The 2023 EV and EUV are 26k and 28k respectively so I can't imagine a scenario where you would want to buy a used 2019 bolt for 26k. Obviously the used market is awful right now and supply of new cars and finding one at msrp is another factor but for anyone looking for a Bolt I'd recommend waiting for a new one unless you find a great price
@@Bubbz2024 I just got a new 2022 Launch Edition EUV a couple weeks ago. With the 6300 Chevy is giving for 2022s and the trade in of my beat up 08 Rav it was also around 33k. It's a great car and hard to beat at the price point
Thinking the same. Not a great time to buy a used period. I am however seeing just recently that most ‘22 bolts in inventory are currently not available. Replacing battery packs maybe?
@@lancastergerard yes. Very insightful of you. My dealership has two used bolts sitting in the lot waiting for a new battery. They can't sell them until it's replaced and since GM is prioritizing existing customers cars first, the cars on the lots will be sitting unsellable for a while.
@@simonthebroken9691 a chevy dealer told me when I asked. Actually, 2 different dealers told me. The recall hold that had been placed on all bolts is only taken off if the batteries are replaced. Note this only applies to chevy dealers. If a bolt is traded elsewhere or sold privately it may still be waiting for the replacement.
New replacement packs are 65 kWh's for a 259mi range. Last July I drove my 2020 from Anchorage, AK to Austin, TX, the extra DC charge time allowed me rest/sleep to continue driving for 3-3.5hrs. Also since it charges at 53kW I was able to choose free chargers in the area even though there may be an EA station and those were usually 62 or 120 kw. Absolutely 0 issues for the entire 10,979 miles.
@@daviidfm923 yes, eastern AK from Wasilla to Tok and on to the border at Beaver Creek. Then again after Watson Lake to Ft. Saint John. The most expensive charging I did during the trip was for level 2 charging in those areas.
It’s all about matching use case and budget. My use case is commuting with free charging at work for employees and a 330 mile one way road trip around 4 times a year. That’s 4 DCFC a year, no need to pay more for fast charging when I use it so infrequently. I’m loving the heated seats and steering wheel. If you’ve got more disposable income than the average person, get an ID.4 or Ionic 5 or similarly priced EV. My wife has the XC40 recharge and both of us love that vehicle, even with the reduced range compared to all other EVs. Her use case is fulfilled perfectly with that vehicle.
As a Bolt owner, HELL YES. The range is competitive, you get really good cargo space with the seats down, and while the slower DC fast charge isn't great it's still good enough for road trips upstate. I wouldn't take it across country, but intrastate? It's perfectly fine.
Exactly. I had an Accord for 13 years (that I loved - NOTHING broke) and I took it beyond a gas tank ONCE. Admittedly it held 17 gals and got 35 hwy, so a tank was pretty far.
A couple corrections 24:22 "DC Fast Charging. Most North American Bolts do" ALL USA 2017-2021 Bolt EV Models (LT or Premier) DC Fast Charging was a $750 Option. 25:46 "This is not Leather Seats because this it's LT" That is a 2017 Premier model WITH Leather Seats.
Yes, you should continue to explore used EV's for those of us that are EV curious. I'm not going to give up my petroleum powered cars, but I have considered trying an EV for commuting. I'm not all in on the EV thing so I would not be willing to spend $40k+ on something I might never want to drive. An older Leaf or a Bolt might be just the thing for some of us that want to try an EV without a big commitment.
Strong no on energy saver A/S in the winter. You can buy cheap 16 inch steel rims, and mount winter tires on those. The range decrease is noticeable, but the battery is large enough that there is no reason to risk using non winter rated tires.
Totally agree. I think it's funny they have "A/S" in the name. It's like driving on hockey pucks when it's below freezing. They're basically useless in the snow
I guess I'm now officially spoiled: After arriving at an EA 10 station location yesterday afternoon, finding a BMW and a KIA charging there, I pulled in and fueled up. Later, those two left and a Rivian pulled in. Nice. Just as we were leaving, a Bolt drove up. Sad. Now, I'm a former owner of two 2014/15 Nissan LEAFS, so being the 'odd man out' was not uncommon, sitting beside Teslas at most charging stations. But now, for some reason, I see that 'little Bolt', and feel like they have something missing. I drive a Lightning.
