Seventh-Day Adventist: Facts & Fables with Pastor Doug Batchelor 

Pastor Doug, I enjoy your sermons immensely. I like you, would love to sit down face to face and have a discussion on your views concerning the Sunday law and how they would come about in these last days. Just as you would love to talk to any minister on our beliefs as Seventh Day Adventist, I would love to discuss the last day events. Who knows maybe the Lord will open a path for the conversation. But it is of great concern to me. As an Adventist myself we hold all things in common in Jesus Christ our Lord. Wonderful New Heart Series you and staff have put out. Thank you so much. I have been very blessed in appreciation for God's guidance in your efforts and wish continued success in the Lord.

@Doug Batchelor Doug Batchelor, you state that the SDA never predicted a date for the second coming. Didn't Ellen White follow the movement that predicted. Didn't she, herself, state that in this scenario: E.G. White prophesied the world would end in 1843, 1844, 1845 and 1851 : "Now time is almost finished, (1851) and what we have been 6 years in learning they will have to learn in months." (Early Writings, p.57). AND "Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters which gave us the day and hour of Jesus coming. When God spoke the time, He poured upon us the Holy Spirit." (Vol.1, p.59) NOTE: In this reference Mrs. White claims that the Lord gave her the day and hour of His coming. In Matthew 24:36, Jesus said, " But of that day and hour knoweth no man , no, not the angels in heaven, but my Father only ." I am a true believer in going to church on Saturday because of Jesus example and because of the 10 commandments. I also am a true believer that Christ will come back as he promised. But I emphatically don't believe that Ellen White was a true prophetess of God. NO TRUE PROPHET OF GOD PREDICTS INCORRECTLY. THE SCRIPTURE TELLS US " If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him" (Deuteronomy 18:20-22,

@@RictorHeidi Dear friend, clearly you have taken Ellen Whites words out of context. It is true that Ellen White proclaimed the "world will end", but she never gave a date nor a time. Even today Adventist believe the world is going to end and end soon, that Jesus is even at the door. This has always been the belief of Adventist and Ellen White also. There is no "time" predicted on when that day will be. Secondly, while Ellen White was in vision and taken down to the end of time just before the second coming of Christ, she spoke of God's people who would witness Jesus's second coming after they had gone through the great time of trouble, after the time of Jacobs trouble, and the enemies of God were about to thrust forward and kill God's children. Then she describes that very moment and time, and references what was happening in both nature and the visible portents of Christ's coming. She mentions the darkness, the light breaking through every now and then, she mentions God's people looking up and then the earthquake and thunders that rolled through the atmosphere of heaven; in all this commotion she then says that they, the children of God, understood what those rolling peels of loudest thunder meant to them, that it was God's voice announcing the "day and the hour" of His coming. She also goes on to describe the wicked who sought to kill God's children as not being able to hear any of the words that God was speaking to His people. I think that maybe you should re-read early writings and compare them with other writings by Ellen White when she speaks of that same event. And carefully understand that she did not say she understood the "day or the hour" in her time, or that she knew the day or hour as God spoke it then, but those in the last day understood that God spoke the day and hour through the great peels of thunder to His people just before Christ's coming. To this day, Ellen White has never referred to any "day or hour" of God's announcement in any of her writings, none. Not once has she ever said what was heard by the voice of God at that moment. But only that those who heard it, understood the words of God's pronouncement of the day and hour. She was in vision, remembering seeing the things that would take place at a future time. She was not there literally, nor has she ever mentioned, or stated that "she" understood in her time the words that God spoke proclaiming the day or the hour. Only those alive in that future time and under those last hour moments in earth's history understood what God had told them. "The voice of God is heard from heaven, declaring the 'day and the hour' of Jesus coming, and delivering the everlasting covenant to His people. Like peals of loudest thunder His words roll through the earth. The Israel of God stand 'listening', with their eyes fixed upward. Their countenances are lighted up with His glory, and shine as did the face of Moses when he came down from Sinai. The wicked cannot look upon them. And when the blessing is pronounced on those who have honored God by keeping His Sabbath holy, there is a mighty shout of victory." GC. page 640. Moreover, she explains often 'why' the hour and day must be kept secret, because if people knew, they would neglect to prepare, and this is obviously God's intent. What good is knowing the day and trying to prepare in the last minute? It would save no one. The work would never have gotten done, characters would never have been formed for heaven, the work in daily trials and overcoming would be put off till the end if ever done at all if the day was many years in the future. There is so much to do now, both in good works, spreading the gospel, caring for the poor, indigent, the widow, the fatherless, and all charity. All these things that form character worthy of heaven, would all be put off and neglected. Man knows not the hour of His coming. We could die tomorrow or next week, then what of character? If put off waiting for 'that day' if all knew when it would be. All these things Ellen White admonished because she did not know the day or the hour, but was impressed and informed of the lack of character we all have that needs to be transformed by the indwelling spirit of Christ before its too late. Get ready! Get ready! Get ready! was her cry to us all.

