Sharpshooting Sherman Stuff from the Seaside. 

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Hey Chieftain, Hank here from the NMMV. I want to thank you so much for the shoutout here. It was in fact not only my first time being on camera- but also my first time ever writing the script for a video like that. It's a big regret of mine for the occasional slip of the tongue and the few things I left out, like leaving out a big point about moving Shermans overseas. (And don't get me started on pronouncing "LIMA" incorrectly... how could I have known! haha.) Regardless, I've learned a lot from the responses to that video and the reactions of the community. I hope the next vid we make at the NMMV is better as a result. Your complements were very kind, and I appreciate you taking time off your vacation to talk about all this, both me and Bovington. Crazy we posted both our videos at the same time!

I shall provide an additional real-world example of the difference between 'primarily' and "exclusively.' The wooden spoon was primarily designed to mix ingredients in the making of things that are tasty to eat, but it was not exclusively used for that purpose as evidenced by the many swats I received from my mother's wooden spoon during my youth.

"He sells Shermans on the seashore. But the Shermans he sells are Sherman DDs I'm sure" - Tanker's tongue twister

Thank you for timestamping the iguana.

Seriously respect how you always have such measured, sensible (and almost lawyerly "attention to the letter") opinions/responses, never any clickbait or fight-picking, just a genuinely enjoyable and informative video (ALSO!! sorry you can't just get a peaceful vacation, this is a bit absurd lmao)

I was on the beach watching you make this video and was impressed you neglected to mention you were stuck in cement at the time.

Thank you for the shout out to the national museum of military vehicles Chieftain. Please come back to visit again anytime as my guest. Thank you all of your contributions to the military vehicle community. Dan Starks museum founder.

Might be wrong, but the comment sections seem to have gone far more bonkers in the last 2 years or something. I basically just get troll or "cheer leading" (for one side) comments. I suspect that a lot of "adults" just stay away from the comment section, I also noted that my pinned comments get very few upvotes, which would also indicate that very few people even look at them.

I still don’t see why they keep bringing up the burn rates; you’ve said it and I’ve seen more people realizing that if your objective is to shoot a tank till it burns; then it’s gonna burn.

Why does no one (except chieftain) talk about the SURVIVABILITY of the Sherman? Weren't tankers the combat arm most likely to make it home?

Thanks for making this video. After watching The Tank Museums recent video on the Sherman "Was it any good?" I was baffled at the low level myths they kept rattling off about the Sherman. It was extremely disappointing and all I could think was I need Chieftan to debunk this video.

I think it's mostly a problem of framing. Many videos about the sherman are framed as 'apologizing' for the tanks 'poor performance' with statements like, but it's reliable, or it's cheap to make, or we had 4 times as many, or we had to send it all over the world and couldn't just stick it on a train back to the factory. It's like apologizing for commuter cars being crushable by a monster truck, when a commuter car is objectively a better vehicle 99.9% of the time.

The passing Iguana heard you were talking tanks and wanted to listen into what you have to say

Hody Ho! All of us at Maplins holiday camp are happy you are getting into the true Maplins mindset. Though the only tanks we have are the ones filled with the co2 to push the beer through the pipes to our exclusive bars. Here at Crimpton on sea. The yellow coats will be happy to serve you. Please contact Ted Bovis or Gladix Pugh for more camp details...

I see Sherman video. I watch.

Soooo happy this ain't a Short!

The NMMV is one of the best military museums I've ever been in (and I've been in quite a few, though nothing like as many as our genial host). There are a huge number of vehicles and they're brilliantly restored. It's worth the trip to go there, even if you hate gorgeous scenery. It's about an hour east of Grand Teton NP, btw.

I will check out the museum in Wyoming when I head that way to see how my decades of Devil's Tower artwork matches up with the real thing.

Thanks for bringing the museums channel to the fore. I interrupted your talk to find them and subscribed. 👍

Would just like to say, specifications aren't the end-all, be-all: a tank can have armor as thick as you please, and that doesn't matter much at all if it's being made by somebody who can't weld deep enough to stop the seams from bursting when hit by an HE shell.

