Should Schools Digitally Track How Long Kids Are In the Bathroom? 

This is conditioning for when they’re factory workers.

I was a teacher for 9.5 years. It always astonished me how many teachers willingly withhold bathroom privileges for students. My policy, ya say you need to go-then go. If your classroom is engaging kids tend not to want to leave. Stupid policies like this do nothing to actually help improve education and just funnel school resources to big tech companies. What a total waste of time and money. Maybe stop doing this crap and use that money to build more classrooms and pay teachers more.

I honestly believe my bladder issues were caused from being denied to go to the rest room in public school because "I should have made time in between classes". We only had five minutes to get our books and go across the school to the next class. I could never make it in time and if you have three or more tardies in a class they reduceed you a grade letter.

Funny how so many restrictions are being put on the children but nothing on external threats

Part of this is because of parents. The crazy ones to be specific. So many parents ask me to track their kids’ bathroom breaks and admin makes me do it. It takes so much time out of my day because I have to write down when they went, when they came back and parents want me to let them go even when I’m in the middle of teaching (which is incredibly distracting for everyone). On the flip side, I once had a kid who went 6+ times a day. Insisted that it was an emergency every time. Mom and dad came into the school and demanded that I be fired because it was October of second grade and their kid couldn’t write yet. I brought up her bathroom breaks because there were so many and she often missed about an hour of school everyday. I had to produce a time sheet of her bathroom breaks (there was on in the back of their agendas admin made us use - and thank goodness in this one case). They still demanded that I should be fired but they had no grounds so they just made my life hell for the year hoping I’d go on stress leave… That was the same year we came back from COVID (2020-2021 school year). And people wonder why teachers are at their limits. Point is, parents made bathrooms an issue and the schools had to respond…

This is a bad idea. There's a world of different reasons why kids dip to use the bathroom, ranging from a simple three to five minute leaking to more convoluted reasons like a serious bout of diarrhea or period-related reasons.

The concept of hallpasses itself is a weird concept for where I'm from. If a student needs to use the bathroom, it's not such a complicated issue that we need documentation to approve it. It's weird.

"When the school isn't culturally ready" You mean they're not ready to treat the school like a prison? To treat students like criminals?

Its just preparing the kids for what life will be like when they grow up and work for Amazon.

Not to mention some kids might need a quiet moment to collect themselves and get through the day. Let people have their privacy, and yes, that includes kids.

I wonder if they are also tracking menstrual cycles & sell that data to the bounty hunters in TX & other states that restrict abortion? Or if that's part of how they plan to make money from this...

No school should not be doing that because kids are not slaves

That's an invasion of privacy. Much like some adults in the workplace, some kids and college students have bowel movements. They should be more concerned with hiring more honest-to-goodness teachers rather than tracking kids for how long they're in a school bathroom.

Just preparing students for the new dystopian work environment where going to the bathroom is a sin against the allmight executives' profit margins.

this guy's rant was awesome

So, here's the thing: there's a whole thing about instructional minutes...states often require a certain amount of instructional minutes. AND administrators often are intensely watching to make sure that teachers are meeting them...leads into these atrocious kinds of efforts.

So anyone with IBS or Krohn's disease is just not worthy: got it

I have IBS, this stuff scares me. People with GI chronic illnesses need to have easy access to a bathroom with no scrutiny.

Great now there's a school to Amazon pipeline.

Have they even considered that if you have a predator working in your school this will let them know where and when someone is alone. This is very creepy.

"School to prison pipeline? We have better: school *is* prison."

The concept of making school not just about education but about life skills. But no the powers that be concentrated on control and containment. If you make learning accessible and interesting you might just reach a majority of the students. But as usual the powers that be spend money on things that have little to do with education or the needs of the students. For information on what students and teachers need try asking them and not spending money on consultants who take your money and tell you either the things the students and teachers have already told you or they wasted you time and money just to suck up to the powers that be.

That sounds like a great idea. Get the kids ready for corporate America

Tracking how long they spend in the bathroom is something Amazon would do. Don't be like Amazon. Not to mention how creepy it is too

I remember my sociology lecturer saying how schools simply train you to be a worker. From school to the warehouse the worker is told when to eat, piss and shit by the sound of a bell.

This is just asking for kids to give this hall pass a swirly lol.

What’s with the toilet obsession in the us

HS Teacher in MN here. We use a system called E-HallPass to do just this. It's ridiculous. You cannot learn if your basic needs aren't met. Having to piss or take care of business when it's inconvenient for the class = basic need, whether teachers like it or not.

Wasteful spending.

