I like how Captain Janeway gave Naomi the same respect as she would an adult member of her crew. AND she seemed to admire the child's determination to get Seven home. She didn't just laugh and dismiss her.
My dad was high ranking civil service for the Dept of defense. The general at the base where he worked was the same way. Treated us kids with respect abd answered us in ways we could understand
@@s.beaumier8765 as a kid saw him as a teacher of sorts. Additionally he was a grandfather so he knew how eobralb to kids. Never talked down to us. Although I was upset to find out that the red phone on his desk wasn’t the Batphone One time he gave me an assignment and I had to monitor this O scope and write down what it did… and I did it! Apparently it was plugged into a radio and it was just background noise and wasn’t actually important. But I felt important. I proudly gave him my report. He did know how to build good PR with kids.
This was one of the best Voyager episodes. The Queen also gave 7 of 9 a temporary implant which allowed the Queen to read her thoughts. Basically, to keep an leash on her. She tells her, "our thoughts are one." Later 7 tells Janeway how to disable the Queen's control of a force field inhibiting transporter function. When she gives Seven a angry look, Seven tells her, "Our thoughts are one." Apparently, the flow of information went both ways. LOL.
I love how Janeway didn't want a visitor but seeing it was Naomi allowed her in (Although she really didn't want to) then 5 seconds later is all smiles because she realized that this little girl is actually trying.
@@kurtsnyder4752 I think that characterization is rather hyperbolic. Obviously, her physical maturation doesn't correspond to a human child's, for which we would need to know more about Ktarian physiology. However, in no way does she appear to be close to a teen here, or, indeed, when last seen in "Homestead" either. It's reasonable to accept the events of Shattered to be an accurate representation of how she would have looked, 17 years later. That projection was of a young woman, that I think could be described as being in her 20's. So, growing quickly, yes, especially, in her first half-dozen years. But, not out of bounds as you're suggesting, and perhaps, even slowing to a rate, much closer to a human child, after an initial period of time.
2:50 Janeway: It's just a crayon drawing of Voyager firing phasers at a Borg Sphere. Naomi: Look at the back Janeway: Well, I don't know if B'elanna can use a bat'leth like that, but slicing the Borg Queen right down the center would solve a lot of... why is Ensign Kim a Borg drone? Naomi: I drew one of you getting assimilated, because my teacher thought it would be more exciting.
Queen: We updated it with Borg technology. Seven: B..but it is Borg technology. Queen: We see your new found human individuality has given you what the humans call a 'smart mouth'. We will adapt.
Its not that stupid than it Sounds. During sevens Time away from collective the Borg could have been assimilating other species that improved collectives knowledge and technics. Seven is still in the "form" she was the day she left the borg, so yeah, she may need an update 😉
I remember seeing Naomi submit her proposal, the captain saying “it’s not quite that simple”, and thinking to myself, not quite that simple? It sounds as perfectly plausible as anything else I’ve heard the Voyager crew say.
The difference is Naomi is a child and doesn't have years of experience like the crew. Similar to how Red Squad's plan to destroy the Jem'Hadar battleship failed because they didn't have the experience of most officers.
"Never abandon a member of your crew." She upheld that principle to the end. Even among her many strengths and virtues, Janeway's loyalty is just epic. She challenged superior enemies, the Prime Directive, space, time and even certain death for her people. She inspired that loyalty in them all, forging them into such an impressive team.
Not just a team but a family. In Season 3 of Picard, Seven mentions how she views Voyager and the crew. She said the ship was “Where I was reborn. It was my home and it’s crew was my family”. I and many other longtime fans couldn’t help but start to cry watching that scene.
