled me.. Jon being a Targaryen?? Honestly didn’t make much difference in the story, he didn’t even ask about who his parents really were..He could’ve at least asked Dany about Rhaegar. They barely talked about Dany after her death Who speaks Dorthraki in Kingslanding?? How’d they get them to leave? Everybody was dead last time I checked. How long did they hold Jon and Tyrion before they decided to send a Raven to the north?? There is no way Grey Worm or the Unsullied would not have killed them both. IMMEDIATELY. It was snowing in kings landing end of S7 Yet Spring/Summer S8 ep 4,5. Why didn’t Yara ask for independence in the last episode? Night King backstory?? Not important I guess. We NEVER saw the Dorne army WHY can Tyrion pick Bran as King when he barely knows him?? They have literally met TWICE! he didn’t even fully explain his powers to him. It should’ve taken three episodes to decide the fate of Westeros not 8 minutes. How is BRONN master of coin, when he didn’t know what a loan was in season 2? Arya ability’s? Useless after S6 Brown eyes, blue eyes, GREEN EYES?? Where??? Perfect woulda been: Season 7 The Night King Season 8 Cersi Season 9 Jon vs Dany. (A Dance of Dragons part 2) Ending with Bran actually having meaning to be King.
eric banks just a heads up, Bran could never see into the future.... not..... ever. He saw all that was happening and he could see the past. Not one line of dialog ever suggested he could see in to the future?
