Ship chat: Norway Class 

I love the idea of the lance phaser. Would be great to see it put to good use in canon.

I personally love the Norway class. I always felt it deserved more screen time. I never knew why the ship never appeared. Love your work man. Keep it coming.

I really wish the devs at STO would have adapted your take on this ship. A ship with a big lance phaser would have been way better than yet anothet carrier. Great vid.

The wasted, empty space between the nacelles always seemed to beg for an Akira style torpedo launcher pod. I understand the ship would have been classified as a heavy attack frigate in peace time, but the retrofit would have been quite simple should war have been declared.

Alway thought should have a torpedo pod on the top or bottom feel the empty space between nacelles is a bit silly

The Norway is a neat little ship and always seemed to be pretty solid and looks absolutely stunning remastered. I always envisioned the Norway as fitting into the role of a destroyer. Something that makes up the rank and file of the federation fleet and executes manoeuvres with other ships like the sabre and defiant. While I do enjoy the inclusion of the Lance phaser I personally prefer to see it as a close support gunboat, something relatively manoeuvrable and fast that it can keep up with the lighter ships and join them in the fray without being too much of a hinderance to them. It can sit just behind the skirmish line as a reserve force that can quickly plug any holes in the line until a galaxy or sovereign shows up. I guess i think this because it looks very sturdy, the ship appears to be strongly armoured almost like a scaled up defiant.

When I first First seen the Norway class in first contact I thought it looked like a kick-ass ship nothing too fancy about it just straight to the point. Adding to what I put earlier I love its low profile it's almost like you could put wheels at the bottom of it and make it into a Hot wheel 😂😂😂😂

TL;DR: Venom Geek Media doesn't like Norway Class vessels with names that have nothing to do with Norway.

I have seen so much fan art of the norway, that I feel like it is subconsciously a fan favorite

That empty space between the nacelles could be used for so many improvements, such as a more powerful reactor core, more or more powerful engines, rearward firing weapons, extra shield generators, or a bay from which auxiliary craft can be launched and recovered. All without increasing the ships size very much, and not at all with the bow or stern facing an enemy vessel.

Brings to mind why Federation ships have a secondary hull, or at least one so far removed from the primary hull. On a secondary note. It sounds like teh Norway class is intended to be used almost as a cross between a torpedo boat a dive bomber. It has to maneuver like a torpedo boat with the precision strike of one big bomb from a dive bomber. In this case, I see otehr ships bombarding a target with photon torpedoes to weaken a shield or two, then the Norway comes in with a precision heavy punch of the phaser lance. Also, in this role, it would not need a lot of phaser banks, just a few since it was meant to provide fire support in much the way a tank (or assult gun) would provide fire support for infantry with the nfantry providing protection for the tank.

The Norway did fall into obscurity till I think the Dominion Wars game. At least thats the first time I saw it post First Contact, then popped its head out again in SFC3...I think it was AWOL in Armada 1 and 2. Definitely a neat little ship; larger then those fast attack destroyers like the Saber, but not quite cruiser sized. I always thought of her as a sort of heavy escort for larger slower battlecruisers. You calling it a monitor/artillery ship was a first for me and a class I never considered.

Thank you making a video about one of my favorite ship... (Always good to see something related to my country)

Interesting class I unfortunately don't know as much about it as I'd like so your video help fill in some of the gaps of my knowledge of trek ship lore and technical specifications. Thank you. I love the Saber class and steamrunner. But especially the Saber. I love a little pitbull of ship in combat. Like the Defiant which is my all time favorite ST ship.

nice…. love the Norway too

First I'd heard of the Norway-class Phaser Lance. It has gone up on my list quite a bit as a result. I do like that the Norway presents such a small target, particularly if attacking with its phaser lance, that with a slightly nose-up attitude it can protect its entire secondary hull and warp nacelles from direct fire (power couplings included)

🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and every detail possibly provided indeed, And I like the Norway class very much and like its design and look and it's performance and tasks of the ship and so forth, And I myself own the Eaglemoss model of this ship in my collection of a lot of various other starship's by them as well👌.

I get the impression that it's torpedo launchers are/were on the underside in light it's strafing/bombardment role.

Very nice episode, thank you!

The closest we get in Star Trek online for the Norway I believe is the Oslo variant of the Akira.

HMS Dickish arguably one of the greatest.

