There are problematic people everywhere, these are just a group of people who are used to monetizing everything to the point they've forgotten where to draw the line
Yes. Her apology is layered in excuses about how she got manipulated and victimized. But to be honest, all of that was probably proofread by her lawyers so she can't say she was at fault.
I am so happy James is now fine! I never like any of them, not even James. But when I saw his content, I realized he is not as bad as I thought, because I though he was irritating. But Shane and Jeffree Starship always gave off bad *BAD* vibes for me. Like I liked Jeremiah Patricstar's hair and that he has tattoos, but I didn't like his personality, and Shane... Oh god, I have always been suspicios about him and I did not even want to look at any of his content. For Tati... I only saw her "Bye sister" video, and, let me tell you I was shooketh.
While not childish, you can trust Wayne Goss, John MacLean and Robert Welsh. True makeup artists that have been in the game for years (or centuries with John)! 😊
as sick as this sounds, i really feel like jeffree is using shane and that sucks. shane has, and always will be, my favorite. shane is jefree's scape goat and he doesn't deserve that.
Im getting bored of this issue. this beauty “community” is so old. Time to stan non-toxic people. EDIT: time to veer away from toxic “influencers” and support unproblematic ones. 😉
How about not stanning people at all? You can support people that have the same morals as you but yall need to stop holding people to this high moral regard and idolizing them to the point where you dehumanize them
Tati literally acts like jefree and Shane held her hostage to make that bye sister video. Hun your a grown woman. You messed up on your own no one was in that bye sister video but you
Sarah Schelling I agree that this rhetoric is often used by victim blamers so I don’t think it’s a good argument but I also think Tati is embellishing the amount of manipulation that was done to get her to make the vid
Something I learnt from the Tati and James situation last year, is to not believe anything if there isn’t evidence. Let’s wait until evidence comes out and then make our decision, because last year, before James gave receipts, everyone was on Tati’s side.
I'm so glad somebody else sees it this way. People were so quick to bash JC without evidence. Now they're doing the same thing again. I need proof before I believe anything
I used to like hearing Tati’s voice ‘cause like she’s so soft spoken but knowing and hearing these issues she’s bringing up is making me sick. Girl, you’re old enough to own up your mistakes too. Stop blaming and pointing fingers at other people. I watched her Bye Sisters video and it was clear to me that it was all her thoughts because she said SHE WITNESSED EVERYTHING! If you asked your lawyers on what to say then you should’ve consulted them too with your prev. video because dear, they don’t match. Ghad. Stop. You’re 40. Not 12. Jeez.
Also in the bye sisters video, she said every negative thing she could think of about James. That's not the actions of a best friend. Own up to your part in what you did , it's on you.
Way better, she was talking about the text message that Shane had send her about not to worry about James taking his own life. Probably a text message she has on that hard drive she has given her lawyers.
Jeffree has lawyers involved so he isnt going to say anything. The fact that he ismt popping off on twitter or insta is exactly why I think he has the lawyers handling things behind the scenes.
Jeffree is being smart. I don't think he's thrown Shane under the bus either. They're clearly business partners and he probably hurried up and contacted Shane after Shane went live to speak with their lawyers and that's why both of them are being quiet now. It's being very very very smart.
I agree, the proof is with Tati and Shane. At this point, everything they've said is being twisted into something negative for them or the opposite party. Least if all is that neithier has shown any proof. Jeffree could just be waiting for the right moment when he has all the receipts he needs to back himself up.
This was approved by her lawyer. If she is looking to sue or take further steps everything she says will be used aginst her. This is the only way she could have done this.
She is a grown woman and acts like a middle school girl...she is trying to manipulating everyone in believing she didn't make the bye sisters video and push the blame on others! Rather disgusting actions...She is showing her true colors in these videos.
@@-_YouMayFind_- I do realise that, all I'm saying is that if she is proven to be wrong, she could have a very bad case of deformation of character on her hands. And one she would bound to loose. Because regardless of what you think of Jeffree as a person, or a business man, he is very intelligent
And they are all grown men with racist past. We could all go around pointing out flaws at the end of the day, Tati and Charles made up months ago and apologized to each other. She made a huge mistake that hurt James, but she nowhere near had done something that is so unforgivable. Unlike all the disgusting things SD & JS said and done in the past in relation to black people, children and animals. Those who think Shane and Jeff are innocent should check themselves. Tati has nowhere near done anything that vile. She hurt James in a major way and failed him. She knows that. She does not need anyone’s forgiveness but his.
"everyone wants to know why Jeffree's hiding" he ain't hiding, he's planning. This is the calm before the storm, and it's gonna be the storm of the century. I love when Tati says we all need to forgive the people Jeffree has dirt on. Coincidence? Hmmm 🤔
Omg Jeffree is literally a sewer rat, he is the worst of them all! Go watch deangelo Wallace’s video on Jeffrey before you jump to the defense of that withered silicone sack slender man cosplayer.
