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Tabula Rasa if you respond to Black Lives Matter with “All Lives Matter” then yes, you are racist, because you fail to acknowledge the oppression that the Black community faces and that research and data has backed up. All Lives Matter was never a saying, an org, nothing, until Black Lives Matter was created which again, shows that it was made with nefarious intent.
@@thaliap3125 no it doesn't make you racist to say "all lives matter" it's just asking you to think about the other people "Asians, Hispanic, middle eastern, etc" don't there lives matter too? if you say no then your the ones who are racist
Yeah that's because everyone else is wrong except her, that's most people nowadays, she was adamant that those police officers have see abuse of power, like "ok lady, keep telling me what I've seen".
She kept disrupting a powerful and needed conversation with lots of different viewpoints. I think most of us viewers would’ve respected her points that she made more if she respected other people’s points too, even the ones that agreed with her. It seemed like any time someone said something, she had to argue it in an aggressive manner. Gloria has a story, but I can’t hear it over the anger in her heart.
Dorien is fed up with gloria lmao. Gloria literally said "no dorien you arent gonna talk because I'm still talking" and then interrupts him when he talks???? Lmao what
The problem is most of the looters are not protesters, they are just taking advantage of it. EDIT: Thank you for spreading the message, together we can work to distance the great and hard work of peaceful protesters from the awful behavior of looters who simply use the opportunity to drag the media attention away from the real problem.
absolutely, ive seen videos of protestors helping shop owners get rid of looters. Sure the looters mightttttt be paid off but more likely there just some assholes saying hey look cops are busy with protestors lets go loot
The young black dude gets it. He is willing to talk, and willing to listen. The Latina woman is willing to do nothing but protest. She has no concern for listening. She only wants people to listen to her. I , personally, would be against her, and her alone.
I'm black and I fully supported the BLM movement, but I was never a huge fan of the whole ACAB stuff. I don't understand how you can even come to the conclusion that every single cop in existence is objectively evil just because they are cops. And most cops join the police because they legitimately want to help and protect people. Idk it just seem very systemic and prejudicial to me, and if the whole point of BLM was to protest agaisnt bigotry and prejudice, then I don't think that doing the exact same thing is really gonna help our cause.
@@AhseemCarter So males don't ever say anything out of feelings? Cuz I've heard a lot of men yell. And that feeling is anger. I don't like how "Women can't do [whatever] right, because they only act based on emotion" Like nah lol and men act the same too when something's gettin heated. You never meet a level-headed woman, or just don't have many female friends?
Gloria- No, I’m not gonna stop talking for you. Dorian- Sorry, I shouldn’t have interrupted you. *5 minutes later.* Gloria- *Interrupts Dorian without apologizing.*
Ethan Hayes hey! I really liked your view points on things, a lot of them sharing my own. I loved you sharing your opinions and standing up for what you believe in in the best way!💕💕
@Nateplays The ironic thing is that all these comments condemning her for her alleged endorsement of looting are acting substantially more emotionally and irrational considering they aren't even engaging with her ideas. People are calling her a bad person and closed minded when nobody is even considering her POV when it comes to the subject of colonialism.
Most of gloria’s statements were conflicting with each other. At this point I have dismissed her opinion due to how her point of view is so one way. I don’t believe anyone is wrong in this whole protest sparking up and I hope we can come to an agreement . People like Gloria make the situation worse and make the BLM protest seem violent in the way that she condones violence.
@@pacificislander976 I was making a joke... I was particularly disgusted when she brought up that this country is stolen land so therefore its ok to riot
@@thefvguy5648 So that gives you the right to burn down innocent peoples property? Steal from them? Beat them? Commit hate crimes? To take over cities like Portland simply because they're ran by vultures and inhabited by weak folks? You people need to stay away from north Florida. Black lives may matter, but whiny self made victims lives don't... and neither do their families, pets, or anyone whom they've ever broken bread with.
