Thank you for the video. Ricochet is no laughing matter. I was shooting at steel metal target at a gun range with my 45 Gold Cup and I had one round ricochet back to me and it hit my right leg just below the groin are and tore through my jeans and caused my leg to bleed. This is a testimony to definitely keep wearing safety eye wear.
Absolutely no denying the devastating hitting energy of the 12 gauge slug!!! I could only imagine what a rifled copper sabot slug would do?? Great video!! Subscribed!!!!👍👍
Congratulations on the video! The 12 gauge has there was a lot of difference with the 20 caliber. But the .410 caliber didn't do badly in the test. Greetings from Brazil.
Great video! Yes, those very soft Foster type slugs just transfer energy and come apart without a lot of pentration. When you shoot some Brenneke slugs at the blocks we'll see a pretty big difference in penetration.
Good call going through safety protocol on the pistols vs cinder blocks video. I took a .380 round to the throat doing the same thing at close range. Luckily I was unharmed but nonetheless, cinder blocks are in fact dangerous to shoot
Thing is, all 3 cartridges will shoot the pellets at the exact same velocity (1100-1200fps on average). Therefore, a 000 pellet from a 12 gauge isn't anymore powerful than one from a .410. The only difference as I'm sure you're aware, is the number of pellets. At close range you would probably see a difference, but with each pellet only weighing about 70 grains and going much slower than a slug, they wouldn't do much at all on an individual basis. I had trouble breaking through with the 90gr copper plated .380, so a lighter softer pellet not going much faster will just splat against the block. In unisom however... I will consider making the video once I can attain 000 buck for all 3.
@@BuckeyeBallistics I'm reloading three of 000 in 410, getting about 1700 feet per second. Loaded them for my wife for home defense in an 18" barrel. It has the muzzle energy of almost 4 rounds of 9mm per shot.
CMU's are malde with low strength 1800 PSI concrete mix. Fill the cavities with sand or 4000 PSI concrete and you'll have a barrier good up to 50 BMG. Cool vid for sure .
Never under any circumstance ever shoot steel that close with a divot of any kind in your steel !!! That lead can hit that divot and throw chunks of lead right back at you!!! I been shootin steel for over 20 yrs now and believe me it can happen. As long as it’s flat with no edge you’re fine….
Thanks for the video. If I had the money, I would send you Brenekke slugs for all three to test. They are much better at penetration than foster slugs, which usually just break up on impact. But alas, I do not have the cash.
I'm trying to figure out what my options are for 12 guage, rifled slugs for bear defense. The soft, hollow point slugs are not the answer. Brenneke slugs seem expensive which is fine if you dont want to practice with them but not so much if you'd like to poke some holes in paper from time to time.
I've never done it myself, but my Grandfather used to take Deer 🦌 on occasion with the 20 gages shotgun. He said, "if you hit 'em right, they drop in their tracks!" But most still use the 12 gauge for anything bigger then a rabbit!!!
One of my former coworkers uses nothing but 20 gauge slugs for deer. Has a tree stand on his property 50 yards or so from the state park. Gets 3-4 each year. One for Hunters for the Homeless and the others are his.
Thanks for your video and test results. I'd be interested to see different 12 gauge slugs in the same test (different weights, different speeds). I'd be interested in specifically the Federal Truball (1600fps) vs Federal Truball Deep Penetrator (1350fps but also copper plated) as well as slugs from minishells. And if you have the means, perhaps some wax shells made from birdshot shells. Thanks again!
For such a long intro, you didn't say how far you were shooting. I'm guessing the blocks were 685.7 yards away, uphill with a steady 55 MPH wind from the left, gusts to 103 MPH. With muzzle velocities of 1600 FPS (almost 25,000 metric inches) I calculate the projectile flight time of approxomately 6 minutes and 48 seconds, give or take. Good shooting.
You are not the only one that shoots targets and does not give the range. I did notice when you shot the steel targets you gave the range. My thought is those slugs are going to have a different impact on the cement blocks at close range vs at a longer distance. My comment was not meant to upset you. I was just curious, as I just bought a 12 ga slug gun and have not been able to get out and put rounds down range yet.
