Shogun | Episode 8 | TV Reaction | First Time Watching | It's All A Game of Chess!

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Toranaga heads back to Edo to mourn the loss of his son and prepare for his next course of action in Episode 8 of Shogun (2024), "The Abyss of Life" from FX. Here's our reaction to our first time watching.
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@aaronbourque5494 Месяц назад

This adaptation managed something incredible: while remaining true to the book it's based on, it managed to surprise those who had read the book.

@alexlim864 Месяц назад

16:20 Toranaga really did them dirty on that one. The courtesans deserve a better class of neighbor 😅

@deithlan Месяц назад

😂😂😂😂

@user-qu7mp3xb4n Месяц назад

😂😂😂😂😂

@mikeymike1843 27 дней назад

So funny.🤣

@jorluo Месяц назад

Shogun co-showrunner Justin Marks has said that Toranaga's original plan was to order his three generals, who wore armor in his son’s funeral, to commit seppuku. That way his enemies would believe that he had really given up. Marks: “Toranaga turns to Hiromatsu in shock because he did not intend for Hiromatsu to do this.” General Hiromatsu didn’t just die for Toranaga but for his friends (those generals) as well. He saved their lives plus convinced the Regents even more powerfully than the seppuku of the three generals would have done.

@ichwanbedwiner Месяц назад

You know...I was asking the same thing about how this show was going to wrap itself up. When the end credits started rolling on the final episode, I was just left motionless on my couch. If it was a theater, I think the entire audience would've erupted in applause...it was a tremendous emotional journey and flawlessly executed.

@hufemeve Месяц назад

we can surely say that Buntaro had the worst day of his life: dumped by his wife so then he had to behead his own father........... damn it

@thomaschristopherwhite9043 Месяц назад

"She looks freezing" yeah... This was shot in Vancouver. I imagine everyone was just wet, freezing and miserable.

@deithlan Месяц назад

My god 😭

@vinsanity40k Месяц назад

kiku was a trooper 😄

@polterkat Месяц назад

Was Toranaga sick throughout this episode? Make sure if you think he was sick you pass that word along. Tell everyone. Spread the word all the way back to Ishido 👍

@GhostWatcher2024 Месяц назад

Toranaga playing the long game...to the hilt...of the blade Hiromatsu did himself with.

@tavarisp452 Месяц назад

When Omi said that the son died in service of his lord the camera pans to Hiromatsu. I think at that point he realized he knew what Toranaga needed even though it was unspoken

@SpyCatsMusic 29 дней назад

"- She is the Queen in this chess match, right?", best comment I've read about Mariko

@simonfrederiksen104 Месяц назад

Such a thrill to watch acting of that caliber

@Sir_Alex Месяц назад

Great acting in this episode ( and trough the entire show TBH ) all the sequence of the seppuku is amazing acting.

@SGz_Eliminated 25 дней назад

"Don't give up on our lord, even when it 'appears' he has given up on himself" The dialogue in this show is brilliant, Hiromatsu was fully aware Toranaga had a plan and that his sacrifice was his role to play. He tells Bantaro as much clear as day but most don't pick up on that till after Toranaga confirms it.

@Domeo_Divine Месяц назад

I mean this guy gets drunk and shoots arrows at Marikos face and expects some hot tea to make her forgive and forget? “Lol, boy gtf out my face, and take all this heartbreak with you” 💪🏾😈

@stephanthomas4410 Месяц назад

I think the tea ritual was more of a transition, that he now wants to grant her “her” wish after death. What Buntaro didn't understand was that Mariko never loved him and that she just wanted to get away from him, which his pride wouldn't allow. Buntaro is, as Mariko said before, a strong and admired warrior, but not a good husband. That doesn't make his behavior any better, but he first had to hear that his wife really has no feelings for him at all and then he had to second his father.

@xfireflarex Месяц назад

@@stephanthomas4410 I don't believe Hirokatsu started off as a bad husband. From his account, he and Mariko were happy in the beginning. So, Mariko's father and entire family dying most likely changed everything. She wanted justice and/or to follow her family in death but was bound by duty to her husband to live and everyone else considered "justice served" because Mariko's father was the aggressor. Buntaro, being a warrior, ignores trauma and tries to continue on. I speculate that he tried to convince Mariko to do the same. "It'll be okay. We'll go back to the way it was" kind of mentality. I think Mariko grew to resent Hirokatsu because of her duty to him, basically living in a cultural prison and he grew to resent her because she would not go back to the way she used to be. That being said, I do agree that Mariko never loved Hirokatsu but accepted it as a compromise to her environment.