Yeah, she was hypocritical. It's disappointing to see that she brought up good points to debate, but didn't want to see or acknowledge what the other viewpoints were. Her attitude was distasteful and disrespectful.
@@SSaturn I agree that she could have been more polite but tbf to her, no one was being polite to her. Its exceedingly hard to ignore disrespect so I dont blame her for losing her temper and respect for people who were not only disregarding multiple valid points but also disrespecting her.
Brian: Understands his early life is in stark contrast to others and wants to understand them better Will: Wants to find a middle ground between police and the community Dorien: Wants to makes sure that at the end of the day police can do their best and that resources aren't being wasted and crime doesn't soar Henessy: Wants to promote a sense of empowerment for young members Ethan: literally the best dialogue from a protestor I have seen. He is understanding and able to present his opinions in a civil and powerful manner. His leadership would definitely be able to produce an olive branch between both sides. Gloria: ...
I was actually surprised he agreed, with how much passion he has for his job and the way he seemed at first. But it honestly gained a lot of respect from me that he was onboard with that narrative.
@Leeber Gruber How come police funding get increased while health, education and other important pulic spending gets cut all the time? To defund the police and redirect funds to other things makes sense unless we want expanding military police forces occupying their citizens with violence and terror.
daveruda defunding the police will simply make their job harder, like including non-lethal weapons. thus, meaning they’ll most likely use their service weapon and shoot on site bc they won’t have any other option. that’s just one a few reasons why defunding the police isn’t a good idea
The black guy with a beard is what protesters should be, people like him are the ones that can make a difference, i feel like gloria doesnt know what shes talking about
@@snowflakesfall6891 He claimed he was pushed or hands put on him first. Eother way, his response was that of a protestor not a rioter. Gloria wil never meet in the middle. Shes too indoctrinated in the ways of " making the present pay for the past" She comments of stolen land. Every land today has been taken from someone. Its not an excuse to loot, riot and destroy. She will never see it any other way.
@@kal-eljordan8329 exactly i dont like riots and don't support them but a am able to understand that nothing has changed in the past years of peacefully protests. However most "looters" are just opportunistic and shouldn't be associated with blm or peaceful or maybe even violent protests.
snowflakes fall he was pushed after he was going to a place he was respectfully allowed to be he pushed back he as he said not the best thing he could of done but shouldn’t have ended with the police pepper spraying him
i really enjoyed hearing from Ethan. he remained respectful and open-minded to other viewpoints. overall, this was a really well-needed discussion :) empathy and communication is truly vital
Vard Ferd Ethan is like me we try to see both sides of things. We try to see both sides of the argument and that’s what’s going to help move things forward. Cuz honestly both sides can learn from each other!
I didn’t like how Gloria said that looting is ok because my business got looted and burned down and it was very hard to get everything back into control
As a Black man I choose to let history be history and not judge someone for what their ancestors did. Edit: Okay bruh if my father kills someone should I have to serve life in prison with my father?
well, some people are racist in the present. Like.. in today’s society. And that’s the problem being any analyzed in this video. AND IM SO GLAD that all the cops are respectful. Not all cops are “bad” (this is NOT what ACAB stands for ) but all cops are most definitely bastardized. (Meaning: working for a corrupt system that needs to be fixed from the inside out)
👍👍 An it might not even be their ancestors lmaoo they could just share the same skin tone! I aint about to judge someone for the actions of their own fathers, let alone their long dead ancestor or some long dead person who has NO RELATION to you except for they happen to have the same skin color 😂😂
Gloria is so disrespectful. She always on her phone anytime an officer was talking. She doesn’t want to listen to other perspectives or change, she just wants to argue and blame all her problems on others. Childish and an embarrassment for all the people who fight for change.... 🤦♂️
Icee A I’m sick of trying to defend Gloria it’s exhausting.. I don’t wanna hear comments about bashing Gloria. That isn’t helping the problem. By y’all talking about Gloria it’s taking attention away from the real deal. The racism problem and police brutality conversation that is being talked about in this conversation. It makes it seems like y’all just wanna pick at Gloria and bash her. Smdh
6:13 imagine: a small-town person or immigrant has always dreamt of having their own shop or café, etc. and they finally get a chance to own their own business, then protesters come along and start looting, and vandalize the location, the shop owner has to pick up the pieces, even though they're just an innocent bystander, in this scenario. Is that okay ? Not to mention the fact that a lot of the times black people are being called “thugs” because looters decided to destroy the city. No, that's not okay. I strongly disagree.
