Shimano Drivetrain Comparison - XTR vs. XT vs. SLX vs. Deore

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Shimano has multiple drivetrain levels and in this video, we are going to explain the differences between them all. Consider this your Shimano Drivetrain Buyer's guide. Recently, Shimano completed their hierarchy of drivetrain groupsets with the release of the Deore 12 speed groupo. With the borrowed technology from XTR, XT, and SLX, there is a 12-speed drivetrain offered at every price point. In this video, Jeff walks us through the physical differences, weights, and shifting characteristics of each drivetrain group kit. Also included is a deep dive into each group's individual components which include the crankset, chainring, shifter, derailleur, hub spline, and chain. Get comfortable and take it all in!
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@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

Protip: The XT shifter works on SLX and Deore, giving you double downshift capability (and nicer shift feel) on the cheaper groupsets.

@Mike-oz4cv 4 года назад

Good tip. Getting an expensive cassette, chain (consumables) or rear derailleur (likely to break) just doesn’t make sense.

@isthisnametaken978 3 года назад

Aren't all the Shimano components cross compatible between groupsets as long as they're the same gear count?

@PedroHenrique-dn1dj 3 года назад

@@isthisnametaken978 I'd say even beyond that..I use a zee derailleur in a 36 tooth cassette, which, although 10 speed like the derailleur, it shouldn't work because of the gap between cogs, but it's worked smooth for the last three years, plus, I use an altus 9 speed crank, and even with the bigger chainring pretty much destroyed for me using it as a bash guard it still works fine with and I never have chain dropping. Summing up, if you wanna follow the manual rules then the answer is not always (like zee components with bigger cassettes for instance) now if you don't mind experimenting a little, then you can even extrapolate that rule a little.

@Mike-oz4cv 3 года назад

@@isthisnametaken978 At least one counter-example comes to mind: The latest Shimano Tiagra 4700 road groupset is 10 speed but has a different pull ratio than other/older 10 speed groupsets.

@isthisnametaken978 3 года назад

@@PedroHenrique-dn1dj I've been using zee m640 shifter paired with deore xt m786 derailleur, both 10 speed. Shifts without a problem, except some delay in shifting down from 8th to 7th gear. Probably because I had to tighten the b screw to accommodate the 42t cassette, larger than m786 was intended for. Or could be because it's a cheapo offbrand cassette from China. Or a combination of both. But I doubt it's because the zee/deore xt combo.

@chrismitchell4665 4 года назад

It's incredible how genuine and honest he is. Not pushing higher priced items. I seriously only want to buy from these guys after seeing these videos. Great work!

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Thanks mate! I believe honesty is the best policy. I'm not here to BS people. 👊

@matthewvale4545 4 года назад

They don't call him Honest Jeff for nothing

@adamf.8564 4 года назад

Chris Mitchell you have no idea. They are the most humble dudes EVER. During this pandemic they have been nothing short of AMAZING. I have purchased stuff from them in the past 2 months and will do even more in the future. Jeff is amazing and the dudes who work for them as well.

@jonl8816 3 года назад

It's not always pushing the higher sale if they'll return it...

@amahana6188 3 года назад

This video made me a customer of theirs.

@n1sm0r 3 года назад

After watching this video I ended up going SLX rather than XT and have some $ left over for several rounds of post ride beers (once we are safely able to do so). Thanks for being a man of the people!

@poduss44 3 года назад

I feel like the difference is night and day when you are shifting in real life applications with loads of torque. This is when for example the XT or XTR truly shine as you can shift while at full power and it doesn’t cause any problems which for me is a game changer

@poplaurentiu4148 2 года назад

For competitions or as a sponsor bike ok i would agree otherwise for daily use the XTR doesn't make any sense with that price.. i get the upper quality materials are expensive but still one full XTR set costing 4x Deore sets is insane : like i could have 4 different fully Deore equipped bikes or one bike fully equipped with Deore set and still 3 full sets as spares to replace.. just say'n regarding XTR price, so in my case for double switching thru gears i would really get XT shifters +rear deraylor and everything else Deore since they are compatible and still benefit of the 2x faster nicer shift feel. brakes in my case i got full set front +rear Magura MT7 - with 4 pistons they work awesome.. so yeah..

