Always remember the Buddha Shakyamuni’s teachings. Then search our own hearts to detect any traces of the three poisons as we approach these unfortunate controversies. Be courageous and patient to use the Dharma to help us seek the truth, and then rejoice in following the truth whole-heartedly. Sometimes the deepest and vastest compassion is expressed by silence, especially in Tibetan Buddhism. The diamond cannot be tarnished🙏🙏🙏 Karmapa Kyenno🙏🙏🙏
o.k. and how many speak or understand tibetan , this is not a tibetan issue only , i am also a member of the Kagyupa sangha , so i would like to know what our Sharmapa has to say , please if possible let subtitles go , should be no problem and i would be very thankful for it or to put it this way i would appreciate it very much
When Jamgon Rinpoche got accident in Siliguri, driver Tenzin Dorje said, "After the mechanic told him drive fast for test, I and Rinpoche went to take test on Sevoke road and while car was speeding, Rinpoche saw a bird on the road and he thought it would be killed by his speeding car and with great panic, he made big noise and distorted my attention. Due to the destruction to my attention, car weird off from road and hit the tree. Rinpoche was killed on the spot". This is the real story of Rinpoche's death and Shamar planning to prove conspiracy against Situ is not fair. On the other hand, Situ do have bad intention in the mission of finding 17th Karmapa.
Ogyen Dorje Does this mean that None of the Karmapa are real Karmapa??? Where is the real one??? Who is Orgyen Rinpoche??? And the 16th Karmapa haven’t left any prediction letters and symbols??? Too many questions😶😶😶😶😶
(1) Decades ago, the Shamarpa asked the Dalai Lama to endorse Thaye Dorje as the Karmapa. Shamarpa proved to the Dalai Lama that Thaye Dorje was the Karmapa. The Dalai Lama still refused as it will make the Dalai Lama look bad for endorsing Ogyen Trinley. ~ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-QJJXYAz3Bz0.html It is known that Tai Situ Rinpoche recognized Ogyen Trinley by stealth. Tai Situ Rinpoche used the Dalai Lama's fame to promote his Ogyen Trinley candidate in order to secure the Karmapa wealth of many generations. (2) Even though the Dalai Lama endorsed Ogyen Trinley as Karmapa, Thaye Dorje could not be restrained and continues to grow immensely in popularity all over the world. Even without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is growing in importance. Tai Situ Rinpoche thought that without the Dalai Lama's endorsement, the Karmapa Thaye Dorje would fall and become nothing. He was wrong. (3) Shamarpa Rinpoche had asked the Dalai Lama to at least ordain Thaye Dorje as a monk when he was very young and the Dalai Lama refused. This refusal hurt Shamarpa and the Karmapa Thaye Dorje very much. The Dalai Lama sidelined Shamarpa Rinpoche and Thaye Dorje. It was a grievous insult and detrimental interference. In the Karma Kagyu tradition it is the Shamarpa who is the first and foremost to recognize the Karmapas and only in his absence do other regents recognize the Karmapas. Not only did the Dalai Lama interfere in Karma Kagyu affairs but the Dalai Lama took sides. That caused so much fighting and disharmony within the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism. Tai Situ Rinpoche was wrong not to consult with Shamarpa Rinpoche in all of this. (4) The Dalai Lama had no business interfering in Karma Kagyu traditions by recognizing a Karmapa. In the history of the Karma Kagyu school, there has not been one Karmapa recognized by a Dalai Lama nor did they ever need the Dalai Lama's endorsement. This interference by the Dalai Lama has caused the Karma Kagyu school to take two sides and broke them up and created much disharmony. The disharmony, fighting and mud-slinging as to which one is the real Karmapa has continued to this day in 2019. (5) Shamarpa Rinpoche passed away in 2014 and it is up to the Karmapa to recognize his incarnation without the endorsement or interference of the Dalai Lama. (6) Now the Karmapa Thaye Dorje recognizes his son born in 2018 as Shamarpa Rinpoche's incarnation and he does not ask