Should First Strike Be Banned? 

"why don't fields focus on higher quality masks For rentals?" I think crappy uncomfortable fogging masks are worse than a spyder with co2

I feel like paintball as a whole is suffering. Local shops are in decline, most fields have field paint only rules, thus starving local and online sales. As for FSR, it has advantages in accuracy, but terminal ballistics are no more dangerous than round ball. They chrono at the same speed and break on impact. My only issue with them is the severe lack of biodegradability. Magfed is the sport slowing down to smell the roses. Much like the resurgence in pump play. Embrace it!

I’m so tired of the ignorance in the paintball community and I’m really passionate about this. I’m going to explain to you why the paintball world is imploding. As noted in the comment by Alabaster Slim, Rentals are the bloodline of paintball. And the reason why? “Because that’s how it’s always been” For real. You mean to tell me your business practice of segregating players doesn’t already fracture your chances of more success? Nevermind the fact that rentals is usually referring to a group of people. And since rentals have to play with rentals you need a crowd to have any fun. Once the crowd has had their fun and leaves, catch the owner rubbing his hand on the influx of cash like a fly on shit. .... cause that’s it. Little Richie’s birthday is only once a year, so you better hope Richie’s friends have the same idea for their birthday. You gotta understand the average person hasn’t been invited to the paintball world as early as we were. Ask any self equipped: What drew you into paintball? The cool colors, the tactical gameplay (well, speedball is another story), decking out your gear? The fear of getting shot, the thrill of shooting to kill... its real life call of duty what is there not to like? The thing is, what do rentals consist of? A flimsy, soggy, J-flex mask and a crusty Tippmann 98 with so much paint stripped it needs to put on a bathrobe. The paint? priced to gouge the wallet. priced to say “this is my entire profit margin” Priced so dumbfoundedly high it needs to pull over and take a cold shower because it got me making up words like dumbfoundedly. And don’t even lie it made sense when you read it. FFS, I’ve heard players limiting their shooting so as to NOT burn through a case.... So we have right here two of the many major problems paintball is facing. 1. Segregation of players 2. Egregious ammo prices ... Stay tuned as I am making a channel dedicated to Paintball! You’ll know who I am when I quote this post.

I think FSR should be legal and rental players are not the only steady money. If you are worried about rental people police overshooting with speed ball palyers.

FSR: Never ever with rentals. So generally walk-ons: no FSR, I've been at one walk-on game that allowed them, but there weren't any first timers and all the players were down with it. Think more of a private game than a walk-on. Renters are the bread and butter of this industry - they are the ones the bring the money, not us gun owners. You want them coming back again and again.

Yeah because rentals going up against speedball players is any better? I've seen rentals always leave the field because speedball players will overshoot.

Field I work at switch to 4 star paint last year and just bought 250 emeks

FSR doesn't necessarily hurt more than roundball. They're both chronoed at the field legal velocities. The only difference is FSR maintains that velocity longer since it's actually aerodynamic so it just feels like getting shot up close with roundball, which if you're playing close quarters, it still really isn't any different.

I think a big reason people buy paintball guns in Dicks is because they want to get into paintball but don’t know any better. I worked at Academy for a while and I had tones of questions from people looking to get into the sport but didn’t know the first thing.

so i am playing magfed with 20 round mags...i need maximum accuracy to be effective so i use FS rounds. then there are speedballers with their big ass hoppers and high rof super light markers, raining thousands of balls down on you. now tell me who seems more unfair to a rental. why should FS be banned ?! thats super stupid !? magfeds already are only a small minority?! why shit on that minority even more...and why not go after the fucking speedballers. the whole argument that "it drives away rentals!" is super bullshit, "oh this guy aimed at me and hit me with 1 of his 20 rounds in his mag! fuck paintball!" said noone ever. especially bullshit because of the fact that magfed markers are at a disadvantage already...why would you blame THEM for it...not those super OP speedball setups. i play on big games usually when there are rentals/magfeds/speedball markers on the field and nothing is more frustrating than someones locking down a whole part of the map with a speedball-style setup...

