She really thought Classical Music is RACIST?! 

I just LOVE good music!!!I must admit that i am drawn to metal but if i am reading iwant classical

No way! A site where random young people -- only the most opinionated need apply -- can tell you how the world works is such great fodder for... anything you like.

Sadly the Ban tiktok law.. is doing anything but baning tiktok

@@jessejordache1869 "only the most opinionated need apply" Its not only that. Its that they boast the most stuid thing... and yes, that is a policy of tiktok. They only do that in the west, in china they boast stem and reasearch topic

@@xarisstylianou just listen to old marty friedman, tony macalpine and vitalij kuprij albums you got both metal and classical 😉

Serious question - why classical and not jazz? I'm white, and I took formal classical piano for a couple of years, but I would have MUCH rather had jazz training - I always played more by ear in the first place, so jazz is a better fit for me. So I assume there's a reason you preferred classical - what about it was it that you loved? (For clarity, I love LISTENING to classical, I'm just not fond of PLAYING it.)

Do you know that it's the matter of taste in music. I'd also go classical over jazz. To be honest I'd rather listen to dubstep than boring jazz 😅

​@maxpudlowski8820 Most Jazz sounds like a nasty accident to me.

And it proves that the music itself is for everyone. There’s no musical notion that says “play like you’re white”. I like old school soul music, because the themes were universal.

Wynton Marsalis is my favorite Classical trumpeter

Although a lot do now! She’s probably one of them…

The ancient greeks found out that the word was round and this Knowledge wasnt realy lost!

@@killerkraut9179 Erastothemes

Actually many did. When you say NOBODY - that's factually not true.

@@SimbaOS "many" - how many is "many"? Do you have any documentation? Any firsthand sources from the 17th or 18th century, which say the Earth was flat?

I was thinking the same thing. I'm white in a predominantly white country, so I'll probably never fully understand what many people go through because of racism. But I can't picture myself going to some Aboriginal Australians and say their music is racist because white people don't play the didgeridoo. It doesn't make any sense. Sure, classical music was born in a Western white society and has spread all over the world. But everyone can enjoy and perform it. The same way white people can enjoy gospel which comes from black communities, to keep your example. Racism is a real issue, but throwing the word in each and every situation is counterproductive.

Yes. Also, to be more accurate, I refer to "music theory" as "Western Tonal Theory" so as not to suggest that the European originating structure is ubiquitous. That's fair, but the racism claim is just a way to bash anything regarded as traditional. These composers only wanted to spread joy through their passion, and there are people out there acting like they participated in colonialism or something.

Any recommendations on Nigerian Gospel musicians? I would love to expose myself to that.

​@@MissTwoSetEncyclopedia i agree!

@estheruche9883 As an Asian-European violinist in a country where the majority of people is white, I fully agree. Racism is a real issue, but it shouldn't just be thrown around to bash things.

Add to that the inability to think critically, which includes the ability to consider when one might be wrong.

Ignorance leads to confabulation 😂

Well played, you rube!

Perhaps this is more a case of 'correlation does not mean causation', i.e. perhaps its prejudice that breeds ignorance more than the other way around. This female doesn't actually "believe" classical music is *racist, as she claims. She merely believes that she wants to be seen as popular and important, and therefore uses that current ever-ready social media weapon of choice: reckless indefensible and groundless accusations of *racism as a smear, for her dual purpose of self-promotion and craven self-preservation. That last part, craven self-preservation, is the usual practice of slithering cowards in times of strife and pressure, which both communists and organized crime use regularly to their very deadly advantage. Think of those infamous neighbors in the former East Germany who would rat out innocent people routinely to the brutally vicious "authorities" merely to keep police attention away from themselves.. Here's your modern day social media regurgitation of it.

@@barbarakauppi9915 - Valid points. Isn't she virtue-signaling here with a powerful flourish of narcissism? Does she truly care or want to be accepted/viewed as caring? Unfortunately, it is fair to wonder if she would rat somone out for "enjoying Classical Music" if we were under such a totalitarian state ( that is Anti-Intellectual or Anti-European ).

One of those European classical composers, the Russian Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov loved Middle eastern music!

