Shooting the Lorenz 1854 infantry rifle 

Until I started watching and listening to capandball, I had not realized the Hungarians are serious about accurate shooting. We could use a little more of that attitude in the USA!

Cap and ball, you are the best! Thank you for this great video. Not only history but a dedication to the science of shooting these weapons. Makes me sniff a bit because I miss my Lorenz. I had a Lorenz dated 1857 or was it 1858 with the "rear rank" sights. It may not have been a civil war veteran, but it had four notches on the cheek piece. Barrel had been bored out and I had a .54 caliber rifled sleeve put in it. I never got to fire it though, I was always a bit leery of perhaps damaging the stock which had a recoil crack but I did fire blanks. I preferred the "feel" of the Lorenz over the Springfield and Enfield. I have read it tended to collect "hard fouling" but i don't know what that means in terms of design. Maybe that slightly larger diameter rear portion of the ball was the cause. Ammunition for the Lorenz in the South was made both for it and the Mississippi rifle so I suspect it may not have been optimum. If they came out with a repro, that is one I would have to have.

More & more I'm growing to love your channel. It was shooting the armour that really sold me. Please keep up the excellent work on your future videos. Thank-you, Dante.

These are such cool muskets. Always wanted one back during my re-enacting days.

Thank you for taking the time to properly document this fine rifle. You have provided the details required to have a good starting knowledge of these firearms, what to look for and if so inclined to shoot it. This video is worth downloading and having for reference material. Great work!

Thank you for another great video. I love to see originals being used and not collecting dust in a safe.

Good video. I like the multiple scenes of you shooting the Lorenz, good video-manship! Very informative. I'm surprised to see a 1854 rifle survive this long to be called "95% okay" (the barrel). They built that rifle to last.

Great summary of the Lorenz. Are you going to keep working at perfecting the compression bullet? The difference in calibre really makes quite a difference in the velocity from the .577. Very well presented. Cheers.

I love capandball!!! :D I have read about the Lorenz musket being used by American Civil War troops in the various autobiographies I've read. Very cool, thanks for making this video!!

I very much appreciate your videos

Another wonderful video and shooting piece! I love how you seem to recreate the correct ammunition for your guns. Like your hat by the way!

Sir, there is a rumor that Pederoli would be introducing a Lorenz before the end of 2016. Have you heard any news regarding this? A great video, by the way. Very informative and very well produced.

Wow, this is such a excellent video on the rifle, beautifully made and very informative.

As Always capandball interesting and very watchable. Thanks

So happy you made a video with the Lorenz! My Lorenz is in poor enough condition that I am unable to fire it. I'd love to own a reproduction- I will have to send an email like you said!

The Iron Brigade approves.

Nice video. filled with great historic and technical content. I'd like to see more about weapons of the Hapsburg Empire.

Cap and Ball in my opinion this is the "finest" video you have done, I Love ALL of your videos I'm a proud owner of an original 1854 Lorenz myself (lock plate date of 860) and I was blown away by this video, I wished I had some of those compression bullets to fire in my original Lorenz I can not find them here in the states, I make a copy of the E.A. Ludlow Birmingham lubed paper cartridge loaded with a Wilkerson bullet and it is very accurate at 100 yards Thank You !!

Another great video. I just love these old firearms. The history is amazing. Thank you for another high quality video. Now if I could get you here to help me. Ki know I would learn volumes.

Fantastic video :)

I am just reading about Prussian-Austrian war of 1866. and was interested in comparation of Prussian Dreyse and Austrian Lorenz. Reading the literature about battles of that war I could see that in many of them Austrian losses were up to 4 times bigger than Prussian, and we are talking about engagements of individual corps and the decisive battle of Koniggratz, i.e. engagements where Prussians had no overall superiority in numbers. It seems, despite Austrian experience and veterancy from wars in Italy, superior Prussian rifle steadily through attrition thinned their ranks. Am I right?

Excellent video, thanks!

I still am loyal to the Pattern 1853 Enfield. I need to get my hands on a original. The Lorenz bullet design was pretty interesting. I like how they put thought into compression.

un grand bonjour de la FRANCE. merci pour tous ces bon moments passés a vous regarder

Well presented and very interesting.

Very well researched!!

Excellent! Just excellent!