Thank you Doug for faithfully and truthfully showing others what the Bible says about Seventh Day Adventist’s. God bless.

@@jamesbarfield6870 ADVENTISTS Derek Prince on the definition of a parable: QUOTING It’s good to be with you again at the beginning of a new week, sharing with you Keys to Successful Living, which God has placed in my hand through many years of personal experience and Christian ministry. The title for my talks this week is “The Sheepfold.” It will help you to answer a very difficult, but also very important question: Who really are God’s people in this world? This picture of God’s people is found in a parable of Jesus in John 10. But before we turn to the actual words of Jesus, it will be helpful to say a word about the nature and purpose of a parable. One of the great problems that we all have in apprehending spiritual truth is that we are tied to our senses. We tend to believe only those things which we see and feel and hear and touch and taste. *We think that these are the real things and it’s difficult for us to comprehend or to see the reality of things in another order. And yet we’re not really correct in saying that the things that we apprehend with our senses are the real things: they’re not. The things which are truly real and truly important are spiritual. And they are not apprehended by our senses.* Let me just put before you some words of Paul on this subject. In 2 Corinthians 4:18: *“So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen in eternal.”* (NIV) So what Paul is saying *is just the opposite of what we tend to think by nature.* He’s saying what *we can see is only temporary. It doesn’t last, it’s not permanent. It’s not fully real. But the fully real things are unseen. And he says we fix our eyes on what is not seen.* Again, a little further on in the same letter of Paul, 2 Corinthians 5:7, he says: “We live [or we walk] by faith, not by sight” (NIV). How can we fix our eyes on what is unseen. There is a deliberate paradox there, isn’t it? You can’t see the unseen. But the paradox is deliberate. *Paul is saying, “We’ve got to learn to think differently. The truly real things are the spiritual things that we don’t see.”* Now, one way that the Bible helps us in this matter is through parables. *The parable is a story or a picture of something familiar, material, that everybody at the time of Jesus knew about, but its real truth is not in the natural or the material, it’s in the spiritual.* And everything in the natural corresponds to something else in the spiritual. *And so, the parable becomes a kind of MIRROR reflecting the spiritual and the unfamiliar.* In this way we proceed from the known to the unknown, *which is one of the basic principles of good teaching. And Jesus, of course, was the perfect teacher.* *NOW READ LUKE 16:19-31* LUKE 16:19-31 KJV - There was a certain rich man, which was - Bible Gateway*NOW READ LUKE 16:19-31* *NOW READ LUKE 16:19-31*

only because you don't know the scripture.

@@billclass5847 You don't know the Scripture.

@@JustinDAMusic You don't know of what you speak, my friend. It's you that doesn't know the scriptures.

Larry The Lobster. Amen i also agree because out of All religous groups, SDA Group is the closest to the bible due to my research in the scripture. And thats why i chose to be a part of the Sda movement because i believe salvation isnt a joke, we cannot serve God how we want to, its how God wants us to serve him. So im a proud Sda striving to live sinfree by the Grace of God🙏🏽. God deserves Total obedience not half way/lukewarmness Amen. God bless you

@C.D. Martins No, it's because you don't know the scriptures and some cult deceived you. Let's be honest. There is no such thing as sola scriptura, it's a pure fable scam to convince others they don't form their own opinion based on a very limited amount of knowledge. You don't fool God with that stuff.

You will not be saved if you eat pork or if you do not worship on Saturday?

What you eat or don’t eat is not a salvation issue. It’s a health issue.

​@@tailiu223 check your spelling.

Amen. Praise God. I was baptized Saturday the 26th in SDA church.

10 - 3 - 23 Two days ago SUNDAY PHYSICAL RESURRECTION WORSHIP day was GREAT ! "" I AM the RESURRECTION ! "" John 11 : 25

Hi Jerry! Did you find a church?

