Shadow The Hedgehog is Faster than Sonic! | Treesicle 

Hi! We figured out that Shadow is faster than Sonic, so it's time for another question. Am I faster than YOU?! What do you think? I say...YES >:) mwahahhahhaha

Why did the Ultimate Lifeform turn out to be a hedgehog

Grant: Shadow, the edgy- Me: You can stop talking, I love him already.

Eggman outruns them both. Nuff said.

"Nintendo gave Shadow his own game"

0:42 Wait, Nintendo is responsible for Shadow the Hedgehog? And here I thought only Sega could make a game that bad.

"Where is that damn fourth chaos emerald"

Do gohan the story you never knew

that shadow game was awesome. #Shadow

Wait a sec AMY has those same ring bracelet things 😨😨😨 so is any darker than we think.

Don't forget that Eggman is the fastest.

your saying how his shoes are like rockets, but what is the fuel? WHERE, is the fuel. Unless Shadow himself. he is the one powering the shoes, focusing his energy into the shoes, and it shoots out like a rocket.

But what if sonic isnt showing his true speed /0o0\ DUN DUN DUNNNNNN

Love how you say Shadows shoes raise him above the ground (kinda like air hockey) but the scene you mention it is him halfway in snow running

Sonic's speed is almost impossible to determine. We are told he can run faster than the speed of sound, but he never actually does this in a game. I mean, it would be incredibly hard to control if he actually did run that fast, so I can see why he would be scaled down. But then you have the "Light speed Shoes", which allow Sonic to travel along paths of rings at... light speed? I don't know, should we take that literally? It's kind of hard to believe, but maybe Sonic never reveals himself either, for the same reason that Shadow does. I mean, the entire purpose of the Ultimate Lifeform was to channel Chaos Energy, but Sonic did that FIRST. Without being designed to, he just could. It's entirely possible that Sonic and Shadow are equals, but they both scale themselves down equally. I don't know, though, Sonic doesn't strike me as being that smart. Either way, Shadow is the one constantly running missions and training, while Sonic lazes around. Shadow should be able to beat him, faster or not.

I’ve seen shadow run in the comics (without his sole shoes) and he seems to run at the same speed as sonic. Shadow is faster and more powerful than sonic, but sometimes having too many attacks confuses the user instead of using his good ol’ trusty moves (like sonic: spin dash, homing attack, and just keep running)

not trying to be cancerous, but in the sonic comic issue 175, when egg man destroys sonic`s home in his new egg suit. He constantly mocks sonic until he snapps and disappears, snivly then looks for him on the map and we can see that egg man was in the center of the continent (which was basically America), and that sonic was at the edge of the continent in less than 4 seconds. I´m sorry if I sound like a butthurt sonic fan but I would just like to point that out.

1:10 that's where you went wrong sonic was declared faster by shadow himself

you know there could be more about shadow that is unknown. like... a strange power that no one knows about

Wow...he's fast! Hey, it's not his speed. He must be using the Chaos Emerald to warp!

I think treesicle might actually be better than game theory.

shadow is above aLL MY FAVORITE CHARACTER so this was good knews for me! this was a good theory ;)

I don't find this hard to believe since Metal Sonic is faster than Sonic.

Wait... why would assume that "power" equates to speed? Your footage showed that removing his restraints lets Shadow smash tons of enemies, but by your own evidence he didn't actually get FASTER.

0:40 Shadow the Hedgehog (game) was made by Nintendo ?

Everyone knows that shadow is the fastest

Those shoes actually slow him down. Imagine if shadow took off all those restrictors AND his shoes, he would hypothentionally be fast enough to not use chaos emerald!

*BOW YOUR HEAD LOW! ALL HAIL SHADOW*

wrong Mario is faster than both. but hey that's just a... I'll show myself out

Shadow is the fastest because....he is the ultimate life form. Case closed.