Yeah. 1. one to watch! Greetings from Wetaskiwin-Alberta-Canada

Yes! This is one of if not my favourite ship, it was my sto captain's first command in headcannon. Love that you mention the Phaser Lance, it is pretty clear in First contact that it has one. Or at very least a phaser that is it's primary weapon, for it is fired at the same time as the Akira's and Saber's torpedo volleys on a full forward attack pattern. Also the deflector is high up in the recessed nose section, far too much room for nothing at all considering it's a warship that could fit at least 2 torpedo launchers in that space.

Imagine half way through TNG we got a string of episodes that don’t show the exterior of the enterprise and then when they do finally show it again it’s clearly a different modal and it’s obvious that someone deleted the wrong file lmao

Very cool! 😎

OMG, Norway did I expect to see you review this ship.

Any intel on this new ship? Startrek:Prodigy We get our first glimpse of their ship, what appears to be the NX 76884 USS Protostar. Since it carries the NX registration, perhaps this was an experimental ship or prototype of some kind.

A Beautiful Ship

nice ship, enjoyed Squadron

I don't know about Budapest, but there are a lot of people of Norwegian decent in Minnesota. Naming a Norway class after one of her cities would actually make sense. I have a good friend from Norway and he often jokes that there are more Norwegians in the US then there are in Norway.

The N.A.-centric Federation is really immersion breaking it has to be said. At least DS9 has a runabout named after an Asian river, good thing Earth has so many!

"neither of which are in Norway" LOL idk why but this line made me laugh harder than it should have

The Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre, & Norway class Starships R really COOL & I've got the models nxt 2 each other

I know I'm really, really late to this, but I feel like the only other thing the ship could use is maybe to fill in the gaps between the "tails". Otherwise it makes sense in a lot of ways for a Federation fortress-buster (which I feel like is something they would want and need regularly)

In all honesty, there is nothing 'Sovereign' about the Enterprise - E. Nice job, keep em coming.

As far as ship names go, sometimes the class is named for the first ship of the class. For example, the Nimitz class aircraft carrier. One is named after an admiral, one for a congressman, one for a senator, and 7 for presidents.

Still enraged this shop hasn't shown up in STO. I do wonder if it was referenced in lower decks whether it'd just be a running joke where they always say that X ship is going to arrive or is that the y ship and you never actually see it. It does show up in DS9 and voyager on displays.

6 phasers is about right 2 dorsal bow 2 ventral bow & 2 aft

I am Playing the Valder/Fleet Norway and Loving them so far in Star Trek Online. It has the feeling I like turn wise, and Battle capabilities.

Quite enjoyed this video, the Norway is my favorite of the oft forgotten ships of the federation. id love to captain one personally. it seems like one of the most sensibly designed ships in star trek, when you think about what its main opponents would be. Its also suprisingly durable despite low stats in the game star trek: legacy. ive been able to severely damage ships like the D'Deridex in 1 on 1s at higher difficulties, but i dont get a phaser lance there. i would love to see more of her. if shes a long range ship, its possible she could still be used in Picard in that role, as she wouldnt be targeted unless the battle turned against the federation, and like you mentioned, she wouldnt be helpless even then. Also, would be nice to have some norwegian names, but then i wouldnt know how to say them!

How can a studio let something as expensive as a CG ship model get corrupted and lost? Have they never heard of data back-ups?

Out of the "Anti-Borg" vessel classes the Norway class was admittedly my 2nd to least favorite design. Just above the Steamrunner class. But, what do I know. I'm a fan of Olympic & Daedalus classes. 😊✌

It looks vulnerable to a well aimed shot shearing off a warp nacelle. The ship could easily had more space for crew, weapons, a more powerful reactor core and stores for long deployments by using that empty space between the nacelles, without making the ship larger and therefore an easier target.

It is named after the city of Norway, Michigan USA which is close to Vulcan, Michigan

There are a lot of people in Minneapolis of Norwegian decent.

How much more powerful is the lance phaser supposed to be when compared to standard phasers? It strikes me as a weapon that would have a long recharge rate and slow rate of fire. What are it's in canon history and its strengths and its weaknesses?

Re: naming conventions, What if the Starfleet intent was to use placenames generally for the class?

