Should Brexit Have Happened? - Stella Creasy | Intelligence Squared 

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Correct

@Virtus And give us lots of extra things to moan about.

@Virtus And the Brexiters' with their heads up their arses. They don't seem to care. Come to think of it, they never did.

@Virtus Oh! we are doomed then.

@Virtus Hang on a minute. I don't remember Farage mentioning CANZUK before the vote. He must of know it would be a vote looser. Like we haven't got enough sheep already.

Why are you devout followers of the religion modernism that are federalists or would be bumboys of alien masters so obsessed with sin? Do you take some objection to any of xenophobia, nationalism and isolationism and if so, what is your objection and upon what is your objectiobased? -your infernal religion that you would make compulsory- you really are Nazi aren't you but then religious fanaticism does tend to Nazism or bullying or fascism. Can you not quite grasp that the electorate-in particular the Elsies voted for secession just to spite the likes of you that insisted on calling them fools and sinners in you fervid obsession with sin

Ukland sems fine to me and oddly enough , contrary to the predictions of you fanatical followwrs of the religion modernism federalism, Ukland has seceded from the European federation of vasal states and the sky did not fall, there was no plague of frogs or locusts and the firstborm did not all die, so you religious fanatics turned out to be what we lawyers call wrong. Ukland has seceded and everything is fine but for the squealing like stuck pigs of a few demented federalists who m you might think would take the hint having been defeated not just once twice or thrice, but*Four* times in a row and seemingly mow the little piggies suppose five times a charm- seemingly having gone raving mad, but they are so funny that they really should try selling tickets

If it were you would be dead and sadly you are not res ipsa loquitur

The sane says not to let in immigrants and ban Islam! The other countries of Europe are doing the same, they are increasingly anti-immigration and especially anti-Islam, but unfortunately it has not been banned yet. It is not xenophobia that better countries protect themselves from the destruction of inferior cultures. This is what everyone thinks, regardless of the political side, 90% of society agrees. For example, I am an enlightened liberal, not a leftist, but the majority of leftists would also agree. In addition, your operations have been quite disastrous lately. At the moment, you would only hinder the EU, I feel, replace your party and pursue a more normal policy where you don't imprison animal and environmentalists or anyone who protests because it's a dictatorship!

Exceptionalism 😮😮

Well said. I would like to add they did that at the expense of the people and their country.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender Isn‘t it faceless bureaucrats translating EU law into whatever they deem to be necessary to keep, get rid of or change? My understanding is that parliament is cut out of the process by the guys who promised more parliamentary sovereignty!

@Zockblatt Shickleblender You do understand, that it is faceless bureaucrats in the UK government, who randomly put EU law back into the UK’s legal framework with very little oversight by the commons?!? Thanks the Tories for pulling the laws they like out of their arses, while dropping consumer protection and workers rights. I mean the democratic deficit of the EU pales when compared to a country of several nations that get dominated by the largest part without a veto or even a seat at the table, where the head of state is a monarch, the upper chamber is unelected and unaccountable and the lower chamber is elected by an FPP, electoral system where regularly a 35% of the vote leads to an absolute majority. But who cares. We don’t even have a seat at the table to obstruct and delay European politics, so like Switzerland we are now rule takers, if we want to keep at least a minimum of trade.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender Except they aren’t. The REUL bill tasks unelected civil servants to replace around 3000-4000 laws and regulations with hardly any parliamentary oversight. The UK us a democratic shitshow and it seems only the Scots realize that they’re conned on a daily basis.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender No they can’t. And if enough “small” countries agree, VonderLeyen is gone. And mentioning “Hitler” makes you just a blathering idiot.

Indeed they are so sweet when they do everything to prove the benefits of the EU27 🎉

Hahaha, that's how many Dutch people now think!

If you referred to the EU “5” you’d be more convincing . The rest have no say and are net recipients.

@@garrywynne1218 don't worry. You can apply to join again. That is offcourse after Scotland and after Ireland is united but still.