You know, based on that clip you showed from 06, i think shadow has as much chaos energy as 4 emeralds. During the fight, Mephiles has 2 chaos emeralds in his possession which he uses to create an insane amount of clones. And Shadow simply removes 2 inhibitor rings and absolutely destroys them. So assuming each ring inhibits the same amount of Chaos energy, Shadow has enough power in him equivalent to 4 chaos emeralds. And it's probably even more if you factor in Mephiles' raw power.

*If I had to guess, I'd say that, taking all your reasoning into account, Shadow is faster, stronger, and a better hand-to-hand combatant than Sonic but only in their standard forms. As super-hedgehogs, I'd speculate that they're probably equals:* *1) Despite the levels you mentioned being called "Mach speed zones", Sonic has never been shown running in any game at what would be visibly or physically equivalent to mach speed-* Were that speed fully translated & represented in gameplay, even Mach 1 would make it borderline-impossible to control Sonic while navigating the environments. Our eyes wouldn't even be able to keep up with or make sense of the surroundings because that's how fast Mach speed is. *2) Sonic changes speed depending on terrain and circumstances in battle, so it stands to reason that he typically holds back his true speed as well-* If Shadow can control and change his level of exertion & speed output, there's no reason Sonic couldn't. If the Blue Blur literally always ran at top-speed, the trail of sheer force created behind him would be massive, especially wind-force as he passes objects (Ex- *Ghost Rider, Matrix Reloaded* ). Not to mention, the exhaustion. *3) While ground and air resistance are avoided in Shadow's case, he still relies on the technology of his shoes to match Sonic's speed. Therefore, it's possible that his power in sneakers under leg-power alone would be inferior-* Granted, as you said, Shadow's "Inhibitor Rings" on his wrists & ankles restrain him. So it's entirely plausible that the opposite is true. If Shadow ran without rocket shoes or any rings, his speed and power could highly increase. However, as we haven't yet seen Shadow run without rocket shoes or ankle-rings, there's no evidence to support that factoring into the true NATURAL extent of his speed. Then again, some fans have theorized that the source of Sonic's speed is actually in his shoes? *4) Both hedgehogs display almost immeasurable increase in speed, strength, and power in super-forms-* Both can move at high speed without running due to levitation, although Shadow has displayed "Chaos Control" in the *Shadow the Hedgehog* game allowing him to zoom through levels even outside super-form. As we've never seen Super-Sonic or Shadow pushed to their limit in the games, it's as yet unknown which would be faster if they went all-out in these forms. *Overall, there's still too many unknowns to factually prove who's faster. But I think that's the point of their rivalry.*

omg im not the only one who noticed the other rings yesssssssss

So if shadow had no rings he would be faster than ever

"Nintendo gave him his own game" what? Also that's not what Alter-Ego means.

I wonder what would an ultimate life form hedgehog would taste like?

You forgot to mention that WHILE its true the more inhibitor rings he removes the stronger he becomes, it is also the quickest way he will use up his energy and become fatigued. While his inhibitors do hold him back they are also what helps him have god like endurance to the point where leaving them on wont matter much in most cases because he will out endure his opponent.

I've heard of this for over a decade now due to Shadow's run skill card in Sonic Battle, which is faster than Sonic's.

Sonic is confirmed to be faster than light in Sonic colors. Checkmate

I really think you need to sit down with Mattpat and have out why you feel like you have to prove yourself compared to him. I love you both for different reasons and I think you can be confident in yourself as a theorist

Edgy-mc-Shadow here is the first ultimate gary stu and is the king of all Edgy-mc-perfect people.

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Until I see Shadow run so fast that he goes back in time or through different dimensions, he will never be faster than Sonic.

"Holes in the soles" Lol

3:26 OH MY GOD, YES. SONIC ADVENTURE 2 B*TCH, SONIC ADVENTURE 2

This is a cool theory, really enjoyed this. I almost forgot about the other two inhibitors on Shadows ankles, it's pretty safe to guess that we haven't seen his full potential. I've always loved how Shadow seemed to have additional powers/techniques, based upon his advanced control over chaos energy. But despite all that, I've been imagining for a while now that the only reason Shadow could keep up with Sonic was because of chaos control constantly being used in unison with other tricks during all their encounters to even the playing field. Shadow may very well have an edge in variety and uncertainty. But what's that worth when there are obvious examples in past games to suggest that Sonics base power, his speed included, has improved tremendously over time. Maybe beyond anything Shadow is currently capable of, in terms of said speed.

