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"She Is LYING!" - Solicitor Reveals Post Office Scandal Victims' Reaction To Testimony At Inquiry 

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A former top Post Office executive has said she never “knowingly” did anything wrong in the Horizon scandal.
Angela van den Bogerd began her evidence at the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry in central London on Thursday by saying she was “truly, truly sorry” for the “devastation” caused to wrongly convicted subpostmasters and their families.
Ms van den Bogerd, who was played by Coronation Street actress Katherine Kelly in the ITV drama Mr Bates vs The Post Office, later said: “I didn’t knowingly do anything wrong, and I would never knowingly do anything wrong.”
Jason Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, pointed out that she had not apologised for her own role in the scandal in her witness statement.
Ms van den Bogerd replied: “I’ve reflected on this quite a bit and the disclosure that I’ve seen through this process, there are things that, documents that I’ve seen that… clearly knowing what I know now, I would give further weight to some of those documents than I did at the time, so they would have more significance.
“So things that I might have missed at the time I really regret that and wish I’d been able to see that back then.”
Mr Beer pressed again, asking: “You don’t apologise for anything that you did wrong, do you?”
She responded: “I apologise for not getting to the answer more quickly. But with the evidence I had and the parameters of my role at the time, I did the best I could to the best of my ability.”
Solicitor Albert Harwood says Post Office scandal victims were "shocked" at Angela Van Den Bogerd's testimony at the Post Office Inquiry.
"We already know what her credibility is like, she is lying... She refused to give a full, proper apology. It was meaningless in a sense!"
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@grahamsclater9988
@grahamsclater9988 5 месяцев назад
She should be stripped of her pension................. and jailed...............
@rogernevin7461
@rogernevin7461 5 месяцев назад
Stitching Mail Bags !
@mareksquare
@mareksquare 5 месяцев назад
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
@wickedwitchoftheeast88
@wickedwitchoftheeast88 5 месяцев назад
It won't happen senior managers all piss in the same pot thats why they're never held to account. I wanna know why the PO was allowed to abuse their power of running their own prosecutions and seize assets yet Rishi Sunak hasn't abused that same power and made the PO give back the money they stole. Of course that won't happen though the PO will keep everything they stole and it will come out of our taxes. Good ol' British Justice don't exist.
@hreader
@hreader 4 месяца назад
Well - a friend of mine at church had another idea re jail. Rather than that, make her do some unpleasant type of community service but, even more, apologise IN PERSON to each and every one of the sub-postmasters who were falsely accused and whose lives were ruined.
@peterb2272
@peterb2272 5 месяцев назад
What I have learnt so far. No-one at the Post Office knew anything, wasn't in charge of anything, can't remember anything, didn't do anything and nothing was their fault.....but they did the best they could.
@ianperry9049
@ianperry9049 5 месяцев назад
Your summation fits the bill perfectly !
@ChoppingtonOtter
@ChoppingtonOtter 5 месяцев назад
I am amazed these epeople drew down HUGE salaries yet apparently knew nothing about their organisation, didn't speak to anyone, didn't hear anything and wore a blindfold all day at work. What the heck were they paying them for?
@wandelust
@wandelust 5 месяцев назад
and all whilst getting big salaries, bonuses etc!
@juliemchugh8828
@juliemchugh8828 5 месяцев назад
Exactly!
@triggersw3350
@triggersw3350 5 месяцев назад
Yep, and Mr. Mills, the ex-HSBC guy who tried to get them into some sort of shape, gave up after a few years. The emplyment histories show far, far too many counterstaff over-promoted over the years to high positions within the organisation, still only seeing their role as 'balancing the til'. When interviewed so many seem blind to any moral issue beyond that. Sad, immature people really.
@densalbeach1
@densalbeach1 5 месяцев назад
The only thing this woman is sorry about is being caught out! She has lied through her teeth. Because of her people have suffered incredible loss of reputation, been imprisoned, lost their homes and several have been driven to suicide. Bet she has a wonderfully luxurious life style!
@ChoppingtonOtter
@ChoppingtonOtter 5 месяцев назад
The phrase is "I'm all right Jack". As long as they were raking in the big wages, thats *all* that matters to them.