@@garrywynne1218 Stop going wrong all the time. It is so freaking annoying. Right reference is the Eurozone and Spain is part of it. Eurozone is now the majority of the EU27 and in charge.

I've taken a very cynical line with quitters saying that at least when we where in, we could meddle and obstruct.

Tee hee, you illustrate how religion stupefies the reason most vividly, but re you federalists really still squealing like stuck pigs over your four thrashings? For how long do you suppose you can keep squealing and stamping your little trotters? However please don't let me dissuade you from your squealing which is music to the ears of those that ground you federalists under their heel not just once or twice, but four times on the trot-or should I say trotter? The more you squeal and stamp your little trotters, the sweeter you make the schadenfreude of those that defeated you, but don't give up, I'm sure you can bully threaten or intimidate poor little dead-sheep Starmer into including a commitment to re-accession in the next runt(labour)suicide note or manifesto as you runts call it. I have to say that you devout federalist modernists do rather remind me of Violot Elizabeth Bott, you squeam and squeam until you are thick which you undoubtedly are if you can't take the hint after not just one or two or three but*Four* crushing defeats on the bounce and if that is not thick, god alone knows what is. Thum people thay I lithp, but I myseself don't think so, just hear me say these thimple words thugat thop an thoda. Dear devout little federalists you are funny and your squealing is music to mine ears, since when I watched or heard whoever say: "We're out", I thought that they joy of victory and independence would not last long, but bless your religious little trotters, thanks to you it still tastes as sweet today as it did then, so you are the gift that keeps on giving, albeit that schadenfreude is unattractive, by by gum it tastes good! So do please squeal and stamp away, but is it not a little queer to pursue a course of conduct that only brings joy to those that crushed you not just once, twice or thrice, but *Four* times in a row! It's so funny that you really should try selling tickets

Brits in Spain voted for Brexit why should Spanish should let Brits vote in their country risking them doing the same mess?

If they called themselves (Spanish) IMMIGRANTS instead of the EXCEPTIONALIST/Supremacist "Ex-Pat" this may not have happened.

@@jocosson8892 they are immigrants to Spanish people, they are not expats, they are arrogant immigrants who usually are drunk before 6pm

@@heldertorres4296 you don't have idea what British lost

As far as I understand, "problem with driving licences" for Brits in Spain comes down to themselves only. They have been warned for two years to change the licences to EU ones or to take a Spanish driving test, thus automatically obtaining EU driving licence. But of course, this was too much for Brits. Such unreasonable requests from the country where you live in. How dare they!?

Brexwits don't listen to anything but GBN, Gammon Brexshit Nonsense

@Zockblatt Shickleblender okay; now explain what are the NAZIs because just saying insane things is not a rational argument!

@Zockblatt Shickleblender Who is “We”????

@Zockblatt Shickleblender The only countries in Western Europe being treated as satellite states [or, in the lying drunkard's quaint phrase, 'vassal states',) are NI and Scotland.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender They might have wanted that but that isn't what has happened; the fact is that everyone in the EU has direct EU parlimentarians and indirect member state representatives; so that democracy is certainly isn't what the NAZIS wanted. So please stop being insane as this helps nobody.

The media are traitors of the state and have been for a very long time in ALL countries. Not its not the medias sole fault, you have a stupid referendum, lying politicians, old people wanting to go back 1960s Britain.... young people not voting, no safety clauses such as the margin must be more than say... 10% or something like that but honestly?... it will be 20 years at least before EU even contemplates Britain back in, that or another world war and either or could happen very soon

No, because the heavily skewed 'right wing' media insured that crucial information that would have led to a much more nuanced and balanced debate was deliberately obscured, and held back. They were hell bent on getting their warped message through to the British public about how terrible the EU was, that they chose to leave out all the good that came from being members of it. The likes of the Express, and Mail have alot to answer for here. Add to this, the Remain campaign was too negative and angst ridden. It was all 'if we leave, then we won't have this and this' (though they were absolutely right). What they should have done instead was take a much more positive approach, along the lines of 'look what the EU has given us'.....'as a country the EU has enabled us to do this, this, and this'.....and 'we were only able to do this through being in the EU....had we never joined, then we wouldn't have been able to do x'.

as long as the liter mark is also given that is :P

@@proxis9980 There was absolutely no requirement to put a liter mark on the glass. The only requirement was that there was a CE mark on it to show that the glass met the common safety, health and environmental rules. Apart from that, the UK could put all the crowns it wanted on its glasses.

🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂😂thats a good one!

LOL!! 😆

That will be a very long ride, but not impossible.

Might be but still a long way to go

Ukraine will be massive building project and that will boost our economy 🤔 Thanks for pointing that out. That is hundreds of billions of Euros 🤔

Should have never

I spoiled my vote because i believed the same, but believed the vote was bollocks

@@noeyes6151 Thanks for your comment.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender Thanks for your comment.

@@noeyes6151 you spoiled your vote for brexit because you didn't want to leave?

@Zockblatt Shickleblender I feel sorry for the woman that raised you

...as was Hitler!!

@Zockblatt Shickleblender that made us all more prosperous, so not being on a gravy train for the populous is worse than being on the gravy train as the European CITIZENS are compared to the increasingly impoverished UK citizenry!!

@Zockblatt Shickleblender complete nonsense . Nothing was paid . It was a loan , relayed by Ford in orderformulier realize a cost cutting and consolidation exercise . The loan was part of Fords 600 million pound investment plan ( the UK provided money too by the way ). Asks yourselves why Ford embarked on this restructuring ? The were making continuous loss partly because of the low productivity . In the industrialized world , the UK is one of the countries with reduced productivity since quite some time ( in particular compared to France and Germany). The loan from the European Bank was very cheap . You blame the EU but in reality it was the low productivity of the UK plant that caused the job loss . The UK member of the bank , George Osborne , backed the loan . Ultimately the loan enabled Ford to keep other operations in the UK open resulting still in more than 8000 jobs . Without the restructuring … who would know . Maybe nobody would work in the UK. The tabloids sold it as a malicious move of the EU towards Britain . And you swallowed it . Without questioning , investigating or anything . Let me also remind you it was the Uk who begged Europe to become a member , but DeGaulle refused twice . They begged because they were the “ sick man of Europe”. Pretty much like now .

@Zockblatt Shickleblender No evidence, just allegations.

But the party she's a member of does not have a leader.

@@zockblattshickleblender7758 How much money is saved?

@@zockblattshickleblender7758 You're talking about membership of the EU before the rebate. I'm asking how much is saved from not having to fund the "BUNGS".

Stella Creasy is a member of the Co-operative party by the way. I wasn't saying that her party hasn't a leader to be facetious, I mean her party literally hasn't a 'Leader' position.

@Zockblatt Shickleblender ...and Brexit is costing the UK £115 Billion a year in a smaller gdp!!

The word is secede titch, not leave; if you no longer wish to be a member of a federation and wish to regain your sovereign independence the word for that is secede, and it is the case that the UK is no longer subject to the laws rules and regulations and court decisions of an alien nation - is subject to no authority other than its own which is what sovereign means, and the sooner the UK derogates from the European convention on human rights(whatever a "right" may be) and all other treaties that limit its sovereignty the better.

@@vhawk1951kl The UK had and has sovereignity, there were 79 MEP to protect our interests and also the Veto right. Can you give me examples of laws that you don't have to abide now? You still believe the scumbags who lied to you, conviced you to vote for 'rights & sovereignity' you already had. At some point Scotland will secede from the Union, probably N.Ireland as well and join the EU. I hope you're having fun with your blue passport (while waiting longer in the non EU line).

They are entirely responsible and maybe they've learned, but probably not

Martin…: That the main point

Would you consider that the Gov had a mandate to proceed? Bearing in mind it was an 'Advisory Referendum'.

@@earthman6700 the government did not need a mandate it was a clear choice MPs had and they decided by a huge majority to trigger article 50 .When the government representative delivered the letter to the EU it was worded as the UK parliament had voted to trigger article 50 and therefore starting the 2 year leave process.The letter was not a Tory mandate it was an act of a unanimous vote by MPs from all parties.