THIS! My 70 year old grandmas alteration shop got looted and vandalized. She came to this country twenty years ago with nothing and worked to hard to start her business and make it successful, only to have ignorant ass people tear it all down in a matter of minutes. Worst part was, SHE WAS THERE while they broke in and looted the place, and she was obviously too scared and physically incapable of stopping them.
I have a friend with this exact situation. He had a small sandwich shop in Atlanta, GA. Some protesters came and destroyed his shop. H’s also black btw.
Police killed 900 since 2000 If you go with the average of 151 police officers who get killed every year on duty, we are around 3100 cops until now who got killed on duty in the same amount of time... tell me again why officers don’t need heavy guns and stuff... 🙄
TinyBebe heavy guns? Or specialized training like FBI agents or American soldiers. You can become a police officer straight out of high school with 6 months of training. We wouldn’t have so many of them dying or even killing unnecessarily if most of them were properly trained.
@@KRIS-gv1iz both you and them are true though, all in all our police force should be funded more if anything, to make sure every recruit is trained properly.
Yeah, it was great seeing people be open minded, respectful of each other, and overall having a great conversation. I would say everyone demonstrated the same amount of respect towards each other (excluding gloria of course)
I feel bad for her. I also say that she may be right to a degree as the officer said, corruption starts at the top and trickles down to the local level. I personally never had a bad encounter with law enforcement but another person may have had hellish experiences with them throughout their life. All we can do is improve what we have and if not then a complete overhaul is in order.
AgentRiley007 don’t you think it also boils down to the fact that she’s the one who gets into trouble. No one is forcing her to break the law. I’m not gonna feel sorry for her if she is literally doing it to herself. It’s not like she’s a victim of racism if she is doing something bad and gets arrested for it. That’s how it would be for any person no matter what color of skin you have. Last time I checked people of every race is rotting in jail and it’s not like people often get into jail without doing the crime that’s super rare. She did it to herself and I don’t feel sorry no matter how much she makes herself to be the victim.
It's amazing when you put five adults with differing viewpoints in a room together to just have a conversation. By the end of the video, those five managed to find common ground. This is why dialogue is so important.
@@glowhoo9226 get one of the blue ones with malleable wire and adjust it to your nose and cheeks to stop air from going into your glasses or wear contacts or im pretty sure there are some that make it way easier to breathe but idk look into it
@@glowhoo9226 Studies have shown that people with asthma can wear one and that people that have hard time breathing still have 99% oxygen in their blood with or without a mask, so no. And wear a mask that has a hole at the bottom and doesnt push your hot ass breath in your glasses. I wear glasses and a mask perfectly fine.
The_SCP _Foundation I have a friend with severe asthma and she wears her mask. I don’t have asthma, and I will say that at first it is hard to wear masks. I do wear glasses however, and I do not find it to be an issue. I think that I’d rather wear a mask, especially if I had asthma, than risk getting COVID-19. Asthmatic people are in one of the most at risk groups. So yes, I think not wearing a mask is selfish. And glasses may cause some discomfort, but I’d rather have a slight pain on my face than suffering from a pandemic. (Apologies if my English is not the best, English is not my first language. :) )
I don’t like the argument of stolen land for justifying looting. The people who created their business here aren’t the one who stole this land. And some of them probably don’t approve the fact that it happened. You can’t blame them.
I personally don’t condone looting small and independent businesses. And protesters in this case typically aren’t opportunistic and loot just for the fun. But I most definitely can understand destruction and defamation of things like confederate soldiers in the form of statues and such, out of anger. Because at the end of the day we’re human, and we’re tired of this. It’s been constant since we were brought here.