@abc33944
@abc33944 5 месяцев назад
Interesting how the level of incompetence and selective memory is never weeded out when they are earning top dollar
@densalbeach1
@densalbeach1 5 месяцев назад
I used to work in local authority and saw it many times. People promoted to the highest level of their incompetence. Then it was because their face fitted, now its box ticking!
@bluelionman
@bluelionman 5 месяцев назад
Elites never face real justice, system is rigged in their favour I bet you at then end of this not one Post Office big week loses their pension, gets fined or goes to jail. Real justice is a myth, only vigilantism will get any meaningful redress.
@NickRowsell
@NickRowsell 5 месяцев назад
Not no more … whatever happens she’s toast …
@ruthcollins2841
@ruthcollins2841 5 месяцев назад
Van der Boggoff - another showing utter contempt for those accused of fraud - due to a bad Fujistu product being installed under HER WATCH - but utter incompetence at doing her job. IMO HER assets should be frozen, ALL monies she has received in that role removed and ALL pensions / shares/ other removed and used towards the payments towards the Post Office accused.👎😡😠
@StuartJ
@StuartJ 5 месяцев назад
Civil servants don't get prosecuted.
@LeaSedd
@LeaSedd 5 месяцев назад
Lawyers have said Police are investigating them for purgury, perverting the course of justice, fraud, and corporate manslaughter.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 4 месяца назад
im sorry to give you this info .we got more chance of you tube getting us jailed for showing dessent to tory rule. and they are making an effort for the tory .it election year how many warning have you had for desperat attempts to silence us so far,
@jeremyroberts39
@jeremyroberts39 5 месяцев назад
And....the reason behind the lies is not the reputation of the Post Office..... it's money.
@davidjohnrobinson2887
@davidjohnrobinson2887 5 месяцев назад
Of course it is about money. A high paid job where you could not do anything wrong (with help from the courts) is kind of royal status. But, to get a job like that you have to be a good liar and lack any morals.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 4 месяца назад
marmon worship with tory backing .
@Spurr48
@Spurr48 4 месяца назад
@@andydudley1775 Mammon not marmon
@billdobbins484
@billdobbins484 5 месяцев назад
This must proceed to a trial in a court of law, she is obviously trying to avoid incriminating herself.
@hovishill2779
@hovishill2779 5 месяцев назад
Prison sentence for them all, they knew dam well what was going on 😡
@frankkeachie
@frankkeachie 5 месяцев назад
She isn't truly sorry she is only sorry she got caught
@supergran1000
@supergran1000 5 месяцев назад
It WASN'T an apology. Saying you're sorry about something and admitting responsibility for something are two entirely different things.
@childofthe50s53
@childofthe50s53 5 месяцев назад
and the nasty woman knows that all too well
@supergran1000
@supergran1000 5 месяцев назад
@@childofthe50s53 I'm fast approaching 70, and one of the things I've learned is that the truth always emerges - later if not sooner. Whatever these conspirators were protecting - the brand, their own backs, whatever - is now blackened beyond all redemption, and their own individual reputations are in the gutter. It's always best to be completely truthful and preserve honour and integrity, no matter how difficult that may be.
@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7d
@MargaretMcLaughlin-c7d 5 месяцев назад
These characters know just how cheap words are and there isn't an atom of sincerity in any of it. Only jailing the corrupt hierarchy of the Post Offfice will bring any kind of justice for the victims. These reptiles put the Postmasters in prison to "save face".
@Legion-of-James
@Legion-of-James 5 месяцев назад
If she can be proven a liar then why is she not prosecuted????
@ChoppingtonOtter
@ChoppingtonOtter 5 месяцев назад
The rich are exempt. When they cause devastation they always walk away with *massive* pensions. Often, if they feel their trough is not yet full enough they walk into another high paying job. The system looks after its own. The last thing they will allow is a precedent of huge wages = responsibility.
@juliemchugh8828
@juliemchugh8828 5 месяцев назад
Patience! It will happen, I believe.
@triggersw3350
@triggersw3350 5 месяцев назад
@@juliemchugh8828 Yep, that comes next.
@StuartJ
@StuartJ 5 месяцев назад
The civil service might not be keen on that.