@@technopirate304 Totally. "Family" is not said more often, just because there's protocol to be followed. But they're definitely more than just a crew. I haven't watched Picard beyond season 1. I'm an 80's kid, so I grew up watching TNG. Later, VOY became my absolute favorite. Lately, I finally went ahead with DS9, though I'm not done yet. I've also watched all the movies. Frankly, Picard disappointed me. I just feel the Trek idealistic spirit is so different from these modern, cynical times... That maybe it just cannot be adapted. Picard tried, and failed quite thoroughly as far as I can tell. The plot is rather bland, too. Delving into an overused trope that Trek was always smart to avoid getting too involved with: AI as a species. Sure, we've got the doctor, Data and the occasional alien construct. But it was kept in check. I do wanna see more of Seven, and Q, but I'm quite reluctant to go there again. The way they used Hugh and Icheb as cheap, disposable heart strings to tug... As a Voyager fan, I just can't accept that Seven would be facing all that without anyone else from the old crew even lending a hand. You'd have to restrain half of them, for that. I know they had other prioirities for the show, but it doesn't make much sense. It feels like they're just copy/pasting the more popular elements from different parts of Trek, as if they had existed in a vacuum to begin with... And mashing them together, as if it were as simple as 1+1 = 2. Totally forgetting that those elements were not just good on their own, as nothing ever is in fiction. They became good, by interacting with others in their original environment. We all saw how Torres was to Seven. Which made some of their positive interaction later on, that much more meaningful. When Seven impresses Torres by shocking the Hirogen... ...And SPECIALLY when they both talk about death, in "Imperfection." Of all the characters that could've had screen time along with Seven in that episode, for a meaningful dialog... We get two. Janeway, the obvious... And a beautiful surprise from Torres, with some solid wisdom about our very place in life. Seven is afraid she'll leave nothing behind, as so many people are in that moment. But even Torres can see, that she already has.
@@Desencadenar Check out Season 3 of Picard. They have a new showrunner named Terry Matalas who gets it. Matalas ran the show 12 Monkeys on Syfy. This is the last round up of the Next Generation crew. Matalas is sending them out in style. So many old faces and callbacks that weave right into the plot. I can’t wait until Thursday for the series finale!!
@@technopirate304 But how about season 2? I don't wanna be spoiled, btw. Not sure I wanna endure that season if it's mostly bad, just to get season 3. I hear the original Q is in S2, and he's dying. That sounds interesting. DeLancie was awesome, the whole Q thing was usually loads of smart fan, and revisiting the "Q and death" concept is excellent 'cos "Death Wish" was an absolutely brilliant episode. Thought provoking, funny, etc. I think Janeway managed to get along with Q better than Picard. She's more diplomatic and flexible, while Picard is stiff. But that clash between Picard's attitude and Q's was also great fun.
@@Desencadenar I will just say the ending of Season 2 will make you rethink all of the previous Q centric episodes of Next Generation. Don’t want to spoil it.
I think the look Janeway gives him shows that she knows he has basically ambushed her, knowing that she needs fresh eyes and minds and some help. Good friends are like that and when they do these things you learn, begrudgingly, to trust them. Such a well written and acted show.
Janeway's three rules for leadership, pretty much lived by them ever since hearing nearly 20 years ago. Shirt tucked in = highest standards in all things Go down with the ship = be accountable, especially to yourself The last one speaks for itself.
I think it was moments like this where I felt that Janeway was a great captain. She was very motherly. I think of the scene where she demoted Tom Paris as showing that tough love. Even though she had to demote him, she did let him know that 'up until this point, you have served this ship well. I do have alot of mixed feelings about Voyager as a whole, but I do think when the characters were written well, it totally showed.
@@Pally356 it pained Kathryn to demote Tom, even tho he deserved it (and I say that understanding why he did what he did) .... in many ways, Tom was another of her reclamation projects before Seven.
@@nicholasemjohnson47 I wouldn't think so. For the captain to abandon ship is a horrible admission of defeat. And they would probably fight till the very last moment to try to avoid it and if they can't they might as well die with the ship. Especially someone as stubborn as Janeway. It's sentimental and stupid and I love it :)
I guess Torres was glad that Seven "left" as it meant that she didn't have to worry about Seven intruding on her territory with constant suggestions on how to improve engineering.....