@stephanthomas4410 Месяц назад

@@xfireflarex I don't believe that either. However, Mariko also replied that she can't remember the supposedly good times of their marriage. Nevertheless, the character of Buntaro is extremely fascinating. He is fiercely loyal to his father and above all to his feudal lord, he is without doubt an outstanding warrior and he undoubtedly loves Mariko. But their marriage has always been a marriage of convenience. Mariko made this clear when she told the Anjin that she doesn't even give her hatred to Buntaro. That was cold as ice.

@GhostWatcher2024 Месяц назад

Lol... "chai tea"... Thats like "tortilla bread", or "beef meat".. Chai IS tea... typical of us Americans to use a foreign translation as a TYPE of the same word. he said "cha" or "ocha"... which is Japanese for "tea".

@LaCheeserie Месяц назад

Thank you for addressing this lol

@stephanthomas4410 Месяц назад

But I don't think that's “typically” American. Here in Germany, the name Thee has become established, later Tee and in many Western European languages in a similar form, derived from the Southern Chinese pronunciation of the character 茶. Chai is not as common and is therefore sometimes used twice.

@lemonherb1 22 дня назад

I have no idea if Japan rains as much as the show portrays, but it was shot in Vancouver which is well known for it's rainy seasons

@deithlan Месяц назад

This episode, that scene, it’s crazy

@owbeer Месяц назад

and it only gets better

@ilidiocarmona4827 Месяц назад

the old man messed up when he told the other lords that Toranaga planed to fight so to sell the deception the old man sacrificed himself.

@stephanthomas4410 Месяц назад

Great reaction you two, to a great show.Although the character Johann Vinck (historical model: Jan Joosten) has been omitted in this adaptation, the show wants to focus more on Japan at that time, which is also interesting. Sometimes John Blackthorne (historical model: William Adams) becomes a marginal figure, but that's artistic license. Greetings from Germany

@williambranch4283 Месяц назад

Toranaga has many tricks up his kimono ;-)

@vickiekezele8520 29 дней назад

Next episode blew my mind.

@tonybankse Месяц назад

12:39 well…to be fair…he did hit her..several times so i cant really blame her

@thePouncingPurplePanther Месяц назад

Agreed. But she has mentally abused him for years and I think he has always loved/desired her.

@ichwanbedwiner Месяц назад

@@thePouncingPurplePanther this.

@xfireflarex Месяц назад

@@ichwanbedwiner I wrote this above in a different comment but she never loved him but accepted it as a compromise because of her culture. Sure, he loved her but you can't force someone to love you especially if they married you because they were forced to. Mariko's whole family was killed because her father tried to save the country and everyone accepted it like justice was served. She wanted to die with them but was bound by duty to live. My takeaway: can you imagine your whole family dying and the person you're legally bound to tells you, "I'm not going to let you do what you really want. Just accept their deaths and be a good spouse to me?" If someone killed my whole family and my wife said to me, "The killer's going to walk away scot-free but I need you to stay in the house and be a good husband," I would probably lose my shit.

@LunaticReason Месяц назад

Cha is Chinse for Tea. In Japanese its Ocha but you also see the Cha suffix in words like Ryokucha(Green tea) Kocha(Black tea) Matcha. (Powdered green tea). Chai is the indian word tea and the Chinese probably share the same roots for the word as geographically they are close and done a lot of trading back in the day.

@MiaH56 Месяц назад

The show filmed in Canada, not in Japan! It’s not rain all year here. Please come 😊

@eedve Месяц назад

How it is not, just checked today rain all over again...

@MiaH56 Месяц назад

@@eedve Typhoon is approaching😅

@GhostWatcher2024 Месяц назад

Yes... she is the queen in this chess match... but the best chest masters know...

@rawrcofcof4814 Месяц назад

Look up the word "intense" in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of that scene!😭

@Christian-el2bz Месяц назад

Snow is absolutely better than rain! Team SNOW! ✊

@aworkinprogress4387 Месяц назад

I don't like Buntaro, but I genuinely felt bad for him in this episode. It was all very rough for him. If you think this episode is good, wait for the next one. It's incredible.

@martinbraun1211 Месяц назад

🖖

@khughes1997 Месяц назад

Rain > snow

@goldencutz2957 Месяц назад

Next episode is sooooo bruuuutal, cant wait to se your reaction, your in for a mind fuck !!!

@goyasolidar Месяц назад

It's pronounced 'eh-do' not 'ee-dow'.

@kirillsarioglo7822 Месяц назад

If you are interested in "Eastern" TV-shows i strongly recommend you to watch (even if not for reaction, just for pleasure) TV show "Jumong". For me it is one of top-3 of my favorite TV-shows of 21st century.