Yeah if Tati was so “nice” and “kind” as she constantly praises herself to be, she would t have ever made that “bye sister” video. Even if JS or Shane told her to, if she was a NICE PERSON she never would’ve made the video PERIOD.
@@Bebec1t4 she did it expecting them to do just that, didnt you hear when she said she's confused nothing happened after the video, more like waiting for it to happen
AGG handling in private? all their problems have been brought to the public, handling things in private may be mature but people will just assume things.
I honestly hope James doesn't get involved in this. He's said his piece, he experienced his piece. Don't want to see him dragged back into something that's been dead for a long time.
Honestly James should get involved legally. If most or all of what Tati mentioned is true then he could take legal action against both Shane and Jeffree and should
That’s how I feel for everyone . It’s so annoying hearing the same stories come back and get 10x more heat because people FINALLY decided to pay attention to everyone’s bs .
@@callieestra1095 if he does I hope he does it privately for his sake. its to much honestly for him mentally to try and keep up with everything when he's still young and needs to work on life
"She is always right in the middle of everything!" wait I thought that was her only controversy; she did something before the Bye Sister?? I need this tea girl.
Jeffree probably made nate sign an NDA before letting him leave so that he wouldnt be able to air any of Jeffrees secrets. Just a thoeory but sounds like something he would do.
I assume Nate got ownership of the Michigan house, some money, and a buyout in exchange for signing an NDA. He’s got his bag, a new GF, and privacy, he isn’t gonna touch this one.
I don't care for James Charles as creator, he's talented, but just annoys me, that being said, this poor kid got railroaded by people he trusted. This was so unfair to him.
Raven YouDontNeedToKnowMyLastName no i think it’s because sometimes he would steal smaller creators makeup ideas and then wouldn’t give them any credit
i don't even watch those people, i know them by their names but it's really not my type of videos, but people like this always exists, they think they are better than anyone and their head is like a blob of arrogance
everyone’s surprised shane would do that but he literally goes off of anything Jeffree says. he’s following in Jeffrey’s footsteps because Jeffrey helped him realize that he was being cheated moneywise in his career
Her ENTIRE Bye Sister video was her own thoughts and own witnessed account of James. How could they have provided her the information for that video, if she gave her own accounts that she witnessed herself
whit i feel she witnessed what she did and jeffree made out what she saw to be what it really wasn’t and encouraged her to make the video. I’m not placing all the blame on jeffree because she is guilty too for sure, but manipulation is more powerful than people think
Hannah Arisu i didn’t say anything abt james. none of these ppl are to be trusted bc they just want money and i believe james is just a teenager wanting to have fun sooo i’d completely takes him out of this equation as a bad guy
I'm not surprised. His ex girlfriend told recently the same story about how manipulative Shane is, how he destroys other people's relationships. He likes to describe himself as "an empath" but to be fair all of the dead bodies he left behind, all of the ex friends who don't want to have anything in common with him, and all of disturbing films he made for "fun", kind of point out that he's a narcissistic as**ole.
She said herself that she had felt like he had changed and Shane and Jeffree fed into that idea. That’s how manipulation works: you find a weakness (in this case Tati’s doubts regarding James’ character development) and feed into it
Tati sounds like she’s blaming everything on anyone else and she most definitely did say James was a monster when she told those stories about him manipulating straight guys. We didn’t forget, hun.
Yep. She’s acting like she didn’t tell her own stories about James claiming they were true. She didn’t get manipulated to tell things she claimed she saw. We absolutely did not forget about it.
I feel like she did blame herself on some of the matter which is why she apologized to us and james multiple times. I think she just want to explain the entire situation
i think that she isn’t allowed to say things for legal matters rn, which isn’t allowing her to be honest about what specifically she said that she later learned was false.
Amelie Angelique well he’s being quiet and letting shane take everything i dont like them either but jeffree had so much to say about james last year but is really quiet when it’s about him and shane
Ok but like.....if Tati did “bye sister” because she “cared” about James and was worried that he was gonna ruin his image......why did she single handedly ruin his image...and not call him out privately or do a private intervention... so. many. plot. holes.
see that's how it works @Shamim Ara if she would've confronted him he would have realised that she has been backstabbing him or smth like that then I guess maybe she was afraid to do so and anyways no one in this community is a saint lol
To be honest at this point I really don’t trust anything that Tati says. She could’ve spoken to James about things before just making a video about him. You can’t be weaponized against anyone unless you allow it
YES! I'm glad Tati apologized publicly and privately, but there are a lot more beauty influencers who owe her an apology. Jackie wasn't scared to talk against Jeffree, and he was threatened by that.
Fatima Farooqui she talked about this a while ago. She spoke about the way he has talked to and about black women. He called her a gorilla, rat and talked about how bad her credit is which is all code words for he’s talking about her being black.
“He will destroy the whole community” Jeffree Starr doesn’t need to because the whole beauty community is imploding on itself. The beauty community has MASSIVE issues before, after and during dramageddon. From hairy makeup, to racism allegations to the endless apology videos. They don’t need Jeffree Starr to destroy the community, they’ll all do it to themselves. Tati seems hella manipulative about this, her video, her cryptic tweets prior to the video, the lack of proof.