#PBQT add to that list for field owners: Upgrade your masks! Or at least replace bad lenses more often. If you cant see, it doesn't matter what kind of gun you have or paint your shooting.

lol I remember hearing stories about how the Tippmann smg 60's and 68's were banned on some fields back in the late 80's early 90's cause they were fully automatic and back then everyone had pumps lol til Bud Orr changed that ;)

lol 20 years ago i bought a rifled barrel for my tippman 68 yes 68 cause i was dumb and didnt realize the mechanics but i have used it ever since to great effect does it help? probably not but it is my "lucky" rig so ill keep using it . its funny i have had great electric markers and right now i have a mac dev which is great but for anything but speedball its my good old tippman 68 with the 18 inch rifled barrel (cant lie i even speed ball with it too)

I think fields should start utilizing a “first strikes only” gameplay since the field I go to separates the rentals from the gun owners on the speedball field. Not sure if this is already a thing or how you would go about it but I feel like separating the players in certain games would improve the beginners experience. Edit: Yeah apparently other fields are doing that, so everyone can be happy. They can have like mixed games on the big fields but also have advanced games on like the speedball field and also have rental only player games too there as well. Idk I really think it’s effective.

First strikes don’t hurt any worse than paintballs.

1st time on a PaintBall field with a rental, and it was bad enough getting shot in the back by 6yr olds, then the guy with the First Strike T15 decides to snipe me as the biggest target other than him!

Look up the Magnus effect. Rifeling absolutely can not what so Ever help a round ball.

First strike should be banned until they can be 19.99 per 500 or so..... FS is prohibitively expensive. $80 for 250 fs rounds is **insert expletive** ridiculous.......

#PBQT Could you do a pro and cons of a Poppit Valves vs Spool Valves?

You’re forgetting the huge handicap of fs, they must be mag fed. That itself is a huge force balancer. Industries die when there’s no innovation. Whether new ideas are successful or fail doesn’t matter, rifled barrels and shaped rounds have just given proved advantages

FSR doesn't hurt more than Roundballs, it is usually because the person forgot to chronograph his gun properly

First strikes unless you're running a VERY specific mag fed set up , really does not present that much of an "advantage". With such a set up it does, but you're limited on ammo being mag fed I do agree with the idea of keep it away from rental groups, But I have never had a problem facing down mag fed F.S. wielding players with my mech markers even in large scenario play. Sure they get nice range and look very "flash" but just long balling or reliance on equipment =/= skill . In scenario games good use of cover, fast movement to said cover, good teamwork , communication and being sneaky pays off dividends Vs. those whom think their gear makes them better.

The colonists rifled their muskets that shot round lead balls and it increased the accuracy a lot

F.S. isn't that bad, the very idea of banning it for certain fields or against new/rental players is really stupid....at this rate, we should start banning Speedball players from playing against new/rental players, because they can be a hundred times worse then F.S.(no offence towards any style of PB players). I'm sorry, but a few special snowflakes to the hundreds of thousands that play this great sport shouldn't have a bigger voice then use who play all the time.

It would have zero effect because as soon as the paintball left the rifling unlike a bullet it would instantly tumble due to the shape of the paintball

Hey I live in nor call and I can't wait to play at cap edge your videos have helped guide me getting back into the scene thanks man hope to see ya out there

GoG Enemy = Smart Parts Ion.... I hated that marker back in the day. Sells for the same price as back then too lol. It was like trying to take care of an over needy, super clingy girlfriend. Did not like when players would bring them to our field as they always had problems. I much preferred something like the Indian Creek Promasters if you were gonna rock a cheaper marker in that day.

Cheap oval shaped bronze teir feild paint shoots better with rifled. First strike goes farther and straighter. Big fields benefit from first strike.

I think the problem with first strike is: people get into magfed, and think "I'm going to run first strike!" And just go to their next big game running one marker with FS. Then they go into areas (like at the field near me PRZ) where there's a lot of cqb, or they rush other players. Few people are willing to spend the money on a sidearm. I feel like if I was running an event, I would require people running FS, to also run roundball in a sidearm. As well I would tape their FS marker to identify it.

The Rifled barrel give the ball a Clockwise spin, the inertia of the spin will cause the ball to spin left or right or up or down, you want a back spin to curve the ball upwards, its like a baseball pitcher throwing a curveball. always barrel match your paint to your barrel, before each day. some brands of paint may be slightly larger or smaller. Buying a barrel kit with multiple size backs .685 .683 ECT. or inserts that do the same will have a greater affect on grouping and distance accuracy over all then pretty much any other method or barrel system i have encountered in the last 20 years of paintballing. Excluding First Strike rounds as they are not "balls" and they are Strictly Mag Fed and Not Standard Equipment for 99% of Paintballers. Ambush Army Div .2 speed ball league Amvush Army Div .1 Rec-ball League PaintballGear.com Store Manager until 2014 20 years of paintballing EXP.

