All glories to srila Prabhupad. I myself, have some homosexual tendency. I am a practicing Krishna devotee, and i must say, i feel Maharaj is right on point, very truthful, and very realistic with this advice. The bottom line is, stringent rules can, and must be applied, Whilst still loving people unconditionally as a spirit soul devotee of the Lord . Thank you Maharaj, Protector of the Dharma 🙏🙏🙏
As far as I understood, as someone who lived in the temple for many years in the past, in ashram life there is no place for meditating on sexual desires or agitations. The focus is solely spiritual. If you want to fulfill your sexual desires you can't live in the temple, you have to live outside, but you still attend the programs and service
agree why take initiation if you are still strongly attached to sex life,better to wait until u fully grasp the message,and have discipline to overcome miya before taking initiation.
In fact, the mere fact of identifying with some kind of sexual tendency, whatever it is, is to move away from the idea that we are not that body. Thank you Maharaj, as always very inspiring. Dandavats
I was a brahmacari in the mid ‘70’s (travelling on the Mayapur TSKP) led by two gay sanyasis (not knowing their nature at the time, but suspecting it). At one point in our travels, after a few days of arriving in Chicago-where Srila Prabhupada was visiting-Prabhupada disbanded the party, and put us (the brahmacaries) under the care and leadership of Garga Muni. We appreciated the adjustment Prabhupada made for us, and immediately felt better situated. If something had gone amiss on that original party, we may have left ISKCON, disillusioned and bitter-forever. Thank you Maharaja, again for being right on the mark.
It never ceases to amaze me the 'little' quirks and dealings that Srila Prabhupada did which made such a difference to people's lives including his disciples. It is a miracle, I can not fathom. Accounts like what you just said, and even the story about a homosexual confessing to Prabhupada, (in Bhakti Vikasa's speech) and his advice to keep the guy practising all seem to add up to what is, in effect, a modern day Jesus Christ. How can one relate to that? How can one relate to a society largely ignorant of Prabhupada, let alone his importance? It is a mystery that somehow has to be solved. I cannot, but at least some appreciation can go some of the way, in my opinion. That is a great story you tell - thanks.
It's a sensitive topic. Dandavats Pranams Maharaj. You addressed this topic from all angles. As for LGBT people, if they are really serious about spiritual development, developing a serious lifestyle is possible, living with like minded people to achieve it. I like the way Maharaj explained that it is their protection for putting themselves in a agitated situation.
Thank Krishna I never met you or your followers when I barely joined the movement. Even as a kid without Sanskrit, I knew KARUNA (compassion) was necessary to apply deeper levels of DHARMA (skill). Above all, Bhakti is unconditional & will always flow past nayamigraha. I pray its essence you pray at the end for reaches you swiftly. More important for your followers to imbibe your public explanation of deeper understanding in this lifetime. Vancha kalpa. 🙏
You are one of the most logical and razonable persons within ISKCON, every time I hear your lectures my desire for take shelter of you as mi Guru increase, but I’m so far.
Thanks, I really appreciate your opinion! Degradation is boundless, if it is not stopped, it will engulf the ashrams. You are "a ray of light in a dark kingdom" (Nikolai Alexandrovich Dobrolyubov).
Hare Krishna maharaj dandvat pranam please accept my humble obescence I don't want to join ashrams because it will agitate me more but then what to do I am facing several issues by association of male devotees I don't want associate with them but at the same time can't avoid them so please it's my request can u properly elaborate how a homosexual can do bhakti like u have written bramahacharya in krsna consciousness for male and another book for female in which u have explained their duties,so I want to know what should I do I will be benefited if give some way so I can get Direct touch with someone who can solve my problem I am literally hating myself because of this . please help.ys
The main thing here seems to be sex desire, whether it is man to woman, or man to man. The idea of practising Krishna Consciousness is to try to minimise that - which is why Bhakti Vikasa Swami is speaking out against homosexual men living in the ashram. So far as the individual person is concerned, he maybe homosexual and has a strong desire that way, but he also really, really wants to serve the Lord Krsna. The idea of devotional service is not to negate desires, but rather through closer attachment to devotional service, the sexual desires get minimised and therefore do not affect the aspiring devotee so much. This takes practice, but it doesn't have to be hard! Devotional service, in Prabhupada's words, is simple and joyfully performed! That is the theory anyway. In my opinion, the practise is not so much in chanting, even visiting the temple (though devotional service done there is profound), it is simply in being convinced, and it is that which takes practice even if one thinks, 'yeah i'm ready i can do it all now!' In the eighteenth chapter of Bhagavad-gita, Krisna says that one who studies his words worships him by his intelligence, and it is that which will give one the weapons with which to control lust. Lust is very strong and not an enemy to take lightly, but can be conquered by transcendental knowledge and then action in my opinion. I would advise against 'hating oneself', though I can understand. It is better to accept one for what one is to start with, and even question social norms and even temple norms of thinking. For this is a decision only the individual can make. If one sees oneself more clearly without biased emotion, then, in my opinion, one is better prepared to effect change. My advice for what it is worth, is to study the detail in Prabhupada's books and the memories of Srila Prabhupada by his own disciples as well. That gives a more rounded view as to what this Krishna Consciousness is all about and is better than torturing oneself about one's own shortcomings. In short, give yourself more room and be patient with yourself. One may fall down time and time again, but keep trying, and also keep encouraging yourself. That is the way to success and you will have a better time achieving it also, I reckon.