No its because before 7 came aboard B'Lanna had the best ass on the ship, but then little miss Lycra Catsuit had to come along and knock her down to second place. Her Klingon Sensibilities just couldn't handle that. O.o
But one would also argue that Be'lanna was no better than Seven considering the stunts she pulled when Voyager was first stranded. Not to mention, Be'lanna was a member of the Maquis.
1:30 haha, that's cute. Sounds big to us, but for a ship that runs off of antimatter and generates enough energy to bend space-time, a few megawatts aren't even a drop in the bucket.
The Matter/Anti-matter reaction powers the Warp Drive. The ship itself gets its power from di-lithium fusion reactions. They devote at least one episode a season to getting more di-lithium because they couldn't resupply at Federation bases.
@@MrErizid - Also, dilithium is primarily for the warp core. They could not contain the matter/antimatter reaction without them fusion power doesn’t need dilithium to work.
She had a lot of problems by the time she hit Reba. My understanding was that she was dealing with anorexia/bulimia and it effected her general health quite badly. Unfortunate as she was an excellent young actress.
a testament to their acting skills is the fact they HATED each other and was still able to push that to the side and do their job most effectively and that no one new of the hatred was so strong until the show ended
Hated is may be a little bit exagerrated. Mulgrew was going through a lot at that time, aging, on the down slope, trying to reconnect with her lost daughter, quitting smoking and thinking she was the star of the show and bam, they hired a bombshell blonde to try to butt kick the audience figures... she was at least a little jealous, that's for sure. They later made peace and now are on good terms. I'll also add that some of Mulgrew's criticisms were NOT directed at Ryan but at the production team and their way to handle her, with some ridiculous demands, no pauses between shots and other stupid things. Mulgrew knew how a production worked and how cumbersome it could be and tried to releave the pressure from Ryan a lot, despite being jealous and stressed. Ironically, their feud helped the show because Ryan could vent against Mulgrew without being rude by just playing the parts where Seven hated Janeway. I guess it helped her give a better performance.
4:10 I remember Janeway once saying that she didn’t have a maternal instinct. Don’t know where but I remember it. That said Kate Mulgrew does have kids IRL and I can’t help but think that influenced how she played many of her scenes as Captain Janeway. Janeway radiates a motherly vibe towards the crew even when she is tearing someone a new one. Her crew knows she values them as people and not just widgets. This drives them to do their best and be greatly loyal. She loves the crew and the crew loves her. Could you send imagine any other Starfleet captain leading this motley crew of misfits, newbies and stray Borg?
Well.. Humans have only one instinct, and it's not maternal. At least if we are talking abouf the definition of instincs we use in context of animals. Which is the complex automatic behavior that can be observed in every instance of the specie. When talking in context of humans, "maternal instinct" is the feelings and emotions, resulting in conscious behavior that we chose. What is the one instinct that we do have? We automaticaly raise out eyebrows for about 1/5 of a second when we meet someone that we are willing to communicate with.
@voidseeker4394 Saying we only have one instinct is just incorrect. When a baby is born it has an instinct to start breathing. When humans are hungry we have an instinct to eat, and yes--there are post pregnancy hormones that both mother AND child give off that give them the instinct to care for said creature.
Kate Mulgrew’s kids hate Star Trek. Apparently, she was putting in 18 hour days on the show and rarely saw her kids. I heard this in an interview video, don’t know which one.
Naomi Wildman was born on Voyager and grew up learning and playing. And not to mention having the captain as kind of an aunt what kid wouldn't want that.
Interesting how opinions can differ. I thought the Voyager/Borg encounters were the most interesting… possibly because Janeway and Voyager survived Borg attacks unlike the early beginnings on STTNG.
I'd like if anyone knows, reference in novels or fan fiction, whether or not Naomi got the chance to put that advice to use. It'd be amazing to see her as a Captain of a starship, giving that same advice to someone.