GODBLESS YOU friend

Hi Jerry, what area are you in? God bless you 🙏

Lol why would it be occupied on Sunday

And hopefully even more from the Bible 😊🙏🏼

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Me too !! I thank God for this ministry!! ❤️

@@babel1980adam look, bumkis, we don't worship Pastor Doug. We do, however, love how he explains it to us. So why don't you ninkompoops get a better carp! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

@@babel1980adam you're so pompous to assume we don't! 🥺🙄🙄

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The more Adventist you become the more sin, you will do. you will lay sin upon sin and never escape it. You will become blinded to your sin, and pretend that Sabbath keeping will be enough. Even then, you will never keep the Sabbath, but in the depths of hypocrisy you will tell everyone you do. Mountains of sin will bury you because you walked away from the Grace of God.

You are not alone. Even we who grew up in the church have our struggles. Praise the Lord that He has given us the Bible and taught us to pray! He will give us the victory.

@@marvinmeeker584 *How many millions have died, blessing, praising and thanking God for their false teachers and false prophets which taught them.* Christ warned MANY false prophets would come and deceive MANY. Be it known unto you this day, the Adventists and their like, have made you a victim.

Pastor I am very much greatful for Your sermons!! Very uplifting and I am very Greatful to Our Heavenly Father for a classmate who invited me to hear the Heritage Singners and also a Pastor who was having an Evangelistic Series and at the of the series I was baptize. I use to go to a Presbyterian Church in my country with my Family!! I am so happy to be part of God's family that want to obey HIS COMMANDMENTS AND PROCLAIM THE GOOD NEWS THAT JESUS IS COMING SOON TO RESCUE US FROM THIS VERY POLLUTED WORLD!!

The bible gets the feelings of his translators for that reason Wycliffe Bible is the most trustable

You want to learn more ? I have posted 24 different Adventist beliefs that is rooted in the Bible each one about 1:30 hours. If you watch that then you can answer anyone that attacks SDA church.

@@Sirder Yes, I am interested.

@@vettaj9752 Ok I am glad to hear how can I give you the link without any one else to see .

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Praise God for you! Praying for you.

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I prayed for truth about a year ago and God is showing me new truth every day and I can’t get enough. SDA is truth. Keep searching the world, God bless you.

@@MichaelMckamieHunger4truth WORD right?

@@MichaelMckamieHunger4truth that’s so cool Michael… glad you are on board. Is there a SDA in your area? I have one close by that I’m thinking about visiting.

Yes I have one in my town and three more about thirty miles away. I have been to two of them so far.

You mentioned Holy Spirit do they believe speaking in tongues?

@@gabbysgospel No, seventh day Adventists do not believe in speaking in tongues, meaning babel that no can understand or interpret.

Hope you are doing well, Charlie!

2nd corinthians 3 6 for christ have made us able ministers of the new covenant not the letter which killeth but of the spirit which gives Hebrews 8 13 BY CALLING THIS COVENANT NEW HE MADE THE FIRST OBSOLÈTE AND WAT IS OBSOLETE IS OUTDATED AND WILL PASS AWAY

@@charnelallan7159 you’re not making any sense! If you’re trying to tell me that the law of God is obsolete, you’re not making ANY sense, no matter what you quote from the Word of God.

@@TheHolyAvatior Hebrews 8 13 BY CALLING THIS COVENANT NEW HE MADE THE FIRST OBSOLÈTE AND WAT IS OBSOLETE IS OUTDATED AND WILL PASS AWAY

@@charnelallan7159 you’re using Hebrews to let me know that the Law of God, His holy laws that is His constitution, is now deleted? You are fooling yourself! Please read the word with sense. God’s law will never be obsolete! It’s stands forever. No matter what you quote still doesn’t give you any ground that the Law of God is obsolete. So if the law is abolished, so we can sin all we want, right? Please use your brain, think ! Peace be unto you! Please read the same chapter but look at verse 10. That will tell you what the new covenant is! God place His laws in our heats instead of on tablets of stones. That’s what the new covenant is!! Not His destroying His law?? Are you serious!? Why?

Saturday sunset to midnight is the 8th day of the week and that's not the Sabbath.

The Sabbath existed before there was a Jew. Read Genesis chp1.

@@a.lavernefilan1888 you are confusing the calendar wìth Biblical days. The Biblical Sabbath starts at sunset Friday not sunset Saturday.

@@a.lavernefilan1888 not sure where you learned about calendars but there aren't 8 day ones. Sabbath begins on sundown Friday night until sun set Saturday night.

i beleive the sabbath is on saturday, but thats about it. but i like doug batchlor

@@porstmouthstreetpreachers7686 he is good, the Sabbath technically starts when the sun sets Friday and ends on sunset Saturday. It goes back to Genesis, first night and day, day one

@@jmhowell70 who is good, freind?