The rapid advance tactics of the French were forgotten by the British in WWI by going at the walk during most of their battles.The French who invented the tactic called it "Attaque a outrance"which is basically an outright infantry attack into strong German positions which is also festered with machineguns which is bad along with accurate rifle fire.The Americans did not do too bad when they finally found out what the French and the British were doing and how the Germans fought.Americans were using American Civil War,Spanish American War and improved Philippine Insurrection style skirmish line infantry tactics where platoons and squads deployed to fire and maneuver.The Germans perfected it with their "Stosstruppen"which has been the basis of modern infantry attack methods.Since WWII this has been common practice of infantry all over the world.

Superb and professional assessment of the Lorenz system. We have in our collection an unissued M/61 Versuchsmodell (prototype) with finger rest, type II rear sight and manufactured by Mathias Sedderl . Lock plate dated 862. Also have the 13.7 mm Kompressionsgeshoss, bayonet and white 1854-62 sling. We intend making a range and handling comparison with a Dreyse M/41, chambering a copy of the M/55 Patrone, also with bayonet fixed and sling. We hope to conduct the project sometime next year on RU-vid (English weather permitting).Guy and Leonard A-R-West

Thank you for this great video, I shoot flintlock and I thing I notice the longer I shoot and the hotter the barrel my groups improve. Did you notice this with your rifle musket.

Great video, great info on the compression bullet. I shoot paper patch bullets in my Sharps and I would think muzzle loading a paper patched bullet could be difficult. This could be the reason that other systems used a smooth sided paper patched bullet. I have not been able to duplicate the accuracy of grease groove bullets with paper patched bullets in my Sharps, I'll keep working on it. It sure is fun.

Hoy este rifle (original) es usado en competencias internacionales ganando por lejos a rifles más modernos. Fue el mejor rifle de percusión de la infanteria linea del siglo XIX

The bullet design is fabulous! I would rather have the long range version of this gorgeous musket.

I enjoyed your demo, I was interested as have just received an email from Pedersoli shewing there new Lorenz rifle, will be most interested to see how that rifle performs and what sort of bullet they come up with. Well done

If you use a lay a damp cloth on the table and roll the bullet and patch on that, the paper will not stick down to the smooth wood table top.

amazing video!!!!!

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Question here. The French had some very big caliber rifles at the time. Mostly rifled from the earlier muskets such as the 1822T Bis or the 1842T, 1850T and there caliber is 17.8mm. The Austrians in the other hand had a much more advanced weapon with a caliber of 13.9. Not only the Austrians had faster muzzle velocity, they also had a flatter trajectory. How could the French overcome this great disadvantage? Or is it great? Another question here. In most rifle-muskets, what is the discrepancy between the bullet diameter and the land diameter?

Those are good rifles,they were used by Union & Confederate forces in the American Civil War.But,they've always been very underrated compared to the Springfield & Enfield rifles.

I know for certain the Lorenz rifle overall was the third most widely used rifle in the American Civil War, the Springfield and Enfield were the more numerous and popular. I know the Lorenz saw extensive use by Confederate forces in the western theatre and some use by Union forces in the east but once the new Springfields became available they were quickly rotated out. Cool musket though, looks more accurate than an Enfield.

Hola,buenos dias. Me ha gustado mucho el video y el arma es preciosa. Sigue a sí. Un saludo desde España

your hunting a love of animals, here people unsuited in guns hit the land, my third year shot at this year, I'm made fun of my guns hit their mark, cold clean bore, hit ground hog in neck 300 yds ,454 cassual, pistol 2 power Leopold scope. .it's sad the wound s that happen and not a site or glance for a check to see. God bless your show!

Congratulations from Colorado usa for your taking 1st in your competition. That is very cool.i saw,and now want the reproduction rifle and Carbine version for sale at military heritage inc.for 549.00+69.00 for shipping.the flash hole(vent),has to be drilled before firing.is that an easy task?thank you sir for all your videos.you really know your stuff on every gun you've shown.

I like the weight on the rifle for when I'm marching in a parade sadly haven't had a chance to fire one due to safety issue on some of the reproductions

Nice vid, as always. There just one thing I don't quite get. Wouldn't it be better to size the bullet before you paper-patch it?

