I absolutely agree with everything you said. As a combat vet I would say that anything you can do to de escalate a situation without taking a life is not only good for you legally but just good all around.
Just took a kinetic from a SD at 30feet. Any closer and it would have been bad. Folks have to remember that they are meant to inflict pain to force compliance or deter, not kill
I took one to the side of the ribs at 10-12 feet when I walked between the trap target in the garage and my son shooting from around the corner. My fault completely as he had ear protection on and I had headphones on. It hurt like hell and completely took the air out of my lungs. We laugh about it now, but at the time I was really hurting. It took four days for the swelling to go down and two weeks for the bruising to subside.
@stevenmeansphotography3861 It isn't as loud as a real gun but it does make a bang. If you fired this in a hotel room, the police would come. Ask me how I know? 😂
There's a young woman that I work with getting harassed by an ex-bf who is a bit psychotic, so I advised her to look into Byrna as an alternative to a firearm.
I live in California, and we cannot carry a firearm without a permit. And getting one is almost impossible. This is a great alternative to carry in my car or a large event just in case. Like he said, if you use a firearm on someone get ready for lawsuits. I know a few people that shot at intruders and they ended up paying a lot of money to the victims. It's ridiculous, but that is how things are now. I'd rather subdue the person so I can get away.
Because it’s non-lethal, it’s mostly meant to buy you time, by either deterring threats, or allowing you time to retreat. It’s not meant to end the threat.
Know your rights criminals don't care about strict gun laws, they ain't shooting back paint balls buds that's why they tell people don't pull out a fake gun you won't win
That describes me to a T. My husband and I are taking the gun safety course very soon, I do want to learn how to shoot a gun but I don’t think I’d feel comfortable using a lethal weapon. I looked into less lethal guns and these seem perfect for me. For reference I’m a 58 year old grandma…😊👍🏻
I am a CCW permit holder but would like the option of non-lethal force against an unarmed attacker. I am 67 and can't fight a younger stronger assailant but wouldn't want to go thru the legal system if I used a firearm. I will put this on my Christmas list.
Byrna LE saved the dog and I during our walk when we were attacked by 3 medium sized dogs off their leash. I used the MAX OC/CS balls, took effect in 2 seconds and they hauled butt. I use the recommended load, one solid kinetic round on top, then OC/CS balls, in the newer 7 ball magazine.
Great video brother. I live in northern California. It is really difficult to purchase a firearm for home defense. Its even more difficult to obtain a ccw permit. I bought two byrna sd's. One for me, & one for my wife. We are both very pleased with them. I'm looking in to getting some of byrna's bag guy repellent. I hear it works really well.
I agree with your video but I do want to expand on the fact that there are use cases where it's very useful to have non-lethal options around. In most states, it is illegal to store a firearm without locking it up in a gun safe with the magazine outside of the gun. If someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night, you're trying to wake up, all the while going to your gun safe, unlock it, load the magazine and then go. This doesn't take that much time but every second counts. With a non-lethal guns, you can have it loaded and on your nightstand no problem. With the Byrna specifically, the CO2 won't be punctured until you need it, so you know you'll have fresh CO2. The other point is that ammunition for non-lethal can be a bit more creative. Loading the magazine up with alternating pepper balls, riot rounds, or kinetic rounds mean that you can fill up an area with pepper powder and being able to inflict some damage to someone. This is super useful and will deter the usual robbers. Of course, if someone is targeting you specifically with a gun, there's not much you can do even if you own a real gun anyhow.
I took down a guy with a real gun with my bryna he could not open his eyes for 45 minutes it actually looks real I carry mine everyday including into Walmart
I own a 9mm pistol, but I never carry it, even though I live in New Hampshire and can legally open or concealed carry. The thought of dealing with the aftermath of a self defense shooting, chills me more than the concern I have for my personal safety. Enter Byrna. Problem solved.
I bought my LE about 3 weeks ago and love it’s ability to get me out of harms way… Your video is to the point and covers all of the concerns that I had before making my purchase. I wish I’d seen your video first. Thanks for the great video covering the facts and variables… I’m now a new subscriber to your channel. Also no need to let your wife shot you unless you simply want to experience the pain. 😮
Good points on why you should own. I believe everyone should be able to protect themselves from a threat and not be so dependent on law enforcement. I highly recommend that ladies consider this as an option for self-defense. It levels the threat when you are out numbered or overpowered without the guilt of taking someone's life!
Well done & well said/covered. Like you mentioned, there are always going to be pros & cons. Always going to be people who speak well of this or who don't speak highly about it. The key, word(s), is OPTIONS. Most who buy this will not be trained Law Enforcement Officers or trained. That's okay! The goal? Not having to use deadly force or an actual firearm that shoots actual live rounds or bullets that KILL. For what it's worth, I believe there is a reason most police carry BOTH their service weapon AND a taser. It is nice to have at least something (especially for home or personal defence) versus nothing. 🙏🏻🙌🏻 Thanks everyone here for all your comments! Either supporting something like this or suggesting against it. It's GREAT to have input!!
that is the whole reason why i got a byrna to avoid legal issues, just having it with a red dot maybe enough, and the first two shots from the LE are loud and will ring your ear. i wish there was a mod to make it louder. I think there is alot of room for different projectiles, maybe some chemical fire rounds that ignite on impact, flash bang rounds alot could be done with some R&D.
You don't just pull this out for giggles. If you pull it, your intentions had better be to use it. This allows you to prevent a threat from upping the ante' giving you time to exit a situation .
The strongest value the Byrna has is for conceal carry. There are more powerful launchers (off the shelf), and inexpensive models that can be easily modified for much greater power, BUT, they are more bulky. The one exception is the Umarex HDP50, but it is limited to certain amo due to feeding problems. The two Byrna weak points are its under powered for kinetic rounds and they are expensive for what you get.