I am happy I live in a country that is oblivious to this kind of stuff. I am 57 yrs old and only recently found out what these hall passes are, they are talking about in the movies. Here there are no hall passes and during lunch hour students often leave school campus to buy snacks in a nearby store (or to cause some shenanigans in the neighborhood, who nows… 😁) American children and teenagers are constantly supervised. It’s cringe.

if only they could track the gun threats....

America's schools seem to be reverting back to 1984

Our school (teacher) has a sign out system where I have to write down when the students leave and when they come back, because of a tiktok challenge where they set the trash cans in the bathroom on fire (yes the fire alarm was triggered) and because the pee on the floor and put excriment on the walls. If you have a better solution for this problemplease let me know!! None of us teachers likes this monitoring but we haven't found a good alternative yet. ( PS: We don't have enough staff to check the bathrooms during class nor do we want video cameras in the halls)

Sounds like Amazon

Wasting time in school is part of being a kid. Deal with it, schools. This is ridiculous.

No. Nope. In every way no!

They're training these kids for Amazon jobs.

Every school should have two hours of mandated day dreaming.

Some people just take longer shits! Get over it and move on. " Hey teacher, leave them kids alone"

In 4th grade I was gone to the bathroom too long and was given the punishment of picking up garbage at recess because of it. Later at recess Two other kids who were also picking up trash started attacking me with metal pipes they took from a unfinished soccer goal. I spun my trash bag in defense until the yard duties came and broke it up. In the principals office I was told I could have been expelled if I had had prior infractions. All because I had to shit and the teacher thought I took too long.

Maybe we should monitor our politicians

Oh hell no. This is suppose to a place of learning, not a goddamn corrections building. What next? Put ankle bracelets on the kids to make sure they get to class on time? People always trying to find a way to control every asset of a child's life and then wonder why they grow hating authority. Perhaps they can put more funding into the cafeteria, so kids won't need much time to get that trash out their system.

Something that didn’t occur to the 3 men covering the story: girls often take longer in the bathroom for multiple valid reasons. Sitting down to pee takes longer than whipping it out at a urinal. And menstruating means a longer bathroom trip as well. This system could potentially discriminate against people with uteruses.

I'm not in school anymore but if oI was I'd just break the pass or hang it on the class door on my way out. Protest these underfunded schools won't be able to replace them and good luck on them proving you broke it purposely.

The last word in the last post was supposed to be love not live. In the life of jesus he didn't look down or respond to people with anger or disdain he made efforts to enrich the people around him. He also forgave those who wronged him. For example Judas and this part will get some Christians up in arms. Jesus forgave Judas for his betrayal not just because that was who jesus was but because jesus knew that Judas was fulfilling his destiny which was set by God. The death of jesus happened exactly how it was destined to be. But back to the subject it is man who changes the narrative because God gave people free will and he did that because he wanted his children to love him and do right because they chose to not because he made them. Somehow the Republican politicians and the others have switched the narrative where good became bad and bad became good. For instance any programs that help people and their lives is seen as 'bad' in other words socialism. And the only people deemed worthy of help are the multimillion and multibillion dollar corporations and the richest people. They are in turn only obligated to pass on the wealth to the politicians and those who help keep that system in place. In the area of corporations getting what they want is a bipartisan effort. Although that is the most that the corporate Democrats do wrong in the grand scheme of things. Other than that the Democrats at least try to make sure people don't lose their civil rights and try to do the right thing mostly.

Let's not by pass the fact that it said that it can turn on a live feed. Would you be ok with the live feed being turned on while your child is in the restroom?

Omg, what? This sounds like a workaround for large classrooms in which the students can't be monitored naturally by a live teacher. THAT'S the reason it's bad. The privacy paranoia surrounding the tool is just a distraction from the fact that we aren't doing what it takes to ensure adequate numbers of skilled, qualified teachers in our public schools. It's always easier to get one-time funding for new tech than it is to get an increase in funding for sustained, ongoing expenses like labor. I guarantee someone sold this to administrators as a "cost-cutting" measure that would make it easier to "safely manage" large numbers of students with fewer faculty.

I am from Uruguay and in our country in schools and high schools you just ask to go to the bathroom and that is enough it’s just to notify the Teacher and nobody is controlling we’re the f you are

Yes, it’s important to train future slaves/drones…er I mean kids what employment/adult life will mostly likely be in their future…..

I'm a teacher, it doesn't sound ideal, but bathrooms are a big issue. My school has almost 2000 kids and only about 10 bathrooms. It gets crazy crowded. Also, some bathrooms get reputations for being the fighting bathroom, or the smoking bathroom. And when you're trying to handle 30 kids in a classroom, its hard to pay attention to who is out and for how long.