@serafinlagunas 3 месяца назад

Youre crap is probably not adjusted correctly. For the average rider an slx or max xt is acceptable

@poduss44 2 месяца назад

@@serafinlagunas yeah you’re totally right. XT is perfect

@bensimon8646 4 года назад

Awesome video Jeff and all at WWC! I’ve been wondering about the differences between the tiers and this comparison knocked it out of the park

@ColaGangster1 4 года назад

I really appreciate that you took the time to measure the parts yourself and avoid doing mistakes this way. Really nice video.

@alancastro4134 3 года назад

I run for my shimano xt for almost 10 years and still kicking on a trail!

@patrickcordero6673 Год назад

One of the best review I've ever watched. Very detailed and well organized when it comes to comparing.

@Deuteross 4 года назад

Get the Deore and spend the saved money on a high end fork instead.

@mazditzo 4 года назад

Or treat your other half so you can ride anytime you want :D

@mattpatt 4 года назад

@@mazditzo works best if she really wants a Garmin watch and the watch is already in the mail when you order a new bike!

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

Yup, Get Deore with XT shifter, spend the money you save on other upgrades.

@Manetty6 3 года назад

*get cheap suspensions components (a base model to serve as a chassis) and made them custom tuned by someone (eg. avalanche). it will be faaar better than anything fancy, over marketing bullshited, heroin priced shit.

@colintraveller 3 года назад

You don't need a high end fork you dunderheed .. you just need better riding skills ....dave yer money If you really want suspension that actually works .. Buy a Motorbike

@Heinz1zwei 4 года назад

Greetings from Germany! You guys make quality content.

@adamweb 4 года назад

the R in XTR stands for Rich!

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

😂 Probably!

@graysonadams2485 4 года назад

Either that or race

@scottpatterson8289 4 года назад

Xpensive To Replace

@abhishekjmadan 3 года назад

@@scottpatterson8289 SLX - slightly less xpensive

@daulusmoretto 3 года назад

Actuality it means, eXTraRich! See what I done there?🙃🤣

@cortarelva 3 года назад

I don`t race and I have a family to support so the Deore stuff looks just right for someone who only rides for fun and does not give a crap about MTB snobs.

@nasonguy 3 года назад

Ain’t that the truth! I am lucky enough that I can ride almost every day of the week. I am rocking a budget build, got about $700 in it right now. SLX brakes, used XT homemade 1x10 drivetrain, no name rims with Shimano hubs, midrange suntour fork, etc.... It never fails to put a slightly sadistic smile on my face when I pass people on their high end full sus carbon frame bikes. But then I realize that they’re just out there riding also, having probably just as much fun as I am and I’m just being a judgemental asshole. Who am I to judge their 8k bike. I would ride it if I could afford it, lol.

@Fred_the_1996 3 года назад

@@nasonguycouldn't agree more

@phillipconnolly5020 3 года назад

@@nasonguy Ha someone who actually made a fair point on the Internet for once. Refreshing. Also many people, myself included would ride every day but I have a business to run. I go to the gym 5 days a week in the early AM and ride on the weekends. I can afford expensive bikes but only because I work hard and have been lucky at other times. At some point though the team will be big enough where I can ride more during the week :) Cheers and happy riding mate.

@nasonguy 3 года назад

@@phillipconnolly5020 Keep the rubber side down buddy!

@frankhungch 2 года назад

Ironic that you rae the only snob here lol

@mjojrjr6231 3 года назад

Definitely the best comparison of different groupset and their prices with the best most transparent feedback 👍👍👍

@WorldwideCyclery 3 года назад

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

@bartverstraeten2701 3 года назад

Now this is a detailed review. As always perfect explanation.

@mattdelcomyn8012 4 года назад

Great review! I've wanted to hear something like this for a long time! Thanks!!

@steven44goldberg 4 года назад

You guys rock! Thanks for all the great content. Cant wait to see you evaluate and breakdown SRAM’s Eagle lineup of XX1, XO1, GX, NX, SX, XX1 AXS, and XO1 AXS !

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

It's coming!

@steven44goldberg 4 года назад

Can’t wait!!!!!!! I had no doubt you guys were!

