Should Women Preach in Our Lord's Day Worship Services? A Debate with Tom Ascol and Dwight Mckissic 

There is no question with what the Bible says. Why are we even having this conversation? People need to know the Word of God!

Simple: accept the authority of Scripture and follow it. Simple!

It seems that Pastor McKissic's positions are based in his feelings and emotional responses as opposed to God's Word.

Tom Ascol stands solely on scripture, God's Word is Law.

You put aside God's command and obey human teachings. And Jesus continued, "you have a clever way of rejecting God's law in order to uphold your own teaching. Mark 7:8-9

Silence is not talking about singing it's talking about teaching

*Long post warning* I appreciate the debate, though I did grow frustrated with it from time to time. What I appreciated: 1. Mckissic brought arguments that I had not heard before. Usually, when this position is being debated, the side that affirms female preaching is usually held by someone who does not believe in the inerrancy of the scriptures. Mckissic clearly holds a high view of the Bible and does not want to compromise the importance of its authority. 2. They were cordial and kind toward each other 3. They mostly stuck to the issue at hand What I did not like: 1. Mckissic repeatedly violated the basic rules of debate. He did this by A. Speaking over the top of his opponent B. Asking questions of his opponent, during his opponent's cross-examination time. (This is where Dr. White's "You can ask me that when it is your turn" line comes in handy) C. Using his own cross-examination time to preach, rather than to cross-examine (this is where Dr. White's "Is that a question" line comes in handy) These are important rules. They help ensure that the material is properly covered and that the best possible cases are made. Those were very frustrating violations 2. I don't think it would be unfair of me to claim that Mckissic either held a double standard or simply caught himself in a contradiction (you can decide which one) repeatedly. He did this by: A. Quoting scholars who hold to his position, but then dismissing Ascol's position because some Christians disagree with the position of the scholars that Ascol quoted. So Mckissic can quote scholars who disagree with Ascol's position, but it is invalid for Ascol to quote scholars who disagree with Mckissic's position....because some people disagree with those scholars. B. When Ascol would make the argument for the historical precedents of his positons, Mckissic would say something along the lines of "Yes, but the church has been so wrong on race and gender issues in the past", he would then turn around and try to make an argument for the historical precedents of his own position...by quoting people.....from the same denomination....that he just dismissed.....for being wrong about things in the past. 3. Mckissic equated complementarianism with abuse. This is either slander, or a slip of the tongue. Either way, I am glad that Ascol shut that down. 4. While Mckissic did attempt to make a biblical case for his position, he relied almost completely on anecdotal evidence, experience, and (I believe it is fair to say) emotional pleas. 5. Honestly, I think that the lowest point in the entire debate took place during Mckissic's closing remarks. When he took this issue and turned it into a race issue....I think it reached a new level of low (that is...granting that point #3 was simply a slip of the tongue). This is a horrible way to think about our brothers and sisters. To accuse us of being fine with women preaching, as long as it is not over a white man is....well...it's disgusting. I am not simply trying to take it easy on Ascol. I honestly did not find a logical contradiction, a double standard, or even a violation of basic debate etiquette in his presentation. If there was one thing I would want to change about Ascol's presentation, I would simply want him to be more protective of his time, and not allow Mckissic to eat up so much of it with long stories and mini-sermons. But really, that is the Moderator's job most of the time. However, I do understand that this debate was supposed to be more on the friendly side. I am very thankful for this debate. And I am very thankful that these two brothers both hold to the inerrancy and infallibility of the scripture.

I'm sorry but the black dude is basing his argument on issues that have nothing to do with scripture .

I believe the word of God is powerful and above us We should not bring personal experiences and try to compare to the word I agree with pastor Tom

A 1 hour and 36 min debate that I can sum up in one second....NAH! I had the opportunity to meet Pastor McKissic a few months ago for breakfast while he was here in Houston. Very gracious and warm conversation we had concerning this very subject. A funny story occurred that day that I must share here. I remember before ending our conversation he informed me about his upcoming debate with Tom Ascol and asked if I had any resources that would help better buttress his position. I asked him which position did he support? He said he supports women preaching and teaching in the church. I said, "I got nothing for ya, Doc!" 😉😂

A lot of conflation and experience-driven approaches on Pastor McKissic's part. Women not being allowed to vote, Jim Crow and segregation has NOTHING to do with women being prohibited from teaching and preaching in the LORD'S CHURCH!

