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Should Wales Celebrate Grand Slam? and other woke questions. 

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The Welsh are as likely to #woke up as anyone else, even including myself sometimes. So, why does nobody in Wales #MeToo or LGBT ever have a problem with the BBC TV film #GrandSlam? Should we celebrate it or deconstruct it like 'Delilah'?
From my white privilege position, it seems to celebrate objectification and harrassment of #women and #stereotype gays as posturing enablers. And in this video I don't even touch on the stereotyping of the Welsh! Just sayin.
And Sharon Morgan? Phowooooooaar!
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@danieljones3955
@danieljones3955 3 года назад
This film captures a moment in our history perhaps THE best Welsh comedy film of all time, go the whole hog mog lol, had privilege yo meet Sion great guy and actor
@Klaaarke
@Klaaarke 3 года назад
Gotta say I find it an odd experience. It captures that childish, boys on tour feeling that any male sports team fan knows well. And I guess that is n 1978 a fun, larger than life portrayal of the Welsh was a big deal. But It doesn't quite do it for me
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
Why has this film never been deconstructed like Tom Jones song 'Delilah'? Is John Hefin's Grand Slam a Welsh sacred cow? If so, does this point to a hypocrisy amoung the Welsh woke? Or am I reading it wrong? Questions! Questions!
@Shindai
@Shindai 3 года назад
Delilah was deconstructed? Seems unnecessary to me. There are a TON of songs about killing someone, it doesn't always (it does sometimes, such as Marylin Manson recently being revealed to be abusive in disturbing ways) mean the singer is glorifying or justifying violence against women. It's not like Baby It's Cold Outside, if you take it as a song of its time, it means one thing, judging it by modern standards it's very different. I think "what's in this drink" was at the time a collquialism when you heard a bad idea, like they were drunk and thinking wonkily (if memory serves) But through a modern lens, without familiarity with the slang used in the 40s when it was written, it appears to be a jolly happy song about daterape, a still very current happening (sort of a "death of the author" scenario.) It's been a while since I read up on it, some of this might not be quite accurate, but I hope the example I'm trying to make comes across. I don't count Delilah as remotely the same, the tone is dark and passionate, it's a contained story and isn't treated as anything more than that in society, it isn't played in every single store for two months of the year, yknow? The perception.. or maybe the REception of the song is entirely different. It's just a story in a song, it's not got any wider impact, rape survivors like me don't have to hear the song (and although it doesn't bother me itself, it does make me think of the debate around and that triggers me into remembering things anyway, so I still think it shouldn't be played in public, but people should enjoy itp rivately if they want) Until Delilah gets the same "everyone will hear this whether they want to or not" uhhhh usage? I don't think it needs to be treated the same. And although far too common, outright murder remains, thankfully, a good deal less universal than sexual misconduct. As for Grand Slam maybe I'll watch it again and make a video of my own to answer your question :D I apologise for the essay, this shit is my bag and I enjoy deconstructing the impact of stuff. Also I'm high, I only think in essays at a time. I hope I've at least been interesting in my two TED talks responding to the video
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
@@Shindai I wish I could still get high. Thanks for your insight. Nick
@wibbleclarke6784
@wibbleclarke6784 3 года назад
@@Shindai yes. a few years ago there was a public conversation about its meaning and signiificance - to which some people instantly claimed was a call to BAN IT which it was absolutely not! Ironically, I think at the forefront of that conversation was Helen Mary Jones, who is now regularly in hot PC water herself about her views on gender. Complicated world, isn't it?
@cfor8129
@cfor8129 3 года назад
As a gay, unless I'm forgetting anything, not too bothered, I've seen worse characters.
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
Thank you, Sir! It seems stereotyped but positive i.e. the group acccepts him without making a big deal of it
@philiphubbard6234
@philiphubbard6234 Год назад
I'm British and loved every minute of this film, I watch it at least three times a year.
@mikegould8215
@mikegould8215 3 года назад
If you don't celebrate this classic film, you ain't Welsh 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿.
@thedirectorschair1054
@thedirectorschair1054 3 года назад
Why does nobody in Wales have a problem with Granslam? Well after we have discussed that, maybe we can have a scintillating discussion about how Ronnie Barker's welsh sitcom The Magnificent Evans from almost 40 years ago, offended my lesbian Grandad by failing to feature any transgender dwarfs.
@cfor8129
@cfor8129 3 года назад
Trans dwarfs exist and did exist 40 years ago you know. Shame to treat real people as zany hypotheticals. Why is it such a wild idea?
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
Hiya. I think you have missed the point. My question is not why Wales doesn't have a problem with the film. My question is why those who label themselves 'progressive' don't pay it any attention. I don't have a problem with it. It was made before I was born (just) but that doesnae mean we can't ask questions about it.
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
@Ivor Biggun no I'd never heard of it either. Sharon was ok with me poking fun, btw. We're mates 😉
@ninfilms
@ninfilms 3 года назад
It's a classic. I even know some women loving this film.
@garyjones9910
@garyjones9910 3 года назад
Its a classic.here is no harm or bitterness in it at all.
@dtocs8252
@dtocs8252 3 года назад
Humourphobic people will hate this movie, along with Cymruphobic people too... Rugbyphobic folk will not be able to see how Welsh rugby can inspire such nationalistic iconic art such as Grand Slam , raising our identity around the world. A Welshman can't go anywhere without a Mog quote being thrown at it these days
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
Did this BBC Wales TV film raise our ID around the world butt? I seriously doubt that.
@dtocs8252
@dtocs8252 3 года назад
@@WalesintheMovies put that rugbyphobic attitude away... Or the channel will get cancelled... Plus everyone in the world knows GrandSlam... And if they don't , well they should be shot.
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
@@dtocs8252 amusing
@woganjones2012
@woganjones2012 3 года назад
Perhaps Grand Slam is overrated and now also very dated. It is also, perhaps, very Valleys-centric and full of the tired old tropes we now wish to forget. It is, perhaps, only 'special' because it features some very famous Welsh actors and is the only Welsh comedy film of the post-war era - which also includes rugby. It's very quotable. But could I live without it now? Yes. There was a TV film 'Trên i'r Gêm' which tried to update the Grand Slam in a modern Welsh language way - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nQXWS-j5xyo.html
@WalesintheMovies
@WalesintheMovies 3 года назад
I think I find it hard to like because I wasn't there at the beginning, so culturally for me it's not pivotal. Also, I'm a football supporter often frustrated by the obsession with a parochial sport that doesn't raise our profile. But I love the Fusion of documentary and fiction. Plus it's non-OC doesn't bother me at all, I Just thought it'd make an interesting video ! I emailed Sharon before I edited it to make sure she was okay with the joke!