If you can, engage yourself in cow protection. Engage in simple village type of life where you are in direct touch with organic nature. Cow is our mother, and the key for spiritual and material harmony. Material life is supposed to be simple and beneficial for spiritual development, and beneficial for the mother earth as well. All this homosexual/heterosexual feelings come from idea that you have to have someone who is gonna tell you he/she loves you in order to achieve harmony and happiness. That's wrong, cow is there to be taken care of and as your mother she awards you with harmony in your heart. This is why many heterosexual couples in ISKCON end up divorced which is unhealthy. There is very strong material idea that the highest joy in this world is sexual enjoyment. All sorts of identity ideas come out if it, but they are all 100% wrong fir true healthy spiritual life.
Same issue with me, prabhu. But, for me I wanted to be a naisthika brahmachari since childhood (though not properly knowing what brahmacharya actually is) but I wanted to dedicate my life fully in service of Kṛṣṇa, but with the onset of puberty I found myself to have homosexual inclination. For years, I thought this will go away somehow. But, then I realised it won't. Like as you said, I can't do Sadhu sanga properly as eventually my mind gets agitated or atleast distracted by young male devotees. I can't associate with women, that's against social convention. Nor is it possible for me to live with a person whom I have least interest or attraction for. So, like you, I am in the state of confusion- whether to be a brahmachari and a grihastha, for two of them are mentally problematic. And to add to the problem, I don't have any personal guide who will be sensible to guide me rationally and pragmatically after listening to me properly rather than just imposing rules on me.
Hare Krishna, Dandavat Pranama. If you love Krishna you love everything and everyone seeing him in everyone soul. Bhakti is not limited to anyone and is truly accessible to all people. Certainly there is the regulative principles that one must follow to progress in spiritual life but the regulations are equal to all orientations equally. To have hatred or negative remarks on a section of a community is discriminatory. Just because someone is not heterosexual does not make them desperate for sex. Sexuality is a spectrum and it is a part of someone existence. To put it on the same category of rape and theft is so bad, as one does not choose their orientation. For some being homosexual has been the reason why they have found Krishna Consciousness because they detached from family life knowing their life would be different, they found strength to lead their honest and true life by practising devotional service and making Krishna their parents. They found a partner (same sex) who can live with and do spiritual activities together. Yes it may not be possible to have a biological child but they can adopt and raise the child in krishna consciousness. There are so many children in care and I have seen them grow up and lead amazing, fulfilling lives with same sex parents. To say that homosexuality is nothing but a bad reaction from past life is so sad because it can actually be such a positive thing. Not being part of society like you would is already detaching you from material things. To raise a child who (straight parents) could not look after is a blessing and rewarding thing to do. Everything is part of Krishna’s creation. To discriminate people like this, those who love Krishna is definitely going to upset him. The soul is genderless and yes if people just accepted that orientations are not a choice and that they don’t make you desperate for sex just because you don’t happen to be straight then lgbtq a+ people would not need to do pride or celebrate who they are. I agree it shouldn’t make a difference if you believe you are the soul. But then you get people discriminating, spreading hate, giving other people ammunition to treat others badly to perceive them as if they have done bad karma to have gotten such life is really bad. Only krishna decides this and the truth is we are all conditioned. We are all trying to be better and being human we are always faced with obstacles but you can chose either to hate and be negative or to love and be positive. My comment isn’t about Ashrams at all, but remember one can still be a sanyasi in Grihastha life. If one is truly detached and leaves everything in Krishna’s hand then they will see Krishna’s hand behind everything. Hare Krishna!
THE QUESTION MUST BE, "DOES ( prabhupada is absolutely with us now too) SRILA PRABHUPADA Allow Homosexuals In HIS Ashrams? . As always Prabhupada may have given different answers in different situations and if any devotee latches on to only one answer as absolute not knowing about other answers or instructions that Prabhupada gives on the topic, then we do a great disservice to Srila Prabhupada, making him one dimensional and somewhat impersonal. I know that Srila Prabhupada was definitely aware of so called gay devotees but did not treat them any different to any other label of the body in the sense he engaged them in krsna's service in asrams or anywhere and would guide them to marry the opposite sex if they had need for sex or to be with a partner and in this way chant and rectify the conditioned state of thinking we are these bodies, minds and present conditioned perverted states of consciousness. I also read once how prabhupada explains how men with strong female modes ( transvestites ) lived away from the normal populace and had their own separate community. Please correct me if i have any misconceptions about what Prabhupada gave us. Thank you
@26:55 “So if you happen to know someone , then you direct them to an ashram where they are allowed, where they will be uhhh… welcomed. Don’t just jump on my head & bite it off. If you’re really into broad liberality then you make the facility for them to come and join. I happen to be on one side of a spectrum of issues like this and so do those who identify themselves as my followers & like i say, “You don’t have to be, you don’t have to be a follower of my poor self to be in this movement." Actually, from what I think , it would , we would do a lot better as a movement if we clearly defined what are our parameters. And what is our position on various gender issues. But anyways that’s a bigger discussion. Hare Krishna. Vancha kalpa…”
*Everyone in the material world has sexual desire from the birds and bees to men women. It may not be manifest as activity so long as the senses are undeveloped. Lusty desire is the reason for imprisonment in a material body. One who is free from lusty desire reaches the spiritual abode. Hare Krishna.*