I got a pin from one of my favorite RU-vidrs 🥳

@@user-jo2gg2dl1mcongrats w

Glad you’re apart of this channel! It’s always a support seeing your comments!

@@ViolinMechanic I'll always be here (until San the violin dude hate ever happens)

I believe her phone number is still on the wall there.

Slacktivism

​@@evilsharkey8954 love this phrase!

Sounds like white mediocrity in a nutshell.

Amen !

Sure, and the sooner they realize they aren't reviled for their skin color, rather the fact that they are big a-holes, the sooner they'll be able to work on themselves.

The hippies predated digital social media by about 30 years, and infected universities, occupied public venues, amplified substance abuse, and helped cause riots. And just like the hipsters today, the hippies of yore were a bunch of lazy, entitled white people accusing everyone of being "the man" while ironically wearing bastardized versions of indigenous and african people's garments. This fire has always been burning.

Agree. If you hate something enough, you will become it.

Bernstein, Samuel Barber, Menotti, Benjamin Britten.

Yo Yo Ma, Seiji Ozowa both come to mind. Yo Yo Ma is probably the best cellist who ever lived. His Bach is subline. I think someone once told her about a handful of German composers, Richard Wagner for one, who had some bigoted political beliefs and then applied that to all classical music not realizing that Wagner was not the only composer of classical music.

@@nunyabiznez6381 But she only includes the 18th century composers, so Wagner is out of the picture. ;P

@@paunitka7 I concede your point. I mentioned Wagner as the only bigoted composer I could think of off the top of my head. I am sure there are others but I don't know enough about the political beliefs of composers to know for sure. But my point which I think you missed, remains, she likely heard someone once say one composer, whoever that was, was a bigot and then decided to lump all classical composers, of the 18th century, in the one category. Also, as she had made this huge false broad accusation out of ignorance, I was assuming she was conflating the term "18th century" with the term "1800's" which is a common error among today's youth. Almost daily I hear people say that we are in the 20th century and talk about their parents being born in the 19th century and that was in fact what I thought she was trying to say and meant the "1800's." But for the sake of precision I will concede you are most likely correct that she did indeed mean 18th century composers as that is what she did say.

OMG, you're right. She must have meant the 19th century. 🤦 And here was I, wondering why she was so focused on late baroque and classicism. 🤦

what does hispanic mean? is that a white person from mexico?

They have to call everything white people have done as racist because otherwise the crazy government funding they get would not be given to them.

@@davidshurterfoundermembero2885 Are you really that ignorant ? You look old enough to have some life experience's, if not then you best get some.

It isn't external because it hasn't existed for all eternity. Reality check: ALL music is for the entire world, including classical. You do it no favours by continuing the snobbery associated with it.

El Sistema?

It is a blasphemy even to compare those two...Sibelius wrote some of the most beautiful pieces of music ever, while Cardi B is yapping the worst sounding noise anyone can ever hear.

now THAT is racist to say haha. that's why people say classical enjoyers are racist, because y'all are and you're too eager to announce it. I say this as a violinist

@@Ramberta so having common sense, using our ears, and not liking something that is just noise and yelling non-sense is racist now? It's racist not to listen to the most terrible "music" ever created?

​@@alex9920rohaving an opinion is racist, apparently.

Why can't you just appreciate diversity in music and genres? I am not patient enough ti watch the video

It's just political bullshit - "divide and rule", nothing more. There were very very few black people in Europe in those days, fact. It's not that black people were there and were barred from composing or playing classical music - now THAT would be racist!!

The 2nd movement of the New World symphony is basically a tribute to African American culture. The Cor Anglais is used to try and match that sound of 'Spirituals' the black music he was exposed to whilst living in the US. I'm a massive Dvorak fan myself, love all his work.

Completely agree! Read about Dvorak’s special relationship wi the Harry Thacker Burliegh (and here a beautiful rendition of two of Burleigh’s fantastic Southland Sketches here: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-X7xJ3MY7Ojc.html&pp=ygURR2VyZ2FuYSBidXJsZWlnaCA%3D).

Dvorak an abolitionist? Damn... I didn't know that, mate!