I just bought a 2022 EUV and I love it, great car even if it was more expensive. I am averaging 3.9 miles per kilowatt and I don't drive like a grandma but not like an idiot either. Great comfort, easy to drive, can't ask for much more for half the price of a Tesla.
DC Fast Charging was great, but at home my JuiceBox 40 was a great addition and after Ubering until 2am, by 7am it was charged to 80% no problem. DC fast charging to 80% was 50 min or so, again not bad. From Thousand Oaks to Vegas was a stop in Hesperia then Baker then Vegas.
The Bolt is absolutely the best value EV on the market right now. The amount of range you get for the price is great especially after the battery replacement. I have a 2019 Bolt I bought used for 23k a couple of years ago and I can easily get 270 miles of range using one pedal diving.
@@drdon196 meh sounds about right could be worse you could have got a nissan leaf and got a main battery that was degrading like crazy on you and only had 6 miles of range left in it🤣🤣🤣
I have 120K on my 2017 Bolt and I love it. Range drops to 180 with winter tires in nw Montana at -30. Just had to do it's first repair, leaking seal on the passenger output, 12 dollar part and my local shop did it in an hour.
Just picked up sub $10k Fiat 500e with 26k miles on it. Even with short range and slow charging I couldn't be happier. Great commuter car with plenty of power and cheap to buy. When I need to venture out of town I still have my ICE vehicle on standby.
In 2019, used Bolts were selling for $10k less than that. The answer is no. You'd have to be a moron to pay $26k for a used bolt when new Bolts cost that much BEFORE the tax credit and the upcoming equinox ev will sell for that after the tax credit.
I had a 2017 bolt and now drive a 2020 Bolt here in the San Francisco Bay Area with pretty mild winters. Range decreases about 20% in the winter when running the heater.
Go for the premier if you want the tech. 360 cameras rearview mirror camera with washer, front/rear collision avoidance, leather, rear heated seats with cupholder armrest (not in LT). The heater is a ceramic resistive type that is fairly efficient that gets quite hot.
Yes, but you cant actually buy a new one for that price from what I have seen. I've called around.. dealers don't know anything about the new ones or when they are coming in.
@@Steve-wz5pz Nice, glad to see more inventory is starting to show up. Enjoy your new car. It's definitely a very useful practical car. And GM certainly has it priced good.
We have two 2017 Chevy Bolts, one is a Premier and one LT. We love both but the LT is actually our favorite. We are satisfied owners and both have their batteries replaced. We have traveled long distances and it actually charges fairly quick with FC. I recommend this car for anyone!!!! LOVE IT!!!!
Can you tell us why the LT is your favorite, as I am thinking of purchasing a Bolt in 2023? Thanks & I am glad to hear you are happy with your purchases.
Does your 2017 LT model have the ability to remotely turn the AC or HEAT ON with a smartphone? (someone told me they think that feature is not standard across all model years for the LT Trim, but it is available, )
I got my 2017 Bolt EV in 2020 and now I commute 100 miles a day for work. It saves me a lot in fuel and it's fun enough to drive. I've put 50k miles on my since I purchased it and 30k miles since I got the new battery. I've had no issues with it and I plan on driving it into the ground before replacing it. For the price, it's a hard to pass up if you need a good commuter car. Road trips do suck but it is achievable.
As a owner of a 17 bolt premier and a Ioniq 5 se I can tell you the bolt is a fantastic car for the money. You can absolutely road trip the bolt as we drive it everywhere. Yes it takes awhile to charge but if your not in a hurry it is great! The bolt has things the Ioniq 5 SE does not. Heated steering wheel, leather seats, front camera and 360 view. Home charging is easy and always charges overnight for Pennies.
Hey Max as a part of this series, you should go into getting a EVSE or an outlet installed. That would follow the narrative of new owners getting a used car and getting the charger setup at home.
A big downside with the bolt is the charging curve. It would be a lot better if it held the 55 kw peak rate through 80%+ but it starts throttling pretty significantly before 50%. It's still a really great option though!