New comer here. I’ve played paintball a few times, but decided ultimately that I wouldn’t play anymore, unless I purchased gear. Why? Because when you’re renting a gun, and playing with gear owners, it’s absolutely a waste of money. I wanted to throw the gun and fistfight instead. Extremely frustrating when you’re working with a tool that hardly works, and then someone hits you from 200 yards out. Unfair, and should be considered a scam.

paintball manufacturers need to drop their prices..... that alone will attract more players .... think about it sell more paint make more money...... if you drop the price people shoot more

Head shot from about 60 yards still licking my wound. No break either…makes me wonder. I’m checking people paint loads.

Oh i see. Your just giving ur opinion on first strike rounds. From the title i assumed first strikes were being banned. Your title should have said SHOULD first strike be banned. But im sure your just going for click bait...

Well i usually run First strikes and i was put on a team of mostly rentals vs a bunch of dudes with electro guns and we where getting our clocks cleaned, i was the only thing balancing the thing till i ran out of ammo and got overwelmed lol

The paintball feild CQB in Canada actually was a major player for Mag fed guys and first strikes but they suffered where it came to renters because the fields where small towns one day I want to own a feild that is ONLY mag Fed including rental equipment just everyone has the same stuff and no hoppers..

my local field is wayyyy more noob based than anyother field ever in the history of paintball, but there is some ppl who have speed ball guns, and about every month there is ppl who have mag fed and arent alawed fsr

I see a lot of people taking about shitty rental gear. I’m in Australia where the paintball market has just shot up because 12 year olds are now able to play and it’s easier to get a paintball marker. And at my local field, they are a paintball shop so they know what their doing. Also they have very nice non fog masks, nice gog enemy’s(well taken care of) and have multiple gun upgrades from the meek to the geo. The field is top quality and they actually provide some good equipment. And yes the rentals are out gunned by the pros who sometimes come and overshoot but it’s not very bad because the teams are made fair.

I wouldn't prohibit FSR's or anything like that. I'm not penalizing someone just because they made an investment in their gear. You could go the same route and start banning full auto guns or anything like that because it's "unfair" to the rental players. If you ban one thing just ban anything non-rental. Or simply segregate the players OR make the rental players aware if they want to play with non-rental players.

First strikes will not deter new players nearly as much as sweaty speedballers sprinting around the field in cleats and ramping $100 worth of paint into every bunker. Getting caught in a rope of 15+bps is what scares new players, not getting picked off by a long ball from across the field. Unless a field has a mandatory 30 foot mercy rule and a 10bps cap across the board, first strike will not cause more pain than what already happens. First strike users generally don't bonus ball, either ($$$). It's far less scary to get shot with a first strike than it is to get run up on and shot in half by an electro. I don't know if fields ban first strikes because they're not as lucrative to sell as normal paintballs, because the fields are ignorant and lack the reason necessary to accept ideas other than their own, or both. After years of discussion, I still have yet to hear a valid argument for banning their use.

Nice fuzion jersey I have the same one, played for the first time the other day since fuzions demise

Clearly you have never used an Armson Rifled barrel.......

what's going on guys what's going on guys what's going on guys I couldn't start rewinding that shit was funny

only reason my field banned FSR is because of the plastic but which isn't biodegradable

FSR are a lot like a mini-ball............For those who haven't a clue to what a mini-ball is goggle it

it should be allowed for hammer 7’s or any other fsr pump action marker, or fsr marker with no capability of firing fast, because even with fs rounds, the hammer 7 is still a nightmare to use.

They just split the teams evenly and its ok. Most of the time if you have the rentals follow the lead of the more experienced players they can hold there own.

Home field does beginner and advance group for woods ball and they do not allow first strike in beginner group

You dont think people using full auto guns with hoppers against people using crappy single shots is a bigger problem?

It's the shape not the veins, just like a foster slug. Check out shotgun channels for more information.