Sure, the comment's a year old, but I'm doing it anyway! While not a starship captain, she - at least in non-canon - does get the chance to make use of Janeway's advice. The novel Full Circle mentions that Naomi had been accepted into Starfleet Academy in the following year's class (2382; the reference was made in June 2381). Then, she crops up in Star Trek Online, becoming the helm officer of the USS Hathaway in 2398 before being promoted to second officer/holding the rank of Lt. Commander three years later. She then got promoted to Commander and gets her first command, as the CO of Deep Space K7. As of at least 2409 (or until the game moves her), she's still serving there.
1:30 The alcove requires over 30 mega watts . . . That is enough to power 30,000 homes . . . That is about 30 kw per cubic foot . . . About same power density as an electric car motor maintaining freeway speed. . . How is the alcove not melting?
I always thought it was kinda strange that Voyager got it's hands on a working transwarp coil and has a former super-smart Borg onboard who probably knows the thing inside and out and they couldn't figure out how to replicate the technology.
@@177SCmaro I would start with access to rare materials that are easy for them to acquire due to their vast territory, experience manufacturing with them, and technological base representing something like 8500 species. Even with Seven on board, I doubt that Voyager could easily reproduce technologies they haven't encountered or haven't even started down the tech tree to use.
@@3Rayfire Again, you have a working example, someone who knows the technology intimately, and a device that can transform energy into any type of matter you need. Seems like all the pieces are there.
I watched this episode on Netflix and the scene with B'elanna and Janeway isn't shown there. The fact that it exists is sooo ironic bcus I said to myself while watching "I wonder what B'elanna smart ass got to say about this." LOL I imagined she would not care what happens to Seven. B'elanna can be a real b*tch and doesn't like Seven for whatever reason that's why I found it odd she didn't oppose to the rescue. I'm glad Janeway put her in her place because Seven indeed stayed with the Borg to save them!
or good people management, she identified that the needs of one her of her crew was different and adjusted her leadership style to accommodate. 1. there were no replacement crew members available 2. Janeway loves a rescue (dog owner) 3. if she could turn Seven then she knew it could benefit the entire crew. increase chances of survival and possibly get home faster
Yup, I knew something was missing. B'elanna is a smart ass and has to let it be known that she doesn't like Seven so I found it odd that there wasn't a scene reflecting that.
I got to give Janeway credit for this loyal to her crew. it seemed with the interaction between Janeway and Torres and something I had not seen before. Where did you find it.
@@johnbanks4761 I firmly disagree. Janeway as has never abandoned a member of her crew. Janeway stands up for her crew. I've had commanders like her in the military. She's just very much bye the book
@@Shadothecat oh I'm well aware of that those two had a rivalry going on a lot of it I think it was to get on janeways good side kind of like how siblings go at it.
Janeway: Whatever it is, I'm sure Commander Chakotay can handle- (sees Naomi peek from behind Tuvok) Request granted. Send her in. Love how she always took time for everyone on Voyager, when capable... even Naomi.
You are right, in some versions this scene was cut. There are some scenes throughout the whole series that appear on DVD but were cut when it aired on tv to make room for more advertisements. There is one scene though that did not even appear in the DVD version. Episode Cathexis, season one, when Kes is ordered to the bridge? They actually filmed a scene with her there. But in the next scene she just still stands in sickbay. The middlepart is simply missing.
That alcove's light sure uses a lot of energy. That alcove should not use barely any energy while no Borg is connected to it. Otherwise, it is a very inefficient system.
It’s pretty wild how sweet Janeway was on Seven while IRL Kate Mulgrew felt the opposite towards Jeri Ryan while they were making the show. At least they seem to have since buried the proverbial hatchet.
Otherwise known as that great American Military tradition "you never leave a man behind." I think this principle applies. Evenin the 24th century when the United States and all other traditional land deffinitions have ceased to exist and no longer matter.
