I run xt casette with xtr chain and xtr derailleur with xt shift lever.. the crank is Xx1 with AB oval chainring with shimano tooth profile. The reason is..I love the shimano shifting mech but i impressed by the sram carbon cranks. ✌️
I've never understood the obsession with a few grams of weight in cycling and bike components. If you have a decent dump or a pee before you get on your bike, that will save much more weight than lashing out hundreds of pounds for a very slightly lighter cassette for instance.
I understand you, those high end products are meant for racing, but that does not mean that people does wrong by spending money in a lighter bike. You can always stop to poo/pee.
thats what i always said. im sure a few grams isnt gonna make you get 8th place and if thats the case its not the weight of the bike but the rider. the weight of the frame is probably the only thing that would make a difference.
The last jump to XTR level components or any of the top level parts is generally a pretty massive price jump for a modest weight savings. If you add up all the weight savings and performance gains of the next level down across the entire bike it is definitely noticeable. Specifically in the wheels, but again cumulatively these differences add up to quite a bit. If you get a chance to ride a high end bike and then the low end model you may find the fun factor is worth the extra 2k in bike price.
@@NONO-hz4vo I always look at it from a supply / demand perspective. If there was no demand they wouldn't make it. People buy it because they have the money and they want it.
It's an absolute joke and just like rolex watches aren't expensive to make neither is that chainset. They're laughing at bikers wanting to shave 0.4 seconds off of a time.
@@doubleL_S learn something new about professional equipment: 0.1 seconds can be the difference between a win and a loss. If you are not a professional, you have no need for one. No one is forcing you to buy expensive parts, you can buy an Alivio if you want or whatever 😂
Fr i just recently bought my first bike and i was so confused by the different prices of the same model. How does one bike cost 500 and at the same time 1500$...
@@sepg5084 ouch.. That's my drivetrain! I pretty recently learned what that drivetrain is aimed at, and how cheap it is. And damn dude, it's way more than just 0,1 second. Do you know how much my fork and front wheel weighs? It's like having a small child strapped to my handlebars.. :( So strange to me to complain about prices for bike parts when you consider that a pair of pants can easily go for above 100€. I bet that people complaining here have no idea exactly how crappy the cheap parts really are. For example, the Alivio bottom-bracket in my bike is 70% plastic. It looks like a rat lives in there- that's how much dirt it collects. Sorry, had to rant.. I'm very frustrated with my bike atm. Everything is fucking crumbling.
Tourney is the most expensive because it breaks down and needs replacement so much. Its cheaper to go Deore and only change chains and brake pads every once in a while. Trust me I did it. And if you want to upgrade Tourney the brakes, shifters, hubs and everything else is only compatible with the lower groupsets so you might as well buy a new bike. Start with Deore if price is a problem you won't go wrong.
Actualy SLX is the worst IMO, from everything that we heard in this video and what I know from previos versions if you want to go on budget go Deore, if you want great performance, durability and tech go XT. XTR is for racers and for guys who have a lot of money to throw around. SLX is more expensive that deore but you dont get any more performance, same shifting and little less weight... and it looks fugly with that gray color.
I'm actually thinking deore with the XT shifter (rapid shift also to smaller cogs). My bike came with SLX but if I were to build it myself or buy from a brand where I can pick all the components, I'd see no reason to go with SLX. Sure it's lighter but most bikes these days weigh so much that 300 grams don't matter a lot.
Not really feels *exactly* the same as Deore, so other than weight (which is legit reason for someone to go SLX) Deore is the sweet spot, preferably with XT shifter. Maybe go SLX crankset simply cos it's possibly the cheapest way to save 150 grams ever if you see difference in Deore and SLX crankset cost, but other than crankset potentially nothing from SLX makes sense over Deore.
After using a couple 1x11 Deore drivetrains (and finding them solid), the newer 1x12 Deore is a nice improvement, shifts noticeably better than the 1x11. I have a 1x12 SLX on another bike and it is the sweet spot IMO.
@@MartinTheGhostthis is right! That's why we do not see the full spectrum of bikes we wanted to see... But the presenters need to pay there bills with the paycheck from GMBN so they have to pretend they are independent!!!
The SWEET SPOT is SLX chainring, derailleur and chain (best price to weight/performance), Deore cassette (steel durability) and XT shifters (functionality) PLUS SLX 4-piston brakes.