Great logic for the most part, but saying that Sonic can run at mach 1 because he has sections called "Mach Speed Zones" is not evidence for his speed at all. Now I'm not saying that Mario is faster than Sonic but I don't think we ever get Sonic running at scaled mach 1 (where the distance he travels in a given time frame is enough distance to qualify him for traveling at mach 1 when scaled to Sonic) in any of the games. It's completely irrelevant to your claim though and its really great so keep up the good work :)

Sonic is faster than Shadow! Shadow is stronger than Sonic!

I mean yeah, if shadow doesn't allow himself to be prohibited, then he could be faster, but in a Lockstin/Gnoggin therory, Sonic naturally limits himself as well, creating a once again fair fight. Its still very hard to say.

Shadow: why hello perfect cell of the sonic universe here

"Shadow is faster than sonic" *Uses sonics speed from sonic 06* Yep.. I bet he is

4:33 So Shadow is Broly now XD

such a unexpected video I love it

who is stronger if sonic turns into golden sonic and if shadow released his rings who is stronger?

I'm faster than that faker

I completely forgot about shadows inhibitor rings for like two years.

"Sonic Adventure 2 gave us a new character, Shadow The Hedgehog." And Rouge.....

0:40 you just committed the biggest sin in the Sonic franchise! You punishment is kissing a dead hedgehog!

Shadow's role was to be sonics twin

More Shadow fanboys dickriding. As of 06 Sonic is the FASTEST Hedgehog. Just PLAYING AROUND he can MATCH SHADOW. Pissed off Dark Sonic = Overkill. Shadow is = to Happy-go-lucky Sonic, not SERIOUS Sonic.

I honestly thought those rings on his ankles were also inhibitor rings, but I never thought they'd limit his speed.

THIS THEORY IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Didn't shadow literally state that Sonic was faster tho

shadow is faster by science. his shoes has no traction.

i think the shoes shadow wears is how the rings on his angles hold up

The problem with Shadow taking off his inhibitor rings is that he only gets a short term power boost from doing that as it causes him to drain all of his stamina at once, causing him to almost faint after he runs out of energy. Sonic doesn't have that stamina problem. I heard from other people that there is also a chance that his body would take damage from the unrestrained chaos energy coursing through his body, the damage could sometimes be enough to kill him.

Interesting theory, and I think it is probably correct all except for the extrapolation to shadow's reasoning. He is probably faster at full power, but the inhibitor rings are likely less about blending in and more about his body being unstable if he soaks up that much chaos energy consistently. at least that is my reading of the situation.

You're jumping to conclusions, you even said that he has rocket shoes to make him go faster, even if he took the inhibitor rings off his shoes it would still be the shoes that are making him faster. I doubt that if he were to take his shoes off and then take the inhibitor rings off the shoes that he would be the one getting faster.

Shadow is my favorite =3

I think your misunderstanding Chaos energy and how it works in the sonic universe. The inhibitors limit the users usage of the chaos energy. Allowing shadow to use chaos spear and ect from his hands. and spread it out from the rest of his body, And who's to say that shadows rings around his ankles are indeed inhibitors? and not actual rings? If shadow was that powerful, why would he need to call upon the power of the chaos emeralds to defeat devil doom and Biohazard? Did you neglect the fact that sonic can travel at light speed? And that shadow natively uses chaos control to move freely through time because the chaos energy is already in his body? And if shadow was indeed "faster" than sonic. Why did he constantly need to use it against his enemies when he could just release it? And again, why would the ultimate life form become a hedgehog? Throughout the sonic series, shadow has always been sonics rival. and if he wanted to destroy the world at one point, then what would be the point in holding back? Lets also remember back when shadow had to (but didnt need to) use the power of the real chaos emeralds in SA2 and future series. Sonic used Negative emeralds and fake gems to perform the same abilities shadow could. It's even referenced that sonic can move so fast that time "Stops" moving. I feel like there was alot of stuff that was left out for both sonic and shadow that should've been looked over before making this theory. Besides even shadow stated in sonic chronicles that sonic is faster, while shadow is more brute strength. Just want to note that shadow still isn't stronger than knuckles. which is also proven. This is literally like saying Vegeta is stronger than Goku. Vegeta trained harder. Goku has kaioken. EZ.