Voddie Baucham would say... “if you can’t say Amen, just say OUCH!”

Years ago before his departure, I asked One of my deceased mentors ( whose name I won’t mention), known as undeniably the greatest theological scholar of his time, what Biblical support did he have for women preachers? He responded, “ well I don’t support it from a Biblical posture…” I then kinda tuned out. The Bible does not support women in this position of church authority. It has become culturally acceptable based on the successful rise of feminism, but the church must not be echoes of the world.

It seems that one side says: "This is what God said and continues to say" (Ascol) and the other saying " Did He really?" (Mckissic). McKissic argument and hermeneutical approach is feeling and emotion based. Its the same approach currently being used by the Gay "christian" movement.; infiltrate the church, undermine the word of God and eventually try to destroy the church.

The problem with playing loose with the text on something like this, is chances are they’re playing loose with other parts of the text

Thanks to Dr.Ascol,he has been full of grace in his remarks,well seasoned and tackles the opponent with kindness,he is really a Christian to emulate search a scenario.Congratulions Ascol

Wow! Great example of graciousness by pastor Tom. Much to learn from how he handled this.

Praise God for men like Dr Ascol!

I agree 👍 with Pastor Tom Ascol🙏

One man is guided by what's written in the Bible. The other man is guided by the feelings and emotions of men. One will do anything to secure his paycheck. The other will only say what the Bible says. One believes the Bible as it is written. The other man doesn't believe the Bible. In the end, it comes down to this one thing. It sounds like one man was called, but the other man chooses preaching as his career according to his personal feelings. That's the problem here. This debate shouldn't happen if the Bible was accepted and believed.

Oh this is an easy one. No debate needed. No.

Brilliantly debated Pastor Tom! Bravo!

"Let's be honest. The question on women preachers is not something that God's word is unclear about. What God says is not unclear, its just unpopular." - Tom Ascol Don't really know what to say to that!

I love me some Tom Ascol! He is a very gracious man even on a topic he disagrees on. Tries to be clear as he speaks and most of all stands on the word of God

1 Timothy “I do not permit a woman to teach nor to have authority over a man.”

This was the Greatest spirit filled Debate I have Ever watched!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏Great Job♥

this was great , do you guys have more debates like it on the channel ?

Paul set the standards that we should follow.When we change something then we can change it all.

Thank you! We need more debates like this. Performed graciously for the one goal of glorifying God. I will say that Mckissic used a method of arguing that is in error. History, and what some have done in the past does not validate what God says on a matter. Also, equating white/black to man/woman is also illogical. God did not assign roles to black/white but He did to man/woman. Thank you again for this video. All glory to God!

I'm an African American minister here in Virginia. Thanks to men like Dwight and other unlearned church goers it's almost impossible to find a fellowship that will bring in a man who oppose women preachers. I left the national baptist convention church I was raised in, licensed and ordained in. Now they have a woman leading them. When he and his ilk is done with the SBC, you will be just like the NBC. All anyone has to do in this discussion is Read, Listen and obey the word of God.

McKissic's last comment in his closing statement is very telling as to why he ultimately doesn't want to adhere to clear scripture. Just because evil people take advantage of the submission of faithful Christians, doesn't mean submission isn't what God called us to do.

I agree with Tom and I am a black woman. The other speaker is all over the place. The scriptures can not be changed. They are what they are. He turned the rules of the Bible into a issue of race. Wow. A mess

And the word of God doesn't change according to times...

Numbers 27:16 Let the LORD, the God of the spirits of all flesh, set a man over the congregation, 27:17 Which may go out before them, and which may go in before them, and which may lead them out, and which may bring them in; that the congregation of the LORD be not as sheep which have no shepherd.

D M said this is the only time we build a doctrine on one verse. How many times does God have to say something to make it true?

As much as I don't want this to be the case, there seems to be a sweeping Romans 1 issue in the modern Church setting. People are intentionally suppressing the Truth in unrighteousness. Elevating Creation (in this case women) over Gods clear instruction.