I got hit by a monster ball in my stomach by a dude who was shooting hot still have the scar but I definitely lit his ass up the next game

kick less lol. I always laugh when I hear a player bitch about recoil in paintball

Y'all talk about speed ball players but that makes no sense. Who takes a bunch of coke and heroin?

Brad your so late

Renters don’t call their hits anyways so using first strike on them doesn’t really matter

With mag fed using fsr against speed ballers can even things out just saying

The one other exception to the rifled barrel not working is the MCS shaped projectile (still isn't released, but looks promising) which has a foam ring around the outside to catch on the rifling

First strike mag fed shouldn’t be used against rentals, but speedballers are ok?

first strike vs pump

I’m lucky my local paintball field used empire evil

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Do you think Magfed Paintball is evil?

The Kentucky long rifle would like to object

I hear the renters always talk about how in-accurate their markers are basically none of the balls go to the same locations. So its impossible to aim & adjust your shot. I think the barrels start to corridor & without porting to stabilize the ball its an impossible combinations make them never want to come back

You ahould try talking with your hands it might help with the spin

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Well, no. Rifled barrels make a HUGE difference with round balls. On any tippmann, it brings the shot spread from about 2 FTsq. To about 2"sq. Aswell as increases the dead accurate range by about 40m. FSR does get more of a benefit from rifled barrels but any round ball marker will still greatly benefit from rifling.

Can you explain 2 pice barrels #pbqt

should it be banned??? lol, walking on the feild with a first strike marker and rounds, would be putting that player at a bad disadvantage because first strike markers dont fire very fast, and you wont have a chance to play agianst other markers firing 10-15bps. thats like a sniper running into a house with a bolt rifle challanging a bunch of dudes with full auto ak47s.

The trick is Hk's FLAT rifling, you could use it with normal paintballs, since unlike standard rifling it doesn't cut into the projectile .

Is West Coast Adventure Park still open and do they allow First Strike Rounds?

Check out taofledermaus's video on slugs with rifling on them , I dotn know if it would work for a paintball either . If you fired a normal slug through a rifled barrel it would spin more then a rifled slug through a smooth bore . Because those fins are too small to have any effect , maybe stabilize them just a little it litteraly does 1 rotation before it hits the target where is rifled barrel it would spin way more and be more stabilized I dont know if that applies for paintball too maybe because it is lighter it might have an effect on it ?

first strike should be banned imo

Shooting plastic? No thanks

I don't know about anyone else, but I play at a few fields and know all the regulars, and definitely know the first timers when I see them. We just take it easy on the Noobs or younger players, but when we see each other the paint flies free. Be a good sport. The sport is not dead, there are more people playing now then in the 90's lol I'll tell you that much...that could be a result in population control but non the less...Paintball4life

My feild uses planet eclipses

Nemesis barrels are the best for first strike by a long shot.

This is hilarious. Talk about holding the industry back.

You look like your flying

I've tested the flatline , apex barrel and a proteam polygonal rifled barrel on my heavy modded 98 custom with regular rounds Guess which barrel was the most accurate ... The proteam

I don't agree with your assessment. Speedball guns are way more destructive to rental players than first strike.

Speedball players are preventing the growth of paintball. Overshooting new players, overshooting people who cant afford high end guns. I cap my gun at 5bps when playing new players so its more even and fun. Kids whose parents spoil them overshoot kids that are learning the game way to often. I also have seen adults do it to, they are why speedball paintball isnt growing as much. I love speedball. But when the economy collapsed every paintball store in my area closed down and alot of people me included quit playing as much. Other sports continudd to grow while paintball legit basically died for a few years. Again its the spoiled brats overshooting new people thats killing growth.

Why don't they just use hop-up like airsoft

*Intro music?*

Could a hop up similar to airsoft guns help in flight...idk shit about pb this was my recommended so excuse me if pb markers already have that feature

A bit late to the video, but it seems Walmart and Dicks arent selling paintball supplies in their stores anymore.