@deathstroke1537 4 года назад

@@aamgdp you sure about that?

@spiral99able 3 года назад

@@WorldwideCyclery that's what she said.

@bengoh26 3 года назад

On older models, XT and XTR allows instant shifter release, meaning the chain drops right after the shifter lever is pressed before returning, but Deore shifter lever has to return before chain drops. Something to note and I got the XT for this reason.

@skfunk4550 4 года назад

Holy moly poo, seriously if you guys had a shop in England, i would spend my money with you even if i had to pay extra compared to others for the simple reason that, i like honest, well explained and fun. It's everything i haven't got anywhere near me. Ok, now i'm waiting for the next video😁

@thetruth6267 4 года назад

Awesome video! I have the deore set-up on my Kona... I've always thought it was the smoothest I've had, and wondered if it was even possible to have a better set-up!! The fact that you said they all shift like butter, makes me think about spending that money elsewhere on my bike now! Good stuff!!

@High5ballooning 4 года назад

I have an SLX drivetrain on a FS XC 29 Alloy Bike. It's perfect for my style and riding on dutch flat and smooth trails. Just ride for fun and keep myself healthy and fit. Great vids guys. Keeps me updated with al the cool stuff out there.

@Psyclist80 4 года назад

Thanks for the breakdown fellas!

@cookingconfessions 3 года назад

XT has always been my go-to drive-train and preferably the complete bike fitted like this. However in my newest bike I am actually mixing and matching components and it’s been interesting. Front meg is Deore. Rear meg is XTR. Breaks levers and calibers are Deore but shifters XT because of their added functionality and crisp feel. My honest opinion is that Shimano is over complicating things. Deore is fine for most, but bikesnobs like me ride XT (because it’s cooler and because we finally can afford it and a set of carbon wheels) XT is a hell of a nice group set. XTR are for pros where seconds matter. SLX to me is the odd one out, just like the 105. Almost but not really...

@andreaslange8256 Год назад

I think the SLX does an important job. It allows a beginner to choose to go low-cost on the first hand (Deore) or to spend a little more (SLX), just to show some extra commitment, reflecting the own positive expectations about the new hobby. On the other hand, same goes for most routined riders, not those few likely to go for XTR: Choice between XT (best with still reasonable price point) or budget-friendly, but more than decent (and not beginner model) SLX. Having such options to choose makes customers happy, and happy customers buy stuff.

@nafnaf0 Год назад

Yes I agree. The XT shifter in particular is worth it, it also has the rubber bits on the shifter grips

@cookingconfessions Год назад

@@andreaslange8256 Shimano clearly must succeed greatly with their strategy, since they would not be doing it if it didn't pay off. How ever I am not sure consumers are benefitting. Huge production and developing costs lays hidden in having to produce so many different components and I think Deore and XT could both become more affordable IF the development of SLX was cut out. I do how ever find Shimano a democratic and fair company in the sense that they have allowed compatibility within the whole Deore Eco-system. That in itself is quite amazing that you can mix from all tiers of their product range and not have to commit exclusively to one group-set. Smart choice undoubtedly as it gives customers the option to upgrade and bike shops the possibly downgrade and flash a high-end rear meg to make the whole package seem greater value. That along with a set of entry level tires (which in my humble opinion should be banned as they are waste of money) and we're in business!

@killough71010 Год назад

No I would definitely say deore is the odd man out. Best bang for your buck is slx groupset with an XT shifter. I wouldn't let deore touch anything SLX and above.

@Marc-su1jj 3 года назад

Thank you a lot for this! I looking so lang for someone to show me this major differents...

@lsmeteor4652 3 года назад

Great video. It is clearly well explained and made the comparison a lot easier than doing one by myself. Thank you so much.

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Which Shimano drivetrain would you run on your bike? Btw, we have a SRAM version of this same comparison: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9JmU5r5T_WU.html

@sebastiendoucet2058 4 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery the one they put on Walmart bikes

@ericr7162 4 года назад

Xt or slx

@tommorellato470 4 года назад

XT because of the number of clicks to change the gears and the clutch adjustment, also price for me 🤘🏻

@diegovillacrez8349 4 года назад

Mix of Deore and SLX, May have to get that XT Shifter for double upshifts.