It's a good thing we have Pedersoli making good profit producing fine reproductions for us. Pedersoli seems to make every possible make and model but one-the Martini-Henry. Unfortunately, I do not know of any maker who has offered a copy of this iconic firearm..

I would love to see an exact diagram of your bullet.That way I could have Lee make a mold for it.

***** I hope U plan on demonstrating that percussion pistol we saw here as well.

I do have one

Excellent video; what is the little stud at the base of the bullet, is it zinc, what is its purpose?

In the future also will test the Steyr Mannllicher m95 in 8x50mm?

how could the muzzle speed be measured accurately in the mid 19th century? what kind of chronographs did they use to measure the travel time of the bullet?

Hi , many compliment for your amazing video.Have u information about the M62 Podewils bullet?Have the Extrakorpgewehr and Infanteriegewehr II like your.Where is the regiment or batallion number on the Extrakorpgewehr?Thanks a lot

Capnball, your videos are always excellent, and this one is no different. I have a question on the pronunciation of the musket's name. In the US we tend to pronounce it as "Lor-renz" with the accent on the "renz." In the video you pronounce it as "Lawrence" with the accent on the "Law." Are we pronouncing the name incorrectly? Thanks! BTW, I have a nice original Lorenz but I have never fired it. I'm looking forward to buying one of the new Pedersoli reproductions. I hope you will do a side-by-side comparison with the original when you get your hands on one.

wil be interested to know how french rifle and austrian rifle perform in Magenta and Solferino

Thank you for your show. Have you ever compared Lorenz 1854 vs. "needle" gun? What was the main advantage of Prussian tactic in the 1866 campaign?

I admit I watch this for the guns, but his voice and accent are a close second, should be a voice actor or narrator for TV.

I’m surprised that you patch and lube before sizing, why doesn’t the paper get peeled off?

What goes with the bullet? It looks a lot like grease

A few clicks up and a few clicks right :-)

When you paper patch the bullets do you use 100 % cotton or 25% ?

Fortresses of the Quadrilateral, whatever happened to those?

I now see this whole video is a ruse to get Pedersoli to make you a replica! Just kidding. great information as always.

What grade of steel is the pedersoli Lorenz is made from?

How long is a pace though ?

So would it be safe to say that if loading from a paper cartridge, the portion of the cartridge wrapping around the bullet would act as a patch? This is the same logic behind the cartridges for the 1853 Enfield if I am not mistaken. As far as reproductions go, www.therifleshoppe.com offers parts kits for the M1854 Lorenz. Everything but the barrel.

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do you have a le enfield

Hi i wanted to know what you think of the indian made lorenz repro muskets i bought one 2 years ago and it works perfectly fine there are so many people on the internet who say that are dangerous that they have barrels thiner than a shotgun barrel and that the barrels burst i can say its false from i what see there was one musket that exploded at gettysburg but a test of the metal proved it was human error not the metal barrel a lot of reenactors like to put double to triple the powder charge to make a louder sound but any body with any background in guns or people with common sense know that is stupidity as far as the barrels being thiner than a shotgun thats false also as my lorenz has a thick barrel the same thickness as my navy arms musket and my dixie musket and i never had any problems with but i wanted to know your opinion of the indian made lorenz :Rich

What's name rifle on 2:00?

do they made a carabine repro of the lorenz? as a Jäger I can't finde a repro close to a Stützen for reenacting

I couldn't understand what he said at @4:50... "Melt a mixture of beeswax and _[tannel?]_ and dip the bullet... What is the second ingredient in his lube?

4:46 Beeswax and what? Can't quite hear it.

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I wonder if these rifle were used against my Serbian ancestors.

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Best muzzleloading military rifle of the mid 19th century? You have to be kidding! The quality was inconsistent. Accuracy with the solid bullets it was designed to use was terrible while rifles such as the Springfield and Enfield were using Mini balls that expanded to grip the rifling. Soldiers on both sides in the American Civil War would dump the Lorenz at the first opportunity and trade it for just about anything else. The Austrian arsenal rifles were of much better quality but Lorenz rifles were produced privately in great numbers where quality suffered. The best rifle of the American Civil War was either the Spencer, the Sharps or maybe the Henry. The Lorenz was obsolete by then but used because it was better than a spear. As far as muzzleloaders go, the Enfield and Springfield 1861 were far better weapons.

Why a Russian making this video why