It's not a matter of blame it's a matter of responsibility. If you buy a used car from someone and then it turns out later that car had been stolen, you're not to blame for stealing it, but you should be responsible for giving it back.
When you have people like Gloria in these types of talks you lose no matter what. She is so disconnected, uneducated, and wrong as a whole, you can never make true progress to bridge the gap
Jana Fawzy when Gloria was talking about oh it is ok to loot because we were enslaved. Whites can do it then also! We were enslaved by black Egyptians for more than 400 years
All these comments are ridiculous cause you ignore the other two protestors that disagreed. Why does Gloria speak for all the defund the police people?
ellie the vast majority of Mexicans are mestizos( share dna with and have ancestors who were Spaniards) so some of their ancestors were “land thieves” as well.
Gloria claims to respect other people, but also admits that she doesn't respect peoples' property or livelihoods. Looting and/or rioting is not productive for the cause.
Yes. I hope she never experienced a burglary. I'd assume she has and justifies her views by "well it happened to me so it should to others." This the truth of modern day equality. It is rarely about bringing everyone up, but bringing people down. It is more common than we care to admit.
I think what sucks is hearing gloria say she was an 11 year old juvie. Sounds like she had a rough and unkind childhood. What's interesting about that is people like gloria who dont have proper parenting on a nurturing level get wired to be apathetic if it happens to them early enough. I cannot relate to her struggles, but I know that my parents divorce and the lack of attention and direction screwed me over for years starting from age 10 onward. I'm 28 and am coming to terms with a lot of demons. I dont remember much of high school. Just straight depression and social anxiety due to the fact I felt betrayed and neglected. And that's me coming from a household that still provided everything I could ever need to be otherwise comfortable. Gloria.....probably didn't have any of that. Neuroscientists are discovering these things and are trying to find therapies for this kind of trauma that happens so young it may as well be as stubborn to correct as an early development brain injury. I think the most important thing I have ever learned in regards to childhood trauma is it has far less to do with skin color and income and more to do with if you grow up in a city or outside one and if you have two caring parents or not. Cities in general are anomalies to our primitive brains.
The stolen land argument is irrelevant cause at the end of of the day, no one directly originated from America. Certain amount The "natives' migrated from parts of asia to what U.S.A is today and were the first humans here back then there were no laws or anything. A couple hundred years later the Europeans migrated here and took over.
I'm native and I find the saying stolen land is ridiculous, I always tell my Kin when they say stuff like that, I say "Then fight all the non-natives, you're not gonna get the land back by kneeling with your fist raised holding a feather" I appreciate my country and I dont have a victim mindset, I am not oppressed.
I mean you have to understand that Gloria is native american. Her anger is valid because her people were killed, raped and beaten by colonizers. They used violence to harm groups of people. The police officers probably reminded her of that. People may be blinded by anger but that isn't her fault and she's smary enough for people to challenge her ideas even if you don't agree with her.
She just wanted to be heard. She was probably hired by racists to poorly show what the movement is about so BLM gets less support. Jubilee should have remade this video with someone else.
@@benmyers8476 the issue is that there are people on that side who do think like her and have her views. It would have been disingenuous to not show those people exist.
I think it shows we have more common ground when we all talk face to face instead of just watching shows like CNN. Gloria seems to be the one who prefers to watch CNN.
Gloria is when you have a write a 5 page essay, but you only have 2 pages worth of information that actually relates to the topic so you put stories from your life, put random quotes that just barely fit the topic, and site stuff that sounds smart to drag it out
Lol, I've done that tho, but I was at least on topic and saying relevant stuff, gloria is the person who writes about a dead pet when the essay is about Gorge Washington.
