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On use to work as a painter. It bugs how people are easy to criticize. Rich does finish carpentry and isn't a professional painter, so instead of criticizing him . People should give advise in a respectful manner. I work as a mason now and I do plumbing once in a while,I might not be the best but at least I'm not afraid to do the job nor is he. Good job man
Used our TC Pro for many hours and jobs, but when it stopped I was shocked at how the rubber service ports were made and how easily the Allen key stripped out the rubber on the service ports. Loved this gun until it got stopped up. Normally easy to clean up, but wish they had more solid screw. Oh. 26 of the manual says you can use oil based paints but does warn that static sparking is possible and recommends using a metal pail and/or grounding.
I appreciate your videos. I’ve been a tradesman ( a GC )for over 40 years and love to learn new things. Anyone who says they know it all are fooling themselves. There is always something new to learn. I look forward to new lessons even through perceived mistakes. Thanks for the vids.
The shock has to do with the flash point of the product being sprayed. Below 100 you should be using the hot solvent Graco Handheld. Some oil based products with a flash point between 115-100 can cause a shock and it has to do with the solvent.
Great video...all the suggestions regarding build up of static electric charge is right on point and correct. As an industrial chemist we always considered static charge build up whenever organic solvents are moving through any pipe or piece of equipment. Everything must be grounded before starting any fluid transfer or, in this case, before using handheld sprayer. Using that sprayer in and enclosed room, with oil base paint, is a prime set up for a house destroying explosion if it should spark just when the vapor level reach critical concentrations. Your very very lucky you didn't finish that job with a bang! Another example of this static charge buildup is when they pull tanker trucks into gas stations to refill the underground tanks...they always attach ground wires to the truck and hoses before they transfer the fluids into the tanks. Great videos and keep up the great work!
I agree however, How would he have grounded himself? By touching a pipe? Connection with wire leading outside to a rebar pounded into the ground? And is it only effective during the transfer of liquid?
@@ralphvalkenhoff2887 the model he bought is for water based paint only! There is a more expensive grounded unit for spraying oil based paint and lacquers. It say on the box that you can cause a fire or explosion with oil based
It's a water based gun only. I have the ultra pro version which gives you a grounding cord . Far too much hassle so why bother using oil at all. These guns work but the graco quickshot is far better and if at all possible go for the GX 19 versions on batteries where you actually have some control. I'm a tradesman 30 years have sprayed vehicles before, and found the top version of there handheld , heavy ,noisy, messy, very little control but it has plenty of power and should be called a handheld, priming and touch up gun. That's all it is really.
Even if they weren’t the results you were after it’s still a good video. You have inspired me to take my company from general contracting to more trim carpentry. I’ve always loved trim carpentry and your videos have helped me so much by giving me extra confidence plus the know how to do new jobs! Keep the videos coming!
That little gun seems like a huge time saver. Not only with setup but with cleanup.... On a side note; you never produced more videos on lay out & finishing up that oak coffered ceiling. Please make some coffered ceiling videos!!! Love the channel man...
YEP YOU SURE DID! I got the same gun. I just put a inquiry into Graco on 4/19 and they just replied with this following: "Steve, The material is alkyd based and contains some naphtha. These materials can cause static shock in the not solvent resistant handhelds. Usually if it says alkyd based it will contain a solvent that can cause shocks. I would avoid alkyd base and just make sure otherwise that it states it is non-flammable."
I have the corded version and haven't experienced any kind of shock form it, but I only use latex paint. I love mine and I am very happy with the ease of use, the finish and easy clean up
Per the manufacturer instructions, you need to use a grounding cord with the "cordless" version of the sprayer. I bought the corded version specifically because the need for a grounding cord eliminates the benefit of the "cordless" model.
I don’t know if people have already answered this, but the graco airless gun that can actually handle oil and flammables, they have a grounding connector that plugs into an outlet in order to ground it. I’m pretty excited to use mine soon
I'm so glad your doing this. I just bought mine from Sherwin Williams. It was great for waterbase clear coat but not the best results on trim paint. I'm sure it was us. I'm going to use it on home projects before I use it on the job sight and look like an idiot cleaning up my mess with no lunch and getting hangry.