I’ll tell you who voted for the EU referendum, it was Remainers who carried it through and with a massive majority. You can easily check the figures. I’ll round the figures up/down to make them more easily digestible but if we say there are 650 mp’s then 550 voted in favour of letting the people have a referendum, 50 voted against and 50 abstained. It was never just “advisory”. We didn’t all turn out to the polling station, in record numbers, just to take part in a survey. David Cameron said it was a once in a generation referendum and when the decision to leave the EU was announced, he resigned because he didn’t want to be the PM who took us out. If the referendum had been “advisory” he could have just ignored the result. The day after the result was known, the very same Remainer MP’s who voted to let us have the referendum immediately began the campaign to overturn it. Never before in the history of UK democracy has that happened. Just to compound the trashing of democracy, 3 UK Remain supporting politicians (including Nick Clegg) went over to Brussels to “have a word” with EU leaders. You couldn’t make it up but many people (in the six years since) have conveniently forgotten all that.

in the video description you will find the link to the original debate, which was aired 7 months ago...

Maggots Tories had the idea to build the Gateway to Europe with all the services. (Finance, law, insurance and logistics). Now the Tory maggots destroyed all of that plan.

She was talking about Queen Margaret in Henry VI - not Maggie T - take another look at appx 9.18.....

@@duncanlummis7837 Of FFS. This happens all the time. Brits slips to history of the banana 🍌 and then flies waaaayyy too far backwards 🙄

Ah attitudes that you religious fanatics regard as sinful being absolutely obsessed with sin. A right little Savonarola aren't you ducky? when will you start the book burning?

You should!!

On the positive side, your vote strengthened EU relations in Ireland and the rest of the EU. Grá ó Bhaile Átha Clíath aka love from Dublin ☘

@Zockblatt Shickleblender I think the UK Govt rules/ruled the country. But critical rhetoric nodding to communist autocracies sounds so much better!

You should feel a fool. And brexit voters should be disenfranchised

🙈 like saying why do we bother eating when it requires us to chew ​@Zockblatt Shickleblender

A referendum on such a complex matter was crazy. Even MPs had no full understanding/idea about it. This is why Parliament should never had triggered Art 50 before a full review about what was truly at stake then surelyconcluding better not do it.

@@franciscouderq1100 - it wasn’t crazy to have a referendum on leaving as it was crazy to enter into it in 92 without a referendum. That was the time to discuss it. Then for the public to vote on it . I’d wager they would never have voted FOR it . Which is the way the EU and politicians like it.

Do you now recognise that the United Kingdom has seceded from the European Federation, which is to say that it is no longer governed by the European Federation laws and not bound by the decisions of an alien court? Do you also accept that all the enabling legislation making the United Kingdom subject to European Federation laws and regulations as been abolished? - That is exactly what secession means. What else do you think secession means other than repealing all the European Federation enabling legislation?

Do you not understand that all the enabling legislation enabling European Federation laws and regulations to have the force of law United Kingdom has now been abolished and that is what secession means, or do you not quite grasp that?

What exactly are you trying to convey when you say it is brexit in name only? If you use adult terminology and not the sslang the gutter you would recognise that the word for leading or seeking to be a member of a Federation is secede and the processes known as secession. United Kingdom ceased to be a member of the European Federation the very second that the last bit of enabling legislation was abolished or the act of Parliament abolishing that legislation received the Royal assent; A country or nation has seceded from a Federation when the laws of that Federation are of no effect in your country and that is the case now, and that is not secession in name only

@Simon John the cost of living crisis is entirely down to oil companies price gouging. Me, continuing to support their profits will not make me less poor. This system no longer works for hard working tax payers like me. And failure to understand it has collapsed the leadership of our ruling party almost on a monthly basis. The millionaire Mr Cameron,some years ago, asked me to tighten my belt because we were all in it together. Can I untighten it now? I must be about due some reward for my austerity.