While I agree that that sucks, it might actually be a good thing. The charging curve is so gentle on the battery, it might make it such that 10 years later, you’re still getting great range out of it. And for the average driver, who’s only doing 40 miles a day anyway, this isn’t an issue. You charge at home with your level 2 charger and wake up to a charged battery, ready to go. The slow charging speed only affects those who do a lot of long distance driving. If you’re often doing (more than 3 times every month) 300+ miles in a single day, then this car isn’t for you.
In my opinion this Bolt is a $15-$18K vehicle. Tops. But, with the government offering an "under 25k" handout next year, that alone will actually keep prices high. It'll probably have the exact opposite impact on used EVs.
I'm going to say this, too: If you are looking to compare a nice 'used' Bolt with a 'brand new ev tax credit' Bolt, you might also be 'assuming' that the ev tax credit is a given: IT IS NOT. Most folks, especially those looking for a lower-priced entry-level EV, are probably also NOT going to have a $7,500 TAX BURDEN to offset the 'credit'(basically, you won't get the credit, or the full value of it, as you might assume), and you won't KNOW this until you file your taxes. Then, it's too late. You'll have to have a LOT of taxable income to create $7,500 worth of 'tax burden', especially considering your first 'married filing deduction' is already $26,000 of Income BEFORE you pay your first penny in any taxes, then the next $22,000 of income is only at 10%(which is $2,200 of taxes, without considering any other credits, deductions, etc), then the next $45,000 is at 12%, etc.) You'd be surprised. Maybe the tax credit will be much easier to 'assume' in coming years, but it seems that right now, the gamble is about like going to Vegas - you're hyped up about the chances of 'winning', so you throw your money on the table with much less regard than when you're at home paying the bills.
I dont mind the "start/stop" button. In cars without them, if the driver gets out and you still have passengers it will turn off the car. Thats really annoying.
I plan on getting a 2023 Bolt. I'm not a road tripper but if I do a couple of road trips in the future I have no problem hanging out at the charger for about an hour or so because I love watching movies and TV shows on my phone. So slow charging won't be a problem for me. I'm nearly 💯% sure you'll be getting the Bolt. Gr8 vid as usual. 🚙 🇺🇸
Bolt is the best value for the dollar. It has that fast acceleration that people come to expect from EVs, it has liquid cooling in the pack so it shouldn’t see massive range loss over time like Nissan Leafs and the old Ioniq might and they all have brand new battery packs due to the recall. Even high mileage bolts have the new battery. They are uniquely a better deal than all other cheap EVs unless you need better fast charging.
Edit: given new prices w/rebate go new imo. Full warranty is nice. Bolt is great low-cost long'ish range ev. For some it could be their only car. For a fun daily driver with less range I'd take the mini cooper ev you mentioned at the beginning instead. More fun to drive and has some character coming in around $25k new after fed+co rebates.
@@king-crane4956 Thanks, you are right, I forgot it no longer qualifies for the EV incentives. I'd still have one as a fun local car, but certainly not in "deal" category.
@@cbenson513 ah ok. I had crossed it off my list when the incentive dropped. If they could bunch the range up that would still be a steal for a city EV.
Great eco car. I love my hot hatch but she was born with 3 fixable problems via the Bolt EV forum: 1. Worst is tires in snow or rain, fix with snow tires on OEM rims and get LS contact tires on Chevy Cruze Eco Rims. 2. Heater drains battery, fix is to install efficient PTC heater through inverter or direct 12 V hookup. 3. Front seats get uncomfortable within an hour or sooner depending on body type and health, fix is a seat cushion or sliding some foam under the upholstery.
@@davidmccarthy6061 the new battery comes with a new battery warranty. My 2017 LT got a new battery & warranty with over 50k miles on it. Almost like it became a new car for free.
Sorry, $24k isn't cheap. Cheaper isn't cheap. That's a lot of gasoline in my paid off gas guzzler. Even at $5 per gallon. I appreciate this series though. Please, keep it up.