All respects and obeisances to you Maharaj, for your very nice and conservative presentation on this contentious topic. Blessed are those who follow you. They will not be lead astray. I would say that, for a long time, many sincere, (properly behaving) homosexuals have served the Supreme Lord in many monastic traditions, including ISKCON's, and will continue to do so. AND, I pretty-much guarantee you that, RIGHT NOW, there are 100s of sincere, hardworking devotees living in India, and elsewhere in ISKCON's ashrams, who ARE homosexual. But nobody KNOWS they are homosexual because they behave properly and in a dharmic way and are following as nicely as anyone else. I also BET you that some of YOUR OWN sincere disciples are homosexual (at least technically speaking), and some of them that may read this are homosexual too, but you don't know it, because they've never misbehaved in any way and don't see any point in telling you. IF they are properly behaved, who cares honestly? I have met dozens of male ISKCON devotees and other spiritual practitioners from other traditions who are QUITE effeminate, and frankly-speaking seem pretty homosexual, but nobody cares, because they are hardworking, sincere and always above board. Also I would say, that because the temple/ashram atmosphere, the sanga, kirtan, japa, deity worship etc is SO purifying, a sincere devotee, even IF technically speaking their sexuality is homosexual, they are not at all agitated. This of course depends on the individual's sincerity, diligence in sadhana, and their adhikar. It ONLY becomes a problem if a person misbehaves, or gives off a weird vibe or makes other devotees uncomfortable with their words or conduct. AS SOON AS someone DOES misbehave though, they must leave the ashram, and practice Krishna consciousness outside. Now I will tell you an interesting AND ONGOING story. I personally know an ex-gurukul boy who, back in his gurukul days, had MANY homosexual dalliances, and I MEAN - MANY! He didn't come across as campy or effeminate when he was a young lad and teenager, but he definitely had many "experiences" with other students. You've definitely met this person on your travels. I NOW see how this, previously wayward youth, is a very sober and serious married man, AND has been entrusted with considerable responsibility in ISKCON. AND ..... he has not faltered. He is well liked and respected and does wonderful service. You'd also be surprised what his service is, but my lips are sealed. But you kind-of DO know what that service is, because I know you DO know him. Hehehe. He is brahminically initiated by an ISKCON guru, who I assure you, would not tolerate any nonsense. His previous, quite extensive homosexual behavior when he was young, seems to be no LESS disqualifying then someone ELSES illicit HETROsexual dalliances. And naturally, this person presently has a lot of contact with other male devotees and works closely with them. He lives in an ISKCON temple community. Vaishnavas past sins are not to be considered, is it not? And I very much agree with you that ISKCON must NEVER give into this force-fed homosexual nonsense that is destroying western society. It is a degrading and sinful instrument of Kali and they are all Kali-Chelas and must be rejected.
@@Nonowness I agree. Naturally all can serve Krishna. And many homosexuals CAN ALSO live in the temple ashram withput incident & do. I lived & served with a few when I was younger. No big deal. No issue.
Yes, homosexuality is often innate and therefore natural. The suggestion that psychopathy is also innate is a flawed argument. The issue is not whether it is innate or not, but how much the person in question harms others. A psychopath because he lacks empathy will tend to harm a homosexual does not harm anyone. There is nothing inherently harmful about homosexuality. If homosexual partners are together on a consensual basis, they are not harming anyone. So it is neither a sin nor a problem. In India, homosexuality was not a sin. It was part of the culture. The aversion to homosexuality was brought to India only by Christians and Muslims. Many of the bigoted rules in Hinduism regarding sexuality are actually an influence of Abrahamic culture. In the old Indian culture, even Brahmin women walked around with their breasts exposed and it was not considered vulgar. The contemporary Hindu standard of vulgarity and intolerance has been imported into Hinduism from outside cultures. You will not find any intolerant statements against homosexuals in the Vedic books. Even on some temples, even Vishnu temples, homosexual acts are depicted.
If a practicioner can't focus in his practice with a woman around, maybe that practicioner is not meant for spiritual life. Living in community should not separate us because of what we have in our underpants or what our sexual tendencies were before we chose the path to liberation. Generating discrimination would not be something God would do
@@oldman_eleven how can you practice with temptation if you don't deal with it? I can be surrounded by models 24/7 and feel no temptation, if someone has a desire problem it has to be trained and worked instead of isolating of people
@@kunedo9347 they don't want to take the risk, and they are right. Even nuns and priests are separated, in most cases. They have to start with some rules and discipline if they want to achieve the goal...
Homosexuality is present from the birth, and the individual is not responsible for it. Being homosexual is not a just a sexual hunger. It is Love, not Lust... And to the people who are against them are not aware that we all are creation of The God. The only thing this world needs is to normalise that homosexuality is not different from heterosexuality. Always remember, God is great, All Merciful. Hare Krishna 🙏
Even ashram is like Vedic University. In modern days; Modern Universities also take admissions after complex & comprehensive check of anyone's background. So same goes whith any Ashrams as well. They must be even more cautious as we are in Kaliyuga! We don't want that Vaishnavs name & their important position to get degraded. So I fully support what you said. Jai Shrila Prabhupad, Jai Bhakti Vikas Swami. Hare Krishna Dhyan Rakh Se! 🕉🕉🕉
There is a study, and many people's experience confirms it, that people who have a hatred or dislike of homosexuality are people with repressed homosexuality or people with some other sexual problem. Which explains why there is such a high incidence of aversion to sex and physical gratification, aggression and sexual abuse in the monastic traditions.
