Please support us at: / capandball In this part I present you the historical background and the most important technical parameters of the M 1867/77 Wernld rifle and cartridges. Magyar szöveg: www.kapszli.hu/hu/news/242
My Great Grandfather was a Jager in the Bohemian Army and when he was deployed to Bosnia-Herzegovina This would have been the rifle he was issued. Thanks for a very informative and well done video.
As an American I was exposed to Military Arms history in the context of the US. In particular the US Civil War. The only arms manufacturers from Europe being Whitworth, LaMat, and a scattering of others. I love the wealth of information found on this channel. Huge respect and gratitude to you sir! Please keep it up.
Interesting is an understatement. I love the action design of this rifle. Mr. Werndl must have been a genius on the order of John Browning, John C. Garand, Peter Mauser and Ole Herman Krag.
Good day, Capandball. Thank you for your video. I have the Werndl and enjoy shooting it (and its successor, the Mannlicher in the same calibre). I recall reading, some time back, that the original cartridge for the Werndl was the brass foil-wrapped design similar to the familiar British Snider and Martini-Henry. Later changed to drawn brass. Unfortunately I did not make a note of the source. Would you have any information on a foil-wrapped cartridge? And, if there was one, whether the change to drawn brass occurred with the migration to the Mannlicher or earlier? Thank you for your time, Peter.
I found a reference to a early Gasser revolver that shot an 11mm round intially developed for the Werndl carbine. It was a large revolver, but did NOT have a detachable shoulder stock. If you can find one, perhaps you could do a video on this interesting weapon and manufacturer?
This rifle was used in WWI. I believe it was in service for Austria-Hungary armies. It was an Empire at that time period. The Empire dissolved and fell apart after that war.
I just acquired one that was made in 1870. It was put away and forgotten about for over 50 years. How do you get the drum lock out of the receiver? It needs a good cleaning.
This is a great video! I just bought a WERNDL JAEGER RIFLE 11x42mm out of respect to my wife who is Hungarian, I am looking for new or old/original ammo for my new rifle, can you help? Also is it worth refinishing this rifle or will that reduce the collectable value? Thanks again for your video and help!
Great job of getting the history of the rifle and some of your Hungary out to the viewer! It looks to be a well made rifle and I can only wish we would be able to i,port such a weapon. As usual, our government is trying to 'take care of us' and are doing a poor job of letting our freedoms stand. Thanks for your video!
During the war against the Danish the Habsburgs must have seen the Prussians using their Dreyse Needle rifles. They should have known its superiority against their Lorenz rifles
Looks a bit like the french "Tabatière" rifle , in 1866 cartige converted Minié Rifles in same time the launch from the 1866 Chassepot Rifles who fire combustible paper cartiges (breach load)
Could you also do a video like this on the Peabody Rifle? It was made by Providence Tool, USA but like the Remington Rolling Block, most contract sales were from countries outside the USA.
When are you going to post part two on the Werndl? Just as a comment,you have the most interesting weapons posts on RU-vid!! And you actually have the most relaxing manner for the viewer!
Thanks Milton, I already made some experiments with the cartridge, but I could not reproduce the original ballistics and accuracy according to the manuals. So this project will take some more time...
Thank you for showing your video I like it that is a cool rifle I have never seen a rifle like that I used to think the Sharps rifle was a pretty good rifle until now now it's just a toss-up which is better than Twitter or yours again thanks for showing that video
Great video on a very interesting rifle! I've already watched the teaser dozend times and now I can't wait to see part 2. Wonder if you hit anything beside the metallic silhouette- how is the precision of the rifle? 10 years earlier the gun could have changed the Austrian history or at least proof its quality. So it "only" protected a 40-year period of peace.
The breech of rifle designed czech designer Karel Holub , but Josef Werndl later bought out all the rights, and the weapon was carrying only his name. The original name was Werndl-Holub´sches Hinterladungs-Gewehr.
1:40 .:Actually,the ,,Zündnadelgewehr´´ was capable of more,than 12/13 rounds per minute..But in Battle,the reloading is slower at anytime,especially,because the soldiers fought in solid formations,so 12 rounds are realistic..Can you also speak german,or does the pronounciation of the german names just sound,as you could? ;)
Hi, I only read German, but can't speak unfortunately, just the very basics. :) According to the regulations there were two ways to fire the rifle: normal method with taking proper aim and "Schnellfeuer" for shooting at closed battle formations as fast as possible.
***** Am i right,that there were also different types of ammunition,so the Copper cartridges,where the cases were thrown out after pulling back the bolt, and one,which used paper carttridges? ..I'm quite sure,that this was one of the first rifles,which used ,,modernized´´ cartridge cases..
You say the Dreyse was capable of 12 RPM, but in your own later video on Koniggratz, you demo a rate of fire of 4RPM; 12 RPM seems excessive, would you care to comment. My question is posed in a genuine spirit of enquiry, I am a great fan of your site and your excellent coverage of my favourite period in history, 1866.
Hi, there were different firing modes for the prussian infantry. The one you see in the Königgrätz video is the general shooting speed. An important part of the tactics was the change to Schnellfeuer, the fastest loading and shooting method possible. This was used when the Austrians approached the skirmish line within 150 paces. At this time all the support and reserve rushed into the skirmish line, and immediately started firing at the enemy with the greatest speed, reducing the time allocated to aiming to the minimum.
Also the rifle I use in the video is an unaltered M1841. The M62 version were a bit more advanced fitted with a rubber seal by Beck. According to the original documents this did speed up the loading. I still have to verify it later. I am planning to make a comparison of the Dreyse and the Chassepot by the time of the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71
Dear Sir, please ask more questions. That's what why we are all here for. :) The 1866 campaign is a key part of my PhD research as well. I am researching the participation of Hungarian units in the fighting at Trautenau. Regarding your question: I have not found any reliable source supporting the rearmament of the 1st LCD. In fact I strongly believe that such thing would be impossible in the k. k. army. Rearming a complete cavalry division is not just changing the arms but also establishing a logistic background for the supply of ammo, firearms part, repair services, etc... A complete cav. division is 6 cav. regiments in 3 brigades... that's a huge number of soldiers. The "division" was used for 2 different units in the k.k. army. It was used for the large combined arms groups mentioned before and for pairs of companies or cavalry squadrons as well. These pairs were the basic tactical units of the army by those days. I can imagine that one "company pair" division could be armed with experimental weapons. It was a common way to field test new arms, but I cannot imagine rearming a combined army unit. I will try to get some info where this myth comes from.
I think he is confused, either he's got the wrong war and mixed up Lichtenstein (who used his personal fortune to modernise the Theresien artillery in the SYW) or - more likely - mistook the ECG which was issued preferentially to 1st Div (Edelsheim) as opposed to the limited introduction in 2nd Div (Thurn). Trautenau, a fascinating battle, have you met Vlasimil Grof yet, regional archeologist, 1866 expert and curator of the Johannesburg Chapel museum ? What you are to small arms, he is to KK artillery and rockets, really interesting chap.
1000 meters is quite an optimistic range even in today's modern smokeless powder, with an average shooter, they must have been visiting those opium dens very frequently when they dreamed up that.
isellcatlitter it isn't actually. at those ranges, the goal was to keep the bullet lethal, instead of providing accurate shots. they were using the rifles like bows and arrows, for spraying bullets over the enemy at long ranges. and the cartridges rifles used were pretty suitable for that. they could reach even farther than 1000 metres.
