4:40 I was wondering why he was throwing out shoryukens at such long range. A few seconds later, it all made perfect sense, and all I could do was scream and cheer along with the crowd.
@duckie258 The Shoryuken motion can be input as Forward > Down > Down Forward > Forward +punches. Notice the last 3 motions(d, df, f=QCF) are the same as the first three motions of your super (QCF). When you do a shoryuken motion, you've already buffered half of your super, so if you input it again right after, the super will come out automatically. It acts as a basic option select against Dhalsim while "fishing" for limbs.
I just realised Daigo didn't have this super bar fully charged at 4:24 and 4:25. I'm guessing if the shoryu lands, it woulda give him enough to charge up the bar. PS: Just look at how fast the shinku followed the shoryu. Nobody in the world has such amazing reaction times unless it's an option select.
@spikeyguy777 Overrated means he doesn't live up to the hype people give him. There are some nuthuggers, but most people aren't exaggerating or unreasonable when they say he's one of the best, if not the best. He's won enough times to earn that title. The whole 'he loses' argument is very weak. Calling someone overrated cause he loses means everybody that anybody looks up to is overrated cause nobody is unbeatable. He's the best because he loses less. Stop being a troll just to be a troll.
watch daigo vs kindevu (ru), really old video. feels like he throws the first couple rounds just to figure him out, as he wins the next three in a row. something to that extent, it's been a while. patented daigo.
@KeenoMajeeno1 Tekken isnt about having characters being balanced. the game only seems that way because everyone is broken in some way shape or form. The inconsistency of Tekken's System doesnt really help it either. mechanics such as throws outright beating striking moves or moves and juggles missing completely sometimes hinders the game. At least SF has core mechanics that characters individually cant take advantage of.
@FiveEcho Yup it's not luck. I think, in my humble opinion, it's called option-select. Basically, Daigo inputs a light shoryu and then a shinku hadoken immediately after. Two things can happen after this combination. One, if the shoryu didn't land, then the shinku won't be executed and Daigo will just do a light shoryu. Two, if the shoryu lands, then the shinku will immediately follow. This explains the numerous 'random' shoryus that Daigo's been throwing out at 4:24 and 4:25 and 4:46.
@knutitup Im pretty sure pros care about the tier list. Most pros main high tier characters....Daigo uses Ryu in sfiv and sf2 and ken in 3rd strike... He alsways uses high tiers. I respect players who can win and compete with lower tiers more than players who win consistantly with god chars. Of course, its play to win man. I dont hate on any players, but Its just annyoing eeing everyone think Daigo is so godly when really hes just completley mastered the basics.
@wDawks Hey, can anyone just tell or teach me how to cancel, because this training trials do not help me...I`d love to cancel that fast, after hours of training, of course...Anyway, this is the best fight I ever saw, remember that Dhalsim is way harder to master and play than the cheap fireball spammer called Ryu-duck, turtle, and only 3-4 things he really does.Epic fight, thanks to the uploader!
there is such thing as bad inputs the shoryuken is one because I don't want to do a shoryuken I'm trying to change hadouken same with falling sky and Change of direction but suddenly get the former when doing the latter in succession for no real reason when taking it slow. mainly cause I buff and hit the DP shortcut and I believe that happened to Daigo at 5:52 and at 6:08 cause by that time Iyo knew what he was going to do
Yes I was talking about the light SRK into ultra, but Shoryuken into FADC REALLY does not take any skill. Dan is one of my mains and he requires regularly doing FADCs much harder than that, and I can pull them off on a 10+ year old IBM keyboard. SRK FADC into ultra is hardly a step above mashing in difficulty, also it's completely save on block and gives the Ryu huge time to confirm.
is no luck when it comes to daigo or poongko. all there moves are predicted before even u see it thats how real street fighter players are. there predict the move before even pulling it
the hell are you talkin bout? i never said anything bout ME at that moment. i was saying Daigo was OUTPLAYED in EVERY round. he got LUCKY that round and squeeked out that win.
@scribecity Yes he does win a lot, but he is not unbeatable. He loses.He is not undefeated. In fact his Win/Loss ratio is 86.24% that means he has actually LOST before, I know most Daigo fanboys cant seem to grasp that. And in Japan, he has lost before too. In most tournaments he in America, not all the best Japanese players even showed up.