@@simonjohn6156 Dude, the rest of us Anglo-Saxons outside the UK could see Brexit was a pile of steaming dog do-do from the start. We laughed, we took advantage, now we are amazed at how long it's taking you to realise this. Do you eat meat pies? Do you know that there are now no actual checks on imported meat? (Thanks Rees-Mogg). Where do you think the elderly horses of Eastern Europe go these days?

@@simonjohn6156 Say what you like, we're still all laughing at you.

@@simonjohn6156 The UK got pwned by Putin's bot farms...

@@simonjohn6156 Of course I don't live in Europe. I'm a representative non-UK Anglo-Saxon.

Which particular deliberate untruth or lie have you in that feverish religious fanatic little dreaming apparatus, or mind of yours; a statement does not necessarily become a lie because some little modernist federalist religious fanatic does not like it. For how long are you federalist modernist religious fanatics going to squeal like stuck pigs after your crushing defeats? Nevertheless do please keep squealing and stamping your little trotters for it is music to the ears of those that wanted independence and your squealing merely sweetens our schadenfreude.

I voted Brexit because also l couldn't see the need for the Maastricht Ratification meaning "ever closer union". We already had all the cooperation we needed in the old Common Market. Maastricht was an operation in empire building. We do not need to become a state within a European Superstate run by soviet-style commissars. It would also mean the King being king of a province and the disappearance over time of England, subsumed into the global morass.

@@leonardgibney2997 I understand the feeling, but not the dooms day conclusions. The UK was at the top table of a new united empire, had more say than most, look at regs initiated in the UK as a percent of all, UK was the balance between Germans and French interests and the champion of the smaller states, just ask Dutch and Danish people. I see no reduction in the role of Scott culture or society dispute joining the UK, or in say Texas culture in joining the USA. Fear of change is the enemy, not the EU. Rejoin as quick as poss, the majority of the UK want it,and have done since before we left.

@@antonysmyth2464 "Rejoin as quick as poss, the majority of the UK want it" Well rejoin will take aprox. 20 years, if the UK doesn't get vetoed!

@@simonjohn6156 And now for some reality. If the EU want to have a defence force, that's up to them as we've left, but seeing as NATO fulfils that need it seems unlikely to really occur, except in the overheated minds of some EU politicians and Brexiteers. The referendum was a purely UK affair, with the UK voting either to leave or remain - nothing more, nothing less. What else was it about other than that binary choice? In what way was it a con, leaving aside the fact that the Leave proposition was the undeliverable promised by the unprincipled to the gullible or the hard of thinking. Now that was a con, and you fell for it!

@@simonjohn6156 Well at least you got one thing almost right at the beginning of this post. The UK and EU are as free of each other as two neighbours and trade partners can be. German 4th Reich? What is it with you Brexiteers still fighting WW2, which you allegedly won single-handedly? Do you really think that France, Italy and the Netherlands (amongst others) would allow this to happen? The rest of your post was so much nonsense it doesn't bear discussion, at least not in relation to reality.

She isn't Right,She and her Brussell fellow puppets took the British electorate for being stupid,by lies,propaganda and downright dishonesty

I do not think you will ever be allowed into the EU, given the vibes I am getting around Europe. The UK is a bit of a basket case and will continue so for a vey long time. I think the EU would be afraid to have any dealings with the UK under such circumstance.

@@raymonddixon7603 I can almost guarantee you that we wont be getting in anytime soon as in the next two decades and why would we be allowed? You would take an ex-wife or ex husband back after they left you after telling everyone how awful you were, how toxic you were and how much better they would be if single or in a new relationship only to find 2 years after leaving you they were wanting to come back and almost expected to be taken back with gratitude? NO!!! Of course not.

@@private-private ye, lets hope democracy wins out. Down with Nationalist fascists.

The United Kingdom has seceded from the European Federation whether you like it or not Are you devout modernist federalists still squealing like stuck pigs after your thrice thrashing? For how long you propose to keep squealing like stuck pigs, and what do you hope your squealing will achieve?