Jesus was Jewish. Jesus is God! Have a blessed day.

We don't believe in a worldly provocative type of dance.

@@johnriggs3143 quote---We don't believe in a worldly provocative type of dance. unquote QUOTE the bible that says David was dancing provocatively. God said NOTHING to David. But David's wife did. When she complained to David, of course God heard. His reply? Because you have complained about David's joyus dancing to my glory, you will never have a child. (She was baren) . She never got pregnant.

@@mitchellosmer1293 David rejoiced and danced, but not provocatively! Do you even know what it means? Its definition is to Angrily or Sexually display displeasure or sexual pleasure. David did neither one when rejoicing.

@@johnriggs3143 quote--- David rejoiced and danced, but not provocatively! Do you even know what it means? unquote VERY OBVIOUS you Mis-understood my comment!!! I NEVER said David danced provocatively! HIs wife complained to him that his underbody was showing (no underwear) when he went up the steps. Gods was angry at her. She had been barren and because of her complaint, she remained barren. --provocatively #1---in a way that causes anger or another strong reaction, especially deliberately. "she argued provocatively that business owners should put profit before passion" #2---in a manner intended to arouse sexual desire or interest. "you don't need to dress provocatively to attract attention". -----

@@mitchellosmer1293 True, but I stand by my first comment, we don't believe in a provocative nature as SDAs.

A SDA pastor said another SDA pastor is a legalist??

Hahahaha

Go to another church!

Absolutely non. It's either you observe the Sabbath or burn in hell. That's pretty much what they say without saying it. This church is cult based. There doctrines seems convincing but are based of "works" which the Bible doesn't support for salvation. They would deny it but their attitude and actions says otherwise.

@Charles Dada Hey! Great question. Speaking fron personal experience -the best thing to do in this case is to honor God and His word. Take this issue up in prayer and ask God to open a door for you at your job that allows you to be faithful to God with The Sabbath. Be active with this. Look for what other options you have. Some jobs are very accommodating and don't require much, but in the case that is impossible with man, that's ok, it's possible with The LORD. He says in Psalms 37:4 delight yourself in The LORD first, and He will give you the desire of your heart.

The old covenant.

The Sabbath it’s not a Jewish day everybody calls it a Jewish day and Jewish holidays when they are Biblical feast and the Sabbath is a biblical set aside day that God prescribed at the beginning of time those are his days the Jews are the only ones that keep it

You can’t read that in the scripture that Jesus said to change the 7th day Sabbath to 1st day of the week because it’s my resurrection.

Ezekiel 28:19 says the devil will be brought to ashes and never shall he be anymore, for anyone to think or believe that Christ would completely destroy the Father of sin yet burn unbelievers for eternity is not rational.

@johnriggs3143 I don't understand your comment. One says no torment, yet Scripture says torment. I'll stick with Scripture. I thought Adventist's did also. So, why are they saying something that is opposite what Scripture plainly says, or am I missing something here? Also, what does rational have to do with God's words. It is man that is irrational, and thinks they have reason, which is opposite God's will. Throughout Scripture, God tells us the wicked will be punished severely if they don't change their ways. It's a promise. Those who reject God are sent a strong delusion. I think God's words are very clear and substantial on this point. Why teach, assume, or reason otherwise? This may help you. Review Luke 16:19-31; the story from Jesus of the rich man and the beggar, Lazarus, and Abraham.

heidi rictor Hello Hedi, Please watch this video it answers your question. About 20 seconds into the video it quotes Ellen White speaking about this topic.

@@stepstochrist4820 what video? You didn't add a video to watch and the video I've comment on doesn't address it.

heidi rictor I cannot find that quote, I’am interested as to the context of this quote. So if you can link it for me I would really appreciate it. The context of why she said this, I think is crucial.

@@stepstochrist4820 I'm a bit confused by your question. Plus you didn't answer my question. You stated for me to watch a video that answers my question yet you didn't provide a link for said video. Additionally, every quote from my original question came with backing as to where to find it in either Ellen White's books or the Bible. Blessings

heidi rictor I tried looking for the quote you stated but I can’t find it

Because most Christians follow churchianity they’re not actual Christians they’re all feel good people so the devil doesn’t have to bother them

Because there is freedom in Christ. 😁😁😁

@@musicmanucsj what happened to be of one mind and Spirit.

@@musicmanucsj so cults have freedom in Christ SDA JW LDS ect....