@joshdonley2842 4 года назад

ride whatever comes on my bike then upgrade to xt when ive used stuff for a year or so

@daedelus6602 4 года назад

I run a SLX 11s set with the XT shifter ( 4 down/ 4 up) and loving it.

@cgreeneblue 4 года назад

You get 4 gears with a lever push?

@eryanestorco8268 4 года назад

this is what im looking for. thank you 👍🏽 ride safe always

@jonathanwarren4288 3 года назад

Great video, love the in depth comparison. You guys should do one comparing a the new brakes too!

@Yertman6966 3 года назад

As a bike tech, yes you can see the quality differences when you tune the bike. However, SLX and Deore run so well, and if you could ride blindfolded, the only difference between these is how they sound shifting and the double trigger downshift. Absolutely love the quality of Deore, definitely worth it over Sram SX and even NX

@hamsterworks 2 года назад

The SLX and XT shifter also has 'instant release' - It drops the cog when you press, not when you release. If is minor, but adds to a snappy feel.

@northwestmountainbikeaddic6874 Год назад

Plus the weight difference

@yourfatson8262 4 года назад

I use the Deore cassette Bc the steel is more durable and xt derailleur and cranks and xtr shifter

@Alexandros_Patsialidis 4 года назад

That’s a rad combo!

@conman1395 4 года назад

So you use the cheapest component that makes the biggest difference in performance? They all shift the same but feel is only 10% difference at most. But the cassette is the biggest tangible difference because it's so much heavier

@roilev 4 года назад

I'd use SRAM NX cassette instead. Not only it is more durable but also compatible with Shimano HG. Missed opportunity here by Shimano

@yourfatson8262 4 года назад

Ivo Roilev I have a micro spline hub thought and the range is 1 tooth less

@Ropetable 4 года назад

@@roilev shimanos 5100 cassette is 11-51teeth and compatible with the old hg freehub. 11 speed though

@_xnk7257 3 года назад

Great video, great production quality and very insightful

@joshdonley2842 4 года назад

Would like to see the brake sets compared

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

We basically did that and more in this video in article - www.worldwidecyclery.com/blogs/worldwide-cyclery-blog/sram-vs-shimano-brake-buyers-guide-the-ultimate-comparison-video

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

so from my own personal experience, SLX 4 pistons are amazingly good, only thing XT gets you is a small weight reduction.

@quaaludes7898 3 года назад

@@mrvwbug4423 That's what i take from it. If I'm not mistaken the calipers are the same throughout the range, the difference being the external finish.

@overland_adventure_nz 4 года назад

I'm loving my Shimano XT 2×12 groupset on my bikepacking mountain bike 👍

@andys4971 3 года назад

2x group sets get bashed a lot but not all of us want a 1x, not everyone wanted less gears for less complexity. It’s a preference thing

@wareagle4130 4 года назад

Shimano seems to refer to these as; Doere, SLX, "Deore XT", & XTR. Throwing the "Deore" in on the XT name feels like Shimano is actively trying to confuse us. Thank God for WWC for helping demystify this stuff!

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Dude! Don't get me started on confusing BS Shimano does. Have you looked at the part numbers and shifter / brake lever mounting terms and variants?! 😂🤦‍♂️

@theshonen8899 4 года назад

SLX used to be Deore LX. So it used to be worse.

@luggasw9009 3 года назад

In the 90 ties they were all „deore“ and there also was a DX

@borspeti 3 года назад

Great video, lot of help. I'd love to see the differences between the brakes and hubs as well.

@edwardweiszbeck1649 3 года назад

Your vids are so thorough and much appreciated for that 👍

@liers99 3 года назад

I’ve had full XT on every ride including brakes. Now I’m digging the trickledown tech to save money in some places and everything works together. I think if I was in the market I would go for SLX with the XT shifter and cassette.

@axelwphoto 4 года назад

I can say from experience the ‘feel’ between the groups is the biggest change between them outside of the weight. Crispy shifts are important for quick riding. The SLX and Deore can feel plastic-like and kind of hollow. Whereas the XT & XTR is actuated almost immediately with a firm click of the shifter. It can be related to manual transmissions between cars that are basic daily drivers, and sports cars or ones with a short throw shifter. In a sporty / aggressive situation, you’re gonna want those immediate, quick and crispy shifts!!