I just happen to be a part of the LGBTQ community, but my spirit belongs to Krishna always. I still understand that by having gay men and lesbian women in the ashram their spiritual journeys are more challenging as they have sexual desire piled onto their plate of difficulty in a space that needs focus and peace. I noticed in your video is that there isn't mention of lesbian nuns having the exact same problem. By today's standard, this one issue could be mistaken as homophobia by not bringing up both men and women and addressing them together equally. This is just something to keep in mind for future education. Also, I can explain why and what pride means to the LGBTQ community, as your interpretation seems to be geared toward the literal definition of pride. The word Pride originated from the days where gays, lesbians and bisexuals had to hide for the sake of their safety, homes, jobs and lives. People were being murdered, raped, assaulted, arrested and harassed and all because they are homosexual or transgender. Pride came from marching and protesting for the same rights as heterosexuals. (Marriage, homeownership, not being fired or evicted if sexuality is discovered etc.) At Pride, people celebrate the rights we have won, families we have created, and being authentic by not hiding who we are. If being LGBTQ was never shamed and surpressed, there probably wouldn't even be such thing as Pride month or parade because it wouldn't be special in anyway. I am interested in the discussion of gender next. Because I am transgender and would be happy to contribute how Krishna creating me like this is exactly what lead me back to his lotus feet for shelter. Thank you again for all your wisdom and experience 🙏 I receive so much nectar and learning from your speaking. 🙏
Hare Krishna Maharaj hame margdarshan dene ke liye aapko bohot dhanyavad kintu mere kuch prashna he is paristhithi ko mene apne karmo ke fal man kar svikar kar liya he kintu muje bohot kastha ho raha he me niyamo ka palan to kar raha hu lekin me bramhachari nai ban sakta aur me vivah bhi nai kar sakta to me kaha jau me bhakto ke sang me jata hu to vaha bohot sare young ladke bhi aate he jinko dekh kar muje bohot hi kharab feelings aati he ab me bhakto ke sang me nai jaunga to bhakti me aage nahi badhunga me ye sab kuch kisi ko bata bhi to nai sakta aur bas aab aap koi marg bataiye kya me dham me ja kar rahu ? Aap muje koi marg dikhaiye
(Managed by disciples): Hare Krishna In Srimad Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says इच्छाद्वेषसमुत्थेन द्वन्द्वमोहेन भारत । सर्वभूतानि सम्मोहं सर्गे यान्ति परन्तप (7.27) Translation He Bharatvanshi, samasat jiva janam lekar iccha aur gṛṇa se utpann dvandvon se mohgrasat hokar moh ko prapta hote hain Material desires aur Bhagwan se dvesh do mukhya karan hain hamari problems ke Manav jivan ka lakshya hai apni chetna ko shuddh karna ....purvajanamon mein kiye paapkarmon ka result ye material body hai ...ab ise vedic niymon ka palan karke shuddh chetna viksit karni hai ...sabse strong desire hai sexual desire jo hamen is sansar mein bandhati hai...ye sab iccha man ke star pe hain kyunki hamari senses uncontrolled hain...aap sincerely chanting karo aur Lord Krishna se pray karo taki in desires se uper uth sako .... Srimad Bhagavatam ka niyampurvak adhyayan kijiye jisme baar baar is baat par jor diya gaya hai ki hum ye body nahi balki atma hain aur sense enjoyment kaise hamen sansar mein aur bandh rahi hai ... Prahalad maharaj , Rishabh dev, Jad Bharat ,Narad muni ,Kunti maharani aur bhi bahut si teachings hain is Mahapurana mein .... scriptures padne se man shuhddh hota hai aur buddhi strong banti jo man ko control karne mein help karti hai .. .mandir mein jab aap young brahmachari prabhu ko dekhen to samjhen ki ye attraction body ke prati hai jo temporary hai aur kaph ,pit ,vaat ki bani hai ,mein atma hoon aur mujhe apne samvandh bhagvan se vapis sthapit karna hai, baar baar shravan ,adhyayan,manan ke dwara hi hum in petty desires se uper uth sakte hain....kathin hai but impossible nahi ... sincerely prayas karo aur bhagwan se pray karo Ek sincere advanced devotee se guidance lijiye taki aap apni eternal life full of bliss and knowledge prapt kar saken