I must say, that was the most erudite and polite impression of Samuel L. Jackson saying "English m-fers! Do you understand it!?" . Keep classy, sir: keep classy.

Chieftain becomes crafted from pure obstrontium whenever Shermans are put down and rightly so. Sherman was an ace tank. They might have been shot up a lot but the crews usually got out to fight another day. I heard of one crew that went through three in a day. In fact wasn't that war daddys crew? Im sure I heard that story about them. Anyway thanks for the vid sir.

I really hope that one day the myths surrounding the Sherman can be dispelled for good. Unfortunately it often feels like an uphill battle because for every video discussing the myths you have a dozen which just repeat the same claims we've seen for decades. It's hard to even criticize the people making them because many rely on a fairly surface level knowledge of tanks in general so it's understandable why they make those mistakes.

It just bugs me that the Sherman tank has been stuck in the mind of the greater public as a poor tank. I genuinely believe the Sherman was the best all-around tank of WWII and its underappreciated. It doesn't help that the History Channel had a record of underselling the Sherman to make the stories more dramatic. But a lot of people are left with the impression that the Sherman only stuck around so long because the US Army was too cheap to make anything better or that the Sherman was only good because it could be mass produced. Now that doesn't mean that Sherman was the best tank for every situation or that other tanks didn't preform certain tasks better than the Sherman, but it's always disappointing when any piece of media reinforces the negative sterotypes of the Sherman in WWII

As always the calming voice of reason amongst the squabbling unwashed masses. Thank you for taking time out of your vacation, and make sure to poke the iguana with a stick, i hear they love it!

most of the people who watch you actually understand nuance and semantics of what was said. take me, you taught me an obscene amount of information. also the NA 75mm M3 gun, we loved, because your HE was really effective (and we could tell doctrine to bite us with HE use and distribution) and could better engage infantry. oh and am heading to the tank museum for tankfest 24, if you where to be the at that time, remind me i owe you a pint.

Bovingtons only book on American armor is "Deathtraps" by Belton Cooper

The Wyoming museum is pretty amazing. I didn’t have time to go inside, but they let me wander around their storage area for a while and it was very cool.

Always love the level-headed, measured responses to erroneous claims. Enjoy the rest of your vacation, Sir, and have a happy new year.

I agree with all the points you make, and personally I liked the videos. The M4 is a complex vehicle to understand, and thankfully we are all lucky enough to have you as a leading expert on it. Enjoy your vacation!

Keep everyone in check chieftain. Love this stuff

Another good example of relative threat is the capture of Tiger 131. It is believed to have been disabled by fire from 6 pounder guns. Those technically should not have been threats and yet they rendered the tank NMC.

I know gamers want tank vs. tank, but in both WWII and the present day infantry support seems like a crucial role.

Great video, lovely spot. I bet the next location your Mrs picks for a holiday won't have internet 😀

Like thst back-drop ! Wish you and yours are havvin alittle merry. As much as you want or need.

Always appreciate the thoughtful insight.

The Chieftain has spoken. Step down from battle stations.

Thanks for a very thoughtful commentary. 😎Always worth the click.

What a hellish landscape from which you were recording. Look out for the murderous iguanas!

Good Day Chieftan! Have love your videos for years! I second your motion on visiting the NMMV in Dubois, WY! I've now visited twice, and having grown up visiting the various Smithsonian museums, i can assure all your viewers that the NMMV is a world class armour destination. Plan on an entire day. Yes, there is that much to see and take in. Dont worry about food and tasty adult beverages, their Canteen has an excellent selection of both! Seriously, go visit ill be back for a tird time this summer. Cant wait!

Happy new years Chieftain

Enjoy your vacation and happy new year!

Thanks for your postings. Thanks for your service. A law degree too, you are a worker. Wait, also help on a online game. Hell yeah. Happy New Year. Hope you enjoyed the vacation. Thanks again.

Excellent, Happy New Year!

Looks like you're in Australia! Either way, hope you're having a great holiday mate.