With many ship classes, the naming convention is a bit all over the place. Its actually rarer that starfleet even uses a naming convention for classes of ship. The Connie, California, Akira, Oberth, Saber and the Luna classes have naming conventions, yes. But the Excelsior doesnt. Nor does the Galaxy, Intrepid, Ambassador, Steamrunner, Miranda, or Nebula classes. So it depends. The fact the Norway is named after places on Earth? I think there is a naming convention. Its just not places in Norway. 🤷‍♂️

Whilst my favourite ship will remain the Intrepid Class all of the new ship designs are great and it's a real pity the norway was lost or a while. Giving it a Phaser lance help it make sense in the fleet as well. as for the phaser arrays? Well starleet likes to give most of its ships good all round defense for the most part. So I assume you add as many as are needed to meet that requirement.

The negative space between the nacelles just bugs me. And just a slight variation in the dimensions of it makes it looks _"off"._ It would be nice to see a refit with that space filled up, and in universe it would have made more sense to have that space housing the systems for the rear of the Lance.

the norway in my opinion is a battle monitor those are basicly slightly more armored monitors with a bit more secondarys

I think the Norway is one of those ships that suffers terribly from the 'Looks terrible in plan views' syndrome. And still ungainly from a lot of the shots where it appears in the background. Kind of like the Saber and to some extent the Steamrunner, which has some badarse-looking angles. (The Saber-class actually grew on me, and the Steamrunner looked built-for-purpose all along, but I think the Norway maybe really took the loving attention of the 'Squadrons' fan film to ever actually look right. And it makes sense that lance phasers feature prominently in ships designed to be anti-Borg ...cause generally you'd want to hit really hard in a short time before they adapt. Also in the times of the Breen weapon being checkmate, you'd also want to ...not get hit by the thing and instead hit hard before they hit you. Agile ships that hit hard would be well-concentrated there.

I posit that navigational deflectors r used during sublight travel. When traveling at warp speed u more n less sink n2 a bubble of subspace. The gravitational distortional field it create should shield the starship in all directions sorta like a forcefield Plus there shouldn't b debris asteroids or microscopic particulates I'm assuming in subspace

Never understood that negative space between the nacelles. Its as if a part of the ship was missing. Like a weapons pod or large shuttle. Similar to the Odyssey class.

I also thought that it had phaser Canon torrents or was that non-conon references

The U.S.S. Erikson would be an appropriate name for a Norway class starship. Named for Lief Erikson the Norse explorer who was thought to have discovered North America almost 500 years before Christopher Columbus.

I would have made a second class that removed the lance phaser and added pulse phasers , but then i would have also given the Saber pulse phasers since they are but Hit and Run design

She's Captain of the Norway and a thorn in Dominion's side... Protector of Pell Starbase and a source of grudging pride... 😉

The ship is named after citys i think

To be fair to the name Minneapolis, Minnesota has a large population pulled from Norway

Would love a nova class review my trek friend and fellow 🇬🇧

This ship was always a hard one to sort out. I encountered the version packed with guns and figured it was an 'escort' ship that was easier to mass produce. That's what everyone seemed to want after all. If I had to balance it, I'd give the weapons, shields, and sensors of an Intrepid with a scaled back warp speed. Looking at the Norway again leaves me with the imagery of rushed production. Modelers can make rush cut jobs because they think ILM will just smooth out and refine the model digitally while ILM will just uses blur and distancing to hide those imperfections because Paramount paid for the cg value of an Ollie's clearance rack. That or I've been watching too much production stuff. I dare say it might be time to take a little artistic license on their appearance and refine their rough edges if nothing else.

I always thought this was in the top ten ugliest ships but I did enjoy the break down.

Did it ever occur to you that the lead ship is named for a city named Norway not the country? Doug Drexler said the CGI model was lost and could not be found.

Your video didn't really even mention a specialty in strategy against bigger targets, aside from the Borg. I think they would be used most when a large ship was expected in the enemy force. I'd love to see a Norway fleet versus the Hutet

I really want ro fill that empty space

It's an oversized Y-wing

the thing is venom geek is the only place that has a norway lance phaser i like the ideal but from beta fleet , bravo fleet, starbase 400, starrbase 118, actd , obsidian fleet, and ditl do not even talk about lance phaser

Looks like a giant Y-wing.

The Norway class can also land just like the Intrepid class.

Sad but true that many Americans are ignorant when it comes to geography.

Are the Nroway and Saber the Federations version of the Briel?

