Post Office Inquiry: tense exchange as KC challenges lawyer over claims 'he couldn't print document' 

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Being stupid and incompetent is Legal Defence which is being used

He thinks he can outsmart that JB....hold my Beer!

No, he's not admitting to anything, he's simply lying on oath, because an oath means nothing!

As far as I know, stupidity and incompetence, are no defence for committing a crime, if it were every criminal arrested would get away with it because most never admit it and pretend to be unaware of it being a crime, so all who was involved have to be charged regardless of their incompetence and saying that they don't remember or didn't read it, these people responsible for the appalling actions against the subpostmasters have to be charged and some have to go to prison.

Yep, jail time will give him some time to think and remember what he did to innocent people. He needs it.

Singh Singh , or show your ring !

Stop shouting.

Jarnail Singh needs to face imprisonment.

It'll be just as deplorable and corrupt in practically every large corporation. I'm certainly not trying to defend them by the way, I think they all need jail.

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The thought of Jarnail Singh with a shotgun is terrifying! 😳

Well put.

@SNAFUferret 🤣🤣🤣🤣 your comment is 100% spot on your comment deserves thousands of likes

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Mr. Beer is doing a sterling job. He's earning his very good money. I admire his brain power.

Jason seems to have a cold so possibly had a lower degree of tolerance for the usual BS than normal!

Salut to Mr Beer ,get well soon sir 👍

@@Fercough 'I admire his brain power.' Not to mention his self-control!

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Haha yes, My Learned Friend Mr Beer's self-control is super human!

Um yes...he's a solicitor

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Absolutely

Wouldn't like to come up in front of him an a court of law that's for sure😱😱😱😱😱

I am enjoying towards the end of every session, the lawyers representing the Post masters are allowed about 20 mins to cross question the one being interviewed, we call them the Rottweilers, they do not mince their words.

@@annbooth4601 Mr Steen is the Rottweiler :)

He's world class isn't he? 👏

Beer is 'the man'.

But this guy is not incompetent in the slightest. All hes doing is blatantly lying to make it seem like hes a total idiot

@ryanmichael7795 No, his boss wants sacking as well as him.

​@@philbennett5720when they hired this guy he got the job more than likely because he was/is a competent operator. What you are seeing from this guy here is a total front of him playing an idiot which is nothing more than him trying to save his own skin. The guy that give him the job didnt interview the guy you are seeing in this video

They Will.

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Why? Most people were doing what they were told, just as I do in my job. People like Singh are paid to be responsible. THEY are responsible, not 'everyone involved'. They are paid to make sure that everyone (normal people with only local specialisms) comply with legal requirements.

All their assets taken from them also

Especially this Criminal Lawyer

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I am very surprised none of them have claimed mental health issues... oh but they are not celebrities

Amnesia, it's the number one item on every PO senior executives c.v.

They have no amnesia, they just lie. If they had amnesia they would have an excuse.

They have been coached.

When considering the Blood Scandal, the Grenfell Enquiry time scales - I totally agree!

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👍 spot on. Akin to… I have no recollection of driving while drunk, therefore I’m not guilty your honour.

And the outlook audit trail records exactly that.

Bet he remembers being paid

Simply astonishing, he's a brazen, shameless liar.

He saved it and printed it as the evidence shows.

Exactly and “back then” was in 2010, hardly the advent of the technology.

At the very minimum!

I believe that like our politicians this is what they are trained to do. Its not open to just anyone...... You have failed at the first fence ........ !!

HEAR HEAR

The simple fact is he was compliant to the post office narrative of we must protect the brand at all costs so people must be jailed and we think you’re the man to do it,just convict at all costs ,he must have been handsomely rewarded for his complicity,I can only see long jail sentences for him and a few others

That's exactly why they hired him

He won't be selected for the prison quiz team. He won't remember receiving the questions.

By his own admission today, he complimented Mr Beer for calling him '...a letter box...'.

He's not British. Doesn't have empathy at all.

Brilliant sir. Utterly brilliant. What will happen when they get to prison, what am I doing here? I’m innocent of oh, I can’t remember what charge. Is it being a total prat because I’m totally guilty of that. Where’s my wife, what’s a wife, I have never had or never heard of a wife, Mrs Sing sniff, what’s a Mrs Sing. I don’t know how to print that. It’s got nothing to do with me! SNIFF

Whats wrong with Jason Beer?

@@jay3fox He stated at the start of the day that he had the flu, but still carried on.

It is and carrys a sentence of up to 7 years in prison

He is amazing as are his team. How he kept his cool I have no idea! X

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Well, he’s brilliant, but he’s hardly fighting for the common man, he has been appointed to do a job for a handsome fee.