हरे कृष्ण प्रभुजी, प्रणाम अपनी समस्या पर विस्तार से चर्चा करने के लिए धन्यवाद। त्वचा और शरीर के प्रति यह आकर्षण नया नहीं है और प्राचीन काल से ही विद्यमान है। यह भौतिक संसार में बंधन का एक और रूप है, जो आत्मा को अंतहीन पीड़ा के बाद जन्म लेने के लिए मजबूर करता है। जैसा कि कृष्ण ने कहा है, हम ये शरीर नहीं बल्कि आत्मा हैं। न जायते म्रियते वा कदाचि-न्नायं भूत्वा भविता वा न भूयः। भगवत गीता 2.20 संविधान के अनुसार, आत्मा आनंद के लिए तरसती है| (आनंदमयोऽभ्यासात् वेदांत-सूत्र 1.1.12)) हम सोचते हैं कि हम अपनी इंद्रियों को संतुष्ट करके आनंद प्राप्त करेंगे, लेकिन यह केवल एक भ्रम है। त्वचा और भौतिक शरीर का क्षरण होने का खतरा रहता है - अन्तवन्त इमे देहा नित्यस्योक्ताः शरीरिणः | भगवत गीता 2.18 हम अपनी इंद्रियों को संतुष्ट करने के प्रयास में एक जीवन से दूसरे जीवन में शरीर बदलते रहते हैं | देहिनोऽस्मिन्यथा देहे कौमारं यौवनं जरा | भगवत गीता 2.13 लेकिन वास्तव में, हम पीड़ित होते हैं क्योंकि हम भौतिक प्रकृति के नियमों से भ्रमित हो जाते हैं। आध्यात्मिक जगत में शुद्ध प्रेम विद्यमान है। जैसा कि श्रील कृष्णदास कविराज गोस्वामी ने चैतन्य-चरितामृत: आदि-लीला 4.165 में बताया है: आत्मेन्द्रिय-प्रीति-वंच--तरे बलि 'काम'कृष्णेन्द्रिय-प्रीति-इच्छा धरे 'प्रेम' नाम| अपनी इंद्रियों को संतुष्ट करने की इच्छा काम (वासना) है, लेकिन भगवान कृष्ण की इंद्रियों को प्रसन्न करने की इच्छा प्रेम (प्रेम) है। वास्तव में हम कृष्ण के अभिन्न अंग हैं और हम उनके साथ प्रेम भरे शाश्वत रिश्ते में हैं। लेकिन उनसे अलग आनंद लेने की अपनी स्वतंत्र इच्छा का दुरुपयोग करते हुए, जब हम उनका साथ छोड़कर इस भौतिक संसार में प्रवेश करते हैं, तो सब कुछ विकृत रूप में परिलक्षित होता है। सरल शब्दों में कहें तो कृष्ण के प्रति हमारा जो निस्वार्थ भाव से लगाव है, जो आध्यात्मिक जगत में प्रेम है, वह इस भौतिक जगत में वासना के रूप में विकृत रूप में परिलक्षित होता है। बिल्कुल वैसे ही जैसे खट्टी इमली के संपर्क में आते ही दूध दही में बदल जाता है| यह भौतिक स्थान किसी समझदार व्यक्ति के लिए स्थान नहीं है। कृष्ण के शुद्ध भक्त श्रील प्रभुपाद द्वारा दी गई प्रक्रिया पर विश्वास करें। प्रभुपाद की पुस्तकें पढ़ें, उनके व्याख्यान सुनें और स्वयं को विभिन्न भक्ति सेवाओं में संलग्न करें और भगवान के पास वापस जाएँ। यह अच्छा है कि आपने नियामक सिद्धांतों का पालन करना शुरू कर दिया है और 16 माला जप कर रहे हैं। श्री चैतन्य महाप्रभु कहते हैं चेतो-दर्पण-मार्जनं (शिक्षाष्टकम् 1)। श्रवण और कीर्तन की प्रक्रिया द्वारा धीरे-धीरे सफाई करके अपने हृदय को शुद्ध करें और अंततः आप अपनी संवैधानिक स्थिति में स्थित हो जाएंगे। भौतिकवादी दुनिया से खुद को दूर करने के लिए अपनी स्थिति को एक वरदान के रूप में लें, और कृष्ण के पवित्र नामों का ध्यान करके अपने अंदर देखें। सुंदरता की एक झलक पाने के लिए, कृपया कृष्ण के अर्चा विग्रह पर ध्यान करें जो सर्व-आकर्षक, सच्चिदानंद-विग्रह: है और अस्थायी भौतिक चीजों के लिए आपका सारा आकर्षण धीरे-धीरे खत्म हो जाएगा।
@@maheshani aapka bohot bohot dhanyavad Prabhu muje aapke jese hi ek siksha guru ki aavshkta he jo muje guide kare aapne bohot hi Vistar se samjaya aap jese bhakto ki kripa se hi me tika huva hu nai to mera patan hona hi tha dhanyavad prabhuji 🙏
So, now I know there are many like me wanting to advance in spiritual life and struggling with the same problem. This is the problem which is disturbing me from my teens as an aspiring devotee and now I am 20. Life has only become more miserable.
There was around 15 homosexual devotees in iskcon mayapur brahmachary ashram when I was living there. Some of them was self controled and very happy. Others was eventually trying to or having sex in the ashram and other places... Some of them try with me many times...
I think a devotee, let alone a guru swami, should not be a bigot. There is no place for a swami to be a bigot esp In this day and age where gender identity is a status quo. You cannot say that in an ashram, a gay person is bound to seduce straight devotee, thereby discriminating against them. How do you know that a straight guy will not seduce a gay guy in an ashram? Or two straight guys seducing each other? What is your beef about a guy being sexually involved with a homosexual as opposed to sexually involved with a woman? While two consenting adults (who are trying their best to be a devotee) are having sex and breaking one of the four regs, it is not legitimate nor your position to judge anybody, gay or straight in or outside the ashrams. Even Prabhupada didn't preach like this. He emphasized the 4 regulative principles and illicit sex should be avoided at all cost, not homosexuals. Some of the best sankirtan devotees are/were homosexuals. In America, it is unlawful to be discrminated against based on one's sexual orientation. It just shows how backwards and bigoted you are. I dont think Prabhupada will agree to this ridiculous video. Homosexuality is not a disease or mental illness as you claimed. You cannot lump in LGBTQ+ individuals to rapists, psychos, pedophiles, and murderers. You should do research first and consult with a lawyer, a social worker or a lawmaker before uploading a ridiculous video like this.
I understand your anger, but please also exercise respect and patience. The message contains many explenations that are clearly out of date. In order for ISKCON to survive in the west, they will have to educate themselves on how to properly discuss such a sensitive topic. I shared my views as an LGBTQ devotee. But all in all it could have been explained as simply as "ISKON avoids putting homosexual men and nuns into spaces divided by gender because it surrounds them with potential sexual desire." But instead mostly the "safety" of the heterosexual men, potential scandal as well as associating these men to people who commit crimes like stealing, rape and pedophilia just shows how uneducated and out of date things have remained.