@QoraxAudio 2 года назад

That immediate and smooth actuation of the derailleur can be achieved on those cheaper ones too, but it requires a lot more maintenance to keep it that smoothly because they're made to less tight tolerances... there's more drift, so you need to readjust things more often and perfect lubrication plays a way bigger role compared to the higher end ones.

@zinzander2978 Год назад

Wow here was me thinking it was technical ability and fitness. Guess I’ll be the next Amaury or Nino when I get xtr. Unless you are like top 10 nationally or regionally and race seriously you are just doing it for bling factor. Even if you are you would get it handed to you by a world class rider. So let be honest you are just buying bling and maybe the real difference is a lack of ability, which is sweet but don’t pretend you need the performance. Your not that good you might save 1/100of a second .

@SourPatchPuss Год назад

100% agree with your shifter analogy. A lot of people seem to think theres no different between the different levels but I absolutely seem to notice the feel, sturdiness, responsiveness, and overall quality of the XT compared to something like Deore or SLX. Those are still great groupsets but for the small price increase to go to XT, its definitely worth it in my opinion.

@PatrikSvensson82 3 года назад

Really good review and desciptions! Thanks!

@auswi 2 года назад

After 3 months on a new Giant Trance X Pro 0, just stumbled across this video which has helped me learn 1: That my XT shifters have double downshifting (to a harder gear) using your thumb, but only single using your index finger (didn't realise there was double shifting but noticed that it only does that with your thumb). 2: XT shifters have a triple upshifting with your thumb. 3: There is a clutch on the XTR derailleur to make it easier to take the back wheel off. Thanks for the video. Super useful.

@fanihermiani2450 4 года назад

I would really like a video about what are the difference between sram and shimano groupsets !!

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Oh it's coming!

@SnootchieBootchies27 4 года назад

Main difference is sram is overpriced and feels clunkier.

@christianholmstedt8770 4 года назад

Shimano is better. That's the main difference LOL.

@Kovacs-sf1hi 4 года назад

Yuuup the difference is Sram is overpriced and feels smoother**

@ianlynch6345 4 года назад

It would be great to see a xt vx gx! thanks

@jaytroxel3495 3 года назад

Hell, I like the fact that he's got the Bourbon bottle behind him for decoration... lol. Looks like it's been tapped and some is missing too. Great, honest review!

@niemand7212 Год назад

Thx for the realistic and honest overview! 👍🏻

@mountainbiker8904 4 года назад

Wonderfully insightful vid: thx!

@NoBrakes23 4 года назад

Nice to see that SLX cranks are still lighter than XT, (this trend goes back at least 2-3 generations.) And it still looks like a mix of SLX/XT is still a nice balance between cost and features. (I'm trying SRAM on my new build, but still running a XT/SLX/Saint/Zee mix on my 26" bike and 105/XT/SLX/Zee on my road bike.)

@joshdonley2842 4 года назад

Thank you so much for this video

@ppapdddar6159 Год назад

Amazing video. Very well put together and very VERY informative. Thank you.

@davetaylor7664 3 года назад

Super useful! Trying to work out which groupsets are better than which was a minffield for me!

@tnlonnie03 4 года назад

Great comparison video. You guys rock. But, you forgot to mention the index finger shifting(pull or push for harder gear) My XT has it, but I’m not sure if SLX and Deore do. It’s something I learned after 4 months of ownership and it’s great!

@xx-----------xx873 4 года назад

Dual release. It’s only for XT and XTR.

@alcapone4242 2 года назад

2-way release is a feature of SLX, too. 👍🏼

@noahbirdrevolution 4 года назад

I love my 1x11 slx m7000 groupset. I pieced it together over a few weeks for about $260.

@christianholmstedt8770 4 года назад

2x11 XT here. Shifts smooth as butter. Scored the entire groupset with brakes for $625.

@musbox 2 года назад

Excellent video for a newbie like myself who's been researching his next "value"bike and getting lost in the component woods...

@medallionsales 3 года назад

Great review! nice job on the amount of information.