Thank you Tom Ascol!

Let me preface by saying that I am a staunch conservative Christian, raising my children in The Faith under my God fearing husband. With that said, I am very disappointed as I read these comments. How do you reconcile the women leading the Iranian church today? That’s right. We know because of relief teams there that the Lord is rapidly moving through the Iranian underground church which is predominantly women. Have any of you considered the fact that God uses available and willing vessels? Those who worship me must do so in spirit and truth. What I mean by that is that these women have experienced Christ’s love and are sharing it at the expense of their lives and freedoms. Where are the men? Why is this? Who exactly can God use to preach when the men won’t answer? Why is it that there are little to no men? Only two possible reasons. God hasn’t called many men OR the men are not ANSWERING. God uses faithful and willing vessels. See, this is just one inconvenient truth that must be taken into account. These women are filling a role where there are no males to lead. This isn’t limited to Iran. This is going on worldwide as I follow the Voice of the Martyrs. I want to leave you with this. Of course we know that God’s Word is crystal clear on women Lording over, ruling over, or having authority over men. It is not His perfect order but when there are no men to lead, HE WILL use a willing vessel to accomplish His purposes. Also, I truly believe that a woman must submit to male leadership whenever and wherever possible. This includes her being allowed to preach or teach by her male authority. No woman should Pastor or council a man. I think it’s quite a luxury to even be able to pontificate on this topic. What a privilege we have here in the USA! We have an abundance of male leadership. No one is saying women should take over as head of church. Women are absolutely “qualified” to teach and preach under the authority of a male. Dr. McKissic prevailed here. Hands down. Blessings to all!

"Let [your] women be silent in the assemblies, for it is not permitted to them to speak; but to be in subjection, as the law also says." "I do not suffer a woman to teach nor to exercise authority over man, but to be in quietness...". What is debatable?

I'm watching this in October 2021. If Dr. M is missing it on race in the Kingdom, I must conclude he's missing it on women preachers. We need more biblical truths and zero cultural and emotional driven conclusions. I have questions about tithing and Hell. For now, I must go with the biblical interpretations of the Reformist preachers until I learn better.

No women apostles,no women priests in the old testaments. That should settle debate.

Sometimes the problem with us is we try to interpret God’s Word based on our feeling and thinking. If part of the word doesn’t make sense to us then it can’t be what it says. If we don’t feel right about the Word, then it isn’t what it says. These are the similar arguments used to say how can a loving God send people to hell? If there’s God and He is good how come He allows evil? How can God hate? We can’t decide which scripture to obey and which to disobey based on our senses. Dependence on senses was why Isaac was deceived by Jacob. We must obey the Word regardless of how we feel about it.

I like this video a lot!

I so appreciated the Christian friendship that was apparent even though you both have very different views on the subject. Tom Ascol was especially level and kind.

God is so good that he actually made the scripture very simple & clear..Therefore it should be easy to detect who's misinterpreting the text; the bigger the lie the bigger the explanation

This was great.

Which day is the Lord's day/Sabbath day from the bible?

He lost the debate when he played the race/slavery card.

Dr. Mckissic got me confused. Wish he would had expounded on the Scriptures rather than relying so much on scholars and experience. It is hard to debate Mckissic. I wouldn't have wasted my time debating Mckissic especially since he made a near race issue.

We are dealing with Biblical outlines, not what we think or want. I do not find anything in the Bible that says anything about a woman preaching or teaching. In Corinthians Paul admonishes the women to be silent. It most likely had something to do with the church in Corinth more than women in general although in Judaism, women were not even allowed to participate in the service with the men, nor were they acceptable witnesses. But the real question is whether women can or should be pastors. That is a far greater role than teacher or preacher. I guess I am oldfashioned. Teach and preach, but do not pastor.

The issue is bassed on a misunderstanding. Carefuly study the word preach ( euangelidzo, keyruso) in its context an discover that it is not a ministry for the church rather for lost people. The passage in first tim. 2. That forbids women to preach is not the greak word for preaching rather (didascos) this shows that the ministry of making disciples is an intimate relationship with authority witch would not be appropriate for a woman to have over a man for. obvious reasons. The traditional paradigm makes the entire subject confusing. Take off your traditional sun glasses and put yourself in the context of the primitive church and the confusion goes away.