Sexuality is too wide of a spectrum to have hard and fast rules about who can and who can't do something, in my opinion. I've been abstinent for 11 years now, I identify as asexual, but for life companionship I prefer another woman. I've spent time in a ladies ashram and if I'd been denied that experience because I'd admitted to a preference to women for companionship rather than men, I might have lost the opportunity to know Krishna at all - and isn't that what we are all really striving for? I doubt gay people are joining ashrams for relationships, enough progress has already happened that this person NEEDS Krishna enough to want to join an ashram. They also have the mental capacity to to leave that ashram if they find it is not time for them. It's not like they would just stay and play out these gay fantasies you are suggesting. I feel, we do not need to be 'careful' about letting gay people experience Krishna Consciousness. This is so body-focussed and presumes that gay people are just lustful animals with no capacity for abstinence. That's just not true, every single gay person is lustful? how can it be possible. A spiritually focussed person suffering with uncontrollable lust should also have the intelligence to stay away from an ashram. "We don't want mentally deranged people in our Ashrams." Are there any ashrams specially made for the mentally ill? They deserve to be embraced by the wonderful KC community, especially here in the west. Sexuality and mental illness are bodily concerns, not the soul. You said here 'people with mental illness have a more difficult time in spiritual life' this also can apply to gay people - we are not 'abnormalities' (ouch) - society already places so many extra burdens on us - a spiritual life should be free from these limitations - the soul is not gay, not mentally ill and is not lustful. If a body is then we should help them to get free, not cast them away. just some thoughts from another soul stuck in an 'abnorma'l body. HARE KRISHNA!
@10:25 Would Allen Ginsberg be recognized as a leader in Prabhupada's movement? Or did he just chat in halls alongside Prabhupada & give an introduction to Bhagavad Gita: As It Is... under "I don't know" ?
Lord krishna even if someone is in the most abominable situation and disposition if they chant hare Krishna they are on the correct path and should be respected '' Any sexuality is kama and lust is THE shakle that binds the atma or soul to reincarnation into the world of death ' material nature '' if a human chants hare Krishna then Lord Krishna as the supreme controller has through his mercy delivered his transcendental name to that person ''
Depends on how long one keeps chanting .Mayavadis and.demons chant Hare Krsna .Prabupada said.there are demons in this movement , demons chant Hare Krsna, they want.power, not.service to Prabupada ( favourable service to Prabupada's lotus feet , like they use to.do with genuine sincerity.Kamsa.was.always thinking of.Krsna , but wanted to kill the Lord.
Hare krishna Maharaj ji , please accept my obeisance and mercy on me,,, Thank you so much, Maharaj, for selecting this subject and providing the appropriate path for us to take. Maharaj, I have a few questions. What would happen to a homosexual person's bhakti if they acquired Krishna consciousness and adhered to all the rules and ragulations as described by senior devotees or Gurumaharaj? If they married a guy and continued to practise bhakti together after their marriage, what would become of their bhakti? The Bhakti will be effective or they are merely performing "NAAM APRADH." What are they supposed to do? What obligations should they have?
(Managed by disciples): Hare Krishna! The answer for your first question is that if a homosexual comes in contact with devotees and read Srila Prabhupada's books and takes to devotional life and follows all the rules and regulations very strictly and realize that he is a soul and not the body, and the present condition is just a karmic reaction which should be tolerated, then there is nothing that can stop him from purifying his existence and go back to godhead. But if he is allowed to enter brahmachari ashram, it will be detrimental to his advancement in Krsna consciousness because it will be difficult for him to control his senses as he will be surrounded by men day and night. anukulasya sankalpa, pratikulasya varjanam. If an environment is not favorable for us to seriously perform devotional activities, then why to enter that environment? And for the second question, it's not Vedic for a man to marry another man. And most of the serious gurus and senior devotees in ISKCON (who follow Prabhupada's teachings as it is) won't recommend this to him. Hence if he decides to marry another man, then it will be like going against guru, sadhu, and sastra and certainly it will affect his progress in devotional life. What are they supposed to do And what obligations should they have? They can go on with the devotional activities and thank Krsna for providing a chance to perform bhakti. And always meditate on the verse: tat te 'nukampam su-samiksamano bhunjana evatma-krtam vipakam hrd-vag-vapurbhir vidadhan namas te jiveta yo mukti-pade sa daya-bhak TRANSLATION My dear Lord, one who earnestly waits for You to bestow Your causeless mercy upon him, all the while patiently suffering the reactions of his past misdeeds and offering You respectful obeisances with his heart, words and body, is surely eligible for liberation, for it has become his rightful claim. SB 10.14.8
Latent or otherwise, majority of gays are/were in the closet until they are/outed. Only Krishna knows. Therefore we cannot judge a feminine guy as gay. A lot of gay men are straight acting. You'll never know. They even marry and have kids, until everything explodes. Some marry for convenience. A devotee of Krishna should avoid illicit sex, gay or straight. It is unlawful in America to discriminate against LGBTQ+. With that said, bigotry has no place in ISCKON. This guru is a bigot. He is also against women and uses the "N" word for blacks.
The best man at my wedding was gay. By that I mean homosexual. Of course I prefer to think of 'gay' as a subtle form of higher joyfulness which was its original meaning. 'light-hearted and carefree' is another definition of gay. So I often joke when people say the term 'gay', that it is good, and I wish to be as well!!! :) Sometimes humour is the best way to deal with a situation, even serious ones if done right. I don't think homosexuals should take part in Ashram life (ie: live in the Temple) as it is a source of problems like men and women living together and not separate. I think society actively encourages many to be homosexual and that is plain wrong. Perhaps if someone admits to homosexuality but really wants to join an ashram and promises to behave himself then depending on his situation, he could join, but it would have to be monitored very closely and if there is an atmosphere of openness and honesty in the ashram, then perhaps in special cases - but that should be the exception and not the rule. It must be remembered however, that is society the exceptions are often highlighted too much. I hear ancient Greek works talked about homosexuality, so there is something there, but of course sexual desire, though the strongest material attachment does not approach spiritual joy which is what needs to be cultivated in the temples, for only by that, and that alone can sexual attachment be curbed - there is no other way. I think that any spiritual practitioner does need to have one eye on the material world to see its tricks, and that leads one into asking, what is with all this hysteria to homosexuals? Not just them, but leading to transgender, etc...? Well, in my opinion based on a lot of what David Icke says (he is a world figure and has researched global conspiracy for over 30 years), it is a plan to eventually fuse gender so there is only one gender (the next step after transgender). It has been related in books like 'brave new world', etc. However that is an aside for those wishing to pursue that inquiry. Back to Srila Prabhupada, and he was very scathing about Homosexuality, often referring to it as 'homosex' (I like that term!) and describing it as 'most abominable'! Who am I to say that is not true? In fact I think it probably is. However, I also believe the story at 9:10 about a disciple of him owning up to it and telling him (brave thing to do!), and Srila Prabhupada replying, 'Well go and find a young man and live together in Krishna Consciousness'. It does have a ring of truth to it. He is trying to create an environment whereby anyone can practise Krishna Consciousness. What is the alternative? To exclude him? Why would that story not be correct? As I say, it has a ring of truth to it... I find no reason not to believe it.