I get sworn at a lot, and get negative reviews for "poor sportsmanship" (since I taunt a lot and if I really murder a Shoto with Dan I'll PM them with the message "YAHOOOOO"). Seth is my other main and I consider myself pretty decent with him (I get a dizzy almost every round in G2 tournaments, I've perfected Zangiefs that weren't stupid), so I'm not very popular in general.
He's not talking about combos. He's talking about how braindead easy it is to Shoryuken everything without even necessarily outsmarting in the opponent. It's a panacea that is overpowered even at these high levels of play. Also, Ryu's combos ARE very easy. I can do them all on my 10+ year old keyboard I bought used for 5 dollars. Shoryuken into ultra doesn't even take timing.
ok daigo is good...but he really lost this fight...that round where dhalsim had him with the heavy punch but he had like .0000001% life bar left....dhalsim was robbed.
@reptilianism420 We agree to disagree. I've been playing since Turbo Hyper Fighting. Unless you consider a throw cheating, he won the match with honor. He used one of Ryu's moves to win. But we agree to disagree. It's all good. We all love Street Fighter and that's what matters most.
Mastering the basics is key to being good at anything. All high level players have mastered the basics. As for the tier system it doesn't mean jack, If all the high level players used Claw(Vega in America) he would be the hi-tier everybody bitched about. Thats how the tier system works.
HOLY shit! Iyo best dhalsim ive seen!!!! almost had him until that double ex at the end bet he was sweating it! but still calculated as anything Daigo trying to get up close and shut him down that low slide caught him out a few times in the first 2 rounds epic fight 5*****
That's because Ryu was hit mid air with a punch from Dhalsim. Naturally if its not a knockdown hit (like a shoryu instead), Ryu would just flip back and he will become invincible until he drops down to the ground. And while you're in the ground, EX shoryus practically escapes everything.
He still picks the most overpowered, braindead simple characters all the time (he played Ken in 3rd Strike remember). Just because he can win frequently doesn't mean he's the best player. If Capcom games were ever properly balanced, I doubt he'd have the reputation he does today.
@Noraa3903 Dude...get a life that was....3 months ago, you haven't seen me play beside my youtube videos playing Abel which are about 8 months old..... so I'm not sure how you can measure my level of ability now compare to 3 or 8 months ago
You don't think Ken is overpowered? You don't think Urien's Aegis Reflector traps are overpowered? You don't think that Yun's ridiculously fast charging, enormous damage combos that land from the slightest of punishing hits are overpowered?
if you were at that moment, yes I agree you would lose. But that was Daigo at that moment, he didn't mind 't care about his health too much till he was done. That's why even with one HP, he still remains calm and find the way out.
Iyo should have won, he pwned the spammer in the first 3 round...Maybe he should not count on Dhalsim`s ling hands so much in the end of the 3rd round, instead a well timed teleport would have done the trick, or a focus +...
Notice that when Daigo dashed -> whiffed SRK, he dashed into Dhalsim's poke range. If he was strictly trying to be conservative with fireballs, he would not have taken the risk of dashing into Dhalsim's poke range.
Iyo got caught a few times there but had me worried! Dai got a few bad inputs there from if you look closely he was trying to do Hadouken(smart move) and suddenly SRK and yes even pros make mistakes under the pressure
Iyo could've won. I noticed when Daigo almost died Iyo started to do light punches, and they're not the extending ones. He messed up bad when Daigo made a shoryu mistake. He shouldn't have underestimated a comeback -_-.
Some of the English voices are actually good though. Rose, Rufus, Seth, Guile, Boxer, Claw, and to a lesser extent Dictator all have excellent ones in my opinion. Most of those fit better than the Japanese ones I think.
@rividizd I never said I could beat him, but im sure a big Daigo fan like yourself could find the videos of him losing. In fact, I know Ive got one of Momochi whooping him on my favorites :)
You don't have to be Daigo to recognize good baiting. It's pretty blatantly obvious that what Daigo did there was calculated. Only a SRK would allow Daigo to properly combo into his Super.