Thank you Mr. Tom Ascol

I agree with Tom.. period!!!

Thank you Tom.

I don't even know what this really was, all I know is both was very kind and everyone involved was extremely patient.

Mckissic is sadly inconsistent and arbitrary in his approach.

1:35:48 This sums up the debate: "Exegetically, I'm not there." Then he refers to emotions.

in our lord,s day worship?? what does that mean ??

Great debate on this very sensitive issue in the Churches with women accepted and needed in ministry . I learnt from this sensitive debate on Pastoring Preaching and ministering that God has a creative Order as the scriptures were quoted to support spiritual matters in respect to Egalitarianism and Complimentalism in our changing culture of secular humanism invading the churches. Great debate very Educational as Gods word on this issue takes preeminence.

I recently have been considering leaving my church for reasons applying to this. We have 30 women’s groups and. Zero men’s groups outside of a one hr once a month bible study! Pastor tiptoes around this topic obviously not to offend the feminists and the lesbian spirit that has run rampant in our culture lately! This is unacceptable to me for reasons being clearly stated in scripture that the man is the head... how can our church teach men to be the head and to express biblical, natural leadership in our households if they only teach women and don’t even offer anything to teach biblical manhood and biblical directions to being the head Of household and main leader and disciple of our own families! This is a HUGE problem in our modern day churches and mine is losing a contributing and dedicated member bcuz of the adaptation to the spirit of the age which is evil, and satanic and against the word of God in sooo many ways

Have you ever noticed that a person who is wrong can never answer a simple question . They always have to go off topic. Do not be deceived the truth can be answered directly.....always be ready to give account for what you believe. The Bible doesn't give permission for woman to be pastors or to teach the Bible from the pulpit to mixed congregations.....stick with the word.

OK wait a minute. I thought Pastor McKissic was onboard with women pastoring and/or preaching in the church and later in the video he’s saying he has no women preachers on his staff, so now he’s not? Did I miss something???

Thanks help so much

The question to be asked is, 'Did 1st-century church services even have sermons as we do now?'

The black pastor is not going on scripture he’s going in his feelings. Although I can appreciate his wanting equality in the pulpit, the Bible speaks plainly as to the role of women in the church. At the end of the day we have to adhere to what scripture says. We can not pick and choose which parts of the doctrine we should obey. Yes the times have changed but the Bible in its context has not.

Two men discussing the roles of women, no women’s voices allowed! How original!!!

This was beautiful

Thought that was td jakes at first

Clarification: scripture is very clear with role and function distinctions

What does God say in the beginning? The man rules over the woman or household. That is one criteria of being a bishop or pastor in 1 Timothy 3:2-4. (Genesis 3:16) "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and HE shall rule over thee (i.e. the woman Eve). (1 Timothy 3:2-4) "A bishop then must be blameless... {4} one that ruleth HIS own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;"

Who has God appointed as head of the family? What is your church?

Direct answer is she should not preach or be a pastor but she can testify .

Hallelujah! Thank you GOD provide me with Your WORDS That Are Written in the Bible. The Goals of the Bible is to let me understand GOD better. By using GOD’s WORDS in the Bible, over Time I Myself will be able to Communicate to Holy Spirit. Over time, I Myself will be able to communicate with Lord Jesus. Over time, I Myself will be able to meet My GOD in Lord Jesus Name. I Myself will not worship YOUR WORDS in the Bible Above The LORD, My GOD. I Myself will not dare to “Put the Lord, My GOD to the Test”. FOR YOU “The LORD, MY GOD not only The Lord of those Valleys and Hills, BUT ALL.” FOR YOU “The LORD, My GOD. GOD ALMIGHTY.” Hallelujah.

With respect, I have a question. Was Dr, Mckissic advocating for abortion? If I heard that wrong I apologize. Did anybody hear that?

God was the same then ,now and forever is understood by some but not by all Pastors , and some Christians. It is very important to teach God’s Word correctly. His Word is easy to understand. Women need to be obedient unto God.