In scandinavia nobody has hallpasses... u just ask to go to the bathroom and then u come back like a normal person.

TechnoFascism

Are you kidding me? No!

"Hall omniscience": the most unimpressive superpower.

Problem: If Johnny has a full-sized glass of Coke at lunch and his next class is 20 feet from the next boys toilet, at what time will Johnny ask to be let out of class to go to the toilet? How long will he take to urinate?

Must be GOP schools

So being constipated is a suspension now?

Schools have cameras ...and security nice jokes

We didn't have hall passes in Australia. So I'd always imagined that a hall pass was a piece of paper that got binned after it had been used, (or perhaps a piece of cardboard - like a business card - that named the student and the particular times they could be out of class). I never dreamt that it would be a piece of wood kids would have to take to the lavatory with them. 🤢

No, they should not! As a child I had bowel issues that had me on the toilet for 30 minutes at a time, 2 to 4 times a day (but once or twice during school hours). My teachers used to give me so much grief just for using the bathroom, over something I couldn't help.

How eager are we really to usher in 1984? We really don’t want a free society, where humans have dignity, do we?

Teachers can't leave 28+ students unattended to go check for 1 student who was out of class over 10mins. Admin needs to monitor the halls but they would rather pay for this app than hire people.

Train them young to be cogs in the machine... What ever happened to letting kids be kids? I snuck around during bathroom breaks and I turned out fine...

Lot of ignorance on show in this piece and the comments. Tracking does not always mean putting a dot on a map, and this system is just making digital what could already be done with memory or paper. It just makes it easier on both students and teachers to handle hall passes, and lets staff that see students outside of a classroom check their app without bothering the student to find out if they are allowed to be there.

The breakfast club and other films of the era the heros were the kids in the hall. The waste of money is criminal

You know what they do in the uk? Stick your hand up, ask to go, you leave to go pee. NO HALL PASS.

My school never had hall passes. We had very few problems.

Wtf this is creepy 😳

Ultimately, it's up to the parents as to whether or not they will allow their children to become the unwilling property of the state. I would never allow this to be done to my child.

This sh@it would be in the trash.

This is a slippery slope that leads down to police states.

Fvck no.

I recently came across your channel and I thought it was pretty informative, but honestly this video completely discredited you. Do your research, you're journalists! Did you even talk to a teacher? This is an incredibly tone deaf piece tbh. It presumes either teachers are assholes who want to surveil students or we're incompetent. This video autoplayed and I had to double check that I wasn't somehow watching a reactionary conservative channel, my goodness. Do you know how much behavioral paperwork and outreach a teacher has to do on top of lesson planning, assessment tracking, etc? A tool that's honestly no more invasive than a pen an paper comes along that would make our lives easier and you make us out to be *villians* in response? If you'd spent any time in a classroom these days you'd know there's not much we can do for kids who abuse the bathroom system. You've got a kid who asks to go every day and leaves for 20 minutes? Sure call home. Parents don't/can't do anything about it. And you can't deny the kid from going, that'd be cruel. If you try to deny them they change their tune the next day to, "Ms. I got my period can I go to the nurse," or "I don't feel well can I go to the nurse," and there's like 3 pandemics going on so you can't say no. If you get guidance or a dean involved they can't do much either, there's 1 of them for every 500 students, they're busy. Hall monitors can't stop them because they have a valid pass. And you're saying teachers should just get the respect of the students and this wouldn't happen? That's offensive bull crap. I can have the respect of a student and they'll still pull this crap because they can't make good decisions, they're 16. I wish they could just make better decisions, but the decision making part of your brain doesn't fully develop until 25 yrs old. Kids literally can't always make the best decisions for themselves. (and yes even high school kids).

On the fence on this one - there needs to be control of movement to prevent mischief. But this would provide more information than necessary. It could be used to predict and track a girl's period. Who gets access to this? Why can't they just use hall cameras?

yeah god forbid school employees just do their jobs, and just stop kids from roaming the halls instead of buying a super-expensive tracking app instead of school supplies so teachers won't have to.

Why aren't you addressing the real problem it's guns stop already period ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Wow, just like Charlie Chaplin in *_Modern Times_* . . . ?

Maybe active shooter, ACTIVE SHOOTER drills scare the crap out of kids

Land of the free ?

Those damn comy chinese! Whats that, its the US? MURCIA NUMBER ONE!!

This is literally a data sheet just in case teachers somehow forget about the kid that they gave permission to go to the bathroom 3 minutes ago. How is a data sheet going to save kids from an armed shooter? But at least we got hall control 🤦‍♂️.