I am a 19 year old, so almost everyone I know is like Gloria. Sometimes, I feel really disheartened. Sometimes I feel guilty, like I'm not progressive enough for not supporting looting. I support the protests and the social change they will inevitably bring about. The Glorias of this world are aggressive and belligerent with their points and its scary. Empty vessels make most noise, I guess
I'm a few years older than you, and this is still very true. Being a minority and speaking for myself and telling others like her to not do so for me, my experience has been that they will show someone like me more animosity than anyone else. I don't get it. I'm really hoping that these people can find some degree of peace and nuance because the prospect of them becoming the next generation to hold political power like Baby Boomers do now is terrifying.
I get your point and feeling of not being progressive enough. In movements it is good to have a range of voices, which is why blm is not a centralized movement with a single leader. So it is good to think critically and not set your ideas in stone but listen to the reasons and arguments people put forth. When it comes to this person Gloria I didn't hear her as aggressive in this conversation, nor did I hear her actively supporting looting. I think she made or tried to make a point about understanding the economic reasons and environment that gives rise to that behavior. This idea of 'stolen land' or historical economic housing policies are real and still have discriminatory effects. Also I heard her being critical when it comes to rhetoric the specific association of looting and rioting with protest is racially charged. As it is mostly used to discredit the black lives matter movement as a whole and historically arguments and the narrative of rioting and looting have been used to describe, criminalize and delegitimize black protesters. I'd say listen to what people are saying, and as you state speak up against belligerent speech without immediately disregarding the content of what that person is saying. These are very complicated issues to deal with so everyone (and not just people of your age) is also continuously learning how to navigate heated conversations like these without personal judgements and attacks.
You have my sympathies. I can't imagine what it must be like growing up and becoming an adult in a world where the view that "you must support so-called 'minorities' even as they engage in criminal acts because opposing or even criticizing them would be 'racist'" is projected as being the norm. And while the people who hold such views decry what they (laughably) believe to be 'racism' as being the greatest crime of all, they simultaneously spend all day and night proclaiming that one race is responsible for all the evils in the world, that one race is 'the great oppressor' and that it is morally justifiable for that one race to be brutalized and victimized because of those reasons which stem from their own laughably biased view of history.
The Hillbilly, police brutality? The latest fbi data showed that out of 10,000,000 arrest, there were only 1000 cases where police had to use a lethal weapon. So I REJECT the statement that there is any police brutality.
Gloria just doesn't want policing? Does she not realise the rest of the world has police? She's so rude and interrupted Dorian so many times and he said nothing.
Obviously you must be a supporter of The Police...yeah it has Police, but Honestly what is it really for if in the End they're not held accountable when they do something WRONG? What's it FOR?
I mean... this has been me, but not to the extent of Gloria.. she kinda pissed me off and it's like she had a closet mindset and didn't want to hear the other side.
I actually felt really bad for her. She’s probably gone through some major stuff that would give her this view of the world. I hope she finds peace, I think that will happen once she’s ready to open up, I just hope she does before things get worse.
People like Ethan have genuinely helped me see the other side of the issue. People like Gloria are the ones that get people reactive and stuck in their ways.
“Looting isn’t right, but what about...” she seriously admitting something is wrong but saying it’s ok because evil people have done bad things in the past
James Cordes Yeah, that didnt make sense. You have to be specific when talking about Native Americans. What tribe? Okay, who was here before them and so forth. It’s not like it was “Kumbaiya”. That’s reality.
they should hit the response closer to home. Would she think looting ok if that meant her home or where she does her daily activity was looted during a protest. she only answered like that because it didn't effect her, if she was robbed during a protest she'll be singing a different tone.
@A Bt not hers she never owned never experienced slavery it was both of our ancestors (im assuming she is a native) we both did bad things but its not just white Americans the Egyptians had slaves and most of them were black
Gloria was incredibly passionate but also a little blind. Anyone who doesn’t listen to the person they’re arguing with, will NEVER change their mind. And she didn’t listen at all.