Because we have free will ❤

According to the scriptures they should be the only two that has been risen off of the Earth before death and brought up to the throne room

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I think you didn't get the joke. This is to debunked the myths about Adventism. One of which is that we hate Catholics. He did say he didn't know if this actually happened or not, but it was not meant to be taken literally. I've heard this joke being told so many times, for so long. And it's funny, not because it's true, but because of people who are looking from the outside to criticize rather than to know and understand, they hear an SDA talking about the papacy and end time prophecy and they quickly go "oh they hate catholics!" I've never heard anyone say the reformers hated catholic believers, everyone understood they loved the church, wanted to reform it and were against what the papacy was doing. They literally preach the papacy is the antichrist and no one ever says they hated Catholics.

@@joelrios4051 What a bunch of nonsense. No one would ever dung you all say about Catholics that you all do. You call them every foul name ever imagined from an evil heart and murderous heart. I watched a video of Doug Batchelor helping this poor girl be saved from the "pagan sun worship" of the Catholics. When I pointed it out, they quickly took it off RU-vid. You all openly profess "Sunday worship is the mark of the Beast" Which is to imply we worship SATAN. The whole idea behind this Adventist Sabbath keeping stuff is pure marketing and a shameful scam. The Adventist know they don't keep the Sabbath according to the commandment. Moreover, Jesus and 10 commandments are *no more* than a tool to get you to join the SDA. They will do anything to get you to join the SDA . You all make every false promise in order to get members, including the following: * The promise of a Seal of God * IF they keep the Sabbath. * A promise of escaping the tribulation, no where promised to the Adventist's in scripture. * A promise that they can automatically claim to keep the 10 commandments, when they know it isn't true. * A promise of winning a free ticket to be one of the 144, 000. * A promise that God will never leave the Adventist Church, nowhere found in the bible. * A promise of Eternal life for being Sabbath keepers. * A promise of a rapture of the Adventist church, nowhere found in scripture. The Adventist use every trick in the book to get you to join! Everlasting shame on these people! To gain acceptance, and a following, the Adventist's will say anything! They will tell you, that "Oh we believe lot's of people who don't keep the Sabbath will be saved" , when the teach is the same sin a murder and worshiping Satan. The Adventist will tell you they believe in salvation through Christ alone, what they don't say in that is that they mean as long as you are a Sabbath keeping Jew, as Christ was. The Adventist will say, "Oh we love the Catholics" , while they call them Satan Worshipers. The Adventist will say, they do good on the Sabbath day, when what they really mean, is they break the Sabbath commandment and do and speak all manner of evil against Christianity in order to exalt themselves. Like the 10 commandments, For all this bluster and bovarism by the Adventists and others about Sabbath keeping, THEY DON’T keep the Sabbath either. They just SAY they do!

Haters aren't going to heaven, only those who love ye one another.....I don't hate anyone....but learned love concurs All! Bye the way you are loved!

WATER INTO WINE (special cleansing) explained by Pr Walter Veith which makes so much sense! John 2:6 There were 6 jars outside at the entrance to the wedding. These jars held about 20-30 gallons ie 600 litres approx. These were used for purification of jews ie water used for washing hands and feet which was a ceremonial cleansing. This changing water into wine was a representation of Jesus' blood. What Jesus was basically doing/saying was there would be a higher cleansing of this water and if you do not imbibe in that cleansing, you have no part in Him. There is no way Jesus would supply 600 litres of further fermented wine after they had run out. They'd all be super drunk!. Can you imagine Jesus intentionally making an alcoholic drink so people get drunk? Also fermentation is a symbol of sin eg yeast.

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He did not say that he would be with him today, he said I say to you today, that is he spoke to him that day. you have to learn the language of the Hebrew to understand what you’re reading you cannot go by your English translation. Yeshua was in the grave for three days so there is no way the man could have been with him

Incorrect. A few pioneers initially had some of these views but with time and more diligent Bible study those very same pioneers adopted the Trinitarian position.

@@beatricepineda5923 George Knight has said "Most of the pioneers today would not be able to join the SDA Church because they couldn't agree with doctrine number 2 the Trinity" There are still many today that don't agree with the same doctrine Barnhouse and Martin in the 1950s found Adventist literature with both Arian and Trinitarian doctrine and this was an issue on if they could class the Adventists as a cult

So maybe they had a reality check you’re saying that you never did anything wrong and then all sudden changed maybe they repented and found the truth just because they were in sin at one time does not mean they cannot be brought out of it otherwise you’re saying nobody can get forgiveness