I don't know about narcissist(means nothing) but Cameron was certainly no conservative and his adoration of sewerites and allied homosexualists was fairly repellent, but he was a gutsy little creature that did not quite understand that no man can be simultaneously brave and intelligent. In what respect was it unreasonable to ask the people(whatever that may be) whether or not they wished to regain their sovereign independences on d for times on the bounce they gave the clearest possible indication that they had no desire to remain a vassal state of the European federation of vasal states masquerading under the lying euphemism(and all euphemisms are lies) the European union as if calling what on any view a federation a union and that is why you federalist would-be bumboys of an alien master dared not use the word secession - It was too truthful.

@Simon John objectively verifiable, every word from her mouth

Yes all gob

Probably because it's costing them money and they realised is was a f*up.

She's not in the Labour party, but I know what you mean.

Labour are pro brexit also.

Tell you what titch, why don't you see if you can bully or intimate the poor timid dead sheep Starmer into promising re-accession the EF in the next runt(labour) suicide note or manifesto? Go for it chum he should be putty in your hands and you would not need more than one or two bricks to break the relevant windows

Do you think it would be as easy as that? The UK decides to rejoin and that’s that? Don’t you think the EU also has a say in this and might not want the UK back in a hurry?

20 years the minimum

Which National vote? He meant the advisory referendum. Somehow an advisory referendum trumps a quorate referendum 🤷

You might have missed it but the UK had a referendum in 2016. It was as close. So close that had 100% of Scot’s voted remain, leave would not have won. That’s why I think our negotiators ie EU behaved like a dumped teenager

@@youtubeyoutube936 so an advisory referendum then?

Like the in 1972/73 then.

@@youtubeyoutube936 no that was a quorate vote

An ignorant majority won a disaster. This is how so called democracy can work against you.

Even harder to start building empire 2.0 when, unlike the first time, you don’t have the control of the high seas and control World trade and are not the workshop of the world based on being the leader in technology. Yet English voters swallowed Boris Johnson’s lies.

So Maggie T campaigned for EU and was misguided??? Come on. The EU saved your ass in the 70s, you PLEAD to be let in, only to shaft everybody else. Rest assured, we don't want you back, thank you for Brexit.

What EU law are you personally looking forward to get rid of?

which particular EF(European federation) law have you in mind titch? You have not the faintest idea? Tee hee, no surprises there. Who do you suppose will *Dare* to promise re- imposing the yoke of EF law on English necks?-Dead-sheep Starmer perhaps? H e is a bit timid weak or flaccid is he not to go for that particular form of political suicide, but you should be able to bully or intimidate him into it, or failing that perhaps the limpdims or the greens? You can have a grand coalition of the devout.

I would also suggest North Korea

100% right but the ignorant electorates never knew this but got too thrilled to vote to get rid of EU migrants so they committed suicide following the path of emotion rather than common sense.

England and Scotland are Kingdoms, Wales is a principality. So not even three 😢

@@col.hertford9855 England small Islands compare America's large land with approx 3.3 billion population speaks the same language, both were and now global political leaders, England's leadership is already over. American I don't see any prospect in the future.like to know why the two use the same language can't make a longer time for their superpower. Really I don't have much interest in England's history because I look down at England same as I look down at Japan. Islands tiny.

@@eugenewu2202 you also look down on spelling and grammar. Have a great day.

An ignorant majority won a disaster.

Globalisation destroyed the nation state democracy decades ago unfortunately.

"BUT we NEED REJOIN EU" That's going to take aprox. 20 years, if all requirements are met and the UK doesn't get vetoed! The latter is very likely!