Hard to tell. Because at longer ranges while they will be moving considerably slower and thus have less energy, at the same time the lead slug will hold together better which would aid in penetration. So, I'd say out to a certain point, the slug staying together better would make up for the lower velocity some and thus potentially give similar results at those further ranges. This is all speculation of course, only one way to find out. I don't bother ranging close shots like this, but it was probably right at about 10 yards. I stated the distance of the steel target because I actually knew the distance of that one...
@@BuckeyeBallistics…. I gotta agree with mrkevin02flip, people neglect to mention the distance. The camera used makes it look farther away than you said it is here.
On your video where you were wearing the helmet I saw a piece of Cinder block the size of your thumb fly just to the right of your face. On another note, 410 punched a hole through one round, whereas a 9mm took two rounds, so anyone who says a 410 is equal to a 9mm does not know what they are talking about. Also, Remington and Winchester 410 slugs only penetrate about 5 inches to 8 inches in ballistic gel, whereas a Brinikee 410 slug penetrates about 15 or more inches. The 410 is the only slug the brand makes a difference, because 20 and 12 are just so big they plow through anything .
Yup. I tell people all the time that .410 is nearly as powerful (on paper/mathematically) as some standard 44mag loads are from a pistol- easily surpasing a .357mag pistol for sure. And yes, I recently gel tested some standard .410 slugs and they only went a few inches- Brenneke are next, and I was already aware they penetrate like crazy compared to the others. I have some long range videos with those...
Great video, thanks for doing it. Green with envy...I live in eastern Ontario Canada, just across the river from Massena NY, and I'd love to get some of that slug for my gun, but I haven't been able to find ANY 3" .410 ammunition, anywhere, for over a year now. Frustrated. One shop in Atlantic Canada told me old people are hoarding .410 ammo. Whereabouts are you located?
I agree. And 20g is very close to the destructive force of the 12g without the recoil. Furthermore the 20g slug is more accurate. Something to think about when choosing between the two.
Based on what I have seen in gel tests, I would say not ideal because the slug breaks up and doesn't penetrate very far most times. Even at further ranges like say 50 yards where the slug is only going about 1100fps and may not break up, if you hit one of those large bones, it would probably still break up being soft lead. I'd say if you get a good broadside shot that is at least 25 yards out (hoping that the slug stays together with the reduced velocity of the further distance), that it would probably do the job. But overall I would just use the Brenneke slug which would offer plenty of penetration under any circumstance...
That's a lot of gel- I just did .410 a few weeks ago and that's about all my block could handle. I am making bigger blocks and doing 20ga & 12ga, but they will be individual videos. Doing all 3 at once requires more room than I have in my refridgerator for all the big blocks I would need lol.
Not to infringe I thot as your intro showed the block laid flat and looking strait on you'd shoot at it to see how many of the 3 "ribs" each slug would break...? Figured .410 one rib ~ 1/4oz 20gauge 2ribs ~3/4oz 12gauge all 3 ~ 1 oz
I have to do what I can to get the picture to look right. And the way I look at it, I'm shooting the side that you would actually be shooting if you were trying to shoot your way through a block wall...
Why? What's the difference between 10 yards and 20 yards? Close range is close range. You can tell just by the camera angle it's at least 10 yards aways but no more than 20- you can even count my steps in the video. I'm just trying to understand why you think a few yards one way or the other would make a difference...
I had a ricochet off a freaking ballistic dummy head, and it flew back lodged in my cheek nearly penetrating through to my teeth. I physically pulled it out and butterfly band aid. Now i have a scar on my cheek.
If you can get equal performance from the 20 with common ammo - don't you think people deserve to know that? why perpetuate the myth that 20 isn't capable?
I don't know about them, as far as hunting deer size game I'd stick with 20ga and up.. Deer are pretty tough, I once shot a large buck in the shoulder quartering toward me with a 3" sabot slug at 17 steps. Didn't even drop him. He ran about 175 yards in woods.
