United will move on. As talented as Mase is, you can’t risk dividing the dressing room and fan base by bringing him back. Ten Hag has them in a great place and the potential blowout is too costly for them.
As an opposition fan, I can't see why United would want him back. Your club is in a good place at the moment and building momentum. I think bringing him back is the last thing you want to do. Will just attract unncessary drama and not sure if you want this associated with your club long term if he stays.
@@rseepersaud Neither do I welcome your opinions. Were you there when he was doing it? And if it was true why did the court drop it? So you are wiser and more vigilant than the Manchester Court about this case or its just that you want to comment and receive replies?
@@mimikolomamu a difficult conversation doesn’t mean it has to be short lol. Mark has to make sure his facts and his own opinion is accurate to what he thinks. It’s a very sensitive topic
@@LovelyFishyFish yea I agree. We should believe wahmen and change the laws so men are guilty until proven innocent. You for example have necrophiliac tendencies that you've acted on. Now prove you're innocent. I'll wait.
Some fans are stupid enough to think that a lack of conviction means innocence, especially in a case about SA. There are literally videos of him assaulting her
You obviously don't think the law is important, but under the law Greenwood is as innocent as you or I. If you're not happy with that, maybe you should run for parliament and change the law so that it's enough to be charged with a crime to be found guilty. That would do away with the need for those pesky trials.
Hi Mark as a former detective if you talk about this again please could you mention the shocking rates of sentencing in domestic violence cases when you talk about the 'grey area'. It's really difficult to get a conviction in these sort of cases. Hence many woman feel they can't come forward to court.
@@domwoodall3920 he was repeatably breaking his bail conditions as well as her father forcing her to drop charges....both him and her father should be locked up. Huge failure on the police part as they knew he was breaking bail conditions and did squat about it.
Not a good idea, we all know he's not innocent, the charges were simply dropped after the victim pulled out her testimony. Greenwood isn't exactly needed at this point for United play-wise anyway, so bringing him back would be nothing but a huge PR headache. Besides, after seeing how Ten Hag has dealt with players so far, I doubt he'd want someone like that back in the squad to put a cloud over the dressing room again
Well according to law, he is innocent and it’s hard to say he isn’t innocent when the victim wasn’t able to show enough prove. The dates of any of those indigents that were shown were all screwed up to begin with.
She would probably get more money from winning the case My issue is what is the new evidence the cps found And also by the law he is innocent Oh he did not go to court So what do you call a man that is not convicted of a crime Scenario: the case of the missing slice of pizza nobody says anything nobody is guilty or innocent
The thing for me is he never actually went to court. If he was proved innocent at court I might be more open to him coming back and I know it’s incredibly hard to prosecute famous sports players but even so I’m not sure why it didn’t go to court
It didn’t go to court because the prosecution decided there was no chance of a guilty verdict. Greenwood should be allowed to pick his career up where he left off.
it didn't go to court because the victim went back to greenwood(very common for abuse victims to go back to abuser) and dropped the case, he wasn't allowed to contact the victim under bail conditions yet police ignored it.
One of Erik's main achievements has been to stabilize the dressing room and bring in people of good character who won't cause scandals or issues. I really can't see him tolerating the potential disruption from bringing him back. It's too risky and there's really no need for United to gamble like that. After all, he isn't the last striker on earth. I think the investigation is purely an attempt to get rid of him without paying him off and that the decision has already been made that he can't play again.
You don't even know what Greenwood is like now, or what his teammates think of him. What if that girl come about to say she's forgiven his behavior and urge people to give him a second chance
@@shitturasheed3551 so you would risk our whole team by taking a player back that has caused problems for the last 14 months because some girl he beat up forgive him? Are you that delusional?
@@J17legacy I think some people are just failing to do a risk analysis. He has good finishing ability but does that outweigh: disruption to the team, rival chants affecting away supporters and players, potential there's another incident in the future, possible effects on brand image and sponsor confidence etc.
His girlfriend might has dropped the case but we all saw the videos of him being abusive to her. Its definetly a toxic relationship and he has much controll over her. His contract should be terminated would be the best for Man Utd at this stage.
if you have a mother, a sister, a daughter then youre position should be he never plays football again. The recordings are shocking and to hear someone abuse someone like that is shocking
The CPS also heard the recording, and know a lot more of the circumstances than you, and they decided not to press charges. So they're wrong and you're right?
@@joekavanagh7171 need to read CPS code - doesn’t necessarily mean they think he’s innocent, but merely that the evidence they have wouldn’t lead to a prosecution so it’s a waste of resources to pursue
@@joekavanagh7171 Learn how the CPS works, first. They need a 95% chance of conviction to go ahead with prosecution, and the withdrawal of the victim's statements made that impossible. Greenwood is a rapist, end of.