The Devil is having a field Day, this is exactly what he does best to cause Confusion in the Church. Have a Debate about What God said, to create Devision, and Confusion. When at any time have you seen a Debate bring people together, and allow us to be in One Accord? Never;. The Character of God is what we should striving to be, that will bring us Together and in One Accord. Why Do we have Question everything God Said. And Where are the Scriptures to back up the Arguments? In the Book of Timothy, Its is Written That a Bishop should have ONE WIFE. and Rule his House. That is Refering to a Man. Jedus has Twelve Desciples, they were all Men. Follow Jesus's Example.

A biblical debate is supposed to only involve biblical evidence. Let the scripture speak for it's self. If you have to go outside of the scripture to try and convince people it's the truth. Then it means you are hiding what you believe behind lies... The scripture is plain. It says exactly what it was meant to say.

It is said that we should not look at experiences, but isn’t the Old Testament compiled of history and experiences that are advised by scriptures in the New Testament to be used for our examples ?

The fact is Paul was addressing a problem the church,about silent ( making noise) and teaching men ( their husbands) in the sense of disrespecting men ,who are supposed to be head of the house ,it wasn't about teaching .if the church is the bride ( female) of Jesus and he gave the gospel, gifts to his bride for the edification of the his body ,how can one say , women can't , shouldn't teach ,then the church the bride (woman in a marriage) can't or shouldn't teach the gospel ?

Women are not to teach, preach, or usurp authority over a man period. It matters not what program or place they're in! Prophesying is totally different than teaching and preaching. So many claim that Jesus had women teachers, and all but they're taking the Word of God out of context and will have to pay for the misleading of people and perversion of His Word.

Given the turbulent times in which we find ourselves globally Christian Bible believers and non. I am trying to process why debates like these need to take place. Surely there are more hard pressing issues that need to be addressed relating to the human condition. If ever the world needs to hear the story of the good news it's now. Whether through the mouths of male or female. Let's return to our first love, get the job done and when Jesus returns all academic arguments and denominational differences will be brought to naught. It's no wonder non believers are confused. As Christians we come across as divided holding differing opinions perspectives on eschatology calvinism relativism existentialism let's get back to basics. Jesus Christ only begotten son of God born of a virgin was crucified for the redemption of humankind so that we might be reconciled to God, spend our lives in Him working out our salvation with gratitude and deeply appreciative for this gift bestowed upon humankind by God.

My father never believed a woman should preach. When he died my brother's shocked me by having a woman perform his funeral. Male ministers were available too.

If Paul is addressing a centralized situation concerning the church at Ephesus in 1 Timothy.....than who was He addressing in 2 Corinthians 14 when He says "as in ALL of the churches of the saints"? Pastor Dwight Critical theory,much?

But Paul did not say anything about Artemis or culture in that verses. nothing to do with cultural issues of that time..he referred to the order of creation, right??

It's painful watching this. I was rooting for Pastor MCKISIC. He just kept on interrupting and giving baseless argument. Disappointing 😞

It is written in the New Testament that women are cited to not have the right to become PASTORS or PRIESTS. One of these is found in 1 TIMOTHY 2:12...Also noted in 1 CORINTHIANS 11:3-12; 14:34,35:1 TIMOTHY 2:11-15 and TITUS1,2. These passages are for the foundation for the conclusion that WOMEN CANNOT BE LEAD PASTORS IN CHURCHES 😇🙏🙏🙏

God's Words Never Outdates. It's Eternal. Amen

This was a great debate. I 've watched it several times and it seems that brother McKissic contradicted his standards of Biblical interpretation several times.

When all else fails, “racism”.

Tom Aschol is very well-spoken in this debate. I agree with him..as I think he brings Biblical clarity to the subject. We recently left a church where women just treated the church service like a free for all. The piano player would speak out of her own accord whenever she felt like it...alot of gibberish. Male leadership should not compromise in this.

What is the office of a bishop? What does the Bible say office of a bishop?

at the end ..THANK YOU DO TOM ASCOL.

