Should Tua Tagovailoa play for the Dolphins without a new contract? | NFL | SPEAK 

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Tua wasn't lighting the league on fire before Tyreek + McDaniel, but which QB could when dealing with the worst offensive line in several years, no running game support (Myles Gaskin at RB1, not good enough to get 1 single snap from any other team after his rookie contract), league bottom WR separation, a WR room missing its starters the vast majority of his starts, and 3 offensive coordinators in his first 2 seasons? Tua's WR1 was Parker who started just 10 games that Tua started over those first 2 seasons. Hurns at WR2 was on IR all of 2020 and retired afterward. Albert Wilson at WR3 was on IR all 2020 and started 5 total games in 2021. So outside rookie Waddle in 2021, Tua was throwing to several WRs who were done in the league within 3 years. The other 2 exceptions were Jakeem Grant (9 receptions with Chicago in 2021 after being traded mid-season, not resigned afterward) and Mack Hollins (on his 3rd team in 3 seasons since leaving Miami in 2021, with 18 catches for Atlanta last year). Not a single QB would excel in that environment, to say nothing of the head coach trying to sabotage him for two years. That said, Tua's worst season still ended with 2 wins more than losses. Since then the O-Line has gotten better starting talent, and Tua has looked great when they're healthy. Tua has shown when he has serviceable blocking and missing one or two of his key playmakers (Tyreek/Waddle/Mostert/Achane), he can still win games authoritatively. He has also shown (along with basically every other QB ever) that when the line can't protect him, he looks a lot worse and his stats and chances of winning both drop noticably.

Shady ended this video with so much disrespect lol

James Need More Air Time Bruh

I disagree with Shady. He’s like “let’s not forget what he looked like” but why are we acting like Tua wasn’t a baller in college? Dude almost won the Heisman, but was set back by a gruesome injury. He’s a great QB regardless of what they think 💪🏽

Acho murdered shady on this topic

Just because he "shouldn't play without a contract" it doesn't mean the contract has to be for a delusional amount.

When they say who was Tua before hill and waddle they never mention his weapons. Salvon almed, Patrick laird, Lynn Bowden, Malcom perrry, Durham smythe, Mack hollins and Isaiah ford. Most qb would look average with these as your best players not all but most.

Joy showed that family pride 😂

Hate this narrative that tua wasn’t good before mcdaniels and hill. Meanwhile tua had like a 13-3 record and dolphins pre Mcdaniels were like 0-9 without tua.

Why do Shaddy always saying before HILL and MCDANIEL. So was Josh Allen before Diggs. So is Herbert, and they keep changing coach thinking that's the issue. So was Tervor before the current coach and his weapons....and So on

What they are also failing to mention once you pay him that $50 million it’s gonna be harder to pay their other top athletes and then they are gonna have to rely on Tua to carry that team with lesser talent cuz they can’t afford to pay other players.. and Tua ain’t good enough to carry a team like that

I love Tua he’s a good quarterback 🧡🩵💯🐬

Shady and JJ hit it on this one IMO. Tua and TLaw should be very happy with 40-45 mil a yr. They dont deserve the big boy contracts and need the pieces around them.

I noticed that Tua gets alot of criticism. I expect the sane for herbert, zack Wilson, kirk cousins. I can go on.

Joy looking irresistible😊

I have a budget for a car….. I ain’t overpaying Mercedes prices for a Toyota

Why can’t Tua just get a reasonable contract. He for sure doesn’t deserve to be the next highest player player. But at the same time he’s done a lot for the dolphins and Mike McDaniels seems to like him. Not every QB deserves a contract like what Goff got

Tua struggled vs teams over .500 last year

I'm sorry, but Tua HAS proven himself in the cold. Not the -27 degree cold maybe, but look at how he played in the buffalo snow ball. There were 3 perfectly thrown missed catches in the end zone. If any of those were caught or we didn't give up 17 yards on a 3rd down, we win that game. He has answered EVERYTHING that people knocked him for. Is anyone still talking about arm strength? No one except the most extreme Tua haters. Can't stay healthy? Does it. Can't win a playoff game? Can't win the division? That's coming this year. Just watch. Enough with this Tua hate.