I definitely agree. But unfortunately these conversations can get personal really quickly, as shown with her anecdotes. Her experience with the police was horrible no matter how you wanna twist it. I can’t imagine getting arrested as an 11 year old. And I strongly believe that she’s also surrounded by people who have similar negative experiences with the police. That amount of trauma and hatred can’t be easily reasoned with. She definitely has very strong opinions that seem hard to change, but I guess what I’m trying to say is she has her reasons. I also think the police accidentally interrupting her while she was telling her story just inflamed that and made her more unwilling to listen. And I don’t even agree with a lot of her view points.
Michelle Zhang that’s the problem though. Why are police even allowed to put handcuffs on an 11 year old? They create trauma and then wonder where it came from as that person gets older.
@@respiir Ok, but did she describe the situation in detail? Think about it this way, if you're a shitty cop, and you are looking to arrest someone because you are trying to reach a quota, wouldn't you at least go after someone who is a little bit older? Maybe find some random drunk person and say they were being violent? I sincerely doubt that she was entirely innocent in that situation. Did she deserve to be arrested? Probably not, but we can't say for sure unless we have all of the facts.
She gets her information from her life experience. You're right, I think therapy is important for everybody, if youre especially POC in this country, but especially especially if you're a WOKE POC who is fighting the good fight on the grounds trying to organize your community to push back against white supremacist system
@@Hi-ki4vo Yup! Like if the police force was just that, then why are there POC and black people working inside police force? Like it does not make sence.
@@jodi_3380 I dont think appearance has anything to do with it. I think have an opposing view is good and starts discussion. Its just that she was very closed minded and rude
@@jodi_3380 She had an opposing view, but she refused to listen to anyone else. Also, she basically said, 'slavery happened 200years ago, so we're allowed to commit any crime we want '. She is the reason many people don't support BLM, she is just far to radical for people.
Talking abt human rights isn’t a debatable topic luv. she heard them clearly, however she is explaining to them how it rly is. y’alls true colors are rly showing. 😗
@@Therealtuxedo I don’t think so, because a lot of times people who just hop on the activism bandwagon, don’t do in depth research about the topic and just do it because it’s a hot topic for the time being, and with Gloria it shows. Her logic is flawed when it comes to the relationship between cops and the African American community.
@@timayjust Your joking right? You're saying you're completely fine with her interrupting people but then getting mad one 1 person interrupts her and apologizes. She doesn't listen to any of their points and acts like her opinion is the only one that should be considered. Everyone else took each other's points and were open to changing their ideas. She brings up points completely irrelevant to the topic like how she kept arguing that we're are on stolen land. Almost every country is stolen land, even the native Americans would steal land from Eachother. So yes, she does make her side look bad.
Her only argument in favor of looting is the ‘stolen land’ argument, but the looters aren’t discriminating. Black-owned, immigrant-owned, minority-owned, and even NATIVE-OWNED businesses are being looted and destroyed. How does that make up for stolen land? EDIT: I want to clarify that the majority of US land was stolen from Native Americans, and the US government has repeatedly screwed over indigenous peoples since the country’s founding to this very day. I am not denying any of that, and there ABSOLUTELY needs to be justice for Native Americans. However, using the ‘stolen land’ argument to defend looting small businesses, including pro-BLM small businesses, including Native-owned small businesses, is ridiculous. Looting takes away from the goals of BLM, and it cheapens weight the systematic oppression and injustices Native peoples have faced for hundreds of years. Also, for those of you saying it wasn’t really stealing because the Native people didn’t have a ‘proper’ understanding of land ownership, your argument is flawed because you’re using Western European land trading systems as the standard. Native peoples had their own concept of land ownership. Just because their ideologies differed from those of the European settlers does not mean that the Europeans had a right to take the land.
Leng Jih Sue if you wanna be real .. real .. real .. real .. real technical Not everything is black owned, Hispanic, native owned etc. if you think about it when the ones that are “self owned” businesses. Money has a way of monopolizing everything. There is always some big type of corporation taking over. In many businesses you have to give your money to a higher power. You still have to pay for taxes, the federal government has a way of interfering, big banks control lots of businesses and there are so many other factors. Where everything is not really self owned and someone can still try to take your money away.