Tarek Ashurex yes, that's what I found so far. I hear so much about how good they run and it did with the water base poly but not with paint. I'm hoping it's me. I'm making some doors today and need to spay them. I'm going to experiment at home before and not do it at the job sight. I will get it right......hopefully.
Usually with latex, just before you paint, you wet caulk with a very thin line of clear at the tape edge, and pull the tape while wet. With oil its tougher. You have to use sealing wax and wipe it off real good so it only seals the tape edge. Let it dry. Oil is very leaky. Wax is oil based and dried like oil. Wet caulk won't work with oil.
Actually oil based and solvent based material has a special gun called Ultra Max HH, the one you are using is the normal Ultra HH You need to check the manuals again
It states right in the manual that there is the possiblity of user shocks...Graco ultra can only be used with latex and mineral spirits based products. There is an upgraded gun called the ultramax that can be used for hotter solvent based products. The ultramax is more expensive and comes with a grounding cord, it can be used to spray anything. He stated the paint he was using had been thinned by someone else, that someone else had probably thinned it with a hotter solvent causing the shocks.
Try using a raw union to reduce odor from paints that have stout fumes. It won’t eliminate the VOCs but it will take odor away much quicker and the onion doesn’t leave an odor behind. And yes, a grounded wire will take away the shock. Reader above/below me has sent you the link. Good channel. Love the content.
@@johnc1280 A Youth Pastor, associate director of a Childcare facility, owner of a seasonal landscaping company and beginning a side job of building custom guitars. Still look back on painting with good feelings. Helped me through tough financial times.
Putting all of the other BS aside, you did a beautiful job. The results were nothing less than perfect! If I were the home owner I would’ve said, that is how I would’ve done it! It really looks nice!
Thats funny, I just contacted Graco two days ago about spraying anti fouling paint with this gun and they told me I could not because of the make up of the paint. Today I came across your video.
Nice work and your videos are always informative and interesting. Keep up the great work! 25 years in Graphic design & Photography Now creating new kitchens and baths for my customers. Got sick of sitting in front of a screen all day :) Trim work and painting my days fly bye. Bill Owner/ craftsman at RenNEW HOME REPAIR way up north in Darwin Minnesota
a full on mop level four gas mask bro???? haha!!!! I aint knocking ya biggen, I promise! just impressed with the hard core attention to safety awareness and protection!!! You out doing it by osha standards!!!! but like I said, I personally don’t think anyone can be TOO SAFE….. enjoy the content, and your craftsmanship with the trim! Plus I just purchased a brand new grace x7… and im about to prime it up for the first time since I bought it 2 weeks ago… I been procrastinating a tad…… shhhhh!
According to the manual, the unknown thinner was probably not compatible with the sprayer and caused static build up and shock. It says not to use non-mineral spirit thinners.
MoneyManHolmes: The video for the unit by Graco states that it can spray lacquer. Seems there is a disconnect between the video and the manual, and Richard should give them a call. I own the corded version of the gun and I love it when it works well and hate it when it doesn't.
Your videos are great. I have worked as a construction electrician and construction superintendent all around the world. You’re a top hand by any measure. I would guess a wire to the switch that is bare. I’d send it back instead of trying to fix it since it’s new. You might try rubber gloves in the meantime.
I’ve got this spray gun with the cord. used it quite a bit with no shock. You may have a defective product. I strongly endorse this product if you’re a DIYer. I guess the pros have their own go-to stuff. This is mine. Cheers!
He bought the ungrounded model it says do not spray oil based paints At the end of the video he actually said they sell two models but incorrectly said they’re the same
They have products out like the 3000 enamel from Farrell Calhoun that looks and cures smooth and hard exactly like oil but will not yellow over time and cleans up with water. Oil based enamel is useless in modern times, the only reason it should ever be used is when you're painting over oil. If you paint new material with oil you have no clue what you are doing or are an old head that is hard headed from the unnecessary fumes. You can paint a door with half 3000 and half oil and you will not be able to tell what is what after a week.
