@@URProductions What is this reply for? read my comment. @scottbourke4428 2 weeks ago Its a 38 police special... the length of the barrel has nothing to do with the size of the round!
I love how the sgt narrator cop keeps brandishing his huge revolver. He refers to it as "a .38", but if it is, that's the biggest damn .38 I've ever seen.
@@chubbycatfish4573 They did use M1 Carbines prior to the AR-15. Jim Cirillo mentioned it in his books. Specifically with semi jacketed soft tip rounds. The shotshells of today are much more controlled than prior. Shotguns are always a great tool at close range and why they have always been the standard long gun of police. Rifles have filled a niche the same way semi autos replaced revolvers. Police are dealing with ever changing threats and adapt to respond to both danger and the environment they operate in. I have always said a shotgun is often the best tool on patrol but when you need a rifle there is no substitute.
@@thomass4471 criminals rarely use automatic weapons. that's Hollywood bullshit. they romanticized few criminals back in like the 30s, the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, and the 90s
@@Neomalthusiano What's the logic behind this statement, if the slug hits it's intended target it's very unlikely to have enough energy to be seriously lethal after it's left the target. This is because lead slugs flatten very quickly and lose their already low speed quickly enough to not cause an overpenetration risk, now if it was a copper or brass slug that's a different story.
@@1810jeff as I understand, it's quite the opposite: slugs are almost sure to over penetrate a human body unless they are made of special soft lead. What you stated as an exception is actually the rule (even more since hard lead was more common at the time). By the way, the idea of the police carrying shotguns back in the day was exactly as a tool to hit barricaded criminals, suspects inside cars and eventually, according to the area, a wild rogue animal; all with the advantage of a long gun over a revolver. But then again, even if you dismiss my reply as misleading or inaccurate, you still need to hit the target and in a real life situation with bystanders on the arch of fire, like in this case, that's not trivial.
For everybody mentioning slings - In that era, there were no commonly available sling-mounting hardware kits for pump shotguns. The Uncle Mike's kit that requires drilling & tapping a hole in the magazine cap didn't come out til a few years later, there were no barrel band mounts, and no single-point mounts of the type that sandwich between the stock and the receiver. Plus, most shotguns were not privately owned by the officers but "fleet" weapons issued by the agency, and the agencies were NOT gonna spend $$ on slings, mounts and training. Yes, slings require training. Walking around with a slung long gun is one thing; engaging in ground combatives with a slung long gun is something quite different. As to the buttstroke comment, having worked in IA, I can tell you that would be the beginning of a career-ending nightmare. One, the rubber pad on most patrol shotguns would have lessened the impact to the point of ineffectiveness, two, the public's concept of the buttstroke at that time involved the steel plate on a nine-pound Garand and a crushed skull.
I'll admit the first thing I thought of when seeing the melee scuffle was that the shotgun officer should have used the blunt end to assist his partner. Except that friendly fire isn't just bullets, and a horizontal buttstroke (swing back end of gun horizontally at target's head) is hard to do when he's down and wrestling. And frowned upon when delivered, intentionally or not, to a brother or sister officer.
The very beginning of this film is also a great time capsule showing the early days of emergency paramedicine, and the beginnings of the modern computer aided dispatch. Far too little footage exists showing the communication systems of the police and fire departments between the late 1950s and the early 1980s. When a lot of these systems were home built by the local two-way radio shops and the municipal radio shops. As a means to an end for something that didn't exist. In the first scene where the patients are treated by the Unseen medics, you even see a Motorola biophone, later that would be made famous on the television show rescue. Fairly useless radio at the time they seem like a good idea. But it was another 15 lb of equipment you had to carry to the scene.
@@TheBigMclargehuge The newer ones sugar coat everything and are heavily dumbed down because the police force has been diluted by diversity hires and smarter cops tend to not stay as cops for very long.
That's because there's ZERO of today's bullshit in them. No forced diversity. No agenda pushing. No money grabbing or advertising. No DEI bullshit. No politics.
Apart from the fact that major metropolitan areas had Police Stations whose communications were mirroring Futurama mixed with Pony Express as late back as only 50 years, are we really just expected to believe the /sling/ was a piece of futuristic tactical wizardry no one had thought of before the early 1970s? "I need my hands free, but I have this gun. Hm. Ah well, better give up the armed and dangerous chase to secure the 12 gauge back in the patrol vehicle trunk. If only there were other options..."
I have no clue why the narrator keeps cracking me up so much but I really like him for some reason. Looks like he’s thinking about pulling an ingenious practical joke on you or something when you’re not expecting it. And the way he keeps flipping around to the camera in a corny way, or how it just randomly comes to him out of nowhere. He has a very entertaining voice too.
Slings aren't ideal because in close-quarters they can be grabbed by suspects and bystanders in altercations, throwing the officer off balance, possible loss of possession or discharge.
@@TROLLERSDELIGHT That’s 100% not true regarding modern weapon handling practices. 2-Point Slings significantly help with weapon retention and you won’t see a long gun being used by competent LE, military, or civilian practical shooter without one, CQB environment especially.
It almost makes me wonder why cops in the 1970s didn’t carry the .35 Remington pump action rifle, or a .357 lever gun which could take .38 special. It would’ve provided accurate and reliable shooting platform.
