Mat Cauthon that's a shame... Christ even forbid humans to use swords, but instead people who call themselves as the followers of Christ use guns to make war... what a really shame
Well just a summary from the link, you are allowed to kill, but it has to be justified in God's eye. It's misunderstood on the subject of killing with the "Thou shalt not kill" part being mistranslated according to the link (I'm not really a religious guy so I don't really know much), Deuteronomy 20:1 is an example of God permitting war.
anthony ioane as a matter of fact, Luke 22:36 “He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one”
i like playing as the Otomo, they are the underdogs surrounded by Buddhist clans. i feel like Stannis Baratheon everytime just without the infamous defeat by the Boltons.
@Martin Silvan oh,the enemy overwhelmed us? Send the pew pew cav to their gen! Fire the big metal bamboos of destruction! Its time to smash those heathen potato!!
It feels more like Littlefinger, if you ask me. Defeating your enemies without even moving your army out of the Kyushu island, spamming ninjas to sabotage armies and missionaries to create christian revolts, overthrowing every clan on Chugoku peninsula and taking down Kyoto like it's nothing.. You win the game of thrones just by "uniting" the christian folks. Desu vult
Other clans: “We are the envy of all, our strengths come from our traditions and honor in battle. Otomo: “No sir, Powder and Artillery are the surest and most conciliatory measures we can adopt!”
Cielo Pachirisu you speak of the Otomo as if they were barbarians. Blitzkrieg was an execution by firing squad, used by the Nazis. The only half of it I didn't agree with, is that the ancient Catholicism Church delved too much into judgement during the Medieval Times. All people needed permission from the Holy Church of Rome to teach others what was written in the Bible. If done without permission,the Leaders of the Church would put them on trial for High Treason to the Church,and have them beheaded. But in truth,what was written in the Bible is supposed to be taught to the people. As Christians;our alliegence is to God,and Jesus,not to the Leaders of the Church in which many have tried to appear as God does. What those Leaders did in past made them the True Blasphemers!
@@jakobkiilerich3588 that is still part of Buddhism (the ikko sect) If anything, that tri religious war would be between Christianity, Buddhism and Shintoism
Portuguese: Amm dude can we trade here? Otomo: no! This is a close country! Portuguese: how about Jesus? Otomo: no! we're already having a religious indifferences here. Portuguese: how about our guns? Otomo: I'd like reconsider..
It 's turned into a favourite tactic aswell, just raise christian revolts in neighbouring lands then come in and finish off the rebels when they take it, no need to tread on any alliance's feet (apart from those you're actively combating)
Conquering Kyushu is so much of a pain with them around, but on the other hand at least I can finally used my monks to incite rebellion more frequently
That's not true. The Tanegashima Tokitaka, who first purchased the two firearms and then had them replicated, saw that they required great skill and training to both master the use of and master the craft of producing them. The way the Nanban or Portuguese merchants described the concept of aiming, Tanegashima equated and noted that it as a form of meditation similar to some Buddhist teachings. He practiced firing everyday until he was able to hit 100 targets out of 100 targets without missing. The Samurai did not think it was cowardly to use, especially as you see how wide spread it became. The tactics created independent from Western help such as the way Oda Nobunaga defeated the Takeda cavalry. They even purchased and replicated their own version of European Steel Breastplates, called Tameshi dou or Tested Armor because it was tested to be effective at resisting bullets. All firearms did was make war more dynamic.
I don’t think it was so much the dishonor of using a gun, rather the dishonor of interacting with Christian, Mercantile Europeans that was considered dishonorable. Japan viewed Christianity as a danger to society, because it was new and took away power from traditional sources. Hence why it was banned for almost 200 years, with the punishment being death if you were found practicing. Japans social structure also weighed against Merchants, who were considered to be the lowest class of people, even lower than peasants, so daimyo and samurai dealing with merchants was generally considered to be beneath them. Foreign Merchants even more so. They also didn’t really have a need for foreign goods, as for the most part Japan was self sufficient, or traded with China and Korea. Other than firearms, which Japan quickly learned to make and manufacture by themselves, the Japanese Shogunate didn’t need or want anything from Europeans.
@@bigj1905 >Japan quickly learned to make and manufacture by themselves, the Japanese Shogunate didn’t need or want anything from Europeans. Didn't want? Absolutely true, didn't need though? That's debatable. European firearms and artillery technology was pretty much in every way superior to anything the Japanese made, and kept advancing even when the Japanese seemed to lag behind exactly because they were so bone headed. European doctrine was also honestly way ahead of the Japanese. You just can't learn what took the Europeans hundreds of years to figure out properly in a few years, even today a company that has never designed or manufactured firearms will run into huge issues if they ever try to do that without outside help, just look at the developement of the SA-80. No doubt the Japanese had the same problems too, at the time they had access through Europeans to what they probably thought was the perfect formula, but as is the case with firearms technology it would become obsolete in a few decades time, and from that point onwards they would have had to go through the same trial and error process that the Europeans did, but with half the preexisting knowledge and understanding of firearms and their manufacture. This is exactly why the next time Europeans, or rather their long lost brothers show up in Japan they show up with yet more cool guns they've never seen before.