@@jmrabinez9254 While I havent seen that term attached to him this one example I dug this up from the Oxford Academic that showed his forward thinking on race in that era: "...Jeannette Thurber and Antonín Dvořák had opened the National Conservatory to Black students free of charge, thus expanding educational opportunities for talented Black musicians. The premiere of the New World Symphony in December 1893 reignited a widespread and vicious public debate about the place of Black music and musicians in American national life."

Yeah but you'd have to be able to think and that's too hard for the lib pea brain

Imagine coming home to her every night.

Ignorance and confidence are two sides of the same coin.

Its a stupid person. Stupidity is not just being ignorant but repeating a lesson without thinking abput what she is saying. Most feminist present this symptom and get crushed in real life discussions.

Confident ignorance ... I've been looking for some good phraseology to better understand the people of tiktok and you have given it to me. Thank you.

@@christopherweber9464 Vincibly ignorant would be a better term. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she has the intelligence to be convinced of her error when confronted by the facts.

I agree. I think he could have really looked at the topic seriously and articulated it better. It's not the music itself that is racist, but the whole infrastructure of society around education and access that has caused problems. Not just for people of color, but also women before the twentieth century. Today, education is prohibitively expensive. So is access to quality instruments. Even for the middle class!

But white cis males have no problems with how prohibitively expensive it is or having access to instruments. What a racist, sexist society.

The secondhand embarrassment I feel from this generation makes me feel physically ill. They are less intelligent, and way more socially awkward than the kids with actual developmental disorders in the special needs class of the high school I went to.

Well, nothing new, but they all have these phones, now showing us how stupid humans really is. Alone that you pick on a generation there is more informed than your generation ever was, shows my point. Propaganda is powerful. Can reach anyone with a internet

their ignorance and prejudices will be duly rewarded once they attempt to enter the realm of real world employment and discover the joys working as serving staff in fast food chains 'would you like fries with that?'

@@hurtighansen1 They ARE NOT more informed, that is the problem. People are dumber than ever before. People hundreds of years ago wrote and spoke far more eloquently than young people today. You are right, propoganda is powerful and it's literally the only thing people today are taught. So, again, no this generation of 20-30 somethings is less informed than any generation in the last couple of centuries.

It's only a small but noisy minority who are this ignorant. Don't lose too much faith in humanity. Society will be OK.

Indeed. This tripe came from some professor who filled her head with this garbage. The professor him or herself is likely not a musician.

Even for the classical period, she's not correct: One of the most renowned composers in Paris was black (Joseph de Boulogne, Chevalier de Saint-Georges), and Beethoven dedicated one of his most famous works to a black violinist/composer (before re-dedicating it to R. Kreutzer over some personal issues).

Agree. The "(whatever discipline i am too stupid to do) is racist " has become too common these days.

This is an Adam neely leftist talking point: classical music is racist because one of its pedagogues was a German supremacist... forget exactly who but that was the crux of his argument taken from marxist critics of classical music

Maybe her musicist of choice is Eminem (whatever),

... bullseye, they are also known as narcissists.

@palyddon Damn, she probably would do exactly that!

I once taught myself how to play every single song Scott Joplin wrote after I figured out the trick to playing ragtime. I was surprised to learn that Joplin's inspiration was Debussy who often used syncopation. Debussy didn't "appropriate" it and neither did Joplin. Music just evolves as new ideas are adopted (not appropriated) by those who are inspired by those who led the way before them. Did Beethoven "appropriate" ideas from Handel or Chopin? No but they greatly influenced his genius.

This is something you don't need to explain to a person knowledgeable about music (and culture in general), but at the same time, you will never get it across to a rabid woke. 😬

Sorry, I meant Hadyn not Handel.

He checks all of those except for "straight"

I believe Ravel was gay as well

@@RambertaWell he could hardly help being born male and white. What was he supposed to do with his genius - be a shopkeeper?

Francis Poulenc too. And Benjamin Britten.

​@@RambertaHe doesn't check cis either because that's BS.

