Shogun | Episode 9 | TV Reaction | First Time Watching | This Is Crimson Sky?!?

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Mariko heads to Osaka to play out Toranaga's Crimson Sky in Episode 9 of Shogun (2024), "Crimson Sky" from FX. Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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@user-yv8qu1tm4j 25 дней назад

The concept of Noh is that life is like a temporary dream. It seems to have been a concept shared by the Japanese people of that time. It seems to me that the Samurai thought about “dying beautifully” because life is short. The reason why cherry blossoms are loved by Japanese people is because they feel the fleeting nature of life in cherry blossoms, which fall apart in a short period of time. Toda Mariko's line, “Flowers are only flowers because they fall,” has the same meaning.

@gacchan 24 дня назад

Leafless Branch is another title/play on word for Ochiba's name, so it was a way to directly talk to her without anyone else realizing bc Ishido is lowborn.

@nyjazzman 24 дня назад

Mariko’s death was not the plan by Ishido. I think the plan was for the shinobi to just kidnap her. No one thought she would make the sacrifice she did by putting herself in front of an exploding door. As she said, death does not mean surrender. She has wanted to die ever since her whole family line was massacred by her father’s action of assassinating the former Japanese leader. At the time, her father married her off to Buntaro to save her life. I believe in that particular time, in that culture, her desire to die was totally understood.

@GhostWatcher2024 24 дня назад

It goes beyond that though. If she was kidnapped...Ishido could spin her tale that she left at daybreak as allowed... by her dying it is indisputable that Ishido never intended for her to be free to leave.... In short...whether by Ishido's guards, her own hand, or paid shinoba (mercenaries)... the success of her mission required her death.... She was Toranaga's sacrificed queen in this game of chess. Beware the chestmaster that has no problem sacrificing the queen to get the checkmate.

@mikec42 25 дней назад

Mariko's son is the AJ Soprano of feudal Japan.

@Ohitswilly 24 дня назад

So what, no fuckin' ziti now?

@mikec42 24 дня назад

@@Ohitswilly 🤣🤣🤣

@Glisern 24 дня назад

They're not "hoping she doesn't hit them" they're desperately trying to not hit her or injure her in any way. That's why they moved away when she moved close, and only intercept her weapon, never her.

@SutekhDaSteemroller 25 дней назад

Your husband is right. Mariko was granted passage then the same night she's killed by shinobi in an explosion. Totally disgraceful act by Ishido against a CHRISTIAN highborn. Ochiba's childhood friend murdered in a totally dishonorable fashion will not sit well with her. Kiyama and Ohno can no longer trust Ishido also as he will kill christians at his convenience. If you notice throughout the series Ishido's clothing is not nearly as ornate as Mariko, Toranaga, Kiyama, or Ohno. He has very drab , neutral colored clothing for the series. A subtle way of showing he is not of the same class as everyone else. This entire episode focuses on that

@Ycekhold 24 дня назад

"The seat would stink of the countryside", indeed.

@joeyartk 24 дня назад

Most Japanese considered Christianity a weird foreign cult(they still do). Most of the Christian daimyo were only interested in Portuguese weapons and money. They usually quickly gave up their beliefs when threatened with death.

@aworkinprogress4387 23 дня назад

This was the best episode in the series. Mariko was amazing. I love that Crimson Sky wasn't an army, it was just one woman who undid all of Torunaga's enemies.

@gacchan 24 дня назад

Also the thing with Ishido and Mariko was he wanted her to just disappear by bandits, oops, not his fault.

@GhostWatcher2024 24 дня назад

*...A leafless branch...* "Whats the rest of that poem. That was a message to her." It wasnt a psrt of a full poem... rap battle indeed... its like when Mariko and Toranaga were exchanging lines... the lines are made up on the fly, passing the next line back and forth... Ochiba was alluding to practicing this with Mariko when they were young and offered the first line of the proposed competition to Mariko.... So that line was the ONLY line so far... And yes it was a message directly for Ochiba.... Because "Ochiba" means "Fallen Leaves"....thus a leafless branch is what is left behind.... as Ochiba left Mariko behind....

@manbearpig7359 24 дня назад

One of my guilty pleasures is watching Americans trying to figure out shows like Shogun

@Blajammer 24 дня назад

I’m glad a wider audience gets exposed to my culture but I also agree with you in that is quite amusing

@Ha1cy0n 24 дня назад

Nothing to figure out about a sub par tv show. Read the book or watch the 80s version. This show is a 4 or 5 at best.

@BIGxBOSSxx1 24 дня назад

@@Ha1cy0nCouldn’t be any more wrong. The old show purely focuses on the Anjin’s perspective and very little of Japan, and it was known for not being culturally accurate. This is way better in pretty much every way.