"He practiced firing everyday until he was able to hit 100 targets out of 100 targets without missing." Ah so he became the worlds first person to attain an asian skill level.
@@HandleMyBallsRU-vid But, Japan wasn’t at war, so they never needed to purchase weapons. They, like China, simply didn’t really want anything. Only when they realized how far behind they were did they rapidly industrialize. Yeah And ironically enough, say you can’t just learn what the took the Europeans hundred a of years and figure it out properly in a few years, but……..that’s exactly what they did. In two decades, Japan went from a feudal, agrarian society to a modern industrial society. Two decades. And then beat a European power a few years later. If that’s not rapid progress, then I don’t know what is.
@@paulom8804 The order of Santiago arose in the Kingdom of León and was named after the patron saint of Spain. And its original objective was to expel Muslims and protect pilgrims on the Camino de Santiago it is possible that they where some portuguese but most likely they spaniards spanish (in my opinion) and I know that the Portuguese were settled in Macao but the Spanish were also in Manila
yeah, I find you have to literally eradicate the Catholics from Bungo and build a Buddhist temple in its place. Otherwise, there'd be no end to the religious uprisings.
Right now in my campaign. I have a missionary, ninja and gysha bothering the shogonate with the metsuke Watching the madness unnfold while Oda watches with glee. It's hilarious to see them get a different Daimyo after taking out the heirs while the Missionary preacher yells at them. The metsuke arrests the occasional ninja who gets hired.
I like this new faction DLC.. I may buy it.. I got the Hattori which is fun.. but the combination between western and eastern cultures right off like that looks fun!
Introducing a foreign religion to people of large population in island does sound like its gonna makes troubles. Did this happen to other islands countries when Spain or Portugal introduces them to religion or guns?
@@Brandonhayhew actually the Portuguese were more easygoing with religion since we were a small populated country. Hence official policy was more commerce oriented the religious aspect of our overseas empire was more of a prestige thing. The portuguese Jesuit priests were more easygoing than our Spanish counterparts. Portuguese in Asia and North Africa didn’t force conversions and were highly tolerant of other fates trying to blend religious syncretism rather than to appeal to religious orthodoxy like the Spanish did. Our priests were highly regarded as advisers and tutors to the Chinese emperor.This was on Asia and Muslim Africa mind you, on Subsaharan Africa and Brazil we forced the natives to convert.
@@Brandonhayhew oh definitely, and even then Christianity was the *second* foreign religion spread to Japan. The *first* time it happened was a millennium ago in the asuka period, when Buddhism came to Japan via one of the 3 Korean kingdoms (Baekje), who in turn got it from China, who in turn got it from India (via the silk road more or less)
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 it must have troubles, when introduced to foreign religions. Centuries later, a new foreign religions and thus new troubles. Does history repeats, or do they just cause disputes
In Japan the katana was only one weapon at a samurai's disposal and the bow had always seen greater use than the katana. Why would the musket be dishonorable?
because it requires no skill at all, you just point and it goes bang, any idiot can be taught to use a musket semi effective in hours, it takes months or years to learn how to properly use a bow.
Kez Dxx many of the Samurai considered the odors given off by the gunpowder explosions within the muskets' barrel to be of "Ill Fortune",and was why they said it was a weapon that is sure to give Victory,but gives no Honor. Many Samurai had nothing against shooting the enemy,because of its effect in accuracy!
jonasnee obviously right,but it makes nobody Stupid. Think of the accuracy the Portuguese had when hunting. Me however...yes I'd much rather use a bow if I ever went hunting.
As one who plays Shimazu, Otomo is an unmitigated pain in my ass. Thier agents run around converting everytthing to christianity, then when I do take it over, its christian revolts and angry citizens and years of garrison troops to quell the anger.......ooooof.
How to play Otomo Step 1. Defend the lands from enemy factions with lots of guns Step 2. Train the Pastor until he can incite rebellions Step 3. Invade in the guise of quelling the Rebels Step 4. Get Nanban trade ships and start blockade Step 5. Rinse and repeat 2 & 3 all the way to Kyoto
You’d think the Tercos would be more op then how they already are in game. Given how advanced European armor and melee weapons were compared to the samurai. Not even counting the guns they have. But yeah I know balancing. But it’d still be funny to be able to take all of Japan with basically only Portuguese soldiers.
