Shoe0nhead Is Infantilizing and Insulting Men 

Reminds me of that Jesus meme. "Save me from what?" "From what I'm going to do to you if you don't let me in!"

Any man that feels they lack a purpose without a woman to protect is a waste of a person.

Its kinda like a Shepard watching over their sheep . if you care about someone you're going to protect them . if you see danger wouldn't you protect your loved one

@@woobiefuntime yeah, but I'm not a sheep, I'm a person.

@@kayakat1869 I wasn't saying that you're literally a sheep.

I swear is just laundering right wing or tradwife rhetoric. Men aren't naturally anything. Those social expectations were created for them. If men were natural providers they would all provide for themselves as well, and there would be no deadbeat dads or men who ignore and hate pregnant women they change their minds about.

I am a natural provider as much as any woman lol. Some people want to provide, some people don't. But no matter what, you both have to provide something to the relationship whether it's money, chores, love, etc.

"Natural Law" is crap? You mean the way Hominins have lived for MILLIONS of years just like other animals.

Ya know, I would love to read a bunch of books that would help me understand just what in the hell you're talking about, but thanks to good old capitalism I don't have time, becasue I have to work and after I get done I don't have much time or energy for anything else.

You're an introvert, they're an extrovert, that's how

Yeah, person can potentially have zero friends at all and not feel lonely, or have a hundred friends and still feel incredibly lonely. Loneliness is about personal fulfillment with one's relationships, and those feelings can vary widely between different people and in different situations. These people keep trying to infer things from these raw stats, but you have to actually ask people if they're lonely or not, and why.

I agree partly. I feel this applies to many of the guys on the far right. But I still don't feel like the left is welcoming of nale specific issues they face. As soon as it's brought up it becomes a what aboutism with women's issues typically. Like because women have it worse overall (they do) men should just be ignored altogether. There are male specific issues that rarely get talked about by leftists, with leftist perspectives on our patriarchal structure. And while it's true guys don't have to be these super masculine types anymore, no one who says that generally talks about just how quickly many women are to drop you if you aren't masculine. It happens quite a bit and it's why a lot of leftist men give up on any sort or romantic relationship. And I have known so many bi men who give up on dating women because of it. People in online leftist communities tend to forget not everyone is terminally online. And the average woman in most places of the US can still have toxic views on men because of the patriarchy reinforcing them to think they need these things from a man. But people like Jake seem to refuse anything negative from the patriarchy that effects men. Particularly if it is coming from women. Men get told we aren't owed anyone's love or attention. Or it gets simplified to a guy whining because he isn't getting laid. When its the lack of romantic relationships that intimacy the guys want. No one is owed anyones attention of affection. But as humans we need these experiences. Without them humans begin to become mentally and physically unhealthy. This isn't just exaggeration, they have studied how loneliness can decrease your life giving you more health issues physically and mentally.

I agree. The left has many men in the space. Right-wingers have presented those men as “betas”, so young men don’t gravitate towards them. 🤷‍♀️ If you’re raised to feel superior because you’re a man, then a space or ideology that questions that superiority will ultimately be seen as threatening. No matter how nice and friendly they are, it will always be seen as a downgrade by comparison. There’s only so much you can do.

Very true! You expressed with patience and understanding here what I want to believe many of the toxic leftists shoe curated mean but never got around to lifting the veil of misandry. Patriarchy alienates these lonely men and our leftist analysis prescribes introspection that a lot of people aren't ready to undergo. That introspection requires a safe and nurting space to be performed. I want to think that shoe means to tell us in her video that we can and should be more nurturing to that effort. Fascists will point at our failure to do so and will offer the alienated man a facsimile of that nurturing space but they aren't nurturing introspection to challenge patriarchy, it's an echo chamber to validate their spurned rejection of the systems and movements that would actually solve the alienated man's problems.