@manbearpig7359 23 дня назад

@@Ha1cy0n But yet you have taken the time to go on YT and watch other people react to a show that you don't like, and then take the further time to read the comments section?

@Fallen616 22 дня назад

@@BIGxBOSSxx1Very true! I’ve watched the 1980s miniseries and I immensely enjoyed this version because of its authentic Japanese portrayal. Whereas the 80s version focused solely on Blackthorne, this series focused heavily on Mariko, and Toranaga in that they felt like real, fleshed our characters with their own motivations and grievances. In the 80s miniseries, the Japanese characters felt like props, meant to propel Blckthorne forward whereas here, Mariko and Toranaga are definitely the most interesting and compelling characters.

@dimbose9229 20 дней назад

Mariko is Crimson Sky.

@michaellockhart554 20 дней назад

Kiri-no-kata is Toronaga's wife, Shizu is his consort, most nobles and multiple consorts but only one wife

@P.HATHCOX 25 дней назад

I know Mariko's death seems confusing and pointless here, Mr and Mrs Movies but stay tuned. There are reasons for everything that has been happening for the past few episodes. All will be revealed. Crimson Sky is in effect.

@Philistine47 24 дня назад

Yes, there are reasons, and yes, there will be an explanation; but that doesn't mean the reasons and the explanation will be satisfactory.

@to0muchtoan 24 дня назад

RIP TO THE REALEST 😭

@midnightcat6116 25 дней назад

Is she ok? The guy’s really nice, though :)

@alexshank1414 24 дня назад

I thought I was going to see an anti-cry drink at Mariko’s suicide. That was pretty close.

@chadbuchanan7044 24 дня назад

I hated seeing that, but I love what happens next. I ran out of time that night to watch the final episode and couldn't stand ending on that note.

@TheMajestyD 25 дней назад

Wild episode

@0xkero 21 день назад

Husband have great reactions ❤

@Philistine47 24 дня назад

Somehow I don't think Mrs. Movies is going to love how this series winds up.

@chadbuchanan7044 24 дня назад

I felt like they did her justice. Don't want to say how because of spoilers, but it was beautiful, and made my heart jump into my throat, considering what was said, and by whom.

@mogambo4565 22 дня назад

Toranaga sent her to die in order to sow dissent amongst the ruling families. If she didnt die toranaga wouldn't have support of the rest of clans to go against Ishido.

@Christian-el2bz 20 дней назад

You can also turn it around. If she did NOT die, but DID manage to leave: Osaka would hemorrhage power and people. Both moves would shake Osaka to the core - and give Ishido another disadvantage while giving Toranaga another advantage.

@martinbraun1211 25 дней назад

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@denial987 24 дня назад

Too bad this was not an one-off like the original miniseries was in the 80s. I do not see how this can go on for another two seasons.

@ronweber1402 24 дня назад

I foresee a Game of Thrones situation where the screenwriters flail after running out of original material by the author.

@theebronks 24 дня назад

Considering it is based on and follows relatively closely to actual historical events there is a guideline for progression in the series.

@joeyartk 24 дня назад

@@theebronksIt is very very loosely based and does not follow real events hardly at all.

@PeterEvansPeteTakesPictures 24 дня назад

Already mentally picking this show up and carefully putting it on a seperate shelf as a self-contained thing that exists alone for alway.

@hackapump 24 дня назад

Given that there is no sequel to the novel, there really is no way of knowing what they'll do with a second season. True, Japanese history obviously continued past what inspired this story, but this period was followed by a long stretch (100+ years) of peace and unity in the country. Hardly the same fodder for drama. But if anyone can pull it off, I believe it's the creative team behind this show. But we'll see.

@joeyartk 24 дня назад

I don't know who came up with the ridiculous idea that stabbing yourself isn't suicide if someone else cuts your head off at your request(which isn't the way women committed suicide, they slit a vein in their neck) , but they clearly know nothing about Catholic theology. That's why the real Hosokawa Gracia (Mariko) was actually killed by a servant on order of her husband, the great Lord Hosokawa Tadaoki. She knew about it and accepted it, but did not initiate it. Since she was a devout Catholic, she never commited adultery either, which is just as bad a sin as suicide. Of course she never even met John Adams (Blackthorn), who was not even present at any of these battles. She actually never even left the Hosokawa mansion in Osaka the whole time. And her only importance and the reason for the attempted hostage taking, was because she was the wife of Hosokawa Tadaoki, leader of the Hosokawa clan, who led 5000 warriors from his clan into battle here supporting Tokugawa (Toranaga). Historical fiction is one thing, but this is outright alternate history or more accurately, pure fantasy. Lol