Pastor Mckissic gave a good, albeit not biblically founded, lecture for his position. His skills as an orator were incredibly impressive. But in his closing statement when he equated not allowing women to preach from the pulpit on the Lord's Day with racism ("When we allow it overseas...but don't allow it here, practically what we are saying is it's alright for a woman to preach to people of color all over the world they just can't preach to white men over here.") he lost all credibility he had earned in the debate. I was hoping that Pastor Ascol would not let that one slip by but it went without recognition. Overall, good debate but it in no way benefited Pastor Mckissic's position.

I enjoyed watching this debate but I was disappointed with Pastor McKissick’s emotional stance on the issue.It was clear that once Pastor Ascol refuted the notion that Phoebe was to be received as someone giving the word authoritatively and that the gift of prophecy and prophecy is defined by God in scripture so that the office of pastor and the gift of prophecy are different,Mckissick still clung to the notion out of emotion,taking a stance of personal experiences,and pride in himself and those who don’t adhere to 1 Tim 2:12 and verses like these. As someone who has been so heavily influenced by women,growing up in a house with all sisters,and matriarchy within my particular home(not entire family) men like this have the tendency to have emotional demeanors when confronted with contradictions and sin,more so than men raised or influenced by men of God who truly believe in inerrancy of scripture. I submit this verse to you all, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.” ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Ascol’s questions regarding why Mckissick thinks the way he does was meant to be,and I believe stated, that his defense of women in the church was based in personal experience and not the Word of God.Friends that is a slippery slope into hellfire for many souls. Whenever we hold our personal experiences over the Word of God,we say to God “you were wrong.” This does not keep us penitent and is rooted in pride. This debate,in my estimation,to Mckissick,was to show the SBC that they need to repent,and at this point may have been true,but that wasn’t the point of this debate;he came with an ulterior motive to,in my words “show the oppressed that we can rise up and battle this oppressive hegemony and make sense like they do.” But that’s the thing,at a few different points he didn’t make sense and “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:33‬ KJV He says on one hand,”SBC has been wrong before and they’re probably wrong now.” And on the other he quotes different members of the SBC...so they’re only right when he quotes them? So if the SBC can’t be trusted all the time,who should you trust all the time?The Lord Himself. “but we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead:” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭1:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬ It makes total sense that Paul appeals to creation itself in the function of men and women in the church and his indication that the fall itself tells you that women are not equipped the same way men are to resist temptation reconciling certain matters of emotion and logic,thus The Holy Spirit indicating through Paul that women are not to teach,have authority over a man,and are to keep silent in places of worship,in order to preserve the sanctity of the Body of Christ,and not give foothold to the enemy to cause the church to stumble! Pastor Ascol was right,anyone in true alignment and acceptance of God’s order and sovereignty,won’t feel oppressed by His laws:it’s those who seek their own will that rebel in whatever fashion. I believe the SBC has historically,and currently had major problems but to quote different members to preserve your own argument(indeed it is not the Lord’s) dismiss Ascol for quoting the same and say “they’ve been wrong before.” Is disingenuous and heavily implies that his discernment is superior and it’s clearly not! We are to use the Bible to interpret the world and our experiences,not in reverse. Pastor Mckissick may have repented by now but this line of thinking is ubiquitous in Christendom and needs to be exposed.

Controversy??God is not the author of confusion you can’t change what is already written Lord help him😇

Perfect example of “ reading into a scripture regarding Phoebe. He assumes / reads into the text that she was there to teach or perform as a pastor. Text does not say that.

We have a speaking serpent in the Bible, a talking donkey in the Holy Scriptures, a virgin that conceived in the Word of God, and two men ( Enoch and Elijah) who did not see physical death in the "canon". All of these events happen only once! Hermeneutically, these are all "Exceptions" in the Holy Scriptures, not the "rule". Now suggesting such when approaching the remainder of the Holy Scriptures corrupts the revelation of God. Deborah who was a prophetess and judge cannot be used as precedent for future ministry in the Old Testament temple service or synagogue gatherings and certainly not the Church of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul did not go back to "before the fall", he went back to "after the fall" so Pastor Mckissic is in error with his statement that going back to Genesis 3 puts women back into bondage. Are men still commanded to work by the sweat of his brow? Even post flood men have historically had to work from the sweat of his brow. Do thorns and thistles still exist?

Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Sound is very low