@@47ratsinahoodie The Owl House and Dragon Prince do this pretty well. The latter maybe came off a little strong with representation, but it was never shoved in your face like many shows do. Personally I think you should first write a character and then decide their gender. If you start with the gender, many writers tend to fall into stereotypes.
@@mistressofdreams6031 she was in a couple of episodes. She just was never that important to the story. I still thought she was interesting though. I mean even back in the original she did end up with Hordak.
@@mehchocolate1257 That's fine! There are some pros and cons to both designs. I personally think the new She-Ra designs are much more inclusive, and overall I personally think they're much more pleasing on the eyes, but hey, everyone has their own opinion, and that's okay!
This is gonna sound weird, but that was the only way as a child that I knew she was a her. My kindle's audio was so crappy and mixed with the sound effects I couldn't figure it out till my mom pointed out Shadow Weaver's chest
@@captainsoap3779 watching it was funny as hell. Catra was my favorite 80s character because she was trying to be a bad guy but failing miserably. New Catra is a bad guy and succeeds with flying colors
@@mistressofdreams6031 They could've been. But they chose not to. An hourglass figure was and is the norm, even now. There's no reason why they couldn't have done that.
@@adryncharn1910 true true. And honestly, people don’t really notice things. Like if I went to school with a mask, I don’t think anyone would notice it was me. Or if I wear glasses lmao
Old Adora transform: ✨Cape and crown✨ New one: Ok so I gotta do my hair, full-on clothes change, oh god where’s the Captain Underpants cape uhm, crown thing, epic blue contact lenses and oh can’t forget da ✨booties✨
@@weirdskyreallyweird.5519 ummmm...no. I'm familiar with the franchise inside and out...and that hasn't appeared in any licensed media. You may want to check the details on that one. 100% unofficial fan art.
@@barkablebehaviour ...so...you clearly missed the part of my comment where I said that was fan art and the actual Light Hope was just that...formless light...voiced by the head of that particular animation studio...a man.
I think videos like these really highlight how far character design in animation has gone. It’s not just “Barbie silhouette with slight adjustments in hair and clothes” for women anymore, and the men aren’t always broad-shouldered and muscular, with defined cheekbones and small eyes anymore. Each character can now be identified by their silhouette (even if you just had their base and not hair/clothes). A lot of progress has been made, and as an artist, it’s even more dynamic/visually appealing when characters don’t have “same body syndrome”.
@YoK-uz2vx that makes perfect sense. Cartoons were created with having a toy line in mind. It's also easier and cheaper to animate. The old series is full of recycled animation like the transformations are always the same and certain moves and scenes are the same. As a kid in the 80ies I didn't mind that, I liked the story line and always having some positive message or lesson at the end. I suppose that's where I got my values from because I didn't have parents who were able to give me any insight or assistance in where my life should go. I was raised by tv literally. Still turned out a decent person I guess. Thanks Heman She Ra and the Carebears 😆
Good character design has always been a thing in animation. During some eras it just got drowned out by cheap cartoons made for toys using conventionally attractive cookie cutter body types everywhere.
Hate to break it to you but scorpia is a princess Edit: where did all the likes come from XD, tysm this is the most I've ever gotten Edit 2: I made this comment over a year ago, why are people still agreeing with me QwQ, and ty to those who pointed out scorpia wasn't a princess in the original, I had no idea since I've never been able to watch the original Edit 3: just realized how many of the character's names end with an A, LOL
Adora: ado-*ra* Catra: *Cat*- ra Nettosa: *Net*- *toss*- a Castaspella: Cast-a-*spell*-a Queen angela: Queen *Angel*- a Frosta: *Frost*-a Spinnerella: *Spin*-er-rella Glimmer: *Glimm*- er Scorpia: *Scorp*- ia Mermista: *Merm*- ista Lmao, the names are totally relatable
@@starstudio8402 Pretty sure they’re referring to the Christmas special where He-Man and She-Ra took part in. Horde Prime did show up during that Christmas special and was temporarily defeated by the end.
@Catra do you even realize how hard they had to fight for an action show for girls. How hard they had to fight to have She-Ra to have her look they based her build on Olympic athletes. They had to make compromises to have the original She-Ra show get made. The 80s show isn't perfect it has its flaws, but you can tell, they really cared about this show, they put in a lot of hard work. They wanted to-do more but cartoon for girls didn't get as much respect as cartoons whete the target audience was boys.