You can take her entire argument and apply it to Indian classical music. It's all the music of Hindi and Tamil men, big lack of diversity. Gets regarded as the highest form of music in India. And if you go study it, they don't teach you about music from other parts of the world 😂

@@347JimmyExactly. This is why the victimization mentality is so dangerous. It robs those afflicted with it of individual thought and reasoning, making false accusations based upon ideologically driven villains.

she wants to dismantle western civilization, racist means "european" to her , that's it. everything european will be labeled as so. Plus she uses this word now, she would have used "bourgeois" fifty years ago, she will use something else when this does'nt work anymore. They surf on social momentum to adapt their discourse.

However, if you do take elements of music from another culture and incorporate it into your own you will then be accused of culture appropriation.

@@jonathanparks207 not always. George Harrison used Indian classical elements in The Beatles, and got big awards from the Indian government for "promoting their culture abroad". But that was a different time back then. Now, you'd probably just get cancelled lol

Exactly!

Amen!

It’s just a way to cancel anything they find… inconvenient. There were classes I didn’t want to take either, but I sucked it up

Best way of dealing with racism is to not talk about it when it isn't an issue

Write this across the sky in letters of fire!

It's commonly referred to as "the Dunning-Kruger effect".

I mean, today people thinks so. How come in a continent who burned people for believing the contrary would would "not think" world was flat?

Your right, thats a modern day idea that the world is flat.

The other day the flat earth society said "We have supporters around the globe." Now then, let that last word sink in.@@stewartkingsley

You caught that too.

It’s true that the first 2 times the radius of the earth was measured was before before the Bronze Age collapse, therefore before the Greeks, then around 300or so BC was the first time the radius was measured with less than 2% difference with reality … However the point here is that there’s no need in the first place to defend how the people were in certain eras because a group of people wants to convince themselves that throughout history, and across the globe, people couldn’t possibly have been different to them today and falsifying history to fit this narrative is a fetish they want to enforce on everyone. I find stereotypical gangs of bikers thinking classical music is sissy music a LOT less insulting this girl’s statement … especially that they can be a LOT more open minded than her. I even find those thinking that classical music is exclusively elitist a LOT friendlier than her.

Some were, some were not. But what does it have to do with music?

@@pawelpap9 It has nothing to do with music. But 1'38" is where the claim is made that all C18th composers were straight, along with a lot of other unsupported claims.

@@mrewan6221 Mozart' main librettist da Ponte is thought to have been Gay. I've also heard some theories about Handel being bisexual.

@@canalesworks1247 I am not interested in sexual orientation of composers, in the same way I'm not interested if they're right-handed, left-handed, or somewhere in between. I was merely clariying for @pawelpap9

Maybe half of them were. My uncle was a 2nd violinist for a major symphony orchestra and he once said "I think I'm the only straight male in the room." This was part of a conversation he had with my mother about how a number of the male musicians had flirted with him at one time or other including the conductor who was also a composer.

Numbnut. Haven't heard that in a while. LoL. Apt.

My neighbour is a Mr Last, retired music teacher... in Norfolk?

I say - 'Chavland' - how dare you - Essex borders here - we don't want any of you're Shell Suits over here - thank YOU. ;) (Good luck to you and your boy - and music is MY life)

@cleverclogs2244 hi, I think Mr Last is in his mid-30s now. But I think that they may be related he was a teacher at Tong Academy in Bradford Yorkshire. But they cut music shame more cuts means less opportunity's for the working class. I mean, Zain Malik of one direction went to the same school.

@everyonehatesfrauditors765 It's OK, mate. I don't venture much out of Yorkshire, lol. Henry the v in the play Miss Quickly says to Prince Hal that he is a chav and to wipe his smile of his mush. Still said today by our youth in Holmewood, Bradford. Are you alright, my chaver mush.

They're insane.

Who are they? some loon on tik tok?

Wokisme is a kind of mental desease.😊

They’ve polarized western civilization.

Math is racist as well, according to woke lunatics.

Exactly! And while we're at it we'd better return all those triangles and tambourines to the Turkish!

you don't get to do that unless you can undo colonization. (which you can't, so...)

@@alexscott1257 Add the bass drums to that list!

And stop singing opera if you don't have a vowel at the end of your name.

As a Mexican, I humbly apologize for appropriating the piñata from Italians

That is such a past-ist thing to say...