There must be a way you can end your vanity over the diversity you see around you. My heart goes out to people with a goal that may not be what is planned for them. People just desire to be perfect. Who will help their vanity? Is it you?
Your words are wise and society could not be better explained than what you did. The social fabric of society is being torn apart to yield to a liberal godless society.
Maharaj, you are very sincere. Stupid and dumb as I am, I'd still like to hear sastric evidence. Not that I disagree with your video, but that I can follow guru-sastra-sadhu. I am in the category in question, and am constantly pushing back on lust. I hear that only developing an overwhelming attachment to Krishna can overcome that.
Харе Кришна ! Вся слава Шриле Прабхупаде, вся слава Бхакти Вокала свами. В 3 песне Ш.Б. говорится изначальное проявление гомосексуализма, когда Господь Брахма создал демонов, они стали домогаться Господа Брахму, который убежал от них. Гомосексуалисты- демоны.
Homo sexuals are not demons '' there are millions of well educated actors business men famous poets and musicians are gay '' they claim that they are made that way '' it's not an absolute that straight men are superior in transmuting their lust '' the gayatri mantra diksha mantra and maha mantra are utilised to transmute lust ''
Hari bol! I am a devotee who is also gay. I have not had a lustful engagement in 3 years. What helped me to combat lust were just a few things. Chant and dance if desire comes to haunt you. Use your body for what it is for, serving Krishna. Use your mind to serve Krishna aswell. While meditating, I end up being a father figure to Krishna. Taking care of him and watching him play removes all thoughts of impure desire. And my desire is to make him smile. It's simple but..I hope this helps you.
Not a compliment rather a way I feel wrt Maharaj's right choice of words with perfect intensity and concern. it's a luxury n obviously great fortune to access discourse nd talks which r always correct true n valid. Heartfelt obeisance unto HH BVKs mahraj Hare Kṛṣṇa agtSP
I agree with you. Although I have some gay relatives and friends, and I have a good relationship with them. However, if I want to walk the path of Krishna consciousness myself, I will hold myself to strict standards. So I agree with you.
Por que alguém iria querer refugiar-se num asrama onde se esforça pelo avanço espiritual, tendo perspectivas de manter interesses mundanos. Me parece que nem tal pessoa, nem o ambiente do asrama obterão vantagens de tal interação...mesmo sob o ponto de vista digamos mundano isso parece uma falta de bom senso. Ninguém pretende criticar as pessoas mas que elas entendam que esse tipo de arranjo não funcionará para a vida espiritual. Maharaha bondosamente aceite minhas sinceras e dispensáveis reverências. HARE KRISHNA!
They can visit it. No problem. Everyone can but have respect for peoples way of life in ashram. Be modest. Dont make your sexuality who you are. Its not the way lgbt act though. They want to flaunt it and force it down everyones throat.
If Srila Prabhupada states several times in the sastras that homosexuality is demoniac......why we have to consider this tendency in this movement? Anyway....ISKCON has a lot of experiences with homosexuality: gurus, leaders, gurukula etc.. Is quite a delicate matter for any speech in connection to Hare Krsna.....
...e lá vem eles sob o encanto, a cantilena de maya, desta vez dizendo que:"...ok... você pode, uma vez que parece interessado em consciência de Krishna, tentar aproximar-se dos devotos e viver no asrama e tudo bem e...,, mas e quanto a sua sexualidade, será que eles vão aceitar?" Então, todo esse papo furado é isso mesmo, uma furada, porque não há vida sexual na prática da consciência de krishna, da vida espiritual,. Sempre que alguém advoga qualquer coisa relativa à vida sexual, se não estiver correlato ao grhasta varnasrama,, será considerado sandice vindo de quem se identifica com o corpo. Como você pode sequer falar sobre essa tendência ou aquela tendência é aelhor num contexto onde se está aprendendo que estas coisas são danosas a teu próprio interesse? Todo mundo é nitya Krishna dasa, nem sequer machos ou fêmeas somos em essência e sim servia amorosos da pessoa mais impressionante e de uma atratividade inexprimível em palavras... então se o rapaz ou a moça tem tendências assim ou assado, pratiquem sem temor a consciência de Krishna e tentem ver nEle o reservatório de rendição de suas tendências...a mim me parece que isso é melhor do que atribuímos a licenciosidades temerosas a solução disso ou daquilo. Krishna e a única solução para mim, para você, para todos! Hare krishna Maharaja BVS ki Jay! Thank you...
(Managed by disciples): Hare Krishna! Please listen to the lecture carefully again and let us know at what point of time in the lecture did you get the idea that the speaker is saying that this knowledge of Krishna consciousness is not supposed to be given to the people with homosexual tendency.