@MR-dv6ms 4 года назад

Old school equivalent of Deore LX, Deore DX, Deore XT and XTR

@judithcarvalho4810 3 года назад

Very interesting video. I just wonder about the durability of the components.

@nhpeterm 2 года назад

Thanks for making these videos!

@PetterBruland 3 года назад

WOW stopped by for a quick overview, and leaving with a Dr degree in drivetrains :) Thank you. Thinking about moving off my old setup to a new 12 gear setup. Maybe I need a new hub/rim for this....

@garydecker3281 4 года назад

I am currently working on getting a SB130 with XT build.

@James-yy4vl 4 года назад

Nice

@gen-X-trader 3 года назад

I don't race and just do casual day rides, naturally XTR is the choice :)

@yuglobalcitizen2246 Год назад

Holy crap, very educational. Learn a lot today. Thank you!

@phantomxo18games98 3 года назад

Yep, definitely best bike shop ever doesn’t just sell bikes but also give us all the updates/information we need to know about.

@coconutmallman 3 года назад

I like how when he's talking about weight he pulls out an LG gram

@jc854R 3 года назад

who else misses the way the old XTR derailleur looks, with that gold clutch lever

@DaviCupra 4 года назад

Great video! Cheers from Portugal!

@evgeni200 3 года назад

Best explanation I ever had about drivetrains

@biznatcho7 4 года назад

I'd argue that almost all of the 'feel' comes from the shifter.

@topspot4834 3 года назад

True, but I was surprised when I upgraded chains and felt a noticable difference. Biggest difference I ever felt in a single upgrade was going from 18t to 54t star ratchet on my 350 hubs.

@biznatcho7 3 года назад

@@topspot4834 new chains always feel like you have a brand new drivetrain in my experience. I’ve been spoiled my near instantaneous engagement. Hopping on a regular hub recently highlighted that to me.

@imranvp 3 года назад

@@biznatcho7 Can you elaborate on that please? What is a regular hub? And what did you switch from if you don't mind me asking? I'm an MTB newbie so I'm trying to understand all this better.

@biznatcho7 3 года назад

@@imranvp I didn't switch but I did ride a buddy's Ibis Logo hubs recently. Those are 36T hubs, so 10* of rotation between teeth (360* / 36T = 10*). That free rotation between teeth means that you will feel the pedals/cranks spin freely before the pawls engage and drive the rear wheel to get you going. There will also be a noticeable clunk. This will only be noticeable when starting from a standstill, pedaling again after slow speed coasting, ratcheting cranks through slow technical sections, etc. None of this is a big deal when you're first starting out (or ever for some people) but it can be noticeable if you're used to something with higher engagement (more teeth/less free rotation). In my case, I have i9 Hydras (0.5* or whatever) and Onyx Classics (0* due to sprag clutch instead of ratchet-pawl). Hope that helps.

@alexbyne4571 4 года назад

perfect just what I was after could u do one on for or rockshox levels please

@fartrellcluggins 2 года назад

This explained things so well for s dummy like myself. Thanks guys.

@Dpher 4 года назад

Just bought Xt groupset this weekend!

@TangoOne 4 года назад

WWC tells me that shipping may be slower due to covid. I placed an order on friday and got it on Saturday (the next day... with free shipping)

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Oohhh yeah baby 👊👊💩

@aldeux7086 3 года назад

SLX is the sweet spot for me. Great quality for a cheap price.

@NickyNicest 2 года назад

Deore cassette Ftw Bc it’s steel and stronger. Then again I have an emtb so I’m not counting grams by any means..

@andyjohnson9714 3 года назад

Great comparison!

@gregmoderncity 2 года назад

Fantastic review!

@adamwasser4960 3 года назад

Great information! One thing not mentioned in this video is the durability of each groupset. Are they also more durable as you move up to better groupsets? and if so can that help to justify the price increases if you don't need to replace parts as frequently?

@paulwhat322 2 года назад

Yes!! But the opposite is true. Xtr is for racing and less durable than xt.