Elmira Adili The problem is the majority of looters are just there to take advantage of the situation for their selfish gain. Sure there are people specifically targeting Walmarts and other big businesses, but the majority of looters aren’t showing up for justice.
I hate the “Stolen land” argument. First off, it wasn’t “stolen”. They didn’t sneak onto in the middle of the night and steal it’s dead. Some of it was bought in fair trade and some of it was conquered in war. It wasn’t a pretty history and a lot of the actions our government took to get the land was disgusting and reprehensible, but it wasn’t “stolen” land. Also, let’s say we give the land back. To who? Just to anyone who identifies as Native American? Or are you suggesting we give it back to the tribes who owned it before us? Because they stole the land from the tribes who lives there before them, who stole the land from the tribes who lived there before them, who stole the land from the tribes... etc. You’re suggesting we give the land back to, in your own words, people who stole the land? You can’t denounce the US for taking land and then hypocritically suggest we give the land to people who stole the land.
Gloria is the one we all need to fear. She’s the type that will prevent conversations from being had and prevent reasonable conversations. You could see signs of it just in this. It was her, her, her. She didn’t say goodbye or anything. The first to back out. People like her are the real threat to change.
she literally told the guy about how horribly corrupt the police in her area are and he suggested that he goes for a drive by with them because he is also close minded and ignorant that it is an issue. clearly he also failed to see her point and so did you.
Gloria didn’t make any points that made sense, did you know that it necessarily want the white Americans who were the police officers back then, it was the Irish migrants as they created the first fire brigades, they came here and were often favored for these jobs like police officers and firefighters because they were seen as expendable people, most dangerous at the beginnings of this country were done by the Irish for that very reason
Man this chica is a handful. She gives Democrats a bad name and is why a lot of middle and right wing people don’t want to have conversations with the left because they expect them to be like this girl. She’s what I would refer to as far left, or alt left, if there’s a difference feel free to correct me
Unknown Chaos I disagree actually. I think she’s a young person that’s been through so much before she even reached 25 that she sees the corruption going on in the world and has joined the cause to dismantle it. I mean we can all agree that the system is fucked whether your right or left wing. People are picking their roles in this fight against the system and like any fight, a lot of different people are needed. From the slightly courageous to the extremists.
@@melaaajasummers9117 bruh, look at history, this is literally the best time to be alive. Every system is fucked in their own way but pointing out the fact *this* system is fucked, is literally less than helpful when you're theoretically trying to make it better. Also; wtf are you talking about; "fight". Ya know there used to be a thing called "discussion". Crazy concept but if everyone agrees this is a bad thing and everyone wants to stop it; why aren't people just talking to find a good solution? Instead of, idk just yelling slogans and making noise. My theory is that people on that "side" (those who think violence can and *should* be used to stop violence) don't care about solving problems, they're just acting out the vengeful and monolithic nature of a mob. If you think, that this "fucked system" is so beyond repair that any and all methods should be utilized (I.e. ends justify the means) I recommend you stop talking. I can't even get into why that's such an arrogant/evil idea without producing a whole book of HORRIFIC examples. Look up any historical revolution ever that was predicated on that idea and it will explain itself. There's a reason people like Ghandi and MLK were successful and it wasn't by; "destroy the system and replace it from scratch".
She had way too much air time...They always needed to end each section, with giving the protestors the last word and if he did ask her a question...they new that the risk of her argument falling apart was too high...
Her argument essentially was "Slavery existed therefore people can commit any crime they want." A fantastic defense that I'm sure will work in any courtroom. I can't wait to get away with grand theft auto because slavery existed 200 years ago.