@darrell190967
@darrell190967 5 месяцев назад
she probably will be after the inquiry is finished, published it's conclusions, etc; in the meantime the Police and CPS ought to be paying very close attention to the whole inquiry
@brendamuirhead483
@brendamuirhead483 5 месяцев назад
When will there be enough evidence to start charging people?
@johnenglish929
@johnenglish929 5 месяцев назад
They have the information, but not, apparently, the will.
@Jez-Hero24
@Jez-Hero24 5 месяцев назад
She recalls everybody else's part played but her own actions remain a foggy mist of amnesia.
@josephlennon8475
@josephlennon8475 5 месяцев назад
Just like the rest of the board at the top. Reclaim their salaries and their pensions, then go after their assets. This money can go to to the sub-postmasters, and back to the British tax payers. Easy, peasy.
@lindahobster7480
@lindahobster7480 5 месяцев назад
I watched her squirm her way through her evidence. She lied and lied so obviously that anyone could see she allowed those poor post masters to go to prison. She should be sentenced for perjury.
@simmybear31
@simmybear31 5 месяцев назад
How did they employ so many senior people with clearly ‘Dementia’ levels of memory loss - Jail time NOW! 😡😡😡
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 4 месяца назад
tory worship of marmon .even you tube are disliking our reaction to tory crimes by threatoning us too into silence and even on the sly too.the reputation of the tory party is protected by youtube on here .and showing dessent to tory scams with get you judged by youtube with no content to reflect on .no proof presented just swift punishment with no trial and no evidence .worst than the PO.just before an election too .while tory can say what they like .we being farmed into silence .
@allanthorpe7139
@allanthorpe7139 5 месяцев назад
I am watching this woman give live evidence (26/4/24) and I’m astounded by how deep the conspiracy goes throughout the PO. I’m absolutely disgusted all these executives need very long jail terms for the damage they have done.
@helenjob
@helenjob 5 месяцев назад
Yes, it's sickening. And it must be so hard for those affected to sit through it all again. They really have suffered.
@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq
@AnthonyTobyEllenor-pi4jq 4 месяца назад
But it's not just the Post Office, all our Society is run by people with this mindset, the Estabishment is a self-perpetuating racket, look at the NHS, still has more Managers than Doctors !
@gregjarvis3288
@gregjarvis3288 5 месяцев назад
She is protecting all her gains...salary, bonuses, pay increases and most of all her final salary related pension........it's all about money it's nothing to do with acting morally!! It all needs recouping......what price accountability......blood money even!!
@alanphillips9124
@alanphillips9124 5 месяцев назад
The arrogance of the PO Senior Execs is beyond belief. Someone needs to actually go to jail to show these ‘untouchables’ that the party is over…time for the Government to stand for something.
@gregculverwell
@gregculverwell 5 месяцев назад
They seem serve a very special tea at the PO. It causes selective amnesia and compulsive lying. It seems that senior officials are hired on the basis of a positive diagnosis of psychopathy.
@ChoppingtonOtter
@ChoppingtonOtter 5 месяцев назад
Actually it is well recognised that a huge proportion of CEOs demonstrate psychopathic tendencies. In the POs case this seems to have been a preference in recruitment though right down the chain of command an unusually long way as fwr as their investigators (who are the most unprofessional and intellectually challenged I have ever seen in the investigation field)
@frankkeachie
@frankkeachie 5 месяцев назад
They should be treated the same way as they treated the sub-postmasters even when the evidence said they were innocent they were still jailed
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
If you watch the enquiry live on the official channel you will note the most professional and committed manner by which the lawyers question the POL executives. It is not designed to condemn, merely to elicit the substantive issues that led to the misery of the sub-posties. The Chair and his staff are to be commended for their diligence and thoroughness. Special mention to Mr Beer whose composure and stamina are awesome to behold. I hope the Sub-posters are justly compensated quickly and we can all move on.
@ChoppingtonOtter
@ChoppingtonOtter 5 месяцев назад
Yes, the absolute pinnacle of professionalism I think. Though I find it curious they are allowed to alter sworn statements! Kind of defeats the whole point.
@juliemchugh8828
@juliemchugh8828 5 месяцев назад
They are brilliant!