Hey Max, How does a 2019 Bolt EV only have a range of 237/238, same as with original chemistry pack. Is that bolt (a 2019!) still on it’s original pack? I would NEVER advocate buying a pre-recall completion Bolt EV, esp 2019. Or is there some regulatory snafu that keeps the ranges for the range upgrade from the recall being attached to the vehicle?
I agree picking up a sub-$25k Bolt is a great idea but aren’t the prices going to go up starting 1/1/23? The dealers are all going to know that the buyers are going to be getting tax credits. Won’t they try to absorb them for themselves? The only Bolts available got sub-$25k will be really high mileage that should be only $20k but they’ll try to sell them for $24k. My prediction.
Though the credit might not have as significant an impact until 2024 - in 2023 it won't be applied at the time of purchase, so won't feel as impactful on the price in the dealership..
Let me add this. I owned a 21 bolt. The seats were awful, the charging speeds limiting. The suspension harsh. The 2022 the suspension was better the seats improved but not enough for my liking.m, the charging speed stayed the same.
Some corrections. The new battery is 65 KW not 60. The epa range is 259 on that battery. I get about 280 on my 22 Bolt EV. No way would I pay 26k for a 19 Ev since you can buy a new 1lt for a bit over 26k. Charging rate is not an issue for us and to compare it to 50 or 60 k vehicles isnt really a fair comparison. I can buy two Bolts for the cost of an Ioniq 5 or EV 6 or even a model 3 many of us are not going to toss $50-$80 grand on a car. If you drive a mini then obviously you dont either One if the criticisms is that many of your reviews are not suited to the general public. I also dont care about a power button. Give me a break I
I tried one of these as an Uber rental so I could compare Kia, Volvo, Chevy and Polestar. The "Fast charge" on a 22 model was laughable and not good at all for ride-sharing. I see a 2019 with 20k miles here now for 12k before the tax credit. I am gonna do it for commuting only as I can just plug it into the garage overnight and keep just enough charge to get me through the week.
My understanding it's a TAX CREDIT. So you have to have your Federal Taxes at least the amount at least the amount of TAX CREDIT in full. I leased a 2019 Bolt 1LT. Drove it over 25,000 miles. Cost me $30 to $33 per month for 1,000 miles of city and highway driving. ONLY OUTPOINT I observed was windshield wiper arms had too much tension and caused the rubber blades to rapidly bounce (like a machine gun). Tried upgrading to Bosch silicone blades. Did not help. Then GM made me a straight settlement offer on Lemon Law Terms (vs. volunteer buy back) that I could not refuse! 2019 Bolt 1LT was $39,000. Now the 2023 Bolt 1LT is $25,400. However, on Jan 2, 2023 GM increased price by $900. GM currently does not offer price protection for those 'bench ordered' in Aug 2022! Sad for sure. However, dealer may or may not offer price protection. I was alerted by dealer that on May 27, 2023 my 'bench order' from Aug 2022 finally was being 'allocated' by GM for production. Yay! Hope to have a Vin# in 30 days. In any event whether you purchase a used Bolt from 2017-2022 you will be receiving a NEW battery and warranty on new battery. All in all Chevy Bolt be it EV or EUV is the best bang for your buck with 250 mile range as long as you obey the speed limits. Also you will receive a notification your 'pushing it too hard at 92 mph. Hope my comment helps.
I've had my 2019 Premier since brand new, including 4 Canadian winters. Love it and plan to keep it for as long as possible. GM has created a masterpiece.
Why would you buy that for $26,000 when you can get a new one for almost the same amount of money. By the way I bought a 2017 Chevy Bolt in September of 2021 for $15,200. it was perfect! Great Car and I got the new 66kwh, Battery for free!
When reviewing the Bolt, please change the Drivers display to the more advanced option. It gives you much more information you desire. You left it on the basic “dumb” option. Best items on the Premier trim are the birds eye view for parking and the Video rear view mirror. And I believe heated seats in the rear as well, in case one has children in cold weather. FYI.
Agreed! Should always used Enhanced configuration!!! Currently it is configured for the middle "Modern" and not the basic "Classic". Note: Classic configuration was removed starting 2022. - Classic configuration displays the speedometer with a simplified battery gauge and efficiency light. - Modern configuration displays the speedometer with a battery gauge and efficiency gauge. - Enhanced configuration displays the speedometer with battery gauge, efficiency ring, and power gauge.