Spurs fan here Should he play for man u again? No, the brand is too big to damage through his association. Should he play football again. Yes, no matter your opinion, he's not a criminal. He will be picked up by a north west championship club such as a Blackpool or a wigan to rebuild his career. It will be a slow process but after a few years of banging in goals, the majority will forgive and forget. This is just a higher profile ched Evans case, he rebuilt his career the same way, now at Preston.
Difficult situation to discuss. Respect for you putting it in a delicate way .. personally I am not sure but I can easy sway to letting him go because it's then not our problem. We have had enough issues this year . I think he has to go, it's about what he represents now
As a Liverpool fan, I think, United would be stupid to take him back now, ETH has a good thing going with good team harmony and this is just a distraction they don't need
@@MrPabzo Liverpool fan here and I would not take him if they paid us to take him. Hinting at supposed hypocrisy is not an argument that gets you far in discussions like this.
Would he even want to? The crowd will be letting their opinions known and he will never escape this. Plus I know if I was a player, I would really struggle to play next to him
@@TwRagnar wait, do you people think it's that simple? You think the world and the law is that black and white? Good people are innocent and bad people go to jail always? Are you guys 12 years old?
In a sporting way United can’t disrupt something running so well currently. Some players in the dressing room had massive opinions on this so it would just be a huge problem for eth and could divide the dressing room it just can’t happen even if we could do with another forward it’s not worth it massive distraction to the team
Doesn't matter if Utd are top of the league or bottom. The issue is whether an "innocent" man deserves his job back as he was not in breach of his contract or if the public has seen enough to make a majority decision..
No chance, if it was anyone else in the 'real world' we would get the book thrown at us. Footballers feel like they can do what they want, when they want and its absolutely disgusting. He has the money and backing to get away with what he wants, he can throw money at the problem and it miraculously vanishes. How many footballers imposed 'super injunctions' to stop people talking about potential mistress's or affairs?
Not sure if it’s as much about money as it is them getting back together (not confirmed). We all saw how obsessed her dad was with Mason Greenwood as well, so it could be a multitude of things, not excluding money.
@Marcus Larson, I think it is a combination of all of the above...The dad drives an Aston Martin to wonder where that came from. ALSO, THE Dad came out after the videos were posted saying "Well, her phone was hacked, we as a family stand by Greenwood". What father after seeing and hearing that says that chit??? Next threats to her life from the public and some disgusting people. Then you have to take into account why would a man take back a woman who accused him of rape? Isn't it more likely the victim went back to the attacker? Like many Abuse cases... Now taking all this into account if Manchester United take him back and he kills her then what?
Why did it take this long He already had the money The girls family is well off They don't need GW money or did we forget her profession They broke up before this fiasco right They are back together Case dropped Make it make sense
I had a guy in my class growing up, everyone hated him. Mixed kid, was class clown etc. last year of school he hooked up with a girl. She claimed rape and that he drugged her. Went though the court, was dropped about a year later. She said she wanted attention and it was a lie. Changed that innocent man’s life forever. I think it’s the same here
The law system is a joke we are owed an explanation are we supposed to forget that those pictures and vocal recording didn't just happen. Coming from a United fan
@@KaitoMinato I think that's the point he's making. If we were told that the recordings are actually role play then we'd all be able to move on. But since that's not been revealed, it seems more likely they are real but that she got back with him (very common in abusive relationships) and that's made it hard to realistically convict him. While there's still no explanation, sponsors and fans are naturally going to wonder and think the worst.
@@jarazimmerman3400 No, he act like those pictures and recording is proof. I don't want to address your assumption because i don't know either, but if i have kink like that i don't want it to be public knowledge, but it maybe just me. No, there's new evidence that make it impossible to convict him, not because they go back together.
@@KaitoMinato the reason the case against Greenwood collapsed wasn’t because the evidence was sketchy, it was because the witness who would have corroborated that evidence dropped out.
United as a community and as an organisation played her part by letting Greenwood go and clear himself in the Judicial system. Making the guy lose his job because he has been acquitted by the courts of laws would be very very uncooth and uncivilised. United would be setting a very very bad precedent. The guy must come back for his job.
manchester united is finally starting to get back to where we belong, i feel the squad dont need anything negative surrounding there ascent , we have enough baggage as it is
The charges were dropped by the CPS, not the victim. That means they don’t have enough admissible evidence to prosecute (that infamous recording would not be admissible in court). Therefore, they can’t prove it. This does not mean he’s innocent…we all heard that tape. He should never play for Utd again.