0:35 Yes Shady. You are tripping. Like always. If you wanna discredit Tua for being a regular QB then you have to discredit Hurts because he looked regular before AJ Brown 😂

Tua has done more for his team than Justin Herbert.

Y'all can't get your facts straight. Nobody tried to trade Tua but Flo. GM and owner have been fully behind Tua the whole time. If you thought Tua was average then you didn't pay attention to details.

Well according to Joy's logic JUS YESTERDAY. He should get paid. He's the next one up

Having injury history is even more reason to maximize your money smh these talking heads trippin

He doesn’t deserve a long term deal.

Tua will get paid. I don't think he should hold out for what it's worth. If Tua isn't paid and he plays, every good game he gets (and we know how good the Dolphins are in the first half of the season) will increase that value

Hard to look anything other than average when your head coach doesn't want you and keeps you hamstrung.

I hate when people speak on things they don't know about. 1. Tua was supposed to redshirt his rookie season cause he was coming off that nasty hip injury. 2. He had no receivers running backs or offensive his first year, and a rookie jaylen Waddle his 2nd. 3. His coach hated him, which is why he's not there anymore. 4. He played every game last year, so he was healthy 5. Tua has gotten better every year I'm not a Tua stan, I wish we would've gotten Lamar over Minkah in the draft, but give Tua credit. Stop dismissing everything he does. Patrick Mahomes sat his first year and had Andy Reid(Shadys goat coach), Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce. You don't think that accelerated his growth as a QB, he couldn't even read a defense. Imagine Mahomes first season playing he was coming off injury and had a bad coach and no weapons like Tua had his rookie season. (I'm not saying Tua is a better QB)

Lol in the Playoff game that they are bashing Tua for Mahomes also looked like garbage but he was playing against a fully injured defense while Tua had to play against a top 2 defense. The conditions just weren’t good for football overall. The score looked bad 26-7 but the actual product was terrible, from both teams. We just forgot how Mahomes looked because they eventually went on to win the Super Bowl but that boy was 23-41, 266 yards, 1 TD. Tua was 19-39, 199 yards and 1 TD. Be so real dawg.

I love it when people count other people's pockets hopefully when McCoy comes up for his next contract at speak I hope they make him take less money I know he'll be glad to do it

Shady always against players getting payed Tua, Justin Herbert,Dak

Tua has done special things. Remember coming back against the ravens after being down 3 or four tds to win the game???? I'd say that was special. Over 400 yards and six tds to add to it. Tua is a solid qb

Nobody is saying Tua shouldnt get paid....they saying he should get Cousins type money...not Mahones type money

Shady is the master of the evolving argument. lol..

0:35 while I don’t think Tua should be overpaid, I also think it’s such a paradoxical argument to say a QB isn’t good because they have weapons. Thats the point of team building and player development

Can't pay him top money...just get a reliable backup quarterback and hope we can squeeze into the play-offs

Maybe McCoy should critique McCoy. He was in back-to-back SB and never played a down.😂

It’s time for everyone to admit that Justin had a great rookie season and has not had much sense to show for it. TLAW is a good QB why not pay him. Same with Tua. Shady acts like these qbs don’t need a good team around them. Not everyone is Tom, Patrick or Joe. Be realistic bruh.

Lamar did, won MVP and it worked out for him..

Shady saying he was regular before Tyreek and before McDaniel needs to look at the situation. Tua had a head coach that hated him. Season one he tried to sabotage Tua by playing him before he was fully recovered from the hip injury. Flores basically destroyed the kids confidence by playing then benching him for Fitz multiple times in a season. They also gave him THREE offensive coordinators in his first two seasons. He still had a winning record and is the only quarterback to NEVER lose to a Bill Belichick coached team.

With due respect. McCoy wasn't all that to be talking about others. You had 6 1000 yd seasons, but only had 2 seasons with double digit rushing TDs.

The games played to win games. Tuas Won games even on bad teams, Shady don't know what he talkin about. Also Tua showed more processing before McDaniel got there. These guys sooo clueless. Tua had nothing to work with and 4 different Offensive coordinators before McDaniel got there.