the Dalai Lama to endorse this incarnation. He does not need it. The Dalai Lama has done enough damage. This will shift the dynamics of the Karma Kagyu school again in favor of the Shamarpa Rinpoche's side. Unfortunately, it will make Ogyen Trinley look strange and left out in the cold. Within the Kagyu school, the Shamarpa is the next highest incarnation after the Karmapa. The Karmapas always recognized Shamarpas and vice versa. It shows that the Karmapa Thaye Dorje has the full authority to recognize the next highest incarnation within their school on his own. This Shamarpa will be spiritually trained by the Karmapa Thaye Dorje himself without the influence of the aged Dalai Lama and his government-in-exile which most Karma Kagyus consider a regime. (7) During the Kagyu Monlam prayers in Bodhgaya on January 2019, Thaye Dorje was there leading the Monlam (New Year's prayers) and so was the Dalai Lama in Bodhgaya, giving teachings in another location nearby. The Dalai Lama, while in Bodhgaya, wanted to meet Thaye Dorje but Thaye Dorje refused. Thaye Dorje avoided the Dalai Lama. It was an insult to the Dalai Lama that he had to accept for all the damage he had done in their Karmapa affair and Karma Kagyu school. The Dalai Lama had sidelined Shamarpa and Thaye Dorje when asked to endorse Thaye Dorje decades ago. Now that the Karmapa Ogyen Trinley has run away to the USA, the Dalai Lama wants to be friendly with Thaye Dorje so that he can get on the Karma Kagyu school's good side. Without the Dalai Lama's permission, the two Karmapas met in France and decided to mend the rift. This will make the Dalai Lama look bad. Even the Dalai Lama did not think in such a big way or a middle way to help mend the rift. Too bad and too late for the Dalai Lama to make friends with the Karma Kagyu school of Buddhism. So much damage has been done. But the Karmapa Thaye Dorje is on the way to mending all this. Karma Tsogyal
"Now the Karmapa Thaye Dorje recognizes his son born in 2018 as Sharmapa Rinpoche's incarnation" doesn't that seem a little too convenient? Just as 16th Karmapa was Sharmapa's uncle then Sharmapa saying that the first 17th Karmapa found was not the one but the one he brought later, makes it look as if he was angry because his uncle was the previous Karmapa as if he had a right to choose, which he would lose if some other was the new Karmapa and not the one he pointed. All that seems like who wanted to "secure the Karmapa wealth" was someone else than Situ,
Dalai Lamas always had prerogative when it comes to recognizing other lamas and interfering in monastic as well as civil dispute as long as Tibetans are involved unless he chose not to do so. 16th Karmapa was endorsed by the great 13th Dalai Lama. Let alone the karmapas, even the enthronement of Sakya Trizins who are considered second only to HH the Dalai Lamas in Tibetan Buddhist hierarchy require Dalai Lama's approval. We, the large majority of Tibetans, will always abide by HH the Dalai Lama's will and continue to revere and support Karmapa Oryen Trinlay Dorjee even though we will also regard Trinlay thaye as a realized being as well due to his own noble activities.
Tam nyen-nay ma-yong, ghoog nay-yong. I think time is telling us who is real one. Actually it’s non of my business, but as Tibetan I want to say Kagyue people really should be shame fighting among yourself. What a waste of Buddhism.
Only the entire Chinese Govt should be recognised as 17th Karmapa and Rumtek be under the command and supervision of centrally appointed lay official. Beijing communist Han Chinese trustee chairman with divisionally responsible Party-loyal board members.
What a great Lama who is teaching problem issues instead of teaching love n compassions.. this Lama even can’t speak a pure Tibetan .. also he don’t have confident in speaking . Please stop creating problems in small Tibetan society. N stop playing dirty politic games in religions.
Shsrar has uttered many blasphe,mine words,on Karmapa . He says Karmapa can not be compared to or hold in equal terms to high deties . He is an ordinary being .( refer to the Karmapa vontroversal letter ( 1& 2)