Sadly Chieftain, that is never going to happen with the vast majority of people. There are always going to be people that hear what they wanna hear, and pick up half the conversation. You know that, I know that and so do the very people who hear half what is being said. But thank you for putting this video out, and correcting some thing that people misunderstood. As you are right, saying something was mostly done, usually done and sometimes done is not saying it was exclusively done X way.

Happy New Year Mr. chieftain , hope you had a great Holiday

Got to say you changed my opinion on the Sherman after watching one of your talks a few years ago, think it was "Myths of American armour" or something like that. Enjoy the holiday.

See them side skirts on the Panthers? They still needed them on the Eastern Front because of how effective and plenty the soviet anti tank rifles were. The side armour in the wheel base was not much better than an up-armoured Panzer IV or Tiger I. A tank is a compromise, as any vehicle, be it an aircraft, or a ship. Should not over- or underestimate it. Should not observe it in a vaccuum.

When the Sherman came out it’s gun was considered very effective anti-tank gun

There is an Irishman at the beach, in Summer. *Ready the Sun-Burn Kit* But jokes aside - Merry Christmas Chieftain, thanks again for a year filled with insightful and entertaining videos - hope you are having a grand old time with your family.

What a beautiful view. Just look at how clean the ocean.

I tend to call people like you are describing rivet counters.

I sincerely hope you get to be a consultant for the next American MBT. SME is a gross understatement when referring to your knowledge of tanks/armored vehicles.

Cat killing wasnt that difficult anyways : The Wehrmacht had pamphlets/operations guides and diagrams for their tankers informing them about the strength and warning them about the weaknessess of their tanks. The same goes for enemy tanks. And that includes their weakness or not towards artillery concerning roof/top armour. As did the Air Forces have diagrams of enemy bombers and airplanes, first of all to identify them and then knowing their strong and weak spots. Happy New Year!!! PS: Military History (Not) Visualised has good videos about it with sources and you can even buy the manuals for yourself. They translated them into English. PPS: I totes agree about strategic value > tactical value. Again HM(N)V has great videos about the end of the 2nd world war where on the Wehrmacht side on many, many occasions they, lower echelon, had tactical victories but it didnt matter in the grand scheme of things. Cheers :) PPPS: Maybe people should watch more German movies from the 1950s like "Die Brücke" and "Die Mörder sind unter Uns" and the interviews British journalists did among the german population in the early 1930s and their general anti war mood.

Thanks Nick

as the Chieftain is on vacation right now, todays episode is presented by the Captain.

Sat next to my wife listening to this and she heard "killed 2 tigers and a panther' and didn't realise Nick was talking about tanks. Nearly got an earful about the cruelty of big game hunting 😂

Maybe I'm not recalling correctly but wasn't it determined that ekins wouldn't have even been able to see the germans and it was actually a Canadian unit with 75mm tanks that did the killing?

what ? i'm sure you made some good points but the back ground noise did my head in !🤣

“I do like to tank beside the seaside, I do like to tank beside the seeeeeeeeeaa!”

Well said Sir.

On the Firefly vs. Standard: Each incarnation of In the Mood had the normal gun. I don't think Pool found his gun to be insufficient.

Great video

Skeggy's looking great for December. Or, at all.

NMMV is an incredible museum and Dan Starks is the nicest man you will ever meet. If you ever see him there you gotta say hello.

So well said! We could use some grace with regard to possible mistakes and some politeness for people who are providing free content, and most importantly, we could take a few minutes to PONDER the point of view of the creators, and the context they are highlighting before firing off angry flames. Give peopel the benefit of the doubt…or make your own videos that are better, and so perfect that they are immune to criticism. Well done Chieftain and enjoy your well-deserved vacation.

The comment section is often silly. Iguana! 🦎 I wish I was in Tijuana eating barbequed iguana.

Yes yes yes fine video. Now, where was that beach? Hope you're on a percentage. I have already seen the Tank Museum video; i must now track down the other

Oh bugger. The jet ski is on fire!

Kind of proof the point that no matter what tank you have, who ever fires first WINS

Hau'oli Makahiki Hou Nick!

Chieftain: Big rum punches, with tiny umbrellas. Tanks!

Nick is the adult in the room.