£10k a day in fact

Typical lawyer, only ever loyal to the ££££s.

It's literally on the floor?!!! You should be in A&E, not writing posts on RU-vid.

@@johncraske yeah, it helps when I’m also laying on the floor too. 😂

So we're saying the computer info proves Singh is a liar, and proves he knew to not trust computer info in the prosecutions? Do you see the irony. Computer records can be wrong and show guilt, but turns out it was total error and 100% not as it appeared. Computer info which can random has zero real weight. But we are too lazy to use pen and paper, we suck, don't just blame the 1 executive who didn't notice.

thats what liars do...we saw this in public view on our screens with BORIS johnson

Yes he brings his profesion into disrepute.

@@RoyBolinggoingYes it really does look that way. It destroys any blind trust I ever had in these people. Ungodly mindset. You can see how religion used to work. We have got so smart that we have thrown out the baby with the bathwater haven't we?

@@annbooth4601 Now they feed off each other where they all used to feed off we "crooks" ...... :

He doesn't know what a document is. He doesn't know what email is. He's never heard of a computer before. Does it even have an on/off button? Doesn''t know what his job is or who was responsible for what? I'm not even sure why any post office staff are giving testimony, when all were getting from it is second hand embarrassment.

He's a snake in suit!

Yes many managers in 2000 at age 40 didn't know how to save attachments from their email. Truly most were new to the technology then. It's also hilarious we trust computer records now but entire problem is conputer records are NOT reliable often. We all are making SAME mistake we are yelling about ..

@@fredsmith1970 He should have just said, "I'm quite embarrased to admit it, but I didn't know how to read in 2010."

@@noonientrekdfaasd Hi, the Horizon issue(s) were not just due to records being wrong as such, there were two main contributing factors... 1) Horizon run reconciliation around 7pm on a Wednesday. This can only work properly if no-one at the Post Office branch is keying transactions onto Horizon at that point in time. So it ends up adding the wrong things. For reconcilaition of a financial syste, the database being reconcilied needs to be static. (there were multitude other defects, but this was the main one) 2) Fujitsu had direct access to each branch's data - so could manipulate figures their being any audit trail of that manipulation. Also, this wasn't in the 2000's (in terms of the wtiness statement and evidence being talked about), this was from around 2010 to 2013, when email was much more prevalent. And, if you listen to what he says when being questioned, he's implying he has no knowledge of how to do any of those computer related things (in 2024!!) He's either grossly incompetent or lying (though probably both)

The Met Police are investigating a number of people involved in the Horizon Scandal. But I suspect they have to wait for the public inquiry to finish.

Couldn't save a document but could do teams meeting.... really.. probably can't tie his shoe laces either😂

Exactly- don't give these snakes any wiggle room

His computer needs to be examined

He’d just throw his Secretary under the bus in order to save his wretched skin.

@@Seaside33 Its a selective madness with huge peaks and troughs of ability. There's a French name for it. "Idiot Savant" I think. Mr Singh appears to have an aptitude for not making any sense.

The path points to a temporary folder used by a browser. It means he looked at it on the machine but not that he saved a copy.

Interesting, does the word 'print' mean that it was printed?

@@jamjar20049 I believe so. Even if he didn't save the document, this string of text indicates that it was viewed by somebody on a particular computer logged in as him. So whether he simply viewed, saved, or printed, he probably came into contact with it.

@@YourLocalGP Thanks for your answer. Sometimes I try to print something and it gets stuck in my print folder and no print occurs till I reboot the printer. Might that be the case here?

@@jamjar20049 Yes, could be. Good point. Print queue.

Fcuk all...

Shoved large amounts of our money into his friends offshore accounts probably..

He certainley didnt do any work for the salary he was paid.

He told you that. He was a post-box. Someone else to inform and circulate to. Whenever the going got too tough POL brought in outside Lawyers. Any that didn't follow the company line were fired. Second Sight we know about but contactor after contractor gets named. Cartwright-King, Deloitte, the breakaway group from CK, ICL, others I didn't note. British justice! Washed away .... !

A hamster is light years ahead of Mr Singh in terms of intelligence

Calm, collected genius. Surely they know that a question is followed by evidence to prove you are lying or not.

Yeah......CAMRA

@@adrianlloyd6403 niiiiice.

I will be joining

Its not what they learn you see. They have "people" to do almost everything manual. Surely you can see that this man's strength is high up in his brain. This is what he was hired for. I'd like to know the origin of his training, qualifications, and I'd like to know what he was paid. He's long term life server in Post-Office. He stayed when Royal Mail was sold off. Its hard to see why they would part with a man like this but I suppose the new POL had to have a brain somewhere... !!