The whiffed SRK before the SRK -> Super was merely bad prediction. It was completely intentional. I mean seriously, why else would Daigo have buffered a Super from the successful SRK at long distance?
yea but he didnt finish!!!!! so thats his fault!!!! your saying it like someone blew this game for him!!!! he lost it cuz daigo never panics!!!! daigo came back and beat him!!!!! end of story!!!!
@kingoffighterz if by "bad matchup" you mean "is 5-5 and completely even" then yes its a bad match up for ryu. pro tip- ryu doesnt have any bad match ups, its why he's so damn good.
they wrere both on there on there gane the biggest differnce is that iyo couldnt close out and daigo even with low health keeps applying pressuse and i think that throws alot of people off
he was fighting Daigo and Daigo is a monster =.= only half second without cautious, Iyo could eat a combo. I think because of that, Iyo didn't take a risk to teleport at that close range.
@duckie258 Basically Daigo just does a light shoryuken every so often to try and catch the very end of Dhalsim's hand. He inputs the motion for a light shoryuken plus he inputs a quarter circle forward plus hard punch right after the shoryuken. So if he misses the limbs he'll just do a shoryuken and he'll be in the air so Ryu's super won't come out accidentally since he's in the air, But if he connects with the limbs then he'll cancel the shoryuken straight into Ryu's super & it should hit
@throxnet I'm sorry, but I had to "Google Translate" what you just said and apparently you told me to "shut up". Sorry if I frustrated you or offended you in some way in my past comments, but none of my comments were offensive, but neutral and uplifting to those with any doubt in themselves, or envy against someone with a good experience in something they enjoy in life. I have no idea to as "why" you would tell me to "shut up" in Chinese, but I guess to each his/her own.
@y0uthanas1a i did not at all say all characters are made to be close i said they designed those characters to fight up close then design one that God like at keeping u out so its a game of cat and mouse that shouldnt be there and before u even go to the i jus lose to Dhalsim so im hating on him no im not i actually fight pretty good against them and know how to fight against them but it still doesnt take away from the fact that he is cheap cheese and yes i kno he isnt easy to use
@TheDjalaric No your missing my point. Lets get this straight. My issue is not beating a Dhalsim I win Majority of the ones I face against. Im not on of those guys that hate just because i lose or something. I dont like the fact that in this fighting game they would even create a character like him... not because he is hard to use i kno ita takes great skill to use him its just the fact that they said hey lets make a character that basically keeps u away the whole match.... why??
first off i'd just like say that was a good dhalsim and secondly daigo umehara! the man is champ, plays like a champ he switches his game up at the last round get's all up in dhalsims face and he aint got no answer. That's the hallmark of a champ in any field they are able to bring it on in various ways when the situations dictates it and that takes more than just plain skill u need nerves of steel and u need true belief that wat u're doing is right for the occasion.
Now I know I'll get trolled for saying this but every man/woman has their best game. For example, many of the Daigo vids I have seen he is very good at 1v1 like games such as the Street Fighter series.[Especially with the parry or focus like skills]And Justin Wong is very good at team based arcade games such as the Marvel vs. Capcom series. But every man/woman has their best game and I don't think either Daigo, Justin Wong, or anyone "sucks". Just find the game your good at and show the world.=)
@knutitup I know what you mean, but in actuality, pros do pay attention (perhaps closer attention) to the tier list. After all, tier lists are match up ranking created and compiled by the pros. For pros, it means the difference between pay day and a major loss. For more casual players, tier lists shouldn't play too big of a role. But I hear what you are saying, people should pick the one you like and play it well by learning the match-ups.
@spikeyguy777 Dont get me wrong... I know he loses. But, its not very often he loses. Just about all of the tournaments that I have seen him play, he has won. He won Evolution, he won this tournament, and he won a gang of tournaments in Japan. If he is doing all of this winning, how can he not be that good? I still dont get it. you have to explain it to me cause youre not justifying your answer.