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
@@Frank-cd2ijI don’t think his questions focused on IT. They were focussed on her awareness of and attitudes to how this mess unfolded. She was a manager of network services, and I do believe she was in a position beyond her capability and expertise because she relied so heavily on others.
@OutRAjious
@OutRAjious 5 месяцев назад
Moral imperative that she’s JAILED
@tenkloosterherman
@tenkloosterherman 5 месяцев назад
And major clawback of monies.
@jamescoburn6789
@jamescoburn6789 5 месяцев назад
Either way she's commited fraud. She's revealed she didn't do any work at the PO apart from redirecting a few emails, then hoping someone else would sort them out as she forgot about them straight away, as they weren't within her remit. She couldn't have worked full time.
@DigitalPerspectivesUK
@DigitalPerspectivesUK 5 месяцев назад
Judge Peter Fraser criticised Van De Bogherd her testimony and said she "did not give me frank evidence, and sought to obfuscate matters, and mislead me".
@MisterstereoOso
@MisterstereoOso 5 месяцев назад
Word salads, lies & euphemisms, = sociopathic behaviour……
@richardtacey4131
@richardtacey4131 5 месяцев назад
Did she remember to collect her money jail her sewing mail bags ideal job😅
@jeremyroberts39
@jeremyroberts39 5 месяцев назад
Angela 'no comment' van de thingy......absolute joke!😮
@sbwords
@sbwords 5 месяцев назад
This woman is lying. She knew. A cold, heartless person. Her family must be proud.
@pippipster6767
@pippipster6767 5 месяцев назад
Hard as nails
@janeday9148
@janeday9148 5 месяцев назад
Did she get a bonus that was dependent on profits & did the money Victims were forced to pay contribute to Post Office profits thereby setting a criminal conflict of interest ? If that is the case she along with others will be charged ,the Justice System has failed & it's vital trust is restored .
@jamesthompson3674
@jamesthompson3674 5 месяцев назад
A) YES she did get a bonus that was linked directly to Post Office profits. B) YES the money the victims were forced to pay did go into/contribute to, the overall Post Office profits.
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
@@jamesthompson3674 it would be called Unjust Enrichment.
@lindseypeers9896
@lindseypeers9896 5 месяцев назад
LIAR! LIAR! PNTS ON FIRE! Even a Judge called her a Liar! She should be jailed immediately! It's shocking that she can lie so much under oath! Pack your bags Mrs you will be jailed pretty soon I hope
@KevinRowe-v1h
@KevinRowe-v1h 5 месяцев назад
These despicable individuals must face charges for at least perjury and serve jail time
@AB-zv6dz
@AB-zv6dz 5 месяцев назад
"its hard to understand the reasoning behind the actions of these people" - yes, it is hard to understand how someone could be so lacking in principle, empathy and good faith that even to this day they are defending a corporation above the lives of people who have been ruined. Hard to understand, yes, but you don't get to be a top executive in a company like post office unless you are such a twisted, rotten little human.
@Legion-of-James
@Legion-of-James 5 месяцев назад
It's not hard to understand they were motivated by greed and money.
@cp4512
@cp4512 5 месяцев назад
Van den bogey’s body language says she most definitely is NOT sorry. Only sorry her shockingly bad behaviour and shameful behaviour was caught out. She needs to go to jail.
@michaelgriffiths5723
@michaelgriffiths5723 5 месяцев назад
Anything less than a jail sentence will be an injustice
@jemgeach4066
@jemgeach4066 5 месяцев назад
Either criminal, or incompetent or both.
@oldneo4309
@oldneo4309 5 месяцев назад
Day 2 of her giving evidence was very much the same pattern of selective memory retention and lies. Edward Henry questioning of her was very strong and he suggested whether she had any idea of the suffering she had caused.
@DigitalPerspectivesUK
@DigitalPerspectivesUK 5 месяцев назад
Fujitsu need to be accountable and should pay billions back to the tax payer and a minimum 10 year jail sentences should be given to internal lawyers, directors and engineers at Fujitsu
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
Because of the technical product failures I doubt there is any criminality of individuals apart from egregiously perverting the course of justice. That is difficult to prove because of the lapsed time. In which case it needs to be a case for damages against the Fujitsu Corporation. Any resultant bankruptcy creates its own societal dilemmas. Unfortunately a corporation has no soul to be damned, and no body to be kicked. Senior management morph into the same if they are not careful as we see in this enquiry.