I usually like Shady but come on now Tua was always known as a very accurate QB even before he got Tyreek and Waddle he just came into the league hurt thats why he didnt look as good Shady!!

Dak went 13-3 in his rookie year, Acho said only Patrick and Lamar had great rookie years, how do these people get on TV 📺 distorting the facts every day

Acho stay givin shady his props 😂

Shady just lost a friend vehemently bashing his neighbor. Acho was making his points with facts, and it just enraged this guy.

if you are getting rid of Tua, who are you getting in return? he’s gonna get picked up by a desperate organization and probably win with him too. name all the QBs before Tua, a bunch of bums. only a few QBs in this year’s upcoming draft will be franchise QBs 1. Tua needs to be glad he has a job and not ask for so much money that others won’t be able to get. think about your teammates. 2. The Dolphins proving why they are currently a poverty franchise

Shady is a hater. Josh Allen was trash until 14 showed up. Herbert got numbers early but not wins. Burrow had one good year with Chase and company. Go roll Tua's tape before Tyreek he's still accurate, didn't throw many picks and won games.

Get ya money, we the fans, so loyalty is our job.

Hugs to u all!!!

and I love it when all these commentators talk about his tool can stay healthy no quarterback can stay healthy when he's got defensive lineman slamming his head to the turf in a wrestling move like the Bengals did and Milano in the Buffalo Bill game pushed Tua down after the ball was gone and it should have been called a roughing the passer but for some people they don't get that call Brady would.. but not them

He's on same page as Lawrence. He should make more then Lawrence but less then goff. Same with dak.

Conveniently none of them mentioned that Tua has also been in the MVP conversation for part of the season the last two years also. Also, when they talk about, who was he before Tyreek Hill Tyreek has had career high numbers being with the Dolphins. Again, career high numbers. The most yards he had before playing with Tua was 1,479. His first season with Tua he got 1,710 and last season he got 1,799.

The only thing I don't like about shady's pre McDaniels and tyreke hill argument is that this doesn't take into account that Tua was still a young developing qb and he was playing for a coach that was a defensive guy. So I don't think he was getting the best out of tua.

Shady n Acho are both haters and changes there view because the producers say too. But Acho has big time hate for Hurts and it shows. How every Tua needs to have a reasonable contract ie Kyler Murry level or range any more then that cripples the dolphins and will have too hit on all picks, trades, free agents coming this year with minimum contract cost. Any higher then what is stated with security players in place then your dolphins are doomed before even getting started

Tua need to Honor his contract 5 year and prove ur self to earn the pay you are looking for period 🤬🙏

Shady wasn't all that. He was just a average running back and nothing else. So stop ✋️ it. 😮

People forget they fired Brian Flores because he didnt want to break rules and he didn't want Tua.

Cool don’t get greedy when the Super Bowl ask for whatever you want. Bring Miami a Super Bowl. I’ve been waiting since 86.😊

Josh had 29 total TDs in his second season and made the playoffs at 10-6 then had an MVP caliber season in his third year and went to the AFC championship Acho has no idea what he's talking about as usual...

Sometimes with a contract it’s more about the business and fans. Teams just with to sell march, tickets, get TV times maybe get a home playoff game, some of these players are popular with the fans.

They left out two many things that went against the young man like 3 different offensive coordinators that's 3 different offensive systems

More James!!

If Tua can get a Kirk Cousins contract offer he should take it and be happy.

Tua is in a good system with lots of weapons. Leverage is a tricky thing.

But when it's Dak and The Cowboys it's a problem huh?.. " I agree with Shady"

Explorer options...is smart

What makes the dolphins situaion sticky is that the weapons you built around Tua are only going to be here for 1-2 years MAX. In the time it would take to develop another QB to work in that system, the system will already have to be overhauled. McDaniel should be the coach for the Dolphins the next 6+ years, but even if he gets paid Tua's got that same 2 year window to get them to a championship game before they need to overhaul and let Mike cook up a new system.

Why pay ahead on an uncertain injury future. Man is not fifty million a year. Sitting out of everything till season start is a recipe to get injured

Tua had prove that he can roll with the best of them .