@@marinusvos we have no control over whether EU readmits us. But we can hold brexit voters to account

Good god are you so crazed by your queer religion that you think that poor weak dead-sheep Starmer is going to risk plucking defeat from the very jaws of victory, because if you do you vividly illustrate how religion stupefies the reason. Do you not realise that Ukland does not even begin to qualify for accession to the euro without which joining which re-accession the federation is utterly pointless. The last thing the runts(labour) want is PR which has already been rejected because it gives power to the very people for whom *Nobody* voted and results in impotent coalitions. why has the issue raised its ugly head again just now years after the federalists were crushed not just one twice or three times, but*Four* times in a row? lok sunshine, the war is over and you lost, not just one twice or three times , but *Four* times in a row do you really think five times a charm? IFyou do you make it absolutely certain that religion and in particular your queer religion s stupefies those that go in for it. Do you not realise that those of the independence secession camp would like to se nothing better than the runts(labour)tearing themselves apart over what is now a non-issue- a dead letter. When you see your enemy threatening to shoot himself, you do not seek to dissuade him but rather offer him your gun and as many bullets as he needs, so please please- pretty please do everything in your power to persuade poor weak dead-sheep Starmer to put a pledge to re-accede to the EF/EU in the next runt(labour) suicide note or manifesto because for us secessionists that would be like having all our Christmases' and birthdays at once, se be a good little modernist and go for that, y'hear?

The EU also didn't make it difficult. If the UK wanted out, they could go out. If the UK wanted something from the EU after leaving, then obviously the EU wanted something in return, of equal value or more (if possible). However, this is the same for any other country outside the EU. If India, Brazil or Japan want something from the EU, the response would be the same. The UK was "just" another third country, nothing more, nothing less. It's a myth that the EU made it especially difficult for the UK.

I'm sure you're right that the EU didn't make it especially difficult for the UK to leave that's why I didn't say they made it especially difficult for us to leave the EU. I didn't see whether in or out of membership as something entirely about economics even though obviously it is an important element when taking in the overall considerations the remainers were and still are from my pov wrong, I don't think of remainers as bad, wicked, racist or educationally sub normal people.

"Why would the EU make things easy for any country that wants to leave their union" Because its a stunningly stupid thing to do?

It is putative federation; the lying euphemism European union is calculated to deceive because had they called it what is-the European federation, the people of the member states of what on any view is a federation would have realised that their once sovereign independent nations were little more the equivalent of English counties or states in the USA

They want to be liked by their peers so they mimic their behavior. Someone with 80 IQ is probably more stable than someone with 160. Pretty sure intelligence isn't the deciding factor.

Brexit hasn't even properly happened yet. The UK is not yet doing import checks, for example. This doesn't bother the EU (because it is in our favour) but the rest of the world will notice and complain. "Luckily", there are other more important matters right now, so there's still some time to implement them.

Mono ieba kuchibiru samushi aki no kaze. ..

You conveniently forget that you devout modernist federalists got outvoted not just one, twice or thrice but*four* times in a row. Clearly your queer religion stupefies what little reason you might perhaps one day acquire. If you are so keen to be the catamite of an alien master there is a continent full of creatures that will satisfy your perverted appetite for submission not so very far away,but do keep squealing like a stuck pig over your fear defeats, it is music to the ears of those that defeated you cause four times in a row. If only the passive half of the causes of her arising of the ghastly Creasy bint had been as keen on the slaughter of the unborn(which incidentally makes the holocaust look amateur and half-hearted)as that ghastly creature is, but sadly was not. Churchill was dead right; it was a huge mistake to let beings of the passive sex vote. One wonders if devout followers of the religion modernism federalism realise that the more they squeal like stuck pigs and stamp their little piggy Trotters they make music for the ears of those that crushed them not just once fight or thrice, but 4 times in a row - their squealing and rotter stamping only delights those that defeated them - it seems rather queer to wish to please those that defeated you, but then a good many of the followers of the perverse religion modernism are sewerites and suffer from various paraphilias

Why would you need dialysis? You would still have one functioning kidney.

Starmer, is that you ?

@@franciscouderq1100 understandable response, ut for once he is right. What have all these discussions brought you in the last 6 years? Nothing. Will the UK public accept the € and Schengen to become EU member? No. Will the EU accept the UK when it applies? No, it doesn't meet the criteria. The point where he is wrong is when he says being part of the CU and SM doesn't bring any benefits. Given that Efta and EU membership are not possible, and the EU will not have another Swiss deal there is no point in even discussing a non existing option though.

Which means you will be the sick man of Europe again indeed.