Was literally practicing this groove earlier tonight, and when you didn't mention the offset quarter note triplet, I was like damn I made this way harder on myself than I needed to...smh. Any tips on getting those offset accents to sit well? Got close but couldn't quite nail it.
@@logantodd6500 when I’ve played this I play alternating triplets on the hats, starting with my left hand, using my right hand for the offbeat accents and dropping it to the snare on the backbeat. Might not be 100% accurate, but it’s successfully gotten me through many a bar gig.
I think that offset triplet thing is a machine loop or a shaker or something isn’t it? I think the hihat is, in reality, played more straightforward like you did.
I absolutely love how Bernard Purdie had the gall to name a type of shuffle after himself, but he's so good at it that everyone's just like "alright, it's yours"
It's actually really interesting to think about how almost nothing else in our world technique-wise is named after a person. The only other one I can think of is the "Portnoy fill", which is weird because you'd think Buddy, Louie, Chambers, or Peart, or even Ringo would have something named for them. And.... like, we all know what to -do- when it's time to "play like RIngo" or "give me Stewart Copeland hi-hat" but these aren't expressed as a particular sticking pattern that you sit down and learn. (Meanwhile, just about every cymbal manufacturer is named after a person.....)
@@warren_r There's the Prima shuffle vicfirth.zildjian.com/education/zoro-we-want-the-funk-1956-prima-shuffle.html, though credit for that should apparently go to Louis Prima's Vegas-era drummer Bobby Morris www.drummersresource.com/bobby-morris-interview/.
No “Fool In the Rain”?!! You could have talked about the awesome hi hat bark placement and how it gives the song such a unique feel. Still a good video though, thanks for the content and inspiration!
@@mrbtapir I mean they are all “basicly” just a shuffle. It’s about the subtle feel changes each player has offered over the years. I think Bonham’s style on that song is incredibly unique take on what has been done before, just like pretty much every great player.
Regarding, Tears for Fears - Everybody wants to rule the world: The hi hat pattern is a lot different then what you explained. It’s supposed to be every other triplet accent, starting with the 2nd triplet accent. For example, if we’re counting: 1&a 2&a, only play: _&_ 2_a on the hi hat. Start this video at 6:17 to see what I’m explaining, if what I’m saying doesn’t seem to make sense. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Sro6SSPcvq8.html Other than that, great video! Great lesson for people learning various shuffles!
The kick is also doubled up throughout the whole beat, so you'd hit the kick at the same time as the snare. Kinda like a steady heartbeat. Super clear when you listen to the isolated drum track for that song.
I'd like to mention, the "Porcaro" (or Rosanna shuffle), according to Jeff Porcaro himself, is a combo of the Purdie Shuffle and the Bonham (Fool In The Rain) Shuffle!
I spent 2 days writing this out - I did download the sheet also. Presently I cannot get any speed up on these. I am hoping "muscle memory" will step in once again as she has in the past. Thank you for this shuffle class.
Great lesson. Probably my favorite shuffle lesson on RU-vid! First time I've ever heard someone say Fred Below's name. Always had read it from wiki and liner notes and wondered how to pronounce it.
Look who's using that phenomenal Angel snare as their main snare now?! I wonder why?? It couldn't be the fact that snare is one of the best timbres I've heard with great ranges. I guess that Amazon snare with its own sympathetic resonance wasn't so great, huh? lol. ;) Love your channel, approach, humor, perseverance, feel, and tips. You're a phenomenal player, and you've obviously done your homework! Much respect, and thanks for all you do! I LOVE that snare! I have a pork pie BOB, Pearl Free floater, Pearl SST birch, and a Tama SLP studio maple. That one snare you have covers all the ranges that it takes me a couple snares to cover, except for my brass/metal Pork Pie (my work horse). I'm trading in my Pearl Masters Custom Maple Shells with gold badges (90s edition), with a Gibraltar power rack and original A customs, New Beats, and a Ping Ride and a Supernaturals Divine 22" custom ride (not the newer A custom alloys that are super bright, the first editions). If anyone has suggestions of a good kit to trade up for, I'd appreciate any feedback! I found this place called "Drum Flip" in Vista CA, and they have AMAZING drums, vintage, new, used, Noble and Cooley, C&C, Orange, DW, Ludwig, Yamaha, Pearl, Tama, Gretsch, Sonor etc. I own a Gretsch Catalina 7 piece, the Pearl Masters Custom (original, not with the new badges that look like a PGA golf tournament badge. lol jk), and a Ludwig Breakbeats currently. I had a Sonor 3001 as my first kit and liked it, although cheaper. I'm thinking a Yamaha Tour or higher end PHX (Phoenix), Sonor SQ2, and another Gretsch (probably a renown or better bop). Thanks for any adive or help! Appreciate this community very much! I have a severe back problem (fractured my spine wrestling for school), and shlepping a rack around just to play 1 extra tom isn't feasible for me any longer. I'm perfectly happy with a 4 or 5 piece, and have snares I can keep or trade in too. Thanks again! ....and no, I'm not looking at getting a N.C. or A&F kit. Lol. Happy drumming!
re: johnny cash beat - you can throw in some second-line accents/fills for some extra sauce, it works pretty well. I also do a jazz ride cymbal pattern on closed hi hat sometimes.
I love the sound of this snare (I am a pianist who has 'suffered' playing with hundred of drummers who would turn the snare into a canon...). Thank you 80/20 !
great video and perfect to address the history and players responsible for the grooves, always looking forward to your next videos and never disappointed, it really separates you from the rest of the pack
I loved your comment about Bata drumming! yes I use african 6/8 polyryhthms against the basic 1/2 time shuffle groves all the time. It's those accented middle notes in the triplets that make it hip... and this is where the "Quarter note triplet" Bass drum notes really come from.