Also, yes, the left has masculine role models, but we also notoriously cannibalize our own. I'll gesture broadly to vaush as a good leftist masculine figure, and will wince as the backlash comes flame him from people who inevitably validate the very same hypocrisy that shoe points to in her video. We can have another conversation whether shoe is a good faith source to discuss leftist hypocrisy, I'm not sure she is. But her case is made when the leftist men we have are beset on all sides by hoards of fuming woke scolds who don't hate our leftist masculine figures for any principled reason. I resolve the contradiction with a good ol true Scotsman fallacy. These mewling scolds are inconvenient to me and I'll say they aren't real leftists, and that the left is absolutely a welcoming space for men (the misandrists aren't leftist)

@@kronaperthro I understand where a lot of this may be coming from, but the only thing you can do is keep engaging with the topic until you meet people who are willing and able to tackle mens issues. The fact is that it’s an integral patriarchal structure that goes both ways. On the “whataboutism” part, you have to also keep in mind, that women have faced far more oppression than that which men have. You should be trying to help them resolve that if you want to resolve your own oppression in patriarchy. And yes, men are also oppressed by the system in their own ways. But men are new to this table, and if they want to have a seat and be heard, they do have to be willing to let others have their seats and be heard as well. As to relationships, while you aren’t owed any relationship with women, that also means they aren’t owed it from you either. You have to remind yourself that if you aren’t what those women want, that maybe, just maybe, you don’t want to be with those women either. Be yourself, be comfortable, associate yourself with people who like you and want to be around you. If you encounter a woman that is unkind to you for not being a “traditionally masculine man” then they likely hold traditional values, and have their own problems to contend with that you’re better off without. Most importantly though, you’ve really gotta let go of those women. Don’t obsess over them. Focus yourself on looking for something else, and someone else. If it’s not meant to be, it’s just not meant to be my guy.

Who needs context? 😂

She looks terrible and cringy.

LMAO

What exactly is “emotional labor”? Can’t you just be as kind and accommodating to men as you are to other women?

Lol okay good for you. However every one should do more emotional labor. Sorry. Men are socialized to never talk to anyone. And you should never open up to feminine people. Thank you for reassuring those toxic, patriarchal values.

"Pick me" is a term used by women who hate men to attack women who don't hate men.

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Yeah, some not-great takes from Jake here. Doesn't negate Shoe being a dipshit, obviously. But 'you're sad and lonely because you suck as a person' is ridiculously oversimplified and not even slightly helpful.

I'm extremely social so if you're lonely just pull yourself up from your bootstraps and get a gf

Jake has some pretty bad takes on this topic. So I wouldn't take his opinion personally. I recommend Vaush or Keffals (I don't think Keffals has videos specific to the topic though)

@@kronaperthroVash has really bad takes. Don’t trust either of those people.

You might do. Jake is certainly not talking about people like you at all.

​@@Waspinmymind As a guy who has struggled with social anxiety, dating and all of that I find Vaush's advice on it is stuff I had already have done myself that actually helped me. So his other opinions aside, I think he can actually be helpful to them. What alternatives do you have? Because Jake doesn't seem to have much of anything useful to say on this.

@@mezzb Yeah, I'm not big on gatekeeping who can talk about an issue. But yeah the "you aren't entitled to love/community" is a very toxic and anti social (to steal an argument from Keffals) thing to say. People need these things. So helping to address issues within themselves and within the wider society should be talked about. Which people like Jake don't seem to want to do.

She just says things. That's always been her deal, she hears stuff and says. No one ever calls her out on it because she gets it from everywhere. It's like if you took debate bro transcripts from the very first Thunderf00t-vs-Vemonfangx to vaush-vs-literallyeveryone, feed it into ChatGPT, and then attached the voice of an aging Waifu to it. That's shoe.

Imagine thinking that you can never have sex with your friends. I know this is no panacea but I think a lot of people think like this.

@@n0etic_f0x ???

@@n0etic_f0x Where in my comment did I even insinuate you can't? A lot of these men don't WANT to be friends with any woman, they want to fuck and wife them (or own them if the other two aren't enough).

@@themajesticspider-man6116 no quite the opposite, this is something I think people like shoe believes, it’s a really stupid lib take comments like yours combat.

There's nothing wrong with a woman wanting just be friends with a guy, as long as doesn't end their friendship or decide to "ghost" the guy the second she gets into a relationship (and yes I know women who do that, though to be fair I know men who do that as well, and yeah it's a very shitty thing to do!)

I largely agree with your point, but as general note, I'd suggest staying away from arguments about "being as oppressed as the other group".

@@Przemko27Z I think I, and everybody else, should avoid casually arguing that men might have it worse than women. I also think it's a lot more useful to focus on what difficulties a group faces than to simply argue that one group has it worse than the other.