I wonder how many non British viewers will get the “hi de hi campers” reference 😁

Ho-di-ho. What time is the knobbly-knees contest?

It’s back to the Golden Circle, WHY we are doing something, then HOW we intend to do it , finally with WHAT!. Unfortunately too much focus has been on the WHAT of Sherman, without considering the strategic WHY or operational HOW. This approach applies to its manufacturing and operational deployment. The key line from Bovington was it was the right tank, at the right time, at the right location. The western desert, Pacific and Burma (the British did send them to the sub continent) Sherman was unmatched and supreme, the Lee/Grant having paved the way. Western Europe was tougher but it performed exceptionally, where only 14% of action was tank on tank, that’s why you brought Firefly Achilles and finally the Sherman 76mm, though it needed the better ammunition. Given European geographical topography, combat ranges were limited to around 500 yards therefore the German gun range advantage is negated. Consequently, Sherman, Cromwell and indeed Churchill had manoeuvrability and serviceability advantages over Panther and to a lesser extent Panzer IV and Jagdpanzers, particularly when you have a Wehrmacht with Eastern war experience trying to understand and adapt to fighting in the confines of Normandy and failing. I ignored Tigers involvement, serviceability was poor, they were relative small in numbers. Apart from the Wehrmachts 503 Abteilung which had limited success, it performed badly.

Is that a very small beach or are you really tall ? A safe, happy and prosperous new year to you and your family.

I did watch both videos but other way round because I have little bell 🔔 turn on

Well its the perception of how the brits structure the discussion. The 75mm fired primarily HE rounds they say. However the exclude the fact the 2 and 6 pounders had a ineffective HE rounds, the 75mm was a better anti tank gun than the 2 or 6 pounders and The British troops perfered the sherman in the field because of theHE capability. The also forget to mention the 6 pounder guns that were boared out to accept american 75mm rounds ...

3:18 The next time you sit down and have a chat with the guys at Bovington about things like "tank destroyers weren't supposed to fight tanks" thing... could you also bring up another issue with them about how they keep referring to the Sherman as a "Tommy Cooker" or "Zippo" like they did in that recent video. (And, by the way, it was even worse. There was a Facebook post by Bovington just a little over a year ago where they... yes... called the Shermans a "Ronson"... Despite you disproving that back in like 2015...)

What was your slip up during the myths of american armour video?

Greetings from the Old Country, Nicholas ! Jaziz, can a man not get even get a break at Christmas ? best wishes, J

... and now I have another tank RU-vid channel to follow, National Museum of Military Vehicles.

What coast is that? Seems beautiful

That doesn't look like Ireland, actually, not even Texas... probably the west coast of Sweden. Anyway, Happy New Year, Chieftain!

2:47 LOOK OUT! It's a tiny Komodo Dragon!

The Stug would still be a serious threat.

Perhaps to enlighten everyone further, the Chieftain could do a video about the vulnerability and effectiveness of the Sherman in Israeli service.

Ha! I know that beach! Chieftain is on vacation at Throggs Neck beach in Long Island. That is Buster Point in the background.

"Tommy cooker" by the Germans who saw it burning a lot. Crew maybe get out in time ?

Ah Chieftain when will you learn. People will only bother you when it's actually a bother. That's just a law of the universe. Also if you're expecting people to have proper reading/listening comprehension on the internet...well that's Charlie Brown and the football.

Beach plus constant jets overflying = Okinawa?

Ho di ho!

MuH gErMaN tAnK sUpERiority

Even on vacation, the Chieftain still serves...

It's situational.

Sherman fit everywhere, that's why it was important in winning WW2!

I agree 100% with Sydney 2814. There is a fine, scholarly tone to your work that separates you from the hordes of clickbait generators that swamp this piece of the interwebs. Your work is commendable. Advice to all viewers: if the knucklehead you are viewing can not be bothered to learn how to pronounce words, even if they are not native speakers of the language in question, they are not worthy of your time. The other day, I tuned into some dope's video in re: "guns of the old west" who, literally, mispronounced a fairly common word: "Colt"... Look: Asian languages can be tricky, German produces compound words that are 27 letters long...I get it. But: " Colt "??? Really????