Except the portugese weren't that advanced. On the naval front they had been bested by the Ming same thing on land. The Ming army themselves had troubles dealing with the Japanese invasion of Korea. This is not 19th century europe with their breech-loaders and flintlocks (most importantly Ship of the line, steamships and advanced artillery technology that allowed them dominate naval battles). Finally gunpowder weapons are fairly widespread on the Asian mainland (artillery and various other powder weapons were the main power of the Ming army along witht their calvary and that is what allowed Zheng He to sail the Chinese fleet into SouthEast Asia unopposed and topple local goverments at will) . Finaly matchlock is an extremely simple and primitive technology that any country with metalworkers could make it and by the end of the Sengoku period, many Namban in Japan remarked that there were more matchlocks there than any single country in europe.
@@dabo5078 It can be simple to make with the right molds and knowledge. Things bought by the Europeans. Also that battle you mentioned had the Portuguese at a major number disadvantage, 5 against 50. Yet, the Portuguese had a huge advantage initially as their guns outreached the Ming. The only reason the Ming won is because they kind of just charged the few Portuguese ships down and boarded them. A similar battle happened except with 300 against 6. And yet most of the Portuguese ships got away as well. This seems more like the Chinese winning due to sheer overwhelming numbers and not technology. Portuguese had small amounts of actual military forces in Asia. They were there to trade, not conquer. But if they wanted to, they could probably have beaten the Chinese if they wanted to send all they had.
@@kaijuslayer3334 japan was many times more populous than Portugal at least 10 times more. Plus the Portuguese strength was only in its navy and fortified coastal towns..... given how insignificant the Portuguese army was, it is no wonder the Portuguese role was equally insignificantly present on the geopolitical table game of europe in the early modern period. The Anglo-Portuguese Alliance was part of the Portuguese strategy system to guarantee independence from Spain, as it greatly did at the Battle of Aljubarrota. Basically you are comparing a thalassocratic venetian empire or genoese (Portugal) vs. A fragmented holy roman empire (Japan)
@@kddiodox Portugal was capable of fighting the Ottomans, one of the most powerful nations in the world at the time, for hundreds of years during their empire period. They weren't insignificant in any sense. At the battle of Fukuda Bay, two of thier trade ships defeated 70 Japanese ships. 2 trading ships defeated a Japanese fleet; imagine a proper Portuguese War fleet.
the game actually emphasize on its encyclopedias and loading screen on how a samurai had to always train with the gun to be accurate with it. but if you sorta compare using the bow with using the gun, that statement isn't really wrong (especially when the game is centered around at the time period where guns were still getting its way into japan)
I'm sorry my timeframes are a bit rusty. But around this time weren't guns mainly about the reload skill. Since you shot round ball through a barrel without grooves within. I'm pretty sure it didn't quite end up where you aimed at. More like a general direction? We are talking about matchlocks here not modern rifles, right?
@@thewanderingdoomed4883 Build a chapel in every conquered provinces I get it, but is tearing down all religious sites and build church/chapel in its place, no matter how much bonus the site has, necessary? I still wonder how feasible it is to prepare for the attack with missionaries to create riots before the army moving in.
Portugual: find Japan and bring them gunpowder weapons Everyone else seeing this video: DEUS VULT DEUS VULT! Me as a portuguese with curiosity about history: Did the portuguese joined the crussades?
Depends on what you mean by 'Crusades". Did a Portuguese monarch send an army to the holy land? No. However, the Portuguese coast was a valuable supply base for the crusader armies on the way to the Mediterranean. And, of course, there was also the reconquista, where the Portuguese fought against the moors who contolled most of southern Iberia.
Iberian Peninsula were considered to be valid as crusader targets during the 2nd crusade. Actually the thig that redeemed the 2nd Crusade was the conquest of Lisbon by a portuguese/crusader army.
It depends which Crusade - it didn't take part in Holy Crusades for Holy Land, but it did take part in Holy Crusade for Iberia, today known as _Reconquista._ It is essentially how this country was formed.
The Scandinavian Church model of Bishops who would carry an idol, sceptre, or Bible in one hand and an axe in the other was pretty effective - the missionary model didn't work, nor did conquest, but missionaries who also did some conquest? That was the sweet spot
Yep,but that is true with about any game which you have a different religion(or allegiance as in Fall Of The Samurai and Rise Of The Samurai) to other people. The problem being personally for me the economic. I am good at the strategic, governing and tactics XD
In the riality is not otomo but rather portugal because that took fire arms to Japan was the Portuguese and who invented the caravels that is the boat at the beginning of the intro are the Portuguese. And also those who spread Christianity in Japan were the Portuguese.
There are still a lot of Catholics in Japan. But if Christianity doesn't fit in Japan for you, how would you react to information, that in beginning of XXth Century it considered coverting to Islam?