@chrisfell5073
@chrisfell5073 5 месяцев назад
Why are people going back to 2013?? If anybody has watched this enquiry it goes back to 1999 (Mills and Miller. In 2003 there was the Coyne report (Day 59). It was a long time ago but why does everybody in the end say well I should have done this. Did they turn up for work or was it just another loss making public company that the taxpayers funded and nobody knew what they were supposed to do! Utter Incompetence and lies.
@ianperry9049
@ianperry9049 5 месяцев назад
It actually goes back a lot longer - search "Origins of a Disaster - Eleanor Shaikh" which tells the whole sorry saga of Horizon from conception to its introduction when ICL/Fujitsu were warning of potential problems.
@Echo30Mike
@Echo30Mike 5 месяцев назад
" Did you get your bonus after you lied in the high court " " Yes " deafening silence...... GOTCHA.. Incoming perjury charges I expect.
@ianbates1312
@ianbates1312 5 месяцев назад
If Angela van den Bogerd gets locked up and they throw away the key it wouldn’t surprise me 🤬🤬🤬🤬
@mm3nrx
@mm3nrx 5 месяцев назад
no one is innocent, some are more guilty than others
@DigitalPerspectivesUK
@DigitalPerspectivesUK 5 месяцев назад
Gareth Jenkins, chief IT architect at Fuj is one of only two people involved in the POscandal facing possible legal consequences, as the Met Police investigate him for potential perjury.21 Mar 2024
@gordonferguson4370
@gordonferguson4370 5 месяцев назад
Sub post office workers lost everything while post office (tops exec) all collected there bounces KNOWING they had people imprisoned suicide lost everything while they collect
@markleverett9669
@markleverett9669 5 месяцев назад
Has to be grounds for a pervert the course of justice case!
@lynneroberts3628
@lynneroberts3628 5 месяцев назад
She is as hard as nails, take her to jail asap.
@ianperry9049
@ianperry9049 5 месяцев назад
The fact that she was able to hide away & act as she did for so long in the Post Office says everything you need to kn ow about the toxic culture of the Post Office, a culture that continues to this day. Alan Bates referred to it on several occasions when he gave his evidence recently. I don't think she has tried to claim too much about her abilities (one hopes she hasn't got the nerve, but who can tell?) but it should be remembered that when she left the Post Office & took a role with the Welsh FA - in some sort of personnel/human resources capacity - she lasted one year. Several references as to the reason(s) for her short tenure of that post can be found online with a bit of research.
@martingibbs1179
@martingibbs1179 5 месяцев назад
The reason is very simple the post office has the culture of the civil service in its DNA and the civil service would rather the lives of the public be ruined than ever admit that there are flaws anywhere within the system, because the system must be beyond reproach. History is clear small mistakes in the systems are always made a thousand times worse by covering up the small mistakes and yet they still do it!
@GordonSymons-BEYOND
@GordonSymons-BEYOND 5 месяцев назад
Are they being advised by their lawyers to say that they can’t remember?
@gordonferguson4370
@gordonferguson4370 5 месяцев назад
Why r people so shocked at them lying there all sorry but hold onto positions money bounces power NEVER held to account while people have SUFFERED with what these people did
@peterbennett5910
@peterbennett5910 5 месяцев назад
Police arrest this person immediately. No more time wasting
@davidvoisey4531
@davidvoisey4531 5 месяцев назад
Apalling person who should be in prison
@darrell190967
@darrell190967 5 месяцев назад
she daren't admit to much or anything or at least be "selective" in her so called recollections as she probably knows she'd be in serious legal trouble after this inquiry concludes, and I seriously hope she is
@johnsinclair4111
@johnsinclair4111 5 месяцев назад
Only one simple question. When are we going to get a proper trial, with judge and jury, and hopefully no hiding place for liars?
@billmoore1936
@billmoore1936 5 месяцев назад
You are all so right
@DeafIaint
@DeafIaint 5 месяцев назад
She was completely out of her depth , along with most of the others who were running the P.O.. Now they are all in denial.