Omg I feel seen. What I find fascinating about this video is Jake sounds like a typical leftist in the sense that he can accurately diagnose the issue at the social systemic level, but he sounds more like a typical right winger when he tries to engage with the topic at a practical interpersonal level, likewise with the droves of hateful posts celebrating the suffering of men. "I feel like I have solved this problem for every man on Earth and they just need to listen. Be normal." It's deeply ignorant pull yourself up by your bootstraps rhetoric. When he talks about how easy it is, he's speaking from a place of incredible unacknowledged privilege. This video is the epitome of how this issue has just been badly fumbled in popular discourse for like the past decade. If I didn't have the privilege of enough access to education and mental healthcare to have my issues properly understood and diagnosed, I'd be "diagnosed" by people like these as a dangerous irredeemable POS who should be unspeakably embarrassed to have the problems I have had. It's strange to see gender essentialism still function with the language of systemic analysis.

@@tomisaacson2762 long post, but I did read it, and I think that's a good post.

​@@tomisaacson2762 It isn't bootstraps rhetoric, because it isn't an impossible task to stop making issues that aren't unique to men all about yourself

It's hard to avoid when using an XL chisel-tipped Sharpie marker.

@@ConsciusVeritasVids lmao truuuuu

I don't get it. Like this has been one of the things that make me feel like really old. I have had women ask me out... I have five paramours... all male. I know society treats men and women differently... okay I know that and you know what? It sucks! For who? Yes! So if you just, don't you just say "Wow that fact... it is bad I will avoid" Good results.

Men's loneliness and unhappiness is completely their own fault.

She literally never blamed women in this video wtfdym

@@pepelag7278 Dude, she literally did.

@@NoMoreSuperHero she blamed people discounting the feelings of men .

You missed Jake doing that.

​@julietfischer5056 I didn't miss it. I've just been left blue-balled by the past coverage. Lol

Oh it got much worse.....

What good points?

Lmao the incel to trans pipeline is real

In the nicest wayy possible, what is your solution then? Maybe Jake's language comes off as dismissive to your issues, but I don't see how that changes anything. Are you seeing a therapist? A psychiatrist? Have you seen a neurologist? What are you doing to manage your mental health?

@@lvli044 would love too. Cant afford it

Still trying todosoand gnowledge that is, i dont tikhe tlks about that . butdudes blaming women and so

Jake is a lobotomite and doesn't understand that it's not about "pussy", it's about "da Boyz" so here is my advice: make yourself presentable and get into a social hobby/school schools have an unintended consequence of being social hubs

@@lvli044 Do you realize how bad of a response this is? I'm not sitting here complaining about how bad men have it, but as someone who has government-supplied health insurance, my last psychologist could only speak with me for 20 minutes a session, twice a month before she stopped bothering to contact me altogether. I've been on a waiting list for a new therapist for over 8 months. "Seeing a therapist" is a ridiculously difficult task for some people.

So if a person use Andrew as three examples on what not to do you automatically become the biggest Tate simp?

Out of curiosity how do the hikikomori fund themselves if they are not working for very long periods of time, sometimes for years? Are they living in their bedroom in their family home, supported by their parents or do they receive support from the Japanese government?

@@seamstressdragon8707 Late response, but they're generally supported by their family. Either living with parents, siblings, etc. or getting a sort of monthly allowance, if their family is well-off enough. But mostly the former.

Empathy is a tall order when you haven’t gotten it yourself. The people expressing indifference towards this subject are often from groups that are easy punching bags for men on any given day: women, queer people, non-conforming men, etc.. It’s just schadenfreude. I don’t think it’s a unique internet behavior. I think it’s just different because straight men are not typically on the receiving end.

@@LoneWulf278 Ok, but that's not a good thing though. Obviously being bullied, harrassed, and made fun of is a bad thing, but you shouldn't use that as an excuse to be an asshole to people who don't deserve it. That's called victimization.

@@jeremyusreevu237 I realize that. But it’s just human nature.

@@LoneWulf278 But that's the problem though. It may be human nature, but at the same time we need to fix that. We need to spread empathy to other people, regardless of their race, gender, sexuality, or whatever. And the people who don't do that to men are awful, because they know how bad sexism is, and rather than healing and preventing that from spreading, they want to give the pain of sexism to people whose only crime was looking like the people that wronged them. That's the point of Shoe's video.

@@jeremyusreevu237 I think they’re also suspicious because some of the headlines and statistics are used by others to motivate the subjugation of women. When an issue is presented and perceived as a veiled threat, it’s hard for the listening party to not block out any sensitivity towards the subject and sufferers.