Sleeping.......against Daigo? You are completely overrating the Dhalsim Game. He is doing everything he can to keep Daigo from pounding his face into the ground. If Ryu gets in close to Dhalsim it becomes a huge momentum shift for Daigo. Playing keep-away with range as long as the screen itself is not some kind of brilliant strategy (though the execution by Iyo is amazing). The brilliance in this match is that Daigo is able to capitalize on the microscopic mistakes of a great Dhalsim player.
If you had read my post you would've known I'm aware if that. Yes I know he's supposed to be played like that, but still someone who wants to master dhalsim basically wants to 'hit and run' the whole time. I don't blame the player for that, dhalsim has no other options.People only try to master Dhalsim if they want to avoid intense combat, if they won't, they'll lose.Therefore I just don't like playing Dhalsim matches (like most people).but that's personal. So please:) think before you diss^^
"cancelling" Basically just means *As the ANIMATION for 1 move is coming out you input the command for a 2nd move that it will combo into* An easy cancel would be Quarter circle down to forward punch *with ryu to throw a fireball* and then immediately doing ANOTHER quarter circle down to forward and hitting punch again for the super so you'd do DTF Punch DTF punch quickly and what would come out is 1 fireball...then super...and it would combo, if that makes sense.
He wasn't outplayed every round. 1st round Daigo got owned by Iyo's zoning 2nd round Daigo started slow but eventually got inside to set up his pet SRK FC ultra combo and ultimately won the round 3rd round was a coin toss Iyo just won 4th round was a setup/trap...why else would he be throwing SRK a full screen away? notice he did 2 in a row? Iyo could resist hitting C.hp to finish the round on the 2nd one and paid the price.
Two misplaced anti airs from Iyo in the final round. He must be kicking himself for that. I can imagine with this sort of crowd it is very difficult to keep composure.
@KeenoMajeeno1 if you didnt, then you'd have tekken 6. Everyone with insane combos and launchers and generally rushing down being the only option in tounament play.
just realised it now, i though you mispelled ryu, lol. sorry, but its becouse some people take this WAAY too much serious, and i though you were one of the weird ones.lol
I heard Daigo once looked at Chuck Norris and Chuck Norris died. Chuck Norris's cowboy hat flew off when this happened and Daigo parried it before it hit the ground.
@Sephlock Have you "read" my comment fully and get what it means? Just asking. It's saying that i don't think anyone "sucks". I think everyone has their best game and bad game. I just wish people would recognize that more often instead of bashing people because they are really good at a game. So much hate in the world now. =(
@IznoLTB currently rufus and akuma are of higher tier ranking. abel, chunli, boxer, honda are the same tier rank as ryu. why is daigo STILL a dominant character. why doesn't he use akuma instead of ryu if you think daigo plays by the tier list? why does j.wong (who uses rufus) lose to daigos ryu (which is of lower tier ranking?)
@LegendaryFrost Beasting... Calculated Enemy's weaknesses and failures made a plan and executed...Thats how he took so amazingly the game with those last 2 rounds..TRully Iyo is an awesome player and most probly the Best Dhalsim with awesome zonning skills but Daigo took advantage in close combat range and won..
fucking daigo. you're thinking "daigo doesn't seem all that great. i fucking kicked his ass in round 1. yeah! i got the lead, yeah, yeah, yeah!!!" but, what he's really doing is studying your weaknesses and tendencies. like the counter shoryuken>metsu hadouken that won him round 4...that shit was trademark daigo right there.
Spamming, Turtling, Zone Control - whatever it takes to win. That what matters - as long as you are not using some lame turbo button on your Fight Stick then do what you can. There are no rules. Turbo buttons and Preset Controllers are cheating however - and to me that is what a scrub is...someone who uses one or both of those two things.
i disagree sim had a much better game play in the prior rounds. a dhalsim player tends to over estimate the sheer overall skill of a ryu player. ie. ryy hits harder and he is skillful. when i play with my sim i sleep on ryu countless of times to my dimise. though i regret. sim was sleeping in that last round. he shouldve had it.
he's doing crouching light punch because it looks at the beginning it looks like a standing fierce. It's how Iyo use to confuse his opponents on when he'll throw his standing fiece because they are so easy to counter. Iyo was baiting Diago to try to Shoyuken he's standing fierce when he's actually throwing crouching jab.
he baits with a hadouken and then predicts dhalsim would stretch his arms so he can counter with a shoryuken...dont see how that is a bad input, its just a bad prediction. it worked out for him when he did a shoryuken from full screen to a slow shinkuhadouken that won him a round. no such thing as bad inputs sorry, you got nothing to blame but yourself
maybe but he still has to beat other players who use the same character... and in SF3, ChunLi +33 and Yun +31 are better than Ken +22 (source eventhubs). But I agree that if he were to use a low tier and win, that would be even more impressive... except he plays for money. in a way, why bother playing to lose?