@@honeydroptheunicorn6557 No, they didn't. The only compromise they had to make was a bunch of idiot sensors, usually women, was in the original concept She-Ra was punching a lot more, like He-Man. They whined about it, so no She-Ra throws roundhouse kicks instead. The original show was made as a joined project between Filmation and Mattel; the original He-Man was entirely made by Mattel; but seeing the success of He-Man and that plenty of girls were watching it, Filmation came with the original idea to Mattel to make a female version of He-Man, which they did eagerly without hesitation. The main issue there is that the women working in Mattel's girls toys, including Barbie, hijacked the project away from the Masters of the Universe team, which is why the dolls look so fundamentally different from the rest of the Masters of the Universe line and the cartoon. Something the MotU managed to enforce though, was the same size of the dolls of the MotU line; to make sure size wize they would fit with all the vehicles, buildings, and other action figures, so brothers and sisters could play together. The women at Mattel first wanted to make the dolls bigger than their MotU counterparts, producing a complete missmatch.
@@honeydroptheunicorn6557 Yes but the point is still correct? If you took away old design's clothes, hair, and accessories they would all just be hourglass asf women that look the exact same. Plus, all of the princesses are wearing heels. I probably don't need to add.
Im sorry, but 80's Shadow Weaver is so funny like- SW: I AM A SHADOW, A LORD OF THE DARKNESS Production: But wait- how do we let the audience know that she's a woman? Also Production: Mmmmmmm. Tiddy.
I didn't think original Shadow Weaver's design was bad. She looked like the one that was most similar, really. Most of the rest are... significant improvements.
0:22 I never watched the original show, so I had no idea that joke with Mermista was a reference to it. That kinda makes it funnier. As for the designs, I prefer the new designs, but the old ones aren't bad. I hope the people who hate the new designs will still give the show a chance.
@@thecommie9992 Me who finds both og Catra AND She-Ra more attractive: 💗👄💗 I personally find villains with capes attractive so, and as a girl from the 2000s who grew up with He-Man and She-Ra, I am disappointed that they changed Catra’s design :’) It’s just a personal preference though, since you asked why.
@ANDREA E AMEGASHIE Okay then I don't know why She-Ra looking like she's 30 negates the fact that all the female characters have the same shape in the 80s show (which was, as raffle baffle already pointed out, the result of making them easier to manufacture as toys because they could use the same face mould).
@@chloe-ev3qk The old design was just white people with tiddies tho and their clothes were really alike, the new designs all have distinct styles, body shapes and they aren't all over-sexy white peeps Just putting it out there, the new designs are great^^
@@chloe-ev3qk The new one is more dynamic and actually made for animation instead of promoting toys. I really want to hear your opinion and PLEASE tell me it's not cause "they had more boobs" (yes, a guy told me this was the reason)
It’s not diversity, it’s black-washing characters, mermista and bow were white in the original series, if they were black in the og series and white in the new one people would’ve canceled the show so quickly that it’s not even funny. But black washing and white washing are the same. It’s racist and people don’t view black washing as racism
@@deltastrike9905 plus, adding more variety to a show directed at kids is the greatest thing they could’ve done. i love seeing people that don’t have the same hourglass figure, that aren’t the same sexuality, and the same race bc in this show there isn’t one original black or any other races person, only netossa who isn’t even a main character. It’s adding all of the good things to show to younger audiences that even being ‘different’ doesn’t stop you from being important and good. The re-brand is MEANT to be a re-brand, they’re supposed to be different plus it’s legit all the same characters so calm the fuck down and sit back, because literally no one cares what you think.
@@what.the.heckles7148 WOW easy there buddy. i think you are overreacting. he is right (idk if he is a male but im going to use he anyways, sorry) "if they were black in the og series and white in the new one people would’ve canceled the show so quickly" like, people think that making a character black or smth makes it 100% like, wtf? (srry bad english, i don't want to sound hostile)
@@Carabas72 Which is the Problem. It's like if Skeletor was no longer He-Man's Main Villain but Beastman! Catra beat Hordak TWICE with incredible ease. She beat Shadow Weaver, a powerful dark Witch with Decades of Training. She made Fun of Tongue Lasher Name (you're sitting in a Glasshouse there, Catgirl) and beat this giant Reptile in a matter of Seconds, which even CBR found disappointing, and they normally praise this Show like the second coming of Jesus! She-Ra never even got to fight Hordak, because everything always has to be about Catra. I found her kinda cool at first, but eventually she became such a boring, invincible Character that has no right to be as arrogant as she is.
@@johannesseyfried7933 But when you look at the source material, which is not the Filmation show, but the toy series, Catra is the Big Bad, and Adora''s personal nemesis, while Hordak doesn't even exist. Plus, OG Hordak was a comedy villain, Skeletor 2.0; except not nearly as funny.