This would have been the perfect time for Torres to say to Janeway that you are allowing your personal feelings to affect your judgment as captain. There is no way a captain would send her ship and crew on a suicide mission to save one crew member. Only the writers allowed Voyager to escape the borg in this episode. This is one of many examples where the Admiralty would have relieved her of command when they returned home.
I kind of agree. But Janeway has a small crew and is tens of thousands of light years away from any replacements. So she has to go above and beyond to keep her ship functional.
I think it got cut because Dark Frontier was one of the episodes which WAS 2 episodes but unlike other 2 parters was filmed as one big thing and aired mid season during sweeps like a feature length event (they did the same thing for unimatrix zero and workforce) but when it got broadcast later they had to trim it a bit to get it back to 42 minutes plus ad breaks
It probably depends on where it was broadcast. Here in the UK we would have got the full cut, but in America you guys have so many adverts/commercials that they probably have to cut more from the show.
Yeah that does seem rather a ridiculous amount of power considering the highest voltages in the human body are only in the MicroVolt range. And it seems horrendously inefficient to have so much power running to an unoccupied alcove, especially on a Borg vessel that may have thousands of alcoves empty at any one time. I think this is another bit of the Writers not thinking the consequences of a line all the way through when they wrote it. O.o
@@grayeaglej Think about their replicators. I did the math on those things, and they would need power from the warp engines to make the Captain dinner. If it's replicating essential molecules for her to live on, the power estimation is far too low. And don't even get me started on the transporters. Something definitely did not think through the implications of those things. Not only the technical impossibilities of making them work but the ethical considerations as well. Everyone who uses them is killed and then replaced by a duplicate. One could easily argue that it's not the same person who comes out the other side of it.
@@stargazer7644 That's actually a myth. Some of the cells in your body are replaced frequently. Your red blood cells, for instance, are replaced every few months. But your brain cells aren't replaced at all. And other cells in the body are replaced at a wide range of rates. Your heart muscles, for instance, will be partially replaced during the course of your lifetime. But it's unlikely that they will be replaced completely. And then besides basic biology, there are other problems with your argument. Destroying someone completely and replacing them with a duplicate is not the same thing as slowly replacing them a piece at a time. Because during that process, part of the original always remains. There is a passing of the baton from the old to the new. Let's say, for instance, our brain cells were completely replaced. During that process, our memories would be transferred to the new brain cells. One could argue that I am a different person than when I was young. But I'm a different person derived from the original. Not an entirely new creation.
@@TerryProthero It's a myth. Then you go on to explain in detail why it isn't. Yes I'm aware some cells last you a lifetime (hence the "almost" in my post), but they are by far in the minority (concerning the brain, you might want to look up neurogenesis). So if I have a wooden ship, and I replace every single piece of wood in it one piece at a time, it isn't a new ship. But if I replace them all at the same time, then it is a new ship? What if I replace everything at once keeping a single original board, then when the rest is done, I replace the board. Is it still not a new ship?
I think someone in the graphics department goofed on this one. Have a look at the legible text at the top and bottom of Janeway’s monitor at 4:16. It’s been either stretched or compressed (or both) unevenly. Designed for a 4:3 monitor, then adjusted for 16:9? But badly?
Font spacing waaaaaay off on the two different areas.. “squished together” in the top left part at the right side and s p r e a d out on the lower left part..
I understand exactly what you mean but I have a feeling that's probably a design choice. I believe I've seen it elsewhere in trek. Can't give a confirmation but I do believe it happened fairly frequently.
Borg alcoves are much more like that, it is a like running an whole datacenter with a neural interface able to communicate with a modified humanoid brain and it is processing currently run information all the time, not to mention the necessary power requirement to maintein it a the right temperature. Datacenters IRL consume a LOT of power similar to that alcove, mainly because of the environment control to preserve the electronics from heat, cold and humidity.