Lov

Cheers, i wonder if she is Norway class because she was built in Norway ? or the prototype

She looks so delicate in the back... those pylons look like they would sever in half with one good hit. That negative space in the back is such a waste of valuable potential hull area. You could slot so many different modules in that space.

battlestar Norway Class

“…neither of which are in Norway.” 👍🏻 dropped a like just for that line 👌 That said, I want to love the Norway, but I find the geometry of its nacelle pylons annoying. They are too long, too bulky, and connected by too narrow a joint to the engineering hull. This makes them seem flimsy and ready to break off. If they connected by an extended secondary hull or a their length would seem more reasonable.

I have to disagree. It's not that we Americans don't know European Geopgraphy, it's that we don't know Geography, period.

- What is the expectancy of life of starship class before decommission date?

Norway class were name after City's.

Negative space serving no purpose instead of secondary hull always turned me off.

Hmmmm... I disagree with you about the number of phasers the Norway class would have had. Six phasers should be the minimum to maintain a full round field of fire typical of Federation ships. If you said that the Federation was so desperate for ships against the Borg (and were certain it would be the Borg they would be primarily fighting) that they were literally pushing ships out of construction when they had only the armament strictly required to fulfill their role in an anti-Borg task force and also were half finished in the rest of the ships' interiors not strictly required for a battle with the Borg I could get behind that argument. However, that is not what is implied in the movies and DS9, as the second Borg incursion came as a half expected surprise amid the preparations for conflict with a much more traditional enemy in the Dominion and Cardassians. In such a conflict with the Dominion and the Cardassians, their ships would be able to take advantage of the Norway's severe lack of arcs of fire with the mere two or three phasers you would alot to the Norway class. I cannot see a conservative Starfleet engineer/architect allowing this to come to pass.

The way you say "member" is very posh. Memmmbuh.

I don't like the Norway's Gap in between the sale pylons I think that should have been filled in they could have put a shuttle Bay there even if it was raised up slightly like put a piece in there that's not kind of octagon top and bottom on it you know I can take a stop sign you put it cut it in half put on top and bottom that kind of shape and a shuttle Bay right in the rear where they could have put a big impulse engine there but I think it would have made a great long shuttle Bay look how long it would be she could hold you know at least six fighters in there or some runabouts she can hold some runabouts in there maybe three three four run about I mean that's what I would want if I just started and I can pick auxiliary class for battle I'd pick up you know if I had to be at Norway and there's a shuttle Bay right there I'd want at least four runabouts in there and I want my runabouts modified to carry quantum torpedoes or at least felt good the most powerful photon torpedoes and the most powerful microphone torpedoes you know and that's what they do you know we got to fight with another ship I'd launch all four of them and I tell them just to open up with those torpedoes on the other s*** but yeah you can use the phasers once the shields are down but just you know as soon as this as soon as you can just pump a full of torpedoes tell him to launch at least three four five photons off the top and at least three of the micro torpedoes from the nose at the same time I feed s*** did that that'd be six nine it's just three ships didn't let me know and the micro torpedoes are probably only about half as strong as a real faux on but still I don't know what ship shield could we stand that being hit all at once from multiple sides like I said there was two Jim and Darth fighters you know earthly there was a gym at our cruiser and a gym with our fighter and two gyms are fighters and the Norway just launch its run about to run about to each go after the gym and dark fighters find torpedoes Adam

venom geek I would think You would need a deflector @ probably just about any real speed faster than maneuvering thrusters. Can you imagine not using a Nav deflector @ full impulse. Just try hitting meteors & meteorites @.25c or any impulse speed really. Your ship would not last long even if hitting just tiny dust particles @ full impulse. & So just to make my point & for reference say at full impulse .25c. That would be like hitting objects @1.677e+8 MPH or 167,700,000 MPH. So I'm pretty confident that yeah you would need a deflector. So i don't get the lance phase r deflector idea. Makes no scientific sense.

I like how you are sharing the information on the ships but how you end the videos is jarring. Just talking and click done.

Opening your video by begging for money guarantees that you'll get neither my money, my sub, or even my like/dislike. You'll get this one comment telling you to put that crap at the end of your video, because it's not what we come to RU-vid for. The best channels don't even ask at all, and still have millions of subscribers. Put it together. It's content we come for, not commercials, and if you make good content, you'll get paid.

You need to get to the point and ramble less.