Sonic is faster than that faker but i like him

Lets just say That shadow is a ultimate lifeform created with dr.robotnick & aliens Shadow is an upgraded version of sonic & he is faster then sonic (72638283729293729937392737392639times faster than speed of light.) And when he uses the chaos powers he becomes super form Wich makes him faster & stronger At super form he can fly and unleash chaos spear But in other universes he can transform without using chais emeralds (Hyper shadow) hyper shadow is basickly a god that can travell threw time and even absorb inginete amount of energy and become stronger (Dark shadow) ... dark shadow is a demented beast that kills without thinking (Chaos blast) chaos blast is the blast that soraund shadow and kills EVERY THING IN 1 strike!! Btw sub and comment if i should be making maths and stuuff

Physical I have school how fast Sonic was and she's hit in Google Play Sonic free I mean mach speed of 3 so yes he is faster than

My favrite is shadow

I would love to see Shadow take all 4 rings in project Sonic 17

0:53 Thank you Nintendo for Shadow the Hedgehog

**cough** Archie Sonic **cough**

Sonic can run faster than the speed of light Shadow could never keep up with sonic

i dont see how shadow is faster than sonic... shadow's shoes NEGATE friction... so how does he generate momentum?

shadow is not faster than sonic

Shadow has always been the best thanks for confirming, but you missing those rings @1:40 makes me cringe

#Sonic is faster

I want Sonic to be faster. Because if he isn't, what does that make him?

Shadow:I am faster then sonic and I’m the ultimate lifeform Sonic:your not faster then me Me:yeah Sonic and shadow:.. Me:what?

If that's true then why does everyone say "sonic is the fastest thing ALIIIIIIIVE!

I always figured that Shadow needed his inhibitor rings to keep his energies stable. without them he goes almost super for a short time before burning out. Where as Sonics natural abilities are stable as per course.

Wow this video was actually educational. Your theory on the Ring Inhibitors actually makes sense to why you don't see him remove it from his ankles. It's possible that removing the inhibitors on his wrists makes Shadow stronger while removing it on his ankles would make him faster. I've always found Shadow to be faster because of his hover shoes. Since Shadow isn't touching the ground when he runs (skates) would mean he can become faster than Sonic, who needs to physically touch the ground, when he runs. Again awesome video!

Shadow is the BEST Sonic character. just saying.

Also note that sonic can literally run at the speed of LIGHT and surpass the speed of sound.

I like the video but, Sonic is Faster than Shadow by a little bit. Because Sonics speed with Classic Sonic is 193 billion times the speed of light. But alone is 765 mph.

i honestly still think sonic is faster because we dont see him go faster than sonics max speed and that we know that sonic can break the time barrier with his speed. also because it wouldnt make sense for a sega to do that to shadow they need sonic faster shadow stronger

0:42 - "To the point that NINTENDO gave Shadow his own game" ????

I like Sonic and Shadow the same I mean shadow faster but I still like Sonic

Sonic would be screwed if shadow took off all the inHailerwings

Lol his fastest speed is 670 or 675 sonic's can go up to755 i think but I know it is 700

Who loves Shadow The Hedgehog

To correct u at 1:49 Sonic actually can go up to Speeds of Mach 3

0:41 ...Boi. Sonic is a Sega franchise. Not Nintendo lol.

It's definitely cause shadow would die if he took off the rings and pushed himself for too long. Not because he's faster than sonic but because he would over expire due to his imperfections as a clone

Shadow > Sonic That's it.