Personally I think for the image of united and for the world to see that such disgusting behavior will not be tolerated. They should just release him.. if they don't take any serious action, players will think they can get away with nonsense like that. The whole world has to know football has a strong stance on such things. Let him go so that people around the world will know united is a place of standards and ethics..
Impossible for me to condemn Greenwood. I don’t know much about the case. I’ve suffered false allegations by a woman, myself. I know about their dark side. The legal proceedings did nothing to illuminate the case. If there’s doubt, you can’t convict. Or condemn. The guys a football player. Let him play football.
His not a monster his a kid a 21 year old a human being just like you who makes mistakes just like you and who made a mistake and probably needs Counselling on a lot of issues But I don’t think any of us should be self righteous as if we’re perfect and judge others when we ourselves are just bad in other ways You don’t have to kick people when there already down look for ways to help them So they can not be a danger to themselves and others Where would you be without God’s forgiveness have you not offended God with you’re sins and are you not a criminal in the eyes of God who loved you and showed mercy to you by sending his son to save you
Courts do not proceed to hear matters unless the evidence and witnesses are able to establish a reasonable basis for possible prosecution. The matter was never heard in court, no judgement was handed down. If the prosecution were not able to present a reasonable case after well over a year, obviously the charges were unsubstantiated and therefore, inder the law, Greenwood was never found guilty of the charges. If there was positive evidence the matter would have proceeded in court. Trial by media and assumption is despicable
Just because he hasn’t broken the law, doesn’t mean he should keep his job. If anyone conducted themselves in the way he has, they would be fired Immediately from their jobs. Just because he’s a footballer it shouldn’t be any different. It would be a terrible look for united if he carried on playing for them.
@@Ligerpride balance from an influencer's perspective is looking at everything from both sides. U have an opinion, someone out there (ask the girl's dad or herself what she thinks) has an opposite opinion. When u have a platform as big as Mark's, being balanced is accounting for both sides of the argument, regardless of ur own opinion.
@@blaisetenkeu8101 a man doesn't deserve to have his career decimated just to placate the will of a specific person when the man hasn't been found guilty of anything.
@@Ligerpride that’s your opinion, and many share it, but that’s not the point here. I am not disputing that. What I appreciated in Mark’s post was the fact that he balanced his opinion (which is against yours) and the opinion of those who may feel, like you, that he deserves to carry on with his career. Personally, I believe in second chances (that’s just my opinion, but I respect other people’s opinion if contrary to mine). The final decision here won’t be in our hands, ManUtd’s opinion will prevail. That’s the whole point of public debates, opinions can be widely different.
Blaise, well since the girl is now his fiancee and carrying his child, and her dad was always pro-Greenwood. I suspect they would want him back at man utd.
Employment Law has a test of Reasonable Belief. Criminal Law has a test of Beyond Reasonable Doubt. The CPS finally decided they’d never meet the test of criminal law in court. The employer now has to decide if they have a reasonable belief that Greenwood behaved in a way that would wreck their reputation, breaches their values, policies and principles. On that basis they will let him go. Greenwood is entitled to deal with the issues and live his life which needs to include playing professional football. It’s all down to him to rehabilitate himself and I hope he can.
United young players need more off the field support/ guidance its such a huge club, definitely red flags on social media from mason before this occurred and should of been more done from inner circles club/ adults. I feel therapy/ rehabilitation is a next step as a priority.. we all make mistakes some bigger than other but self admission and recognition to want change is so important followed by action before others can even accept anything. long way to go.. s
Dude we all make mistakes but there’s absolutely zero excuse for s-assault and abusing your partner. He’s a flat out scumbag and shouldn’t step on the pitch ever again.
Yes they should, there are young players who could stand for the additional support. Not Greenwood. It's blatantly obvious what has happened here, CPS dropped the case because 'key witnesses dropped out' why, likely because they were paid to shut up... To imply Mason Greenwood deserve's another chance whilst accepting no responsibility is beyond a joke
No chance whatsoever he’ll play for any club in England… sponsors would pull out immediately if they were associating themselves with a club who have a player on their books thats blatantly done what he’s done
Johnny Depp seemed pretty guilty... I bet a certain accuser of his wishes she didn't feces the sleeping spot on the decision to push charges there. 🤣🤣🤣
@@milocunningham9473 imagine you didnt hear the recordings You would say how bad could it be Watch the Netflix series WHEN THEY SEE US the case is somewhat similar
@@milocunningham9473 don’t you think that would be enough to put him behind bars?! New evidence came out as well which could have thrown that out the window
@Manchester United, we have high moral standards and Greenwood doesn't fit in that anymore... also we don't need any distractions in the middle of rebuild. He can play his football elsewhere.