We used this in my high school, it’s honestly not that bad. Because the old system we used, people would take advantage of “using bathroom” bc people would be gone for 15-30 minutes at a time. It’s also used for other things besides using the bathroom.

How long before schools implement the six sigma management style of Amazon? Get your TAKT time up kids, those questions won't fill themselves in, now answer answer answer! To get anyone interested in learning anything, you need to make it relatable. Play to a student's interests, and know that those may be all different.

I have a disease called interstitial cystitis which is a bladder condition. I’m very sensitive toward kids who have bathroom issues. I NEVER say no to kids going to the bathroom but I do develop a level of trust so I can discern who is probably wandering or who is being truthful. I try to make my class a place that kids don’t want to escape from.. I also let them know if they need a breather they can go take a five minute walk and come right back or go wash their face or whatever. However this system would make me feel a lot better knowing where they’re all at. With the teacher shortage class sizes are getting larger and larger. It’s extremely difficult to know where all your kids are at if they’re going in and out Willy Nilly for different periods of time. If I let 1 of my 30+ kids go to the bathroom and they’re gone 20 minutes and the office calls for them to check out and I say “they’re in the bathroom” and they really aren’t in there or if I say “umm I’m not sure where they are”, the parent will say I’m irresponsible for not knowing where their child is and for making them wait to check out their kid. If you’re not a teacher you don’t know everything that goes into it. If one of my students says they’re going to the bathroom and I look at this app or whatever and see they’ve been gone 45 minutes there might be a problem.. I implore any of you to come and be a teacher for a week and see how stressful it is being responsible for the lives of 30+ kids and being held responsible for there whereabouts

This other channel I stumbled on to today because of TYT will say they're not news and they're just RU-vidr's and I assure you they will not cover this or offer their own opinion it. With that being said.. This is absolutely ridiculous. Authoratarian introductory 101 but let the power that be let you think gay kids and trans kids are the problem

yea that's creepy. I am really feeling bad for kids these days. The are told what they are allowed to read or not read, when they can go to the loo and for how long... I mean, sheesh!

Its going to prepare them for the real world of scab labour in a Scamazon wharehouse where they famuosly started the trend of timing bathroom use. I experienced the same when I worked in the worst job I ever had which was a beef slaughterhouse. Im 54, I wish I could pee like a young man!

I attended a private Christian highschool (which doesn’t exist anymore, thank Satan), and when I first started there, I noticed that students just got up and left the class when they wanted to use the restroom. Teachers didn’t even bother stopping students. Eventually I got on-board, and it was nice to just be allowed to get up and go when I have to. It even made me value the things I was missing more.

If it sounds like something a sat morning cartoon villain would say it, don’t recommend the policy

This would have been horrible for me in school. As a child I had stomach issues and was told many times that I was lying. I wasn't diagnosed with Chris until my colon perferated after my third child was born at the age of 31. It was horrible for me growing up bc I was not believed. I was always suffering bc the teachers wouldn't let me go to the bathroom when I needed to. Bc when I did go I was in there a long time. And they thought I was just trying to get out of class.

When I was a school bus driver, I got reprimanded for writing up a student that was vaping on the bus.

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime, that's why I poop on company time

Even in the past of asking for a hall pass or asking for permission to use the bathroom should be considered a human rights violation. I shouldn't have to ask permission for a basic bodily function.

in the early 1970s I asked a teacher if I could use the restroom, they said "NO" and then I said I will piss on the floor then. I then walked out and went to the bathroom. I never asked again. If I had to go, I went. If the teacher or schooled wanted to claim I didnt go or wasnt allowed to, then they had to prove I did not go. They never said a word after that to me

What? Just have them sign out the time they leave and if they cut class, they'll be caught on the cameras. Waste of money.

I'm a teacher. My school has an computerized sign out system to use the restroom that tracks their time. But it doesn't track the student's movement

If I was the president and if the schools are doing this. I would send the military and arrest the school administration

Oh hell no that’s weird odd and a complete invasion of personal privacy and illegal

Well my granddaughter went to the bathroom at school all day.. She would literally hang out with her friends and not go back to class.. She was in 1st grade

As a teacher at a school where this is used, I can say their take is incorrect. I basically just set up a pass to go wherever the kids want to go and approve it. It doesn't have a GPS component or anything. As soon as they're out of my classroom I have no idea where they actually are. They could say they're going to the bathroom and run to meet their friend instead. It does know all the passes in the school at one time so you don't accidentally send 5 kids to the library when it already has 30 kids. I mark when they get back myself. It keeps track of how many passes I have given to a single student, but if you're paying attention you already know what kids are abusing the passes. TLDR it's not as bad as they made it out to be, it tracks number of passes not students.