@@quoniam426 I understand that in the Trek world those alcoves regenerate the body and that takes a lot of energy, I was just joking about the actual movie prop which takes just a few watts.
You would think that it would be in a low power "standby" mode when unoccupied :/ Otherwise every Borg vessel would be using massive amounts of power just maintaining empty alcoves. :/
@@grayeaglej Exactly! The whole point of mentioning such a high power usage even when empty was just meant to make it more impressive and melodramatic, as in Cpt. Janeway "keeping the room warm" for Seven's return.
@@edinfific2576 Yus, which works from a Drama perspective but falls apart as soon you think about it for two seconds. :/ Screen Writers are sometimes some of the stupidist people on earth, second only to Politicians :/
1:30 30 Million watts of idle power consumption for a cybernetic organism recharger? That is highly inefficient. Why not put in a sleep mode when not in use? Also what Trek technology gets around the Law of thermodynamics of heat generated by that power consumption? Cryptominers want to know.
No kidding. The problem is not a need for "strong female characters". The problem is that a bunch of culty ideologues are invading popular culture in recent years.
@@darrengriffin8609 hahaha. Yea right. That be why discovery is known as the std of star trek. You don't have strong women leads by crushing the male leads .
@@trilobite2500 agreed. I think they had one weapons dealer. Just wish they would've run out once or twice. Or mention it in some way. Not complaining about watching photons fired though
@@trilobite2500 Or that they couldn't figure out a way to make them. It was Starfleet's most advanced vessel to date. They don't have some tools onboard?
I think the cortical implant was what the Dr. installed when first treating Seven, to replace the Borg implant. So it actually wasn't Borg technology that was enhanced. I could be wrong, though.
Yes, but it might have been enhanced with any kind of technology. I guess the Borg Queen felt it necessary to specify what kind of tech she was enhancing it with. Which is a little strange in itself. Doesn't she always enhance things with Borg technology? What other kind of technology would she use? I guess she wanted to assure 7 of 9 that she wouldn't use any cheap Ferengi tech she had lying around her warehouse. She would only use the good stuff on Seven.
You can bet yo ass on it, that if this were some ordinary crewman from Deck 7 section 11 or whatever, they wouldn't have put nearly as much effort into this or maybe even declared them lost to the Borg to begin with. This was, for the most part, all about Janeway going after her own favourite crewman.
The *BORG* violated *7 of 9* physiology while she was unconscious (e.g. sleeping) & just like humans, or mankind *7 of 9* understandably view it as a violation & don't like having her body played with without approval.
Naomi's ideas are meant to sound childish or wishful thinking... But she's only repeating techno babble Bull crap ideas the writers have actually used in other episodes to solve similar problems
I mean, her idea was to check in a area that they were able to check in, and if she was found, to rescue her. That was a completely logical thing to do.
I always liked that Star Trek encouraged the kids on the ship. Also Naomi had a lot of smart “uncles” and “aunties” to learn from. Wouldn’t be surprised to see her become the C.I.C of starfleet one day with her well rounded knowledge of all departments.
Callum, that was part of the joke, as they were making fun of themselves and the ‘techno babble Bull crap’. Oh, by the way, where are your scripts and story ideas? 🤔
Technically its called Jargon, its only babble bull crap when you don't understand it or it has no real sense to current applied science. Naomi's idea is only about scanning for a known transponder signal (which can be done in real life) her only flaw was she didn't factor in the scope of the area and travel speeds of a borg ship.
@@TheMelbournelad Fun Fact, In Star Trek Online Naomi Wildman is a Captain and in command of ole Deep Space K-7. Sadly despite lots of Voyager actors coming on board, they haven't gotten Miss Pomers to reprise her role as of yet.
Janeway: We’re low on power. Neleix: Shall I turn off Seven’s alcove to save power? She’s not here to use it. Janeway: No, leave it on. Crew: 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
You’ll never get these moments on Discovery. Discovery will just have the crew speed reading their lines and talking over each other before someone howl “I love science”..