• a n g x l • I miss those so much man, I basically only watched those videos for Garret and Drew(I’ve never liked Shane’s content, he gives me a gross vibe,,) and the dynamic they had, it made me laugh a lot
Laura Wiscombe yeah she is just as responsible for all this and I really don't hear any accountability in her apology. She's doing whatever she can to come out of this. It's all "trust me. I was manipulated." It's just another 'bye sister' video. How are we supposed to trust her word again?
And if she really cared about James she would've thought about the consequences of her Bye Sister video which almost led James to being suicidal. She opened the door for these people to ruin James and now she thinks being manipulated makes her innocent. If they talked dirt on James with her she should have talked about it with James and asked if it was truth, but she decided to believe it because at the time it was the most beneficial thing for her to do.
@@SummerSummerL aawe you believe everything the media says. PewDiePie has donated to the BLM and now he's donating to Yemen, I don't see how only one word makes him racist. He acknowledged his mistakes, move on.
Tati trying to gaslight us by claiming she was being gaslighted. She's not a good person. Also, I wish she would stop using her faith as way to make her look like a good person. Super cringe.
Astrid Mora well blackmail is usually something bad the person did themself, ao the best would be to come out on your own terms now since it will likely come out anyway
How do you know that any of the “dirt” is actually true, or if it’s about things that are personal and aren’t specifically bad. If its things like him outing people, I don’t wanna hear it. example: gender/identity like how Nikkie tutorials was blackmailed bc she was trans .
@@pinkflamingodizzle Personally I think we should only forgive if said people have changed and grown from their mistakes. Of course still taking into account what they did.
Jeffree Star hasn’t gone missing in shame. He has gone quiet to draw more attention to himself so when he uploads his response video it will get more views. This isn’t the first time he’s gone quiet.
Her entire video is obviously scripted, why else would she not be looking directly at the cam talking directly to her audience. She’s a complete joke/degenerate.
@@noneofyourbusiness273 Shane has been facing backlash for over 10 years. He used to be extremely controversial and was known for being offensive and ~edgy~.
What I don't understand is that why Tati never reached out to James and was like "hey, Shane and Jeffree said all of this stuff about you, is it true?" Or something like that. Since they were such good friends or whatever.
Exactly! If Tati said she was like a mentor to James, why would she believe Shane right off the bat instead of asking James to explain himself? Talking about this publicly was never a good idea
She thinks because she's a woman she gets away with it if she says two men manipulated her. Jeffree isn't always the nicest but at least we all know. Tati still pretending to be the innocent housewife.
@@Awkshii the thing is tati witnessed this behavior (her birthday party dinner in Seattle) first hand which is probably why she still went with it and kinda believed them
She worked very hard writing this script for this and is legit needing to look at what she wrote the entire time pretty much, barely looking at the camera. Kinda seems like a bunch of bull she can't even remember herself without having it right there to read word for word. Smh
Jeffree has big dirt on Tati. something fishy about the way she was like “we need to be prepared to forgive the people he’s holding hostage” she’s trying to put herself in the victim roll before whatever comes out.
If that’s true though why make this video? If that were true I’d come out with my own dirt and show how jeffree was blackmailing me personally instead of just cry and insinuate it
Jeffree acting so proud that he’s got all this “dirt” on other ppl, not realizing that clinging to dirt just makes HIM dirty af... what a sketchball 🤦🏻♀️ Edit: IT ACTUALLY MAKES HIM A DIRTBAG HOLY COW I AM A FOOL FOR NOT SEEING THIS SOONER 😨 oh yeah, it’s all coming together 😏
“I never said James Charles was a predator or a danger to society” I hope I don’t have a memory problem because she took more than like 5 minutes describing how embarrassed she was from James and that he was so gross
We don’t know what Jeffree is withholding or planning. We don’t know who he’s going to come out about either. Jeffree has millions and people with that money can do anything. Doesn’t matter how you got the money, long as you got it you can do anything. Some of the screenshots and receipts that will come out sometime could land some of these people in jail or could put their lives in enough danger to not go outside. It’s a big world
because he got into business with Jeffree, and nothing good has ever happened to the people that become entangled with him. Manny, Laura, Nikita, and others all came out worse while he's still sitting pretty at the top.
I do not like nor support either Jeffree Star or Shane Dawson; However, most of what Tati stated about James Charles in her "Bye Sister" video was all based off of her own accounts, meaning she had said that she either witnessed the predatory behavior or heard about it from James himself. So how could have Jefree and Shane orchestrated this entire mess, if she herself said that she had witnessed those actions of James?
I really don’t remember her bye sister video but if someone is good enough at manipulating- they can twist something YOU saw. they can change the meaning of it in your own mind. not saying i agree with anyone in the situation but that’s just a kind of generalized thought about manipulators.
wolf 35 he literally dropped the mic and said what he needed to say. My dude bought his own house and is living his best life. Why get involved in this shitstorm again lol