I didn't know I needed a video like this until I watched it! Funny that I've always enjoyed shuffle grooves ,both playing them and listening to them, yet never really invested more dedicated time to developing my own execution of the feel like I habitually did with other feels and grooves asked of me in gigs.This upload by 80/20 drummer, Nate, is gold dust in sand. Glad I found it and glad he shared it. No excuse to work on your shuffle fellow drummers, in this video you've a comprehensive database with demonstration. I've my homework set out for me for the next while. Long while!
Love this. Would have loved to hear more about how these feels relate to the metronome...like how Blakey’s shuffle is iconic partly because he swung it “harder”, delaying the skip beats more than a metronomically perfect triplet would be. Having the time constraint is obviously a good idea, but even a sentence on the feely bits of the time on a few more of these examples would be helpful!
This video is dynamite, Nate. Thanks for breaking down these shuffle beats in such an easy to understand manner. I really dig the shuffles you chose to cover, especially the blasts from the past. Thank you.
Reelin’ in the Years by Steely Dan is worth mentioning because it has some of those left hand ghost notes like the Purdie and Rosanna shuffles, but keeps the backbeat on 2 and 4.
Great Video. The last song has always been sort of an enigma for me to figure out how to play it in a way that feels "right". My favorite, however is an electronic shuffle, "Sounds from the Ground - Where the Wild Things Were". Two Snares to get the textures right and wide bass drum dynamics just make it more fun to play than, say, Rosanna....
Great vid. Grapevine Fires by Death Cab for Cutie is a great shuffle and Jason McGerr does a cool hi-hat technique with his shuffles where the chick replaces the hitting of the hi hat on the 3&a
Uhhh, what about the flat tire?? It,s kind of a Chicago blues trick to drive or shuffle hard! Simply ,,, ahh one ahh two ahh three ahh four ,,,,snare bass snare bass,,,similarly! The Texas shuffle is also the KC shuffle. The shuffle pattern on the snare or the thedouble KC both hands playing the shuffle.
Loved the video! In the 80's I had to figure most of the shuffles on my own playing in cover bands. I loved playing "Everybody Wants..." and "Pride and Joy," but "Rosanna?" Not so much!!! That damn fill! Love your stuff, thanks!
Very Nice Job! My "Blakey Shuffle" leaves out one pickup note so my left hand is mostly just grabbing the pickups into 2 and 4 if that makes sense... I remember it feeling really weird at first like reverse "Spang-a-lang" (which is what Freddie Gruber would say when he referred to the Jazz ride pattern. Also if you squish the pickups closer to downbeats it starts to sound more Country - and also more like the Texas shuffle
This was great. Especially the Johnny cash shuffle. Another great shuffler was Brian Downey from thin lizzy. The jailbreak album would be one odd my favourites purely for the song 'emerald'
Jeff Porcaro's shuffles could have taken up three different portions of this video. Not just with Rosanna but also with tunes like Black Friday from Steely Dan's Katy Lied album and of course, Lido Shuffle from Boz Scaggs' Silk Degrees
Great video. On the Rosanna shuffle, Porcaro does often add a ghost note after the hit on three, which is super difficult to get right. He uses that little idiom on other tunes (Mushanga is one). The only shuffle I'd add to the list is Space Boogie (Jeff Beck), but that's more of a "be aware of" than play because it's super hard. But, it is a pivotal example of a double bass shuffle.
Have you tried the flam tap rudiment split between the ride and snare? It’s a Steve Smith thing I think. it’s a jazz warm up I use and it sounds like the moanin’ shuffle. Off set spangalang in both hands without thinking about it too hard.
Loved this one Nate. Shuffles are so darn important and I love playing them. Important stuff. I love the inclusion of the tears for fears. Songs from the Big Chair... classic. And I never associated or really paid close enough attention to notice that Rule the world was a shuffle. And I literally own that vinyl from my 1980s childhood. Great lesson Nate
We need an 80/20 shuffle Which you know is not impossible from the quintuplet approach ;) Next video suggestion: a second batch of shuffles including other famous shuffles that the audience missed in this list, and the (either from a recording or your own) 80/20 swung shuffle
Great video man, thx!!! The only thing is that I would play the tears for fears tune with two hands on the hihat... it’s easier to put is some accent flow to make it groovier... or even with two hats to get a stereo panned sound to the groove...
shuffle drumming in blues-rock: Arrested for Driving While Blind/She Loves My Automobile/dozens more dodgy songs with good shuffle beats (ZZ Top/Frank Beard). every blues-rock band had to have a drummer who could do a good shuffle...
Shuffles are my Achilles heel! Played in a 90s Alternative cover band and none of those songs were shuffles. I'd say I've spent about 50 hours on and off messing with Fool in the Rain and...something is still not right! 😤😡
Off the top of my head I remember simon phillips played a fast double bass shuffle in 7/8 on a tune on Jeff beck’s “there and back” album. The whole album is incredible. I can’t come up with any more right now.
It's the Purdie shuffle with a sweet H-Hat BUT....but what I absolutely love is that feel when JB goes to the ride with straight 8ths and the H-Hat on 2 and 4...boom boom sis bak gum sis boom boom sis back gum sis.....you know what I mean...how sweet was that!
First of all this video made me realize how much I love shuffles in general. I grew up on old blues. Secondly, holy crap tears for fears is a blues band.
Taking the Tears for Fears shuffle further, you can accent every over triplet staring on the 'and' to emulate the percussion on the record. Like this: instagram.com/p/B3r0K5TBdx8/
I'm pretty those accents are on the hats on the actual record. The accented notes might even be the whole hi-hat pattern, shaker is doing the other notes of the triplet.