I am an electrician and years ago I had a customer the had an air hose that was shocking him when he was running air through the line. It was actually static electricity that was shocking him. They make an air hose that has an internal ground built in. I know your using an airless sprayer so I don't know what the solution is but I'm sure Graco has seen this before. Its usually caused by temperature and humidity conditions.
To anyone considering buying this, only the Ultra model can be used with flammable paint. The unit shown here is definitely NOT be used with oil based paints, unless you enjoy exploding. Once oil paint is atomized, the chance of ignition is actually pretty high. Had the room been smaller, this dude would have had a seriously bad day.
Using oil based products you should use the ground cable it comes with to stop you from being shocked lol I spray all my doors on new build houses here in England 🏴
I had the same thing happen to me . Satin impervo with penitrol . I took it back . I used it for tiny spindles and it was an acceptable finish . I should have not worried about using extra materials and just used my old nova airless with a 209 . I was told the brushless model wouldn’t shock but it’s not worth the $500 in my opinion .
Curious if pro painters remove the tape when wet. I was told to always remove it when it dries a bit. Sorry about the shocking but thanks for showing us how it's done.
Yo brotha. Nice vids. I don’t even do shit like that for work or hobby but it’s fun learning just in case my time is called to be the handy man lol. Keep it up
Very cool, super interested in trying to spray some of my trim jobs. I don’t have much experience with sprayers though and typically have someone else come paint my work
If you are getting shocks from the spray unit it is possibly electrostatic shocks, it can happen if you wear heavily insulated foot wear, it’s is also possible there is an earth fault on the motor but at low amps you would barely feel it. Try using footwear that is not rubber soled.
Rich under different circumstances not associated with painting or trim work. I've received small static shocks through my headset while flying. Not sure if you might have been getting some sort of static shock through a combination of paint material and moving across the floor to paint. But I would contact the manufacture.
I had the same thing happen with mine. I forgot until watching your video. I did not have it happen with latex although. I am looking forward to what you find out.
Solving paints call static electricity. That's what the shock comes from. I just got the quick shot set up. And it comes with a grounding cable. I don't know about that portable gun😮
Static electricity often weather depending and dry conditions it's even worse when you have a big airless run on air and painting metal surfaces such a container standing on tresle covered in paint and can't ground U spray for a bit and the build up is massive if not grounded
As per your previous video on the unboxing of this product, I believe you said not to spray flammable products as this was akin to spraying with a grennade in your hand - guess you pulled the pin this time and were lucky 💥
Seems like a nice spray gun. I would have cut that room in with a brush in a fraction of the time though. All that masking is time consuming. That gun would probably work nice on doors and larger trimwork.
This exact thing has happened to me with graco true coat pro II ! I didn't know Wtf was that, couldn't finish the job ! I was using oil based primer "cover stain". When I was priming it and cleaning it there was no problem, as soon as I started spraying every 2-3 seconds - zap !
You should be using the TC Pro Plus. The TC Pro Plus is for materials with a flash point of 100 or less. Sometimes you can get shocked with even a 115 flash point product. It has to do with purity of the solvents used if a higher than 100 is shocking you. The TC Pro Plus is for Lacquer, MEK, acetone and all flammable products and WILL NOT SHOCK. It's a compatibility issue, nothing wrong with the unit.
some paint thiners and oil based products have flash points lower then 100f. graco suggestes using paints and cleaning with products with a product with a flash point no lower then 100f or 38c this could have resulted in the static discharge your were felling, i have same unit
I’ve got the ultra max I’ve have sprayed oil with it , no shocks , however the tip guard and thread is different also some sort of plastic, so you can’t use standard extension poles or tip guards, I thought you can not use the model you have for oil,
The standard Pro Shot isn’t designed well for shooting oil. It’s shocking due to static build up. They say it can spray only mineral spirits based. But good luck finding any oil base paint that only has mineral spirits in it. Most oil base paints still have xylene and mek in them. As far as how much in them it takes to shock idk. I’ve had south west builders shock, PPG oil shock and ProClassic oil shock. The Pro Shot Fine Finish wont shock you. It uses different internal materials to help relegate the static build up.