Men's suicide attempts are similar to women's suicide ATTEMPT rate. Thats something people often leave out of the discussion on this. I remember Vaush bringing it up but it's not that men try to commit suicide more it's that they're more successful at it thus skewing the suicide rate towards themselves .

Men generally choose more dramatic ways to commit suicide like guns or throwing themselves in front of a vehicle. The attempt rate is similar but men are more successful because of this. Women's lower lethal suicide rate is a skill issue, not for a lack of trying. Basically toxic masculinity means that using pills is less manly than eating a shotgun so men do the latter and women do the former.

@@lnplum Conversely, women are statistically more inclined to not leave behind too gruesome of a scene.

Welp, I'm glad I plan on not watching any of this video

Yeah, it's really disappointing to see leftist content creators play down misandry as a problem.

What do you want people to do for men specifically? Like what is the solution? Bc Shoe didnt give any and Jake did.

@@lvli044Jake said Be Better, but barely touched on what that means. A lot of lonely guys don’t have friends in general. Advice on how to learn to socialize would be a good start. The importance of finding hobbies to be passionate about. Basically things that’ll help a lonely person realize they are Kenough without a partner.

@@nikdual that's still more than Shoe said is my point. And quite frankly, a commentary RU-vidr shouldn't be the one giving out specifics. If I have one criticism of what any of these guys say, it should begin and end with "go to therapy" It should absolutely not be Shoe's approach of "just doomscroll twitter and curate the craziest ones for your audience of vulnerable, impressionable men lol"

Actually she deserves this type of attention to counter-balance the legitimacy she has cultivated for herself by infiltrating and coopting leftist ideology.

Probably because her video got 2 million views in a week

her takes are often so braindead they’re easy to dismantle and make content off of. thats really all it boils down to.

Get over yourself dude. Just put yourself in more social situations.

Yeah I live in Florida too man, the working class here are fuckin jack asses. I've had people complaining they can't work 50 hour work weeks instead of.. idk helping everyone unionize so we can have better wages and amenities. Regardless I get it man, but there are people here that aren't Republican dumbasses. It just requires you talking to those that you otherwise wouldn't, and bringing certain things up in context to "test the waters" of their perspective. But in all honesty, finding new friends isn't going to help you. It sounds to me that you're depressed and for the record, the advice aimed at incels and other misogynistic assholes isn't necessarily aimed at people that have this condition as well. I'd say therapy is where you should start, even if it is just 2-3 sessions lots can happen when you have someone to speak your mind openly with without all the hassle of worrying about preconceived beliefs like the ones your mother and father may have. It's overall a bad idea to use other people in social scenarios as crutches to your poor mental health. Because they are individuals as well, and can leave at any time, which leads to the crutches falling out from under you and more than likely leading to further problems. I'd say you shouldn't beat yourself up over things you can't control and instead focus on what you can control, things like your personal wellbeing and laughing at things that would usually make you angry. Honestly there isn't really a fix-all for everyone to follow, people are different and cope in their own ways. Above all else, get off the damn Internet. Play games, watch movies, hell maybe get incense and try meditation . Leave the world behind every now and again, it leaves you behind all the time. Lastly, seriously see a professional given that you are able. If so, there are some therapists that just aren't good. You may have to look around for a while but it's better than trying to get advice from someone specifically targeting the type of men that fall into misogynistic rabbit holes because they hate women and blame them for all their problems. You clearly are not the type of person that is being spoken about here, so it isn't going to be of any use to you.

@@kayakat1869 "Just stopped being depressed" "Just stop having social anxiety" The idea that the left gives a single solitary fuck about mental health is a fraud.

Listen, listen, I can tolerate not attacking my own father, about an argument, that he compared transgender people to the concept of a non-human animal in this case a dog, BEING ABLE TALK and tell you it identifies as human. He simply wouldn't take that, that does not make for a good or logical argument against transgender people just existing. I don't even want to get into the creationism/evolution "debate" If I have to have a stupid argument like that with another person, outside of my family, I might just end up in court. I HATE people, I can't just not hate people, I need space with people I can tolerate which I can only find online.