@PeterNorton-p9x
@PeterNorton-p9x 5 месяцев назад
How can these PO officials sleep at night !? This investigation beggars belief, the guilty MUST face prosecution, stripped of their rights and imprisoned.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 5 месяцев назад
Fentalin me thinks .
@markleverett9669
@markleverett9669 5 месяцев назад
It was all about retrieving money to boost her bonus. No ability whatsoever. Selective amnesia to protect the cover up!!
@Cliffagher
@Cliffagher 5 месяцев назад
Send her to jail. Take away her pension and all her wealth.
@davidruddock1422
@davidruddock1422 5 месяцев назад
This should have been in the Police and Political heard. Where was/is the Minister responsible. This has taken Years and LIVES. If evidence is Under Oath and whoever Lies to anyone else thats Jail.
@MrPantss
@MrPantss 5 месяцев назад
Very convenient forgetting those specific emails. There is not one shred of regret for the victims, the only regret she has is for her own situation. Nasty lady.
@MK-rt2gm
@MK-rt2gm 5 месяцев назад
I can't wrap my head around why it is still not settled. No one in positions of authority has been prosecuted and most likely won't as they retire early on. Yes, people had to know when it involves hundreds of post offices. Do they think people are stupid? But like my old granny would say is " Money talks nobody walks"
@KevP-z8i
@KevP-z8i 5 месяцев назад
Why ,after so much proof , has there been nk convictions...jail sentences for all of them immediately!!!
@anthonywilson8998
@anthonywilson8998 5 месяцев назад
They are happy to admit to bugs because the real problem was the access and the theft of money by Fujitsu has still not been exposed and called out.
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 5 месяцев назад
a rishi has companies partnered to fijitsu/this link makes perfect sense now we can understand why the tory are fully behind criminals in the P.O.
@davidhogan-o3x
@davidhogan-o3x 5 месяцев назад
Can someone please explain why all these thieving lying bastards at the Post Office both past and present cannot have their ill gotten bonus's tripped from them ???
@errolbaptiste
@errolbaptiste 5 месяцев назад
She must go to prison and be stripped of her pension.
@racitup4114
@racitup4114 5 месяцев назад
Can we have more questions asking what the legal repurcussions are of willfully lying to the court, gross negligence and incompetence, wrongful prosecutions, leading to strokes and suicide? Surely there must be prison looming for all these execs, not just Vennels?
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
Unfortunately there is nothing criminal in most awful human traits. Perverting the course of justice is criminal but is hard to prove after a long tie has elapsed, as here.
@imbonkers3629
@imbonkers3629 5 месяцев назад
Shocking they ruined so many lives 😮 Jyst to cover up their incompetence 😮
@msmrepo3271
@msmrepo3271 5 месяцев назад
Jail her and the rest
@ianbarr5110
@ianbarr5110 5 месяцев назад
Fujitsu knew from inception of Horizon.
@nickoforesta5788
@nickoforesta5788 5 месяцев назад
Nor familiar with the UK legal system but are there no perjury laws ? Can you lie with impunity to the courts and MP's oversight people and nothing happens?
@johnsabisabidavis171
@johnsabisabidavis171 5 месяцев назад
If money went missing The post office didn't get it the sub post office manager didn't get it. Who did?
@juliemchugh8828
@juliemchugh8828 5 месяцев назад
If SPMs were forced to pay back the supposed "money missing", then the PO DID get it!
@juliemchugh8828
@juliemchugh8828 5 месяцев назад
SPMs paid back many thousands of £s of supposedly "missing" money. POL got it.
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
@@juliemchugh8828 Not in a single case did the POL investigators prove or even try to prove how or where the Sub-posties had used the money. Because there was no proof. How could any conviction for theft ever stand on that basis? Were the courts as incompetent as POL?
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 5 месяцев назад
what did they do at work when they was not busy forgetting after recieving payment of work with a bonus for job well done.the goverment are there employer's by the way. and i know it confusing this is not about the tory i'm talking about just the p.o.but the same could be said abourt them too
@davidmullins8472
@davidmullins8472 5 месяцев назад
The money boosted their bonuses...