Yet he does not mention the nova a spool valve design the first of its kind in the mid 90s second off all it's a paintball marker not gun a gun. A gun fires a steel or lead projectile.third rifling does NOT help a paint ball at all it was tried in the late 80s and till 90s armson made barrles none the less ... and last but not least sir my knowledge of paintball markers and the game I have been playing the sport since 1987 fall of 87 I have seen this sport go from survival games to paintball from splat masters to pump to semi auto and the smg 60 wich were a fierce marker to come up against mechanical it could dump 20rounds in less than a second and it was a Marvel of its time.300 ft per second was the limt and the 10 safety rules I seen the invention of speedball I was a store team player of woods and speedball I was a member of the rude dogs a store team out johnston Rhode island.the evolution of paintball has come leaps and bounds since it was first played with Nelson spot markers and oil based paint yup that's right oil based paint ...

Do you need certain guns for first strike?

Damn rifled paintball barrels and these first strike rounds. That's crazy AF. I have not played nor kept up with the hobby in about a decade so it's crazy to hear about that shit. I feel like a old man now. It's like litteral pay2win premium ammo from video games LOLOLOLOL. By the way Im all for this crazy ammo but I can see why rentals would hate this. Sounds like a dream for scenario or woodsball.

FSR IS FOR MILSIM HAHAHAH not for a rental buddy hahahhaha ,,,, ouchhh ,,,, but look in milsim scénario game exemple is perfect for the sniper guy !!!! hummmm i put my mesh for to play when FSR is on the fields

If you look at history, the musket BALL was the first projectile designed to be fired from a weapon. The rifled barrel came into existence in order to stabilize musket BALL and make it more accurate. The rifled barrel does help make the round ball more accurate by providing enough rotation to counter the deformities (which cause drag) in the paintball. The mechanics are similar to those of putting a spiral on a football in order to counter the drag of the laces. #pbqt I know there wasn't a straight question in this, I just wanted you to see this comment and possibly respond?

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First strike does NOT hurt more. I have been hurt far worse with a regular recball paintball than a first strike. I play almost exclusively magfed paintball now, so I have been hit hundreds of times FSR's, and thousands by paintballs. I have done back to back tests with recball vs speedball grade paint, and the difference in pain is around HALF because the speedball paint is substantially more brittle compared to the recball/woodsball grade paint. A of people haven't even considered this very basic concept that it is the shell that is the biggest difference, and a lot of the time why bounces hurt more (because it didn't break so it remained hard when it bounced off you). Also.. I have often found myself going "damn that First Strike hurt..." then I realized it was a roundball. Bottom line... we jump to conclusions just because that is natural. I am a firm believer that in general newbie/birthday style play... only roundball should be used (unless their is an limited number of bolt action 'sniper' upgrades for that group), just to keep the playing field level. You want people to have a FUN first time, and come back more, not frustrate them because they 'felt' at a disadvantage. Treat your customers with respect, don't gouge, and put yourself in their shoes to try and create the best customer experience. Don't treat people like 'punters' (people you can financially exploit in the short term).

For someone that looks like (The Simpson's:) "Cletus the Slack Jaw Yokel" you seem to be extremely smart and know your paintball "stuff". You are the eternal mystery of what makes some youtube channels interesting and appealing and other's not. I'm a proud subscriber but frankly don't know why. You have that that mysterious (charisma?) but something, that brings me back. I run a club and tell new all Still trying to figure it out. Going to buy a shirt but only when your mug is on the back.

As someone who uses FSR 100% of the time at every game I play. I agree...FSR doesn't need to used in open play walk on days IF there is a lot of younger rentals, but if you ban them outright, you are discouraging a paying customer from those days they just want to play. If those walk on days are more speedballer and higher end markers, the FSR should be in play, it is our way to level the playing field against hoppers. Prsonally, at walk on days I'll load up both and if I get into a shootout with a rental, I'll switch to a roundball mag with the loss of velocity to give said rental a bit of advantage to make them feel good, especially if they are a child.

speed ball players make fields money , balls 5-6 cents a ball x 1000's of rounds . less shots with more accurate shots means less rounds means less money . I like the old play , pumps simple and fun , not too much lighting up players there , so play safe and have good times .

Airsoft guns use a hopup to apply backspin to bbs which increases the range, do paintball guns have something similar?

I say no to first strike unfare advantage when someone you can't see takes you out the fun of paint ball is bunker to bunker shoot outs whose gonna make it to next bunker and take out next closest opponent with same kind of marker one that shoots balls not hard plastic bullet shaped projectile that I've been hit with they never break by the way and if the skim your knuckle skin gone n bleeding so my experience no to first strike and the guy in camo one sees at back of field

u sound like a news reporter