I just hate being called a piece of shit, by people who don't know, or presume to know everything about me and my life, just because of a piece of material matter between my legs and keep asserting that I am a piece of shit, it PISSES ME OFF, I try the hardest the I can EVERY DAY and when I complaints, people just tell me to shut up, and MAN UP as if that "man up" as if the term isn't a shining example of toxic masculinity that it is. Being told I'm a piece of shit just for feeling lonely by Jake just pisses me off. I get called a chimpanzee by white supremacists online and a got angry, why shouldn't I be able angry at Jake? It's been 14 years, since I damaged my wall/door and the last time was when a curious 12 year old biracial child got curious and decided to explore a white nationalist forum, it fucking scarred me. It's not like I agree with shoe0head, I left her as far as youtubers I used to regularly watch among the alt-right grifters. I just don't feel welcome here.

her argument can be destroyed by reminding her how many libs supported the silver legion in 1939

😂

That's pretty incoherent

@@tuckerbugeater Most of her takes usually are. Just contrarian strawmaning is most of what she says often is, and people still take her seriously.

Bruh right😂😂

Are you stupid on purpose

She's just profiting off the suffering of men who are forced into virginity

I mean yeah, it is way beer for him once he adresses what he could improve on and adress his life. how he can bond healthier. how he can learn.

Make it make sense.

This isn’t the sentiment going on

Why don't we just stopped Humanity right now

She's talking more to the *side* of her mic (which is easier to see when she leans in closer to the mic for emphasis) -- and because Blue's condensers are pointed sideways for some god-awful reason, it's probably picking her up better than if she was talking directly into the front of the mic. If you're gonna criticize Shoe's mic, it should definitely be her choice of brand and model.

@@khill8645 it has a knob on the back to choose what condenser you want to use (I think there's 3) but the front facing one has the best sound quality for speaking up close. Yes it's a shit mic but she can at least use it properly to get better quality. Also she sucks. Don't defend her.

@@unfortuitousash The whole problem with those mics and why they're seen as trash is that they _don't even _*_have_* a directly front-facing condenser -- all 3 are angled away from the front to varying degrees so that the mic can fake pattern directionality in firmware And "she's an awful person, don't defend her" is just low-effort deflection -- frankly, the _only_ good thing I can say about her is that she's not using shitty equipment in a way that makes her presentation even worse.

@@khill8645nah, dude, she sucks. and you get better quality by setting that mic properly.

It’s just kinda interesting when influencers make videos about male loneliness because the internet/social media is a big contributing factor. Men and boys have many anonymous and low-risk ways of socializing that hinders their ability to strengthen interpersonal skills as quickly as girls do. There are studies that say 46% of men don’t even actually approach women for dates because they prefer online dating, even though it’s notoriously unreliable. They’re running in place because it feels safer, but also calling out for other people to assist. Yet, still not taking in the information. I’m sympathetic to the issue. But nobody can force people to do something that clearly makes them feel uncomfortable or less secure. It’s hard to really glean how important this is to them.

Idk if everybody thinks like that here, but I see Vaush as left wing Ben Shapiro.

@@Djanck000 I getcha. I disagree with your opinion, but that’s a separate thing. Lol

I'm pro Vaush

@@letustalk Yeah, i totally get that people like him and i don't think he is a bad person. I just don't like debates that much to begin with and i really dislike when people use debate tactics over arguments, which is something Vaush and Ben do a lot.

I thought even VGG is a Vowsh bad community?

Doing a quick Google search told me it's about a 90 to 10 percent ratio Men being the larger stat. So uh... to say most are men would be a bit underselling it.

It's a mindset they will not hold for minority groups but because men are the majority group they suddenly can't have issues, ignore the fact bi men, gay men, trans men exist that can face these issues too.

​​@@LewdNoodzI've known so many bi men who have given up on dating women. They have better luck with other men than women. It purely is a problem with men dating women in today's world. Not saying bi/gay men aren't lonely either, but I have seen more of them have better luck dating at least a little then their straight counter parts. Also not a misogynist. I realize it is partly the fault of the patriarchal view of men and women relations.