Please do not insult tripe. Tripe is useful.

@@jaycee30865 spot on, 👌

Amen!

What do you mean, modern music is perfectly fine for selling soft drinks.

amen

One of the best descriptions of s leftist.

@@darylhoskins919 I believe the comment was referring to you.

@@darylhoskins919nah it's referring to magarats like you 😉

@@rustybear5125 Bruh, the comment is about people who think classical music is racist. That IS dumb.

I beg to differ, consider this: the truth in the future will be determined by AI and AI will source its knowledge by going through the data in the past made by humans, it is important that these lies have counterpart so the AI knows at least there is a stance against this BS

Best comment ❤

@@PATISLAV Best counterargument that I have heard yet! Well said, well said indeed.

That was sharp!

And "flat"? Sounds suspiciously misogynistic.

Nice!

Great post! Something I'd like to post.

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yes, i saw this. It was amazing. Just because some work w"ores hate it to wear actual cloth... so funny.

Air conditioning is set using measurements taking 1950s USA office workers who were predominately men in suits. I have experienced cold AC that my male colleagues found OK.

@@ChrisPar-r well, wear more cloth, Problem solved

@@ChrisPar-r "male colleagues" Can't say "men"?

@@Rai2M I didn't get that memo, I'm too old to be thought policed.

Indeed, she opened her mouth and proven nothing but the fact that she holds moronic views.

19th century - here in Brasil, we had a great classic composer, called PadreJosé Maurício Nunes Garcia, "mulatto", of slave descent.

I was reading about Joplin and was surprised to learn that roughly 75 percent of his creative influences were either European or Euro-American. So maybe ragtime wasn't quite "world" music, but it's clear that at least some ethnic non-Europeans were integrated into the Euro-American musical milieu.

Didn't Mozart die poor because he spent all his money, though?

@@SeasideDetective2 - Mozart did like to live well, but he failed to respect the the rich and powerful simply because they were rich and powerful. So he failed to attract wealthy patrons, died young, and was buried in potter's field.

@@willardchi2571 - Respect to Mozart for not kissing the behinds of the rich and powerful.

She is a child. And kids these days are trained to be confident in their ignorance.

@pjbpiano As a college professor, I can attest to this. I have to admit that it is possible that my own cohort, who were in college in the 70s, were equally ignorant. It's honestly hard to recall my own mindset when I was her age. I would never have said something that idiotic about music (being then and now a jazz fanatic), but maybe about other things?

@@stuartdryer1352, personally, I am never confident about things I have not read up on or done at least a little research before commenting on a subject I am not an expert in. But I have noticed that many of the younger ones on social media, are very very confident and emotionally charged even when they know they have no idea what they are talking about. It is terrifying to watch.

@pjbpiano I think so too. It is if we* are encouraging the Dunning-Kruger effect, in the name of... something? Is it social media? Something they are taught in school! I have no idea. Bear in mind that politically I certainly land a bit left of center, but this trend drives me crazy. * I use "we" without knowing who to blame.

@@pjbpiano How does that saying go? "Hire young people while they still know everything."

Thanks for the comment. Most performers who play any style of music would argue the immense complexity of their genre.

I guarantee that no one who has never trained in music even bothers to know about this argument

I doubt she's even listened to classical music on the radio. I'm no musician, but I know she's full of it just from listening to the classical station all my life.

People should never scroll on TikTok, not if they want to keep their sanity.

His only mistake really. 😂

Tik Tok is toxic!

Also todays composers can not be blamed for beeing white or straight. And still it is not possible or necessary to include every culture in the world into a musicians work.

@@Ihatepinkfloyd82 - That's partly what's insidious: Why on earth would blaming anyone for their skin tone and sexuality be a good thing today? It applies to everyone. Or it's yet another form of bigotry and hatred dressed up and sold as Progressive.

Or Jessye Norman, or Willard White, or Yuja Wang...

She as no idea who they are

​@@Guzunderstropyour mention of the glorious Jessaye Norman took the words out of my mouth! Thank you! 😊

He is in the klan. Down in TN.

No but yo mama might be for saying classical music is racist.

but was it a cis straight face?