I bet he saved the file outlining his fees, ran it through Excel to see if anyone was cheating him out of a few pence, printed out a copy and highlighted the important bits .... before filing the digital document and the paper copy somewhere safe.

So what you’re saying is …. He’s lying ?

Just by opening his mouth, he's lying through his teeth.

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Are you sure

Golf and dinner on expenses?

Senior criminal lawyers are renowned for their retentive memory, quick wit and responsive behaviour during a trial, where was all that in what appeared to be a trial for him today. What's it like to be in that position mate?

That's no punishment, nobody will ever employ him, he needs to do 5 years in prison, have his Pension confiscated and be deported together with dependants.

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May be akin to the three " WISE" monkeys !!

He does as the evidence shows he downloaded and printed it out!

Yes he does that and we read it according to our own culture. Are we sure that holds good across the cultures? You do see that could be an issue don't you? I wonder what sort of Legal qualification is held by Mr Jarnail Singh? How can we look that up - let alone assess it? We have legislated everything and all we need now is the thought police. And do you think that's not coming to a computer near you very soon? AI is alive and well and it knows a lot about you & me already..... !!

Exactly. Selective amnesia.

You forgot to add, whatever happened was always someone else's responsibility and someone else's fault...

I would think that with the mantra, "give foreigners responsible jobs even though they are not qualified", which I might add is still widespread in the UK, they took this guy on so as to prove how very inclusive they were ! I spit on folk who choose colour over capability.

To clarify - I think he actually said he COULD remember NOT printing, despite not even remembering ever receiving or seeing.

Yes plus their gold plated pensions to help pay for these poor people to be compensated.

@@annbooth4601 Absolutely. I want them on pot-hole duties.

A real lawyer with morals up against a snake

I have my doubts if he really is a lawyer.

@@nikkiohara9510 Probably correct. How many others get fake diplomas etc & hang them in a office they rented to scam ppl. He certainly is a very bad lawyer if he is actually one, can't even lie connivingly & lawyers know all about the art of lying as if it's anything to do with crime they know the basics of how liars act & talk. Maybe he can get to lie better in prison, certainly the bed will be less comfy.

saying he doesn't know how to save or print an email and/or email attachment, every 6 year old kindergarten kid goes, " mummy, hold my milk.. "

Exactly & he made their job even easier to convict him. He could have said he did have thee skills but not recall doing any of it. He tried to play dumb & now they will prove he did have the skills in 2010 & he panicked because he didn't know they had the printouts & data from MS Outlook.

I'm wondering if they can go through his emails to see if he made any reference to saving or printing a document

@@davidgriffithsbjjcoach7207 I am sure they can & probably already have. A lawyer will always only ask the questions needed & never give anything away unless they are legally required to (like this horrible lawyer did not do to the victims of the PO scandals). Singh if had any intelligence must have known they had access to everything, so to play dumb was stupid. He could have said it was probably printed off & misplaced & he didn't open the document & just printed it off. Instead though he panicked & went straight to the "I had no tech skills" argument.

​@@triax7006 it always amazes me the stupidity of some people. I used to work in a bookies and the amount of thieving going on among colleagues is rife but they always get caught the system records everything even if you delete it, its backed up and everything you do is monitored and thieves always think they're too clever to get caught but their greed is their undoing

To which particular element do you refer?

Perhaps they all need to be assessed for dementia symptoms and put in an appropriate secure medical centre where they can learn to "recall" all the evidence they misled the enquiry with. Pack of no hopers the are who just covering their crooked backsides to stay out of jail..

Unless someone else has used his credentials to do it.

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… yet.

You are correct, its all for show so the proles think something is been done, in a few months the victims may get a out and the ones at the top will just be able to get on with their lives.

We'll see. I don't think the crowd will let it go.

He knows exactly what occurred and fully knows the consequences of his actions

That file was in temporary file storage, "temporary internet files", which a hidden location where Internet Explorer stores temporary files. He did not manually save the file there himself, he would have opened the file in Internet Explorer, and unknown to him, his browser downloaded a copy. He then printed the file. He did not realise a copy of the document file was saved in a hidden location on his computer, proving he saw the document and printed it.

Will he sleep well tonight?

I was teaching factory workers at night school how to create save and print documents in 1992 !

@@Diamonddavej exactly as you put it, except it doesn't discount a (very small) possibility that someone else did it whilst the computer was logged into his account. On the balance of probabilities though, it WAS him.

@@martindoman7315 His wife is probably serving him divorce papers by now.