@@Carabas72 I still expected a better Fight from this Version of Hordak, even if he's some "failed" Clone. And if their Source really IS the Toy Series, then why not throw Hordak, Shadow Weaver and all those other Characters out and make it just about Catra and Adora?
Man, I'm usually the one to say "Meh the new one was okay but the old one was better". Damn, Noelle knows what she's doing cause I love the new designs.
I don't think the original creators put much effort into it, just think a sec abut the names. next reboot maybe they will give them better names and Netosa and Castaspella can be some code words for the guards, like presidents have stupid code names.
@@haydenberends3905 we'll get several reboots and live actions from this in the decades to come. you think batman had to many reboots, wait till you see this. we're in the age of nevernding reboots and invest nothing in new ideas.
Its the eyes, humans gather and process a lot of emotion and general being through people's eyes, but in the 80,s a lot of characters had dead stare eyes unless they where the main focus of the scene
@@Mediados because the only way the creators could make profit while making the show at the time was to make toys, but the 80’s was a poor time and the creators had to use the same molds. They couldn’t mass produce the same toys like people can now.
some people in this comment section do not pass the vibe check holy shit. I get that you like the old version because of nostalgia or whatever but the new one is just objectively better isn't it?? the animations much higher quality, smoother. and the colors look much better. the characters don't all have the exact same figure - they're diverse and fun. and the voice acting is just so much better. the scripting doesn't sound weird and awkward.
The old one has more episodes, though! And sold more figures, because - you know - that was part of its purpose. But obviously the animation is gonna be better in the reboot. Animation has come a long way - I mean, look at the original Scooby Doo and compare it to its newer counterparts.
Current adora, 16 year old child who doesn't care enough about her friends to keep her identity secret to protect them. And is expected to be a believable leader of an army we barely ever see. Never ridden a horse before in her life and calls spirit (but mot spirit cause the show couldnt use that name) horsey but miraculously manages to learn instantly. Despite how hard horse riding actually is! Old adora a young adult in her early 20s. Values her friends enough to keep her identity as she ra secret to protect them from being targeted. Was being mind controlled by magic and was string enough to fight it and come to the realisation of the truth and save her brother from certain death. Bad ass in and out of the she ra persona. An adult a child like me was able to look up to. Could ride long before she was she ra and didn't call spirit horsey! Becomes the leader of the resistance when she turns sides. New show: they live in a palace till the last series to plan their battles and each character is clearly very well-fed.despite the situation. Old series; scenes of devastation and famine as a result of war often shown. The resistance hides in the whispering woods because the entire planet is under hordaks control. They live in tents and get their own food from the forest. Only madame raz seems well nourished. Beyond that, they all have a warriors physique. A physique gained with daily training and battle. Who woulda thunk it that a planet wide war, coupled with daily exercise and limited food would make you a certain shape. 🙄
@@VanessaE26 I will never understand why modern shows seem to make characters in reboots kids. What on earth is wrong with giving kids someone to aspire to be like? I mean shows used to have the teen in a team, but otherwise the main heroes would be adults. Adults you could believe had the skill and ability to do what they did. I will though concede the new she ra got better for the last two series. But i understand they brought some bloke on to "fix" it. So it clearly wasn't doing as well as they wanted it to. Which isn't surprising when the whole thing feels like a poorly written fanfcition.
@@angelmagickcosplay4162 for this show who is because they have the freedom to. They had no choice but make the characters in the old show adults because the show was ONLY made to sell toys. That's not even counting the fact that it's mostly teenagers that use Netflix.
Animator's for the original: hey why don't we make a unique show with all species and ages Production: toy's toy's toy's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um. Yeah. Thats the only way a show would get greenlighted back then. Cartoons were exoensive to make and toys paid for the production costs, among other things. What a thoroughly uneducated comment to make.
@Aisha Mohamed because they are supposed to be kids. Old one and new one both had teenager ages for the characters. Glow UP not down, sorry to say this but if you still think 80s one is realistic you are an idiot
Aisha Mohamed cause you know they are kids and teens. It’s coming of age story and in old one it was all adult women, who looked the same (and i don’t care about this toys things, this is still bad)
Plenty of people here think that the new designs are a huge improvement, but if She-Ra got a visual design update on par with Masters of the Universe Revelations, the old designs would look better than the reboot designs.
The original version aired between 1985 and 1987. And was waaay better. I watched it religiously. And I NEVER saw Light Hope look like that. He was just a great beam of light who guarded the Crystal Castle.
I like the newer designs better. I think the old designs were doing great with what they had to work with, but the new designs a able to be more distinct from one another. also I just personally prefer the more anime like art style in the new one, but that's just me. Edit: the replies are a mess proceed with caution
I mean other than the obvious pandering(such as making all the men soy boys, making all the women lesbians, and making some of them fat because fat is good) some of them are actually AOK 10 of 10 designs, also where's he-man?