She probably doesn't even know what a bar is. A frickin' BAR

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

But if you play his Cantatas backward, you could might hear hidden messages.

And "Fascism in Bach's passacaglias"?😂😂😂😂😂😂

Mussorgsky

Fun new RU-vid RU-vid game! Here are seven more off the top of my head without doublechecking - Dvorak, Handel, Puccini, Vivaldi, Scarlatti, Hayden and just for fun to go along with Mozart there’s Salieri

I agree. Besides, it isn't even like all composers fit that stereotype-

The trouble is that you can't ignore them because the minority is being listened to over the majority these days, The other day there was an article about one person complaining about the chiming of church bells and because of that one complaint the church bells had to be silenced at night.

100%. Nobody listens to them, don't signal boost them.

I don't think you can ignore them. The media itself is also pushing this agenda. The best to do is to point out how everyone disagrees with them and their logic is wrong.

We have so many crazies in modern times, it's hard to ignore half the human race.

@@willardchi2571 agreed.

Amen. I am so beyond tired of this and relieved that sane people are calling out this nonsense

You’re being kind. Ignorance implies lack of knowledge. Even with the knowledge, which is easy to Google, she wouldn’t change her mind. There’s a different word for that.

Nah, it was obvious.

@@chanaheszter168 Wait does he actually speak Russian or did he just pretend to? I could hear some kind of accent

@X10Bombs His intonation in English has a very slight variation that tipped me off that it's not his mother tongue. So, yes, he's a Russian speaker.

His English is pretty amazing if he is not a native English speaker.

@@moebarragan1681 as a Russian I can say that Russian language is definitely not his native. 5:19 - case endings are incorrect and there's hard accent, native would never say it this way

This is not DEI. DEI is about equality of opportunity. She is about putting your thumb on the scales and forcing equality of outcome.

@@SolomonKane71 I know you mean well but it is in fact DEI. DEI is derived from CRT. Diversity Equity and Inclusion notice how it says Equity in the the abbreviation. Diversity introduce a victim. Equity show how they are less wealthy or powerful. Inclusion give them the wealth or power of others to equalise the balance. Follow that step until you are the lions share of power and wealth with absolutely no qualifications for the job you are in.

@@SolomonKane71 D in DEI normally means “Equity” and it essentially leads to the same conclusion as yours…ie. equality of “Outcome” for all. Irrespective of a person’s skill, talent, hard work, persistence and all other factors that lead anyone with these qualities to succeed.

@@kantimakan4056 I doubt you have ready any DEI training material, but what I have read does not call for forced outcomes.

@@SolomonKane71 Sorry but @kantimakan4056 is correct, DEI is about forcing equality of outcome.

Most people in our society weren't exposed to "world" music until the emergence of the popular folk music genre in the 1950s at the earliest, or maybe Harry Belafonte's calypso toward the end of that decade. (For that matter, prior to the Works Progress Administration's anthropological projects in the '30s, most white Americans had never even heard of blues music.) But the Beatles and Led Zeppelin were the ones who truly brought "exotic" music into the mainstream, along with Ravi Shankar (one of the Beatles' influences). The sad fact is that for a long time many countries simply didn't have recording studios, and people from countries that did just didn't travel much. I'm dismayed, though, that Spain and the Balkans are apparently countries of "the world" rather than Europe. Most people living in those lands would disagree. I'll admit that they were ruled by non-European empires for hundreds of years, but the colonizers never succeeded in stamping out the native cultures. And while those countries are (or used to be) at the European periphery both geographically and culturally, they are permeated by Western influences, being basically Christian (even in Albania, Muslims have only a bare majority) and populated by humans who are, more or less, racially indistinguishable from "pure" Europeans (whatever that means).

@@SeasideDetective2In the 18th century, people were much less connected to other parts of the world. Places a couple hundred miles away were considered “exotic”, even if they had common cultural roots.

@@evilsharkey8954 I suppose that's true. Even modern-day people leading sheltered lives tend to think that way. Especially children, for when I was about seven years old and lived in a (relatively) small town, I thought big cities were exotic. And I lived in California, so I thought of Oregon as exotic.