He doesn't care He's here to circlejerk with a bunch of other miserable pos. That's it, that's his existence now that he's lost 80% of his audience

bro ..... he literally did say men are struggling so are women as the loneliness epidemic is on everyone due to our current society and its issues and its not up to women to "fix men" we have to solve the societal issues and men have to be willing to do it themselves without dragging women for emotional support cause its "not manly to be emotional" its almost like you didnt watch the video and just spewed a repeated line cause you hate it when your youtube e thot is questioned for her increasingly bad takes

@reform-revolution When people say men have problems they are noy saying it's a woman's fault or that they have to solely help men we are just saying that the left does not address men's issues but instead they handwave it or they instantly say women have it harder. This is not how anyone would treat other minority groups' problems. There are more to men issues than just being lonely, but none of these online leftists understand that, apparently. Also, it was very misogynistic of you to call Shoe an E-thot when this isn't about her.

Exactly.

Oh, I don't know, maybe you could just show basic human empathy towards people who are worse off than you. Is that such a crime?

@@jeremyusreevu237 What do you mean "worse off than you"? How well am I doing? What's my class status and identity?

@@lvli044 What I mean is that if a man feels isolated, is suffering from depression, or has suicidal thoughts, respond like an actual human being with a conscience and basic empathy instead of going "You deserve all of that, because people with the same gender as you have been assholes."

@@jeremyusreevu237 bc thats something I do? I'm really confused where these assumptions come from. Do you assume everyone is like Twitter weirdos?

Its not Jordan or Jarvis. Its some homophobic tradcath guy.

@@GeteMachine I realised that. I was confused cause he said its was one of the sad boys. But maybe sad is code for proud.

Who is Jack

@@ActualJake GOT EM. 🙄

Nah just genuinely curious @@kronaperthro

@@ActualJakeHe obviously meant you, Jake. Stop dodging

@@PinocchioDread I was hoping for that the entire video. Just to stop dodging the issue and making excuses.

Well in all fairness do you know any conservtives who are genuinely nice?

Yeah most lonely me don't feel bad for themselves like that until Jake tells us how much it's our fault and that i did this to myself I'm less of a man

Yes, this. Toxic masculinity also hurts men and it is also perpetuated by women, but the harm men experience is not unique or greater than that of others but we do dominate these conversations by default. The volatile reactions are a consequence of this. We need to fix men by raising boys better but the men lamenting male loneliness mostly don't understand that and think the problem is everyone else.

@@aurizzistic not sure if that's sarcasm or not but in the event it isn't: I don't care how comfy the rock you live under is, you need to come out from time to time.

Preach

The man still felt the need to get his shins broken to put iron bars in his legs to feel like he's worthwhile. Too bad for him I'm 6'7 and have no friends and currently listening to how this is my fault. I'm also a leftist, I have good values, I care about inequality, Im anticapitalist. I I also haven't gotten a text on my birthday or any holiday for almost 7 years. I also havent talked to anyone besides sometimes maybe sometimes discord in about 8 years. Its my fault though

Glad I make you roll your eyes though because there can never be any problems for men. The patriarchy means every one of us has power it's great for me. I love my medicaid. That's my privledge. Doctors listen to me. It's worth men having a twice the rate of crippling lonliness. Im also demisexual so my dating problems are women think im less of a man because I'm not ready to have sex with them

​@aurizzistic Yeah I'm really not impressed with actual Jake's takes on this. Shoe really does have her problems, but this response leaves a ton to be desired. If you want another creator who gives a good breakdown on the faults in shoes logic, but still gives a much more convincing counter argument I recommend Signified B Sides. Like Jake's whole rant here about what guys can do to fix their loneliness ends with either it's the fact you don't put yourself in enough social situations, or it's you and your personality. Like what? What a terrible take.

It does seem a little bit like you're blaming the trans dude for his own loneliness, idk?????

You can. It doesn't mean that it has to be leftist talking to men. It just has to be decent men .

Who are all these men who have all this stuff? Are you talking about my bosses!? I don't even identify as a man, but for any woman I've ever had a romantic interest in, I have no idea if that changed how they interacted with me whatsoever! But, look, if my boss gets laid 4 times this month and makes 10k dollars, well then I guess congratulate me too 'cause I guess we averaged getting laid twice and making about 6k dollars. Wow that really makes me feel good. Look, I know I have male privilege! I don't see how this specific problem ties into that? Also, duh, I'm not just talking about loneliness in the romantic or sexual sense! Look, I'll admit it, part of it is that, hey, maybe I don't like most people very much. Maybe most of the people I interact with have beliefs, speech, or actions that disgust me! I guess I'll say it again, I just think it's so weird, just because male privilege is a thing, to talk about "men" as if they're one, like, entity. Why isn't that really weird to you lol