@Fitnesstrainingpersonaltv 2 года назад

@@paulwhat322 that was the GOLD Answer i was waiting for!! Thank you so much! You made me finally get the point for a decision. So I will stay on XT rather than changing to XTR for less weight because as you mentioned XT is the more durable one ! ❤️

@paulwhat322 2 года назад

@@Fitnesstrainingpersonaltv You are welcome!👍😁. I mean XTR is beautiful stuff and often the focus of my fantasy lol🤣, but with what I've seen and heard it's all about weight saving which a few grams make a difference in a professional race, but seems that in normal use xt is slightly more robust and durable. The important thing is to get out there and ride. Whatever you are on😉👍👍 Enjoy and good luck!

@alcapone4242 2 года назад

The longest life has an deore and SLX groupset. XT and XTR are lighter but are made of softer materials. So you have to replace the higher sets (cassette, chain, chainring) more often than on the deore and SLX groupsets. Have a look on here ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Xz3RI4sgvQU.html XTR cassette needs to get fixed by this guy to not remove the whole expensive cassette

@woduk 3 года назад

Hope don’t make carbon cranks either. hmm new hope ally cranks and xtr 12spd on my bike would look nice.

@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 2 года назад

That Jack Black scene had me cracking up. Gotta wonder how many takes it took to perfect it and how much the crew was laughing as they shot the scene! Thanks for the great review comparing and contrasting the group sets. Just got a new bike that has the SLX and will see how it performs. Willing to upgrade to XT or XTR in the future.....

@abdulghaniparmin5393 2 года назад

Thx WC,I have been always confused about the different Shimano drivetrains..

@jared_erickson 4 года назад

Looking at the Stand box in the background and now I am hungry :/ GIMMIE ONE OF THOSE BURGERS

@lidarman2 3 года назад

2:43 "The really high-end stuff vs the slightly less expensive stuff" Remember the "slightly less" expensive stuff is on $300 vs $1350 for XTR...I mere factor of 4.5. So there you have it, slightly less = 1/4.5. Ironically, I spend a ton of money on XTR components that I wore out from riding so hard when I was a young strong rider...but I didn't need it. Now I am old, slow, bitter with money I can't live up to that level of gear.

@TechWiz1983 3 года назад

Just ordered the 2021 ML Trek Fuel EX 8 XT in Rage Red to Dnister Black Fade colour. Can’t wait to receive & send it! Came here to learn about what’s on my new bike 😏

@nunyabiznes32 3 года назад

XT for life...thanks for putting this together!

@aldana86al 4 года назад

With xt you can actually drop 3 gears if you use both thumb and index shifter.2 thumb push and 1 index pull on its way back.😉👍

@Poplavskyi 2 года назад

Could you record a video how to do that? Would be useful for many people

@ananthkutuva3748 4 года назад

8:17 Lg Gram to talk about the weights eh?

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

So happy someone noticed this 😂

@MBdrummer3288 4 года назад

An absolute excellent job on this comparison. Now, I want to know what you’re running on your bikes!

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

Well to be honest... Always Sram. I have many reasons but that is an entire other video we need to make 😁

@davidwilfong7262 3 года назад

Please do, I’m looking to upgrade one bike and buy another and would love the advice

@MBdrummer3288 3 года назад

Worldwide Cyclery thanks for answering and I AM looking forward to that video! Great stuff Jeff. Really enjoy your vids man.

@Bob_Shy_132 4 года назад

Good job Jeff.

@benasquith26 4 года назад

Slx cassette, cranks and derailleur with an xt shifter, don’t want to spend lots on a derailleur as that can easily be broken and i don’t want to spend lots on a cassette as that will wear out and I’m not bothered about the wait or the cranks, they’re just cranks. But I do like the double shift on the xt. In my opinion this is the better value option if your doing a bike build, you can then spend more money on other stuff like suspension which will give you more of a benefit on the trail.

@AbdullahAdnanID 4 года назад

Hey nice thoughts. Still building my bike here. I will try your build

@aimanhazim1219 3 года назад

Currently riding this set up and its great!

@mtb4l484 4 года назад

Do all of the cassettes require microspline? Will the 12 speed cassette fit an 11 speed freebody hub on any of these or do they all require a specific freebody?