It's a really fun little car to drive. I have a 2022 bolt ev and I love it. Yes the whole battery issue thing going on sucks. On the other hand it's an affordable ev for those who can't afford a much nicer ev like Tesla. But it gets the job done .
@@wassiswallylokhankin191 Oh, I am very calm. I test drove it and I was gobsmacked how this thing went off from stand. I love that car just from that single test drive I took.
I love my 2020 Bolt Premier and was looking to upgrade to the Hyundai IONIQ5 as my lease is over in 2 months. I’ve been on waitlists for nearly a year with no phone call. After seeing your video, I think I will just keep the Bolt: I still have not heard from Chevy about the timing of my battery replacement, which will reset the clock on longevity, and exhausted from slimy dealers trying to get $10,000 over MSRP out of me. Thank you for helping me see my car through a clear lens!
Oh, and I also live in Colorado (10,000’ elevation) and with some cheap snow tires, the Bolt stays glued to the ground (much better than my previous GTI). AWD is apparently not the prerequisite I once thought. (Range reduced with cold and studs to 185). With free town charging, I’ve spent less than $100 In energy costs for over 30,000 miles. Unbeatable.
My Polestar doesn't have a power button. My wife's ID.4 does. Stop being lazy! Buttons are better! I HATE having less control. Best case in point? The driver has to get out on a cold or hot day, but the passenger has no need. Guess what? Your passenger gets to freeze or cook until the driver comes back. Sure, you can just use your app to turn the ac back on, but how is that better than just having a power button? At the very least, the ID.4 button is optional to use.
Agree. I often need to leave my dog in the car while going into a store, and being able to leave the climate control on while I'm out of the car is important for his safety and comfort. For city driving, the range impacts of 30 minutes of idling is negligible, and unlike gas cars, there's no pollution doing it. It should be allowed.
the Answer: YES(but NOT from Carvana, WAY overpriced!) .................... we now own a 2019 BOLT, too($19,900 private party, no ev credit)..... it's an amazing machine: amazing how life changes : )
The Bolt is legendary for some of the most painfully abysmal seats ever inflicted upon humanity in the history of all mankind. So, can you actually drive the thing to Walmart and head back without stopping at a chiropractor on your way home?
Always drive in "sport" as it just makes it feel quicker, especially at the stop lights. Good tech, heated seats and steering wheel are a must. Change out those original tires for real tires, you'll be amazed at how well it perfoms in the snow.
I bought a used 2017 Premier for about 18 in 2020, drove it 50K more miles and sold it back to Chevy for 22 with shot tires (due to the recall). As far as maintenance I did have to fill the washer fluid reservoir. I picked up a used 2012 Volt Premier for 7.3 that I can ALMOST get to the free charging at work. I do miss the Bolt because of how much fun it is to drive. Yes I'm a total cheapskate so I'll wait till the market gets back to normal.
One thing to consider in the new vs old debate is that for the new cars, Chevrolet includes a level 2 charger installation (or enough money towards one with a simple setup. I believe that if he installation is complicated, you have to pay the difference). So the $26,000 for the new car includes that level 2 charger whereas the used car doesn’t. I don’t know how much a level 2 installation is or how much Chevrolet credits toward it but it’s an additional bargaining chip against a used car that’s only $1,000 or so cheaper than a new one.
I loved my 2020 bolt. I got it right before the 23s were released. I got GM to buy it back, which was very hard to do, the worst customer service ever!! Every single person I talked to lied to me. The CEO lied to buyers and investors. If that 2019 battery has been replaced it should have the same battery as a 2023. I had it for over a year and only used a level 1 charger and drove an average of 30 miles a day. Now that I have two Niro EVs we have a level 2 charger.
I live in Iowa and in winter I never got above 1 m/kW in the bolt. A heat pump is a must in an EV in cold climates. In my Niro EV with a heat pump I get about 3 m/kW in the winter, EPA is 3.7 m/kW