You aren't spouting "internet lingo", you're just not making any sense. What the hell is "they cheered for daigo for different reasons.... and it does make it better than others" supposed to mean? Since you admitted to being a no lifer, I assume you spend alot of time on the net. Just don't drop out of school, man.
Why would someone NOT use one of their tools to win a match? You probably really hate when someone starts using hadoukens because you aren't good enough to get around them. People say the same thing about Guile and his sonic booms... apparently not knowing that Guile only HAS 2 special moves. Learn some actual skills; I guarantee you'll find yourself whining less.
so your saying a single regular not ex shoryuken doing more damage then most character Super Arts is not overpowered? hahaha Just their jump in round house kick and roundhouse sweep does a ton of damage for regular moves! oh what is noob supposed to be ah bad word on the internet now? lol doesnt phase none.
Not much has changed since street fighter 2 (snes/sega arcade) all the moves are still the same, its even a little faster, I do give a damn if someone won anything or if they just started playing, it is the same game with some a few new moves...thats it..and as for the projectiles spamming bitchs....i hate that shit too
Daigo plays with whoever gives him the best advantage. He played with Ken in III because they suped him up like crazy. The main advantage for Ryu in IV is his Super and Ultra, all he has to do is get his opponent in the air and he can hit, whereas with Ken you're forced to combo into it. But with Ryu? Medium Shoryu, dash cancel, instant Super/Ultra opportunity.
5th round another coin toss. Iyo just won 6th round was close. Daigo won again with his pet ultra finish 7th Daigo completely domnated How was he OUTPLAYED every round? You do realise his Ryu will generally take damage first trying to get in range. Losing half your lifebar and coming back to win the round doesn't mean you're outplayed
.0000001% life is still life. as much as i love iyo, since i play sim as well, daigo won that round. he knew iyo was gonna poke him at that moment and he countered with shoryuken into super. this is the only match i see daigo throw random shoryuken but its to keep the sim honest and not throw too many random pokes. it worked in daigo's fav this time.
@FiveEcho Yes, Daigo definitely doesn't fit the definition of spammers. Spammers are people who try to get AWAY from the opponent just to fire their projectiles.
you think daigo gets hits ast the beginning of rounds on purpose, just to mount epic comebacks? he seems to be able to do them whenever he feels like it >_>
You fail. I was talking about Shoryuken into ultra as an example of Ryu's ridiculous damage returns for no effort or setup, not what was done in the video.
Really sad to see such a great Dhalsim lose. If those trades into supers and ultras weren't the most blatant example of Shoto cheesiness I don't know what is.
I agree completely. jab jab jab throw has been known as "cheesing" since day one of street fighter. the dhalsim kid played much better than this ryu newb.
lol. I don't blame Ryu hadouken spam cause Capcom made the game that way. If Ryu doesn't have hadouken then what Ryu can do? But I do blame Akuma hadouken spam.
@legendaryhero90 no Tekken and SF are far from the same.. Even though they are working on TekkenXStreetFighter this and that are totally different I dont play Tekken but i will say atleast there about having all the characters on the game able to compete on a equal level with out bs advantages
@TheDjalaric its Street Fighter man I dont get why its so accepted that he was designed to play from far back when alllll the others are designed for close.. Its like they create a paradox of us trying to get in him trying to keep out why have a (Fighting) game that way
@b7ray32 It was not even so much that Ryu got on top of him. If you watch that last round he missed his back HK when Daigo jumped in and he got that 12 hit combo off. Is it just me or did Iyo seem to start playing worse and worse as the rounds went on or was it just that Daigo got better?