Your paint had paint thinner in it... that will cause issues because it's flammable organic solvent. This causes a static build up in the gun. Also, thinner will destroy the pump in the gun. TC Pro is not rated for solvents.
If it's ungrounded, than the rate of flow throw the line can create static electricity to build up causing that effect. It actually creates a spark and that is what you're feeling. I shouldn't have to tell you what could happen if it decides to happen. Without being there to adjusted it I'd say bring it back and talk to a knowledge rep about adjusting the flow, also it could be a combination of that and the paint being to thin and it's causing static electricity. Either way take it back and get another one. It can be fixed so everyone will be whole. Good luck my man
JUst got last week the Gun and happened the SAME! i had no idea why, i was using the Ultra with solvent paint as later was told not to for somewhere reason, Graco Ultra is meant for waterbased only! So i bought the Graco Ultra MAX! so will see the difference
I love using my TC Graco Pro but I'm curious as to how it handles stains and clear coats like polyurethane? I love it for paint but I'm trying to speed up the time it takes to stain/seal the furniture I make.
I have used mine for staining and putting on clear coats. It works well as long as you get a fine finish tip. And, of course, sand and tack between all coats of clear.
yes there is a grounding cord that comes w the gun. its because of the oil base chemicals. it reacts to the sprayer. so technically u put that ground on and spray away. ur an awesome dude. btw, do u have any videos on door installs. your way? make one please.
of course, i may be wrong. i know that my fine finish graco had one. i dont EVER USE OIL ANYMORE. LOL. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. WHAT AQRE YOUR THOUGHTS OF THAT SORAYER W DEWALT BATTERIES COMPATIBILITY ?
Hmmmm, isn’t atomized oil a fire hazard? Wonder if you can use an anti static cloth and lotion. I think I used an anti static shoe band with dangling cable always in contact with physical ground several times. Not sure how effective they are.
Likely you were getting static charge from the atomizing of the paint and spraying it on the baseboard. The charge built up in the gun and shorted to your hand. The battery could not cause that problem.
Now add up the time it took you to mask up and prep the gun and spray it and clean the gun and take the gun to get fixed and add that time up against taking a brush and pot out and brushing it and cleaning the brush. Besides the cost of the gun compared to a brush how much time would it compare to the brush finish? Also brushing with waterbased is a lot more forgiving and can make it look good with less effort if you are not looking for a high gloss finish. I found you go one level down with Waterbased. For instance, it never looks as glossy but if you want a satin look then gloss will flatten off with one coat over an undercoat. If you want it matt then get a satin or semi gloss and it always looks flatter. Never has as much shine as oil based but easier to apply, more forgiving, better coverage, doesn't yellow in dark areas.
Great video, but for me in the UK I would love to know how long it was to clear the room, tape and sheet off the floor, wall and the final spray up? I would hazard a guess that a normal brush job by a skilled decorator would be just as quick as they wouldn't need to tape off the area and the room furniture could be lightly dust sheeted. Not a a criticism bud, just that we in the UK would probably do it differently.........and possibly less or more efficiently?
With that speed you don't need any sprayer, and probably you can finish a room - ceiling, walls, skirtings and the door in one and a half hour. You probably have shoulders and knees of steel.
How did you tape to the baseboard with out the paint bleeding through was there a big gap. In Australia there's never really a big gap it's usually flush to the ground
Thank you for all the videos you put out, always good! One question i bought graco handheld sprayer i hated it bc of the pulsing pattern it would create on what i was painting. Did you experience any with this model? Thanks!!
No comparison to mask and sprayed vs brushed. Having done the finish work in mega million dollar homes, only thing I'd do different, is undercoat. sand, vacuum and tack cloth.. before spraying a finish coat, even over pre-primed wood. Undercoating and final sand gives a look of perfection. I don't care how good someone is with a brush, there's no way to match the perfect lines from masked and sprayed.