Exactly Acho! The staff matters! Name a current young QB who's been great without a good coach? Lamar / Harbaugh...Pat / Reid...Purdy / Shannahan ... Hurts / Siriani ... Love / LaFleur ... Burrow / Taylor etc. The QB's that struggle have coaches who aren't equipped to help that player reach his true potential (defensive minded with no real experience developing a QB). I honestly think that's why Josh hasn't taken the next step. Losing Dabol was huge! McDermott is not a QB whisperer. Draft the talent...then have a coach who can truly coach them up and develop them. Sometimes QB's can be saved with a coaching change ... look at the jump Trevor made with Pederson. Why do you think Herbert has faded? Why has Kyler not continued to progress? Coaching matters, and FLO wasn't "him" either.

"Josh Allen was not good his first 3 seasons" By his 3rd season he was 2nd in MVP voting.

The carpeting that Nick does for Lawrence is wild especially compared to how he approaches someone like Hurts.

"put another qb in there" lets see how did they do when teddy 2 gloves and skylar started?

Marino was super special and couldn't win because he didn't have the complete team. If Marino couldn't do it. No one can.

Tua should definitely play. People say it’s bad for teams to wait too long to extend someone because that someone may ball out on their last year and be entitled to an expensive contract. This is Tua’s one opportunity to prove he’s the franchise QB and get paid big.

Yes who would’ve known a QB got better with good receivers and a coach that put him in a system that fits his skill set wow how terrible that player must be

11:40 Finally somebody said it. I LOVED Flores. Black coach! I wanted to support him but he wasn't the best fit here. Tua was always good

You’d think a great like shady would know that almost every qb would need help around them. Tua had almost nobody around him the first 2 years including coaching. I guess we could say Josh Allen should’ve taken a pay cut.

He not that dude

Why does everyone forget Coach Flores didn’t want Tua so he didn’t play Tua then the GM tried to get Sean Payton and Tom Brady that fell through they get a new coach and Tyreek and Tua been ballin ever since

The fascination with Justin Herbert, who haven’t done nothing is crazy

If Tua doesn't play, he'll never see the field again. Mike White will prove he can do just as well, if not better. Tua has a long injury history, if Miami gives him a guaranteed contract, then they'll deserve what they get when he goes down.

That’s not fair to throw Burrow in there to say he wasn’t a really good QB before he got Chase. It’s imperative that you emphasize that Burrow was hurt that year. We DID NOT QUESTION Burrow’s ability! Not the same!

Majority of the players in that offense his first 2 years aren’t even in the league anymore

James talkin dat shii 💯💯

Tua will win Superbowl watch

Tua 32-19 as a starter, 8 game winning drives. Tua was more of a comeback artist in his early years, he's lost it lately I feel because of Mcdaniels complicated offense he has to think more. Hopefully he loses the playsheet wristband and calls his own plays this year

Why is Acho alway jocking McCoy? We all know Shady's resume, dont need it repeated every show 😂

Shady forgets tua got waddle in 2021 and improved

Love Tua, but i think he shouldnt expect a large payment. Also Tua had one season without Waddle and it was his rookie year

You’re concerned about “how they play the game around him…”?? What about how HE plays??

Tua literally played games without tyreek last year did he not? lol

Patrick Mahomes really screwing up current Franchise QB expectations with his results and team friendly contract

“Everybody get your money, we happy for you”….except Daniel Jones. For him we protest every chance we get. “He does not deserve to get his money”

Tom Brady didn't push for the biggest contract, he's the example. Look what's happened to guys who get huge contracts.

Being a Phinfan for 35 years!!!! I'm not content making the play-offs that's the problem with the franchise it should be Super Bowl champions or nothing. Pay Tua and get home field advantage for the play-offs!

All I know is I’ve been a fan since Marino. Had to live thru Cleo lemon, John beck, Matt Moore , ray lucas, Aj freaking feely! Tua the best since Marino. Pay that man. Fins up!

Every QB is a system QB. Some can carry a team to wins with talent, but without the right team around them and a system that fits their game they will fail. Tua has all that on offense.