@@gabaslabas6897 There's been some good tests confirming the XT chain is significantly stronger. My bike came with an all SLX gruppo, and my only real gripe is that the XT shifters are amazing in comparison. Also bent the SLX chainring, and I'm going OneUp so I can replace the outter chainring easier and cheaper.
the slx derailleur is not an upgrade over the Deore. the Deore xt has sealed jockey bearings, but its noot a big deal as you can lube and replace cheaper ones when they wear out, but ok. the saving with slx is not the chainring, which is basically the same, but the hollow crank arm. the Deore cassette is heavier and absolutely NOT more durable. the difference between the deore and slx is the big cog, which is aluminium on the slx, steel on the deore. you will NEVER wear out the big cog. both cassettes are otherwise steel toothed. it is the xt chain which is hardened, the slx only has some nonstick coating which will wear off. the slx chain is just a waste. you are right about the shifter though.
@@Netox2 Deore is fine for everything, but if you want to upgrade xt for chain, xt for shifter, slx or xt for chainset, xt for cassette (it's only about weight), xt for derailleur, slx for brakes
I've got the 1x10 deore from 2020 and it has been flawless. Never mis-shifts and the cranks are super stiff. If you are budget conscious there's barely any downsides to sticking with plain deore.
My stock Altus on my mtb has been going strong for a year now, maybe I've missed a shift a couple times but no biggie, I'm pretty happy with it but have always wondered, is the difference in price between my Altus and a Deore (only groupset I could possibly afford to upgrade to) worth it to a casual rider like myself?
if you want to make your bike lighter replace the air in tires with helium = No joke Helium has 0.0114 pounds per cubic foot. For a one cubic foot helium filled balloon , gravity pulls the down on the helium with a force of 0.0114 pounds while the air pushes up with a force equal to the weight of the air the helium displaced, or 0.0807 pounds.
Nothing is the difference and its all an anti consumer money grab scheme that you all fall for. You're telling me that it £500 is a sensible retail price for 12 little sprockets on a cassette? Or that £150 is a sensible price for a derailleur? Which is just a damped sliding chain tensioner. They're just charging what they want and your lapping it up
My ideal setup: Crankset: Shimano SLX (maybe XT just for the looks) Chain: Shimano SLX Cassette: Garbaruk 12-speed Shifter: Shimano XT Derailleur: either Shimano XT or SLX with replaced pulley wheels
Brilliant, well explained, nice to know about SRAM also. People say they are all the same, just different materials, partly true but you have explained the other differences in a really easy to understand way. 😁
I bought that group long time ago and put it on my previous bike. Now I give that bike to my brother. Im now on 12 speed XT group. Every time when I try that m785 group Im suprised how smooth, fast and pricise it is. Probably one of the best generations Shimano made until now.
What everyone usually fails to mention is that manufacturers are cross compatible too! Especially with component shortages recently many of us are running mixes of SRAM, Shimano, Sunrace, KMC etc.... How about a "best mix and match" groupset with both value and performance results?
On my other bike (hybris) I have ultegra crank and chainring front derailleur with sram rival cassette and derailleur and sram rival thumb shifters. Works fine, took a bit extra setting up messing the the front derailleur screws to limit the rubbing when in low and high gears.
Thanks for the video, it comes at just the right time. I am in the process of building a new MTB and first wanted to go XT but then SLX to save a little money. But I couldn't make much sense of some of the technical differences, the explanation in the video helped me a lot. I will stay with XT and try to save a little money in another place.
I have been rolling a full SLX drivetrain on my 2021 Specialized Stumpjumper Comp Carbon 29 for about a year now.... awesome!! I really haven't cleaned it or messed with it worth a damn, and still shifting great!
What's the difference between Shimano Drivetrains? Easy answer No Stock, Out of Stock, Back Ordered, No On Shelf Availability, Stock Scratch. Available in Jan 2023.
@@tobyg4556 65g is still a good chunk to come off the rear wheel. The xt cassette is 122 grams lighter. I went from a deore to xt and i noticed how much less harsh the rear was straight away. Next your going to tell me you dont feel a difference between an alloy and carbon frame
I'd love to see a version of this video covering the SRAM components. My new bike has SRAM, all entry-level (Deore-equivilent) and I'd love to know about the higher end stuff that I might want to swap on.
