Short Test Drive with New Simulator Concept ... 

hey, do yo play wrc 9? would like to see some clips of that. Love all your videos by the way.

WRC 9 has no Motion Support ... No Motion = No Buy

@@MatthiasFulczyk as you should, not worth it at all then

Any chance to get more videos of this rig?

Für das handwerkliche Geschick musst Du den Hut vor den Kollegen hier ziehen: ru-vid.com/show-UCx9xRhPcrKQuINPn5nqnfDwfeatured

@@MatthiasFulczyk Das mache ich 😊👍. Danke für den Link 😃😊👍

what motors are that?

ru-vid.com/show-UCx9xRhPcrKQuINPn5nqnfDw

If it should not be loud I would rather take a seatmover like the Next Level Racin V3. To reduce the SFX100 so far that it is not loud makes the whole system pretty pointless.

@@MatthiasFulczyk thanx!

@@kezman82a get four pieces of the rubber gym flooring and put the rig on that.. they come in 1m x 1m squares.

@@legendarymark112 you think that coins keep the neighbors happy enough? Thanx for the tip!

Everyone has their own philosophy on how it "feels right". Have you ever driven a Seatmover?

@@MatthiasFulczyk if you don't want to take my advice than don't. I have been in a full motion simulator in theme parks, but apart from that no. So I suppose I should shut up right, because you dislike my opinion? As that is the usual trend with such responses. Been there and done that for a decade in WMD, so it won't bother me. Eventually I will do it better myself, for myself and maybe others if I feel like it. Just like the pCARS2 ffb tweaker I made. From what I see you seem to forget that you need to simulate the car movement and not the g-force directions. If you move forward under braking it will just end up giving the wrong impulses to the brain, although the brain can and will adjust and maybe you have already adjusted to your own setup. So I am not surprised it feels right for you, but throw an experienced race driver in there and he will tell you otherwise.

@@LogiForce86 I have no problem with other opinions. That's why I also wrote that everyone has his own philosophy about it. The difference to the many others who think how it should be "right" is that I myself have raced for 15 years and therefore have a good body feeling how it should feel "for me" right. In addition, there are also many concepts on the market that look spectacular, but the driving experience is absolute garbage but many think that see so it must be. Like, for example, this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mrSEhzwGohU.html

​@@MatthiasFulczyk I will let Niels Heusinkveld explain it to you: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ttCXkfjnvvc.html There isn't any philopshy about it, because your body is NOT under different laws of physics because it is in your motion rig as compared to your real car. Thus while continues motion is possible from a fixed position, to generate the same movements to feel the same peak forces as you would in a real car. Which you can further enhance with telemetry based tensioning seatbelts and maybe a SimXperience GS5 G-Seat device to feel that ongoing pressure on the body. The motions and physics are the same, you're that same sack of potatoes that you just need to throw around in the same way. The best way is to build a rig to the average wheel base dimensions of a car, so that when you add the pitch and yaw of the car it will be pitching more around the center of your head. Otherwise the rear actuators aren't able to move you around correction and the only thing they technically would be good for is to give you a sense of flight or depression of the car over humps or dips. That's my 2 cents from 35 years of being driven and driving in a car, plus having been busy seriously with sim racing since about 2008. I went into tactile feedback using DSPs and delays to simulate the size of a real car, before even Simvibe was a thing. Having reworked the force feedback in Project CARS 2 to suit my needs and those for Formula drivers as well (and work together with them). Yet, I am just simple old me who never raced apart from doing heats on rental kart tracks, and driving my real cars on the streets to the limit to find out what the limit feels like. So even if I don't have professional experience, I will be arrogant enough to say that I at least am capable of having enough insight and imaginary capability to mentally visualize all the forces at play. Anyway, I'll leave you to the video of Niels Heusinkveld that I linked at the start. He has more community credits than little old me, and maybe you are more inclined to listen to him instead. For me there is no philosophy about it, the same as there is no philosophy about Force Feedback. Nor is there a philosophy about tactile feedback. You just need to look at all the things involved. Force feedback is simple, you only need to send out the pinion movement of the steering rack which you can at higher speed/tick rate fully calculate on a physics level in the game. All the other fluff is only needed because people want to feel other things through a device that isn't made for it. Like seat of pants (motion) or curbstones and road noise (tactile). Tactile is also simple but can be more complicated as it depends on the materials you made your rig of. Basic tactile is 4 vertically moving heavy actuators on 4 corners that move according to the suspension movement. You basically wish to simulate the hammering the strut towers of your car take. The difficulty lies in the fact that different materials and material thicknesses travel vibrations faster or slower than others, some might even dampen the vibrations more than others. So what I did was used a Behringer amp with DSP that has a delay function to simulate the travelling time/speed of these vibrations as compared to the real car and your seating position therein. So if you set Simvibe to suspension movement aka Chassis Mode, it will fire instantly as the suspension is impacted. If you delay that you can simulate that your tactile transducers are farther away from you. So if you bolt an actuator on all 4 corners you can virtually distance them to be at the same distance as the strut towers would be to your driving position. If you do that your brain gives you a better mental image of size of the vehicle you're driving, which also as a result adds to the depth perception from my experience. Motion as you know is hard to achieve, as motion is basically slow tactile feedback. Whilst tactile transducers reproduce the higher frequency feedback. So motion should only be used to mimic the change in direction of the car and as explained depending on the size of the rig (i.e. determining the center around which you move the rig) the pitch, roll and yaw of a car. Where the motion simulator might look weird that you posted, but if you go onto a slow 15 degree embankment, like on modern Zandvoort for example at the hair pin, you will desire that tilt to give you a sense of lean or "camber of the road". Same with if you'd do a steep hillclimb or descent. So in that sense the continued sense of angle of a car will most likely add again a little to the immersion. The biggest problem is always getting all of these systems to run in perfect harmony, and since no game is the same in their output it is often a headache. Besides, I like to just quickly get in and out of games for a quick drive myself these days. So having to boot up and configure dozens of programs takes the fun out of the sport shall we say. Finally I do want to say that you do an awesome job with this motion system. Sadly I don't have a 3D printer, so I won't be able to have a go at it myself. Even if I did the space and money is too tight for it at the moment anyway. It's still bucket list stuff though, but I rather go for a DD2 at this point in time to replace the old CSW v2. Keep on doing what you do though, as I know a lot of people are happy with the system and everyone can configure it how they like.

@@LogiForce86 But he didn't build the rig at all ... It was me :-)