@@Andrewsky347 maybe so. But is still baffles me why cops weren’t issues rifles like the Remington Game Master or even a .30-30 If the officers responding to the North Hollywood Robbers had even pump action .35 Remington that incident would’ve ended very quickly. Plus I think those rifles would look less offensive to the public than ARs
@@eriknervik9003 I don't have any actual data, but I do think it was common for a lot of officers back in the day to have Winchester 1894s, M1 Carbines, Mini 14's, or Colt SP-1's.
In the 70s, there might not have been a shot cup, just shot on top of felt or cardboard wad on top of the powder in a paper hull. Modern buckshot patterns tighter, not just tru-flite
I believe most cops like LAPD and LASD used Ithaca Model 37s which don't require a trigger disconnect to fire, you just pump them and hold it down and the shells eject out the bottom.
"when is appropriate to use a shotgun" "when a sidearm is available, and the situation might need a shotgun." I don't think that actually answered your question, but ok.
Some of the best class of videos for entertainment. Holy cow! The description of a suspect at the beginning, and the "blow the guy away" comment later on. Fantastic.
Who's to say the cop wouldn't miss with the revolver when shooting under stress? Given the proximity of the civilians, you can still wind up with collateral damage.
this is great - lots of shots of a pasadena (and altadena) that's changed so much since. playhouse district, hastings ranch, intersection of lake and altadena.
Collateral damage is always a high priority risk. Even current day with the issue of AR rifles. Not every cop is an exceptional shot. Sometimes you just gotta let me go. That's what warrants are for.
The AR much like a pistol only has a single projectile comming out of the barrel. The danger demonstrated in this video is that of a shotgun, wihch contains various pellets that on a medium to large distances easily spread out.
lol The macrame owl hanging on the wall in the beginning distracted me. We had one exactly like it hanging on our living room wall until the late 80s. I had always assumed my mother had made it but, clearly, it was a manufactured product. Or, possibly it was sold as a pattern. No idea but we had one exactly like it for many years.
A lot of the drawbacks of shotguns described in this video are easily compensated for with modern upgrades. Need to free your hands? Attach a sling. Pellet spread too wide? Screw in a tighter choke tube or use rifled slugs. A bead sight too imprecise for longer ranges? Issue shotguns with rifle sights. Meanwhile, nearly every patrol car today has a rifle and shotguns are mostly relegated to launching less lethal munitions.
the dialogue was like a 1980's gta game. can you imagine, you go to rob a store and a cop casually shoots you with a shotgun, people talking about pellets, they didn't use pellets they weren't allowed to, it was a big ol rifled slug. terrible damage, there's no use handcuffing that guy lol
Shotguns have been seriously overmatched by moden sporting rifles. But I've been practicing with a Mossberg 590a1 for close to 20 years now. I can pump out a round of buck, ghost load a slug, and send it exactly where I want with a red dot, and i can do it out of muscle memory and do it quicker than I can explain what I'm doing with speech. I am beyond surgical with that bitch, I know exactly my shot spread at any range by eye. I also never run out of shells because I shoot two and load two with 8+1 in a full tube. It also mounts a bayonet, which I received way, way, way too much instruction and practice using effectively in the USMC I might pick a rifle depending on the situation, fighting at range is always best, but I would go up against any man and most monsters with a 590a1 and I would not feel under equipped for it. The 12g pump is a serious weapon, and if you underestimate what it can do, or what someone can do with it, it may be the last mistake you ever make.
I have seen this Before, And Thankyou! I must say...i absolutely love these old vids! For the historic values And how The Information is To this day Still Rings True. Cheers
Any Pasadena natives here? 3:29 The old PPD firing range at 2791 Eaton Canyon Dr, 91107 7:50 See's and Thrifty (then a music store in 1980s) at 3593 E Foothill Blvd, 91107 8:14 "Bowl" sign (passed it hundreds of times, working at Hammy's Hamburgers 1981-82) 8:40 Running from 963 E Colorado Blvd, 91106, over a now-absent wall ... 9:06 ... then past (HandleBars in 1980s, and Toe's Tavern 1990s) 10:27 North Lake, in Altadena 13:39 Logistics Corp at 3600 E Foothill Blvd, 91107 (became a gentlemen's club in 1990s, now a Toyota) I was raised in Upper Hastings Ranch, and worked in Lower Hastings Ranch (Hammy's and Hastings Theatre, 1981-83)
Federal Flite Control that would not have happened at that distance. Reminds me of crappy Remington Buck Shot. 10 yards away and the Remington Buck is all over the place.
Today shotguns are mostly used for less lethal. Often with a orange stock and forend with not lethal ammunition allowed. It is a devastating close range weapon no doubt. But capacity is limited recoil can be a bit much for some and its longer than a 16 inch barreled AR that can put rounds exactly where you want them and fast. Shotguns have came along way since the 1970s with better ammunition stocks and accessories and semi auto shotguns have become more reliable but they fill a small role.
The ammo has changed a lot for 12ga patrol shotguns. With my FN patrol shotgun it still holds a 6” spread at 25yds with Federal Tactical 9 pellet 00 Buck. I would rather have my shotgun vs patrol rifle if I know I’m engaging close range.
Police Story from the 1970’s was a great show. Im ashamed that I was too much of a coward to become a cop like my dad. I became an air force security police sergeant instead, but it isn’t the “real deal.”
You are not a coward. I saw too many cops striving to be supervisors so they could get off the street. Many, but not all were intellectual cowards . You did your duty & that's what counts.
I don't believe this !..."All units !! We have spotted an open door on the south side of the warehouse ! Move in ! Move in !!" "Freeze, asshole !! WTF are you doing here in the middle of the night ??" "I'm the janitor." "Ah.."