@WorldwideCyclery 4 года назад

All require microspline

@Justin-ny6un 4 года назад

Deore M4100(10s 11-46)/M5100(11s 11-51) are also available and for standard freehub. Or M6100 and Sunrace/SRAM 12s cassette If you don’t want to change freehub. Shimano released a Microspline freehub with the Deore 12 speed. FH-MT410/FH-MT410-B for about $/£30 and uses cartridge bearings. I had my wheel rebuilt using one of these until I buy a new wheel set

@roilev 4 года назад

You can use SRAM NX cassette, it works with retro shimano (unlike shimano).

@jfkusa123 4 года назад

You can get a 12 speed sunrace cassette that will work

@keithchristner4522 4 года назад

great video! i'm currently in the planning process of my Marino chromoly hardtail, and i was actually planning on going with the Deore groupo to begin with, but now that I know it's under $300, i'm totally sold on it. i don't think there really is ANY bad Shimano groupset. my 2x Acera is still a pretty decent, smooth shifting drivetrain and i'm pretty sure it would cost less than Deore 1x.

@jdotroze 4 года назад

Great stuff! Hoping to get an XT one day

@stilianivanov3377 3 года назад

I use SLX groupset with XT shifter. Also I have drilled the cap thats covering the clutch, so I can access the bolt underneath, so I can adjust it quickly. Of course I covered the hole by tapping threads in the plastic and I 3d printed a screw which fits perfectly. I also added an O-ring to make sure no water is going inside the clutch. I really hate the cycling industry, since they can never justify their prices for what you get....

@icewallowcum856 4 года назад

honestly, not much people will notice/need xtr stuff. slx cassete xt shifter and derailer and slx cranks maybe eaven deore doesnt matter as much

@xx-----------xx873 4 года назад

I'd say that an XTR shifter is worth it, with an XT derailleur, an Deore casette, and a Deore crankset would be the best performance/lifespan ratio.

@mrvwbug4423 4 года назад

The selection of aftermarket carbon cranks is a lot better for the Shimano BB standards vs SRAM Dub, just sayin ;)

@francoghirardelli7929 2 года назад

Excelente video. Muy buenos detalles y muy clara la explicación. Me quedó clarísima la diferencia. THank you very much

@goexplore318 3 года назад

You Always do great reviews thanks,,

@WorldwideCyclery 3 года назад

👊🏻👊🏻

@darkhorse581 4 года назад

My 2006 Sram X0 downshifts 3 gears at a time

@jeffloucks2120 4 года назад

Yeah I don't get the limited shifts and then it's only 2? I could swear my old 90's XTR reversed 9 speed could do 3 as well. I just want that thing back.

@benasquith26 4 года назад

That’s going down the gears, I think he said it the wrong way round, you can do lots of shifts down, from the little one to the bigger ones, but can do only on on up on SRAM stuff, 1-12

@xx-----------xx873 4 года назад

You can go down 3, and up 2. Eagle can go down 5 and up 1. Eagle Grip shift can go 11 up and 11 down

@liamwoods5353 4 года назад

I know they make great fishing products, are they new to the bike industry???

@snat6299 3 года назад

No they have been making bike stuff for 50 years

@joystix11 3 года назад

I didn't even know they made fishing products until last month.

@romariossoossoiramor150 4 года назад

Thanks! A Great review

@james.d.8044 3 года назад

Awesome video appreciate all the great info 👍 😀

@athiftsabit1208 3 года назад

Meanwhile i'm using shimano's alivio lmao

@fazza2104 3 года назад

I’m confused, I thought Deore was the name of their drivetrains like “Deore xt m8100”

@pythological1505 3 года назад

Faz5HD imagine the XT as a Deore Pro, no idea why they still keep Deore in the XT brand name

@kahoycrafts 3 года назад

Great comparison video! I used to only buy XT, but now SLX is the sweet spot, and Deore is a close runner-up. Btw never noticed or felt any of my crank arms flex, maybe I'm not strong enough.

@paulwhat322 2 года назад

Yeah, the bike frame will flex long before the cranks

@hubdeep9452 4 года назад

One of my bikes still has it's original deore DX groupset and it still works as slick as new. Another bike I hooked up DX thumbshifters to a Sora rear mech and it works great (even though it shouldn't). I've still got xtr rear mechs from the 90s that work despite over 20 years of being battered. Shimano stuff can last ages. I hope my new stuff lasts as long as my old stuff.