@@eldheimm the two are similar. Like Dave Chapelle said about OJ (probably applies to Greenwood)... "We know what happened, but we didn't know who did it." 😏
@@adhynugroho9424 Oh yeah, Dave Chappelle, the great detective. One is convicted, the other is NOT. That is as far from similar as you can possibly get.
All I will say is he can never put a England shirt on again and don't think he can play in England again. Rival fans and other countries fans will rip him to bits
I agree people should have opinions, it's what makes us human and not robots. Personally I don't want to see him in a United shirt ever again. But it's not up to us, it's up to United now and they have a process which they have to follow which isn't going to affect the brand too much.
No he shouldn’t play for any club. They didn’t have the right stuff for the conviction they were going for. Doesn’t mean he’s innocent…… Think that’s clear with the evidence that everyone’s already seen…
Forget this being about Greenwood, or any footballer. The actual question should be “should the public cancel someone forever when legally they have not been found guilty?”. Because there are far higher profile people with expensive lawyers that evade justice when accused of terrible things. Heads of state, royalty etc. Lots of people would need adding to the cancel list. Either we respect the court of law and treat people accordingly or we don’t. But cancelling some people based on allegations and not others sets a very dangerous precedent also.
she’s not even nearly as rich as him, give up. also he has a fan base; imagine how scary it is you’re not only going against Mason Greenwood himself, your going against an entire fan base.
So if there was enough evidence that the man could be found guilty in court and then was proven innocent by the court, this would, in your eyes make him more innocent than if there was no case to begin with
@@daniyalkaleem26 Na he’s saying because the case got dropped there is clearly interference. Where as if she testified and it came out not guilty it’s a more put through the fire type test. Regardless court of public opinion knew what he was when them voice notes leaked but for his own sake he would of been better proving his innocence through a court but because she dropped it it comes across as he knew he was f’d if she didn’t interfere. That’s what I got from it
@@daniyalkaleem26 people are just wierd I recommend they watch this film on netflix the situation is a bit similar When they see us Man after that no recording or picture mean anything
People will say he paid them off. What kind of a person would accept a pay off to let a person live with such a thing for their life and let him get away with it. And allegedly they’re back together? Come on. If he did do it they wouldn’t be simple as
I think that's too much it's horrible and disgusting what he did but he was just 19-20 and football is the only thing he knows to never let him play again is kinda as bad as anything else everyone deserves a second chance he's just a kid
Yes he'll play again, mabe for utd mabe someone else but with his talent and age he's worth millions in transfer fees, and utd are a business so there not going to just cut him loose, would i like him back? Yes , I thought he was one of our best players before all this so an interesting few months ahead
The fact this is even a debate is shocking , he could be the next Ronaldo for all I care. If he wasn't a footballer with lots of money and lots of protection he'd be either in prison or in and out of hospital for the remainder of his life, the amount of evidence is astounding and the fact he breached his bail conditions by contacting the victim and then a few months later the victim coincidentally withdraws? Get him as far away from this club as possible and any other clubs for that matter.
Nobody and nobody should be bigger than the United Kingdom Judicial System. If the guy is exornorated by the Judicial System he should be rehabilitated and allowed to compete for a place in the united team. Denying him a chance tantamounts to double jopady to Greenwood, and a vote of no confidence to the British Judicial System.
He’s such a good footballer, such a bad person. I don’t think it is possible for the world of football to forget what he did. And it’s pretty clear he did it. If he would ask for forgiveness society could forgive. But that has basically never happened because it would involve him admitting to his guilt! That’s what it would take
@@pamelajessup7931 I would want to take the care to court to prove my innocence and clear my name. Every watched a police interrogation? Your average human who didn't commit what they are accused of will be happy that it can go to court and be eager to prove why they're being wrongly accused, offering to show CCTV and get other people involved to support their case.
It would be an insult to women and civil society in Britain if the kid pulls on a red shirt again after those recordings and images. Being a top flight professional footballer is, regardless of your talent, dedication and work-ethic, an immense privilege. There is a minimal level of decency required - basically don't be a woman beating criminal. That's all you have to do. He blew his chance to become a big name for Man Utd and England.
no. there it is easy i’m taking that voice recordings as enough evidence i don’t care if the court thinks he’s innocent even if he comes back it would take. months for him to be back to full fitness
@@joekavanagh7171 of course not he is indeed innocent until proven guilty this is just my opinion the court isn’t always right we can’t do anything about that but just accepting that he’ll go back to playing football is stupid i’m so much ways
That's what I thought. He hasn't spouted any of the facts like the video or the witness went back to Greenwood. Man United are doing their own investigation.