IMO Deore sits somewhere between NX and GX -- heavier than GX but similar build quality. SX is heavy and flexy but can be good for people starting out on a budget.
super awesome. my life pretty much revolves around bikes, i work on bikes for a living right now(not for much longer though, thankfully) and i ride mtbs multiple times a week. i'm getting a little sick of seeing the same issues on bikes come through the shop but I never get sick of explaining what the differences are in products like these. I almost like selling bikes and talking about them more than i like working on them at this point. I've been doing it for years and years and I am quite comfortable and confident in doing 95% of all services but when it comes to talking to people about the really tiny details on different suspension products, drivetrains, saddles etc etc, it 's a never ending learning game and its nice because it keeps me stimulated vs just cranking away on bike repairs all day. videos like these really help me a lot
I feel your pain, I'm also a full time bike mechanic which is why all of my bikes are SRAM AXS drive trains and Magura brakes, set it and forget it. Flawless shifting all the time and brakes that once I set them up once I only have to touch them when it's time for new pads or fluid. I can proudly say I don't own a bike with a Shimano component on it.
I have Shimano SLX 1x10 groupset on my fatbike with 2,700 miles on it, haven’t replaced anything set. Minus the chainring I upgraded from 26T to 32T. Shimano builds quality components.
When your pulley/jockey wheels wear out on your SLX mech replace them with XT units. (…..well it works very nicely with 11sp, M7000/8000). XT shifters…..always.
I was lucky when I was looking to upgrade my groupset because I found a mix groupset, shifters and crank were SLX and the cassette, chain and rear mech (deraliuer) were XT and in my opinion the a winning combination became you've got the durability of the XT and the smother shifting from the SLX
If you can afford the XT, you will never go back. Don’t waste money on SLX, Deore isn’t as good but you might as well go budget on drivetrain and nice on suspension rather than lukewarm on both
The XT and XTR have an access port on the clutch cover for adjusting the clutch on the fly. The Deore and SLX require you to remove the clutch cover to make adjustments. I find periodic adjustments are necessary with Shimano derailleur clutches.
I just don't like the XTr rear derailleur, the chain guide plate just looks cheap. In contrast to the 9-speed Xtr derailleur (RD-M971). The quality is simply better
PRO tip: You can upgrade Deore rear derailleur with XT cage (full aluminium with bumper) and XTR pulleys (light sealed bearing) - result is almost Deore price but XT level.
That's what I did when I smashed my XT mech. Bought a new Deore and swapped over what I could (as above plus the clutch tension adjuster cover). Haven't noticed any difference in use between the two.
Not much, it just makes life easier if an adjustment is needed (no need to remove the cover on XT). The part was there so I thought I may as well fit it.
Of course, no reason you sohuld not be able to, apart from availability. There are aftermarket options too, if you want different colours or designs. I don't remember them all, but Garbaruk is one that comes to mind, but I've not tried them. But I have the cassette, it's great, lighter and cheaper than XTR
I got the full SLX groupset and brakes a coupe years ago (2x11 speeds). No issues ever. Everything has been perfectly functional and reliable. I've only had good experiences with Shimano stuff. The guy at the bike shop said that's what he bought for his personal bike.
Been running 1x11 Deore on my Beargrease and am surprised by its smoothness. My first 1x drivetrain. Still love my 2x10 and I may be a bit weird, but my old XTR rapid rise is my favorite. Set-up on an old Trek 8500.
There are just a few SLX shifters with instant release. The normal SL-M7100 doesn’t have it. I have all SLX with XT derailleur. Works great! But doesn’t have instant release.
Simple. Sram is mediocre. My gx eagle is slow to shift and misses every few shifts. I have run shimano for years and out is just smooth, crisp and lasts
I have to vent a pet peeve of mine: The correct names are not "shifter" and "mech", but "shift controller" and "shift actuator". Also, it's amazing how Shimano has managed to reduce the functionality of drivetrains by removing the high/low chainrings, while continuing to charge the same price.
I loved GX RDfor the look and durability, i loved XT shifter for shifting, i loved XT cassette for the look after used and linearity teeth, i loved SLX crank for light affordable look and cheap multicompatible BB, and sure KMC black gold chain...how about it? has anyone cross compatibility this mix part 12 speed?
This math is not mathing. In the beginning you say xt is 1823 grams but after adding the numbers that you provided it comes out to 1767. The others are also off as well.
I bought a microshift advent group set. All in it was about $150. It works very well and has a clutched derailleur. I cannot imagine the skill that would be required to actually get the most out of a group set that costs 10 times that price.