@BoadiceanRevenge
@BoadiceanRevenge 5 месяцев назад
Ms Bogerd, did you eat the chocolate? No I did not. But Ms Bogerd, your face and tongue are covered in chocolate! Yes but I did not eat the chocolate. I put it to you, Ms Bogerd, you DID eat the chocolate as the evidence clearly demonstrates! So I remember the chocolate coming towards my mouth and my mouth opening, but I did not eat the chocolate. I think there is a difference. 🥺😵‍💫😂🤷🙇🤦⚖️🙏
@stuartspence3613
@stuartspence3613 5 месяцев назад
Brilliant
@kimballthurlow577
@kimballthurlow577 5 месяцев назад
Priceless!!
@gherkamum
@gherkamum 5 месяцев назад
They know it was all wrong but did nothing, Fake apologies, still no empathy or shame…..They all look guilty…..All covering their own backs….Prison
@hreader
@hreader 5 месяцев назад
I want to know why van den Bogerd was appointed in the first place given her obvious incompetence.
@colinfirth8548
@colinfirth8548 5 месяцев назад
I’m probably saying what everyone else has already said but every person who is found to be guilty of covering up the truth in this post office scandal, and by that I mean all the senior post of management staff, should not only be sent to prison but also be stripped of their fat cat pensions and made to pay every penny back that they earned in bonuses etc, I’d like to swear at this point but won’t 🤬
@raymondbonington9355
@raymondbonington9355 5 месяцев назад
Mocking the dead , not right , she is disgusting.
@tenkloosterherman
@tenkloosterherman 5 месяцев назад
How can anybody with such a terrible memory rise to become a senior executive at a large company? Or could it be (I'm such a terrible person for suggesting this) that she is lying through her teeth?
@arthurstoyles7077
@arthurstoyles7077 5 месяцев назад
Everyone that I have seen giving evidence to this enquiry seems to have wanted to protect themselves before helping the enquiry to find the truth.
@Rambo-2468
@Rambo-2468 5 месяцев назад
If she continues to lie, surely she can be taken to court.
@woolmer608
@woolmer608 5 месяцев назад
If she was a director she should have known exactly what was going on.She is definitely not telling the truth about what she knew.
@tre243t
@tre243t 4 месяца назад
Well done Andrew Bridgen - without him there would have been no enquiry ....!
@adrianvassallo5630
@adrianvassallo5630 4 месяца назад
When they say they are sorry are they saying sorry for what they have done ??
@KapitanKremmen
@KapitanKremmen 5 месяцев назад
Talk is Cheap......
@helenjob
@helenjob 5 месяцев назад
If she's known to be lying what can be done about it? Will she be prosecuted for perjury? I'm confused. I'm also confused as to why the post masters who put their own money in to cover the errors in the system can't be given their money back with interest. It is theirs after all. Then sort out the compensation.
@mac-vl4ib
@mac-vl4ib 5 месяцев назад
They are being coached to say nothing tell them if you lie you get more jail time simply
@peterpower6397
@peterpower6397 4 месяца назад
I’m not saying she is a liar but A complete stranger to the effin TRUTH
@davidpooley239
@davidpooley239 5 месяцев назад
The actions these post office directors have taken to protect their brand has had exactly the opposite effect. Thank goodness they have been shown up for what they have done. How many will be taken to criminal court ? If none then I hope civil courts will be well used.
@MrMarshy123456
@MrMarshy123456 5 месяцев назад
Agreed but they are also protecting themselves and there pensions !
@geoffjones4285
@geoffjones4285 5 месяцев назад
far too late to apologise Put it in prison and throw away the key she had 25 years of living in guilt for a hair part of a scandal Now Justice should be saved on here and liberties should be taken away and locked inside for very very very long
@georgehaines9386
@georgehaines9386 5 месяцев назад
So its ok for innocent staff to have been prosecuted and sent down ..have their lives ruined .. and we have to listen to the likes of this woman and all the others in senior positions get let off .. their watch ..their incompetence.. their refusal to even protect their own staff ..their downright openness to lying .. the only satisfaction we're getting and those people caught up in all this is that we are seeing public humiliation of the liars but is that enough for those victims ..? NO..BUT EXCELENT INTERROGATION BY ALL COUNCILS REPRESENTING THEIR CLIENTS 👏👏👏👏 .. you live with this shameful behaviour for the rest of your lives just like the wrongfully accused have too
@Echo30Mike
@Echo30Mike 5 месяцев назад
She doesn't know much, she failed to answer 99.99% of questions because she couldn't remember. Quick, get her a dementia test.