I'm sitting here in terror thinking that you're going to say they should not be allowed to enter the ashram in my world everyone is welcome I'm hoping that is your position
In New York, as well as majority of United States, it is unlawful to discriminate against a homosexual. It is also unlawful to discriminate against women. We are now living in a different time. As Prabhupada said "Time, place, and circumstance." So if a gay person wants to live in an ashram in America and was rejected because of his sexual orientation, he or she can sue and win. We have to learn how to adjust with the time, place and circumstance, which Prabhupada did when he first came to America. Prabhupada welcomed everybody. Gay or straight. Some of the best sankirtan devotees were/are homosexuals. This video is literally screaming with bigotry. Even Prabhupada didn't preach like this. He said to follow the 4 regulative principles and avoid illicit sex at all cost, not homosexuals.
I think he means not allowed to *live* in the ashram as a practicing devotee, rather than simply visiting the ashram and doing some service. I agree that a Temple is 'God's home' and no-one should be barred. I believe these things should be done/decided on an individual basis rather than on precedent.
@@christopherbriscoe6683 Yes, it is unlawful in America to reject a devotee to stay in the temple based on his/ her sexual orientation. This Swami is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
You're acting like free will exists. It obviously doesn't and so everything that God has made is perfect as it is. Just as God manifested it to be. So gay and trans people existing is always God's creation. And even you making this video was God's plan. But you're missing the point by making a blanket opinion on gay people as though they're incapable of enlightenment and succumbing to lust. Because most people are straight and the lust experienced by the world these days is off the charts. So sexual misconduct isn't a gay issue, it's a modern day human issue.
Prabhuji may I intervene, your comment is not inclusive and discriminates, your taking people away from krishna conciousness with such comments, however being gay is something I am learning to control and I'm finding krishna conciousness has helped me control it! So to the lgbt community , krishna conciousness can help you control lust into love of God. Try it and see for yourself , so let's learn to be kind and humble towards all! If your not chanting full 16 rounds should you be allowed to enter temple ? Etc etc I see many Hindus come to iskon just for food they have no interest in chanting or studying its a social club for them !!! So let's not be hypocritical
The Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships. God created them male and female, determined by gender, located in the brain (not sex-characteristics). Anyone that teaches the LIE of monetary tithing, sells anything using the gospel, or teaches that same-sex marriage is a sin CHOOSES to die with the wicked. Luke 10:7 states the only wages for ministering are eating and drinking whatever you are given. Also, know that rich people will all die. You can't be a Christian, sit on all kinds of money, watch your fellow brothers and sisters starve, suffer, or be homeless, choose to do nothing about it, and think that it's ok. Those are all wolves. Mathew 19:12 Eunuchs that are born that way are transgender. Eunuchs made that way by others were abused in some way and something inside of them blocks off a certain type of body but it doesn't happen to everyone that is abused. Those that choose to live like Eunuchs FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN are bisexual people that choose partners of the same sex-characteristics but opposite in regards to gender. Notice, it states God PREFERS for people to be in LGBT relationships. Leviticus, Corinthians, and Timothy were translated wrong by Billy Graham. Those verses are actually referring to pedophilia. Romans 1:27 All of the men were male in regards to gender, all of the women were female in gender. It is not referring to Eunuchs (where one partner is transgender). Also, it had nothing to do with marriage of any kind. They were trying to procreate during orgies so God did it on purpose. Anyone that continues to teach same sex marriage is a sin when the Bible says God prefers for people to be in LGBT relationships will also die by their own choice. In order to be a church building, the place must house people inside of it. Otherwise it is just another private money-making business part of Babylon that furthers satan's agenda. Stay out of the fake churches. I am Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Acts 3:22-23 says it will come to pass that anyone that fails to listen to me will be UTTERLY destroyed from among the people. Again, everyone has a choice. And anyone that deletes my messages CHOOSES to reject Jesus Christ Himself and that means they also CHOOSE to die with the wicked. I am Elijah so that means any discrepancies in the holy books are ultimately decided by me. I am also to usher in the Messiah! Be ready: Jesus is coming back! WORLD PEACE IS COMING!! By the way, anything based on gender norms no longer applies. In fact, the last will be first and the first will be last. It's women that will be ruling the kingdom of heaven........ And rapture is not what most people think. Its when God's true people shine with the glory of God and are miraculously healed. Read Malchi 4:2-4 and the verses surrounding it........... Malachi 2 proves Malachi 3:8-11 is talking to the thieving church leaders. Every single major church and fake preacher on television knew since August of 2020 if they brought the money back they were never supposed to take for ministering then God would end Covvid but they love money so much they intentionally chose to kill everyone instead of repenting.. Sodom was bout rape and greed, nothing to do with marriage of any kind.....
Not sure what you mean at the start when you say God wants people to be in LGBQ relationships but then say that same sex marriage is wicked. Interesting when you say Eunuchs made that way were abused and so their mind blocks off a kind of body. The philosophy of Vaishnavism (that the speaker Bhakti Vikasa Swami follows) believes in re-incarnation, so that could explain the rise of 'Gay' people in current times. Abuse. Many Christians talk about the second coming, but what if that has already occurred in the shape of the founder-acharya of the Hare Krsna movement? Imagine such a person walking round the earth between 1965-1977. How would a second coming actually look like in the modern world? Many adherents of Vaishnavism believe that it would look like what Srila Prabhupada himself spoke and achieved during this time period. And that is a real miracle. What do you think?
Homosexuality is not acceptable within Vaishnava society. Homosexuality certainly has no place within Iskcon in the same way that sense gratification has no place in spiritual life.