Just to stir the pigeons I’m been experimenting with running a Deore 12 speed cassette and SLX hyperglide chain with my sram eagle mech and shifter and so far it shifts sweeter and is cheaper to maintain than the full eagle set up for sure. Seems the big rule is shimano cassettes hyperglide chains 🤙
Good morning Is it possible to use this derailleur M5120 on a giant 8x1 bicycle with a 32T single chainring and an 11-40 eight-speed???. I have a Shimano Acera M3020 derailleur, it works well but on dirt descents with rocks and holes it jumps and makes a lot of noise. That's why I want to put one with shadow plus blocking, but I don't think there is one for 8v😪
Hello, thanks for the video! I am trying to understand my touring bike with one of these drivetrains (for a 1x12 /2x12 10-51T). I have an issue: read hub 135 mm with quick release (QR) and disk brakes (6 bolts). Looking at the compatibility of the whole Shimano drivetrain (like XT M8100), it is not compatible with anything below 142mm hub. However, cassette and crankset details cite 135mm QR compatibility. I don't know which chain line difference could be tolerated by a 1X12 51T-10T. I really appreciate any help ;)
When I'm hearing silly Monopoly money laughable prices like US$350 for just the crank part I'm thinking you people have lost your mind..... the whole bike should barely cost that much.... theres too much greed in enthusiast parts...
Hi, i have a new Canyon Strive with the SLX System build in and a CN-M6100 Chain. Can i upgrade the chain to a CN-M9100 with no issues aslong the 138 Links are the same? I would so thankfull for an answer from anyone, thx!
I got two sram nx and after a year came lose shift bad... need tuning every 4-5 ride. Now i have a group set slx and it smooth as hell, i never go back with sram.
Its a microcosm of bullshit, 10 grams saved makes ZERO time difference. But some clown will HAVE to have it as its the most expensive, these are the CLOWNS targeted by this sales pitch. Same thing in PC's. There is always some clown who buys a 3k GPU which is worse than a £700 GPU because it costs more.
Probably the best bang for the buck is a mostly SLX drivetrain up front and rear derailleur with an XT shifter (two upshifts and nice feel) with an XT or XTR chain (shifter nicer) and an XT cassette (biggest weight savings in one piece for lowest price per the weight saved). I tried a mostly XT bike with XTR shifter coming from a mostly SLX bike with an upgraded XT shifter and the XTR is hardly better. If I didn't know it was XTR I wouldn't know it shifted better and most of that bike was mixed XT derealleur and SLX rear cassette. The single nicest upgrade of all is probably the XT shifter if you can only get one get that the feel is amazing and you get the most gear changes per pull/push. Everything else is marginal in upgrade/performance.
I mean like my custom DJ-daily'ish street MTB bike uses acera. Does it even worth to upgrade into SLX? I never race, just commuting and bunny hopping around bump and obstacle on parks
XT mechs because they take abuse and just keep working on the commuter without corroding and seizing. Deore cassette, Deore crank (170mm as I prefer a shorter crank) Cheap SRAM chain.
Slx is all a normal rider needs. So drivetrain and brakes. And fox Performance Elite is all a normal rider needs too. No one needs factory, and saving that 76 grams but spending like 400€ more ?? Why would I do that. Just get some lighter clothes, some less food before the ride, safe that weight on your backpack boys and girls! And I know, this it not the place: but wear Protection. Wear a helmet, decent gloves. At least! It would be the best, if you used some knee and elbow pads too. Shh don't tell anybody, but you can safe weight there too!
I like the psychological pricing going on here. You make people waste tons of money on SLX, just because it's "so much better value than XTR". Spoiler; they are both ridiculous.
Everything functions properly ru-vid.comUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RU-vid. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
Bike technology is the slowest moving tech ever. Derailleurs haven’t changed for years but yet have ever increasing price tags. The set up I have on my 2020 bike is no different at all from the 2004 specialized I have. Both change gears in the same way. One is no smoother than the other. So what’s happened.
U guys crazy with those prices u know ??? Its ridiculous marketing bs. Please open your eyes 👀 🙏 😢 do you realize what tech things are being manufactured for fraction of this price? Dont say i tell it because i cannot afford.it just not normal :)
It's sad the video is not very deepth enough, actually after 5 yrs, the price had already dropped to a sweet point right now. And the sickbiker or loveMTB did a much better rear mech comparison video.