@@drgenmo8340 I mean, what's so wrong about pandering? This show is made for a certain audience and that's ok. The show is made for kids who wanna see bright colors and cool fight scenes and for older folks who are looking for representation. You don't have to be from those demographics to enjoy the show, but there's nothing wrong with those demographics being targeted.
@@drgenmo8340 LMAO this comment is painfully embarrassing, especially the unironic use of "soy boy" in 2020 There's literally only one chubby female character, maybe two if you count Glimmer, and their faces/neck aren't even that chubby compared to their bodies. But that doesn't matter to you, because their bodies aren't stick-thin, right? "all of the women" are not lesbians. Did you miss Glimmer's mom being married to a man, as well as Glimmer, Mermista, and Entrapta ending up with men? But that's doesn't matter to you because it doesn't fit your agenda, huh? There can be hundreds, maybe even thousands of pieces of media out there filled to the brim with straight ships and you don't blink an eye, but suddenly in a different show there's like 2 canon lesbian couples and you lose your mind about pandering? Grow the fuck up, you annoying cishet snowflake.
@Jilco because you didn't respect their opinion by telling them to respect others opinions. They said NOTHING rude about the original comment, just said their opinion.
In the season 2 episode of the reboot, when they're all trying to think of a plan to take back an outpost, everyone projects their ideas differently. Well, in Bow's plan, everyone is in their 80's outfits, and I just think that's an awesome reference 👏
WTF is up with 80's Lighthope???? She, or it looks like a space barbarian. 80's Scorpia has such teeny-tiny claws. Oh, and Mara was based on a character from the original series. Okay I was wondering about that. Also I think Arial's clam shell bra in the Disney movie might have been partly inspired by the original Mermista. On the whole the new designs have way more unique silhouettes and way more energy.
I think that both have qualities. The original had better graphism, the new one has better animation, better dubbing, more complex scenarios with a real story that is built through each episodes.
oh honey. I never said it’s shite, I just think the original soundtrack is much better. The story animation and characters on the reboot are superior to the original. Easily
@@1idd0kun compared to the original that represents so many people by using a cast of clones with different hair styles, and it is a kids show, so why wouldn’t they have some of the characters look younger to better relate to for younger audiences?
@@miyuedelfelt2676 It's not just "some" of the characters. 90% of the characters look way younger than they were originally. I know the new show targets kids, but that doesn't mean they have to turn all the characters who originally were 20 and 30 something into teens and preteens. It's unnecessary, imo.
Flutterina was a rebel during the original She-ra, so ofc she would’ve been shown here. All of the “princesses “ here were more like rebels than princesses. She ra was the princess of power, it was only in the reboot were they made most of the rebellion the princesses of power.
1980 she ra: okay, so we need this character... How will be his design..? Animators: i don't know... Yeah, whatever, use that same hot woman model we used in the other character we didn't know how to do
Actually if you look up the ages of say adora she’s actually around 17 years until season 5 where she is in her 20s but I see you point they look like their princesses
@@TheChoujinVirus Creators as in her original creators? Or Noelle Stevenson that hasn’t seen the original and just makes assumptions about it? Edit : Also Entrapta is meant to be 30 but looks like she’s 16. So Noelle didn’t fix jack shit
@Maya Bauer The staff of the new She-are joked about Kyle being He-man with no powers. But if we take this as canon (I know it’s not, but it’s just fun to think about) Kyle and Adora are siblings
I appreciate how the new one has different body shapes and skin tones and like more variety between the characters. Also *Tf happened with Light Hope* 😂
Honestly it came close to a tie for me on which One was better but at the same time there really is no comparing the original was just amazing and creative it may have been old and outdated but I still love it the music the passion the Adventures in this new version it’s more just one drama after another I still love it of course but there is no comparing the first is definitely the winner out of the two!!❤️❤️👏👏 I love the original She-Ra who else agrees with me on this?
The original version of light hope was a beam of light with a husky male voice. And Double Trouble never appeared in the Original She-ra cartoon. Only as a doll and the comic book that came with it. There was no Mara in the Original She-ra.
I am aware of all of these things! I just used the light hope character design for the action figure. Also the Mara from He-Man because He-Man and She-Ra were both made by the same company and occasionally crossed over into eachother! It felt wrong to leave them out since there were technically counter parts somewhere in the franchise.
Yeah I heard apparently the original Light Hope was male but is female in the new series. Plus I also heard original Double Trouble was female and apparently Glimmer's cousin. O_o