@jondingwall5941
@jondingwall5941 5 месяцев назад
The Ernest Saunders school of forgetfulness
@paulgerrard6085
@paulgerrard6085 5 месяцев назад
paula vennells hearing will be interesting, she is a woman of the cloth so wont be able to lie....
@JohnDavis-ed5sg
@JohnDavis-ed5sg 5 месяцев назад
Love it! Great joke!
@realcapitalist1462
@realcapitalist1462 5 месяцев назад
I think you have more faith than she does
@paulgerrard6085
@paulgerrard6085 5 месяцев назад
@@realcapitalist1462 im agnostic and i probably still have more faith than she does :)
@billdobbins484
@billdobbins484 5 месяцев назад
Realy, dont bet on it.
@Sandra-tu7pl
@Sandra-tu7pl 5 месяцев назад
All clergy lie.
@timlowe3081
@timlowe3081 5 месяцев назад
Looking forward the court proceedings…….so many charges in the possible mix, manslaughter, fraud, lying……..jail time and total asset stripping is needed to the guilty parties!
@chrismac2234
@chrismac2234 5 месяцев назад
I ran investigations for an energy company. I can remember every single case that was extreme. She is a liar or incompetent.
@DigitalPerspectivesUK
@DigitalPerspectivesUK 5 месяцев назад
Beer KC, lead counsel to the inquiry, challenged Ms van den Bogerd's opening statement, as he accused her of not saying sorry for her own role in the scandal
@MarjorieStoker-oj8fh
@MarjorieStoker-oj8fh 5 месяцев назад
You mean she left a sinking ship
@stuartspence3613
@stuartspence3613 5 месяцев назад
STINKING ship surely, Margery...
@cliffordbuttle4529
@cliffordbuttle4529 5 месяцев назад
She was pulling the plugs out on the way she was on the first boat away with all the other rats 😮😮😮😮😮
@SklynPow-ck1lt
@SklynPow-ck1lt 5 месяцев назад
Only thing she is sorry for is being caught out in her lies. Don't recall, don't remember, the serious cases of amnesia is unbelievable, she's a liar
@jamesvaile6916
@jamesvaile6916 5 месяцев назад
How did AVDB get the role in the first place if she seems to be someone not competent to fulfill the role? And does this explain her allegiance to the Post Office brand?
@andrewandjoanhart7882
@andrewandjoanhart7882 5 месяцев назад
This time around, Mrs van den Bogerd has been caught taking money from the till. Now she has to prove that she didn't take her salary on false pretences and accept a bonus which was probably the savings of the people she accused of stealing. Crown should seize the assets of ill gotten gains and reimburse the people who were prosecuted.
@andrewstrathdee1469
@andrewstrathdee1469 5 месяцев назад
It is not protecting the brand - it is just that showing incompetence is better than being involved in a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice!
@andydudley1775
@andydudley1775 5 месяцев назад
i do not call this protecting i call it hiding behind a brand reputation and calusion at the cost to us it's owner.with all the might of the tory party who has conflict of interets and partnered companies linked to fijitsu like a sunak .for example .
@richbrown8174
@richbrown8174 5 месяцев назад
I'm taking notes so that should i ever end up in court I'll have a long list of excuses fro i don't recall that, i was only doing my job etc
@davidlyons4513
@davidlyons4513 4 месяца назад
sack all managers in cover up take all bonus back raid there. Pension pot
@davidlyons4513
@davidlyons4513 4 месяца назад
Yes I agree
@trevorwhalley7466
@trevorwhalley7466 5 месяцев назад
Its not hard to understand why the senior managers and above covered up the issues, they were employees of the Government, on good salaries, excellent fringe benefits, exceptional pensions, so, keep quiet and in tine these little problems will go away. EXCEPT THEY DIDNT.
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