No that’s not what she’s saying. She’s saying that people have been asking for change and nothing has happened. MLK asked for change...our grandparents asked for change, you still expect us to keep ‘asking’. Stop trying to point out a bad guy and really try to understand
yoshaun hunter I understand that. But when you use violence or you become a looter. You ruin your point. Peaceful protest is the way to go. If all the protest all large crowds are peaceful it would go better. Also when you try to group all of the police together it’s messed up because it’s like everything in life, there are the good and the bad. By saying all cops are bad you just make it so the cops get offended. When you use violence you are setting your self up for failure. No one sees the problems you face. And you will never get anywhere with it because the government will always be in control
Eli D you’re still not hearing , people have been peaceful and there is still systemic injustice.....they haven’t been hearing our whispers so they need to hear our screams, we have been asking for the arrest of the people who murdered breonna Taylor has anything happened? Nope. If Slaves kept asking to be free there would still be slavery to this day
I think what Gloria was trying to say is that this country and the way it operates has been tainted from the beginning...and that oppression, racism, and slave labor are so tightly intertwined within the frameworks of this society that it needs to be brought down and dismantled to start again. To right the wrongs of the past. Even on the smallest scale. That's why she supports looting because it's a form of destruction of the status quo. And without destruction there can be no creation.
Stolen land? The Mexican government signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. As a Mexican-American, I see “our land” was lost fairly and squarely. If you can’t defend what’s yours, it ceases to be yours. It’s cruel, but it’s nature. You won’t hear an antelope cry injustice as it dies in the jaws of a lion.
It's "reparations". Funny how other races that were previously enslaved or discriminated against at some point in history (nearly all races) don't feel the need to do this, however.
He interrupts people, and refuses to wear a mask at work. He works in Compton, where blacks are disproportionately affected by covid. Do as I say, not as I do. Great perspective.
My first thought was that maybe he wanted more information about the case of her friend who was assaulted by a cop, because he wants to look into it and maybe get it reopened. (Edit: grammar)
Obviously we won't know what he wanted to ask unless he comes in the comment section lol but i would think he would ask her if any of her views changed throughout the conversation or if she would be up to have a conversation with him
I thought that overall they did a good job at being respectful to each other but all of their answers to the Covid 19 question were so irritating to me because it seems that they don't understand that wearing a mask is not about your own safety it's about the safety of others so when the are in crowds on both sides of this they are gambling with other people's lives.
exactly this. the black police officer made it seem like a violation of human rights. instead it's human decency to remember and recognise the harm Ur actions can cause on a third party, oh, maybe a bit like looting 🤷
Wrong if your so worried about the covid don’t go outside you cannot make me wear a mask outside if I go into a store and there rule to wear a mask fine but no way am I wearing one outside
@@greekguy7422 So people aren't supposed to go to the grocery store? How do they get food then? Sure, some of it can be obtained by delivery, but it isn't too hard to be a decent human being a just put a mask on. smh
L. “You’re on the wrong side of history” when talking about juvenile detention centers and prisoners. Like what? Holding people accountable for their crimes is a bad thing?
" we need to recognise that we are on stolen land" that argument makes no sense, being on stolen land doesnt justify further stealing - a native american who has lived on a reservation for most of their childhood
I agree with her. She was right about being on stollen land. But I also agree that a snake eating his own tail goes round and round. It doesn’t excuse more stealing
C W Learn world history. So many modern countries are built upon wars, famine, slaves and death. So many lands conquered in the name of empires. Acknowledge it. But what do you want to do about it? There’s nothing you could do. So instead of raking the issue learn about it
C W yea but all countries stole land... all land is stolen. that’s how the world has worked. and people fought for this land, bought this land and made treaties. even native americans probably had to fight other tribes for their lands. it’s sad but true
it's important to recognize simply because when u are in a country rooted from stolen land, genocide, and blood on the hands on the white man who to this controls all aspects of black lives, what do u expect to come from it? yes most, all countries may come from similar terms, but at the same time, the US is literally infamous in its tragic history of how we treat anyone who isnt white. theres a deeper root, she didn't touch on it as much as she could have, but dont discredit her for pointing out something as simple as a fact, whether or not u think it was related to the question or not. this series is about bringing ideas/thoughts to the table and elaborating on them, so continue to elaborate.