No, but that's the problem with people evaluating these devices. You think in terms of what you would want to be shot by. Better way to evaluate them would be what would stop you if a assailant invaded your home with a Byrna and all you had was a golf club, baseball bat, knife, etc. Would he get your family????@@vintagetrk
@@LessLethalOptions-82323 I’m a combat vet I dig the Byrne I think it’s a very valuable tool in today’s society. If I’m out on the town in my local Walmart and some ass clown comes in shooting This weapon can be deployed and I avoid a manslaughter charge. On the home invasion front all I’ll ever need is a 12 gauge pump loade with 00 buck. Here in Az if you got a stranger dead in your house no worries 😁
I agree with the shotgun choice for home defense, but not with the Byrna. A modified Umarex HDP, a Grimburg Gavle, to name a couple, offer more power for the same (Gavle) or less money (HDP). @@vintagetrk
I built a high pressure, hand held cannon identical to the weapon used in no country for old men. It makes anything I put in it perfectly lethal. No registration necessary. Same with my slam fire 12 gauges. They can come take my firearms but I'll still be defending my home, neighbors, and country. God bless
It's one thing having and using an actual firearm on your own property, but if you are out in public or on someone else's land and get into a tussle where you discharge a firearm, you could be in a world of legal issues. This Byrna launcher is a safer choice in that it's non lethal so it slows someone down giving you time to get away, and no legal ramifications!
Agreed 100%. Very nice video. My only gripe is I feel the LE is over priced. I’ve had 2 Byrna SD and HD. They did both break. I hope their quality improves. Because I do like them. I’d probably just go with the cheapest EP and use chemical rounds. I do like my Umarex line up better. I agree with your logic on using a real firearm. Its only the beginning of a headache 😊
@@habanerosselfdefenseanddec1446 I’ve had two Byrna launchers and about a dozen Umarex. The Byrna for one is very over priced My two Byrnas broke under normal conditions. The issue is they are almost impossible for the average person to fix For the high end price. They should not break that easily. There are many other reasons I would choose Umerex. So I don’t want to bash Byrna. I’ll stick to reasons I’d choose Umarex All Umarex launchers are very affordable ~$80- $250 depending on model Umarex launchers quality is outstanding compared to Byrna. And very easy to fix at your kitchen table. There’s also a great community of guys who work on them to help you out Umarex launchers are highly modifiable and if one chooses to have something with much greater power capability (meaning a lot more Joules) Umarex is the way to go Even with high Joules, the way Umarex fires projectiles, one can still shoot pepperballs without them breaking. Many Umarex models have the option to shoot many different types of projectiles. Not just round balls or pepperballs. There are literally dozens of different options and more coming out each week. Umarex are meant to be shot so one can get a lot of training in as well
@@megamorph77 the metal parts are MIM.(metal inject molded) and I pulled the trigger with normal force to puncture the Co2. And it just sapped in half. I could not believe it. It got me to thinking if I needed it in a real self defense situation I’d be in big trouble. I do like the concept. But I feel the quality needs to improve. Especially for the price. I know people want the power of the LE. But Even the LE is not as powerful as my modified Umarex markers. I think though with the right Chemical rounds it could be great. If I were to purchase another one. I’d probably just get the least expensive EP and use it for chemical rounds. But after modifying TCP’s, HDR’s and HDP’s. There’s no comparison when it comes to power. My other Byrna kept dropping the round that was supposed to be held in the chamber
Yes, you are correct, using lethal force MAY get you into legal trouble in states like NJ and NY. I'm 71 years old, so I didn't want anything to do with having a full carry permit. I do have a licensed gun strictly to go the range and for home protection. Due to the Castle Doctrine, you have a FAR BETTER chance of NOT getting into trouble. But I still need to make sure I ABSOLUTLY had to use lethal force to save my life. It not yes, I can have a problem. Outside, so many things can happen to cause you to use unlawful lethal force. One thing I will say, if you use lethal force outside of your home, you better make absolutely sure the "bad guy" left you absolutely no choice.
NEVER LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT . . . only comments are 1. it's carrying a .45 1911, is big and bulky 2. have to search for and test numerous holsters for C.C. 3. it's a "ROLL OF THE DICE" to travel with. Have to check a bag (with your Byrna) and hope TSA does not get into it . . other than that, ONE OF THE BEST ALTERNATIVE TO CARRYING A LOADED FIREARM
I’m a military vet and wanted to buy a Byrna to keep on my boat when traveling. My Byrna has leaked air since I bought it. No matter what C02 brand I buy it leaks. I’ve researched the issue and have tried everything. I don’t care what the tool is, if it’s unreliable when needed, it’s not worth it. The worst part is that there’s no way to know until you shoot it or it fails
Would you recommend the LE or is it more about the chemicals? LE is +$100. Remember that if they take it from you, they can use it on you. A gang for example.
I was going to buy one. So I watched some videos. The first 10 minutes of the first video was balls breaking in the gun. I can't have that happening when I need it.
What are your thoughts on kinetic rounds v pepper spray? I would assume pepper spray rounds would offer more stopping power, but my worry would be that in a close-quarter scenario (road-rage for example) the pepper spray rounds could lead to cross contamination.
I live in the Police State of New Jersey. I have a permit for guns in my home, so I got that covered. Cant get a CCW in N.J unless you have connections, are a cop, or Judge. So I carry my BYRNA LE with 2 mags....loaded like the gentlemen did in this video....pepper, max tear gas/pepper, and kinetc rounds. I also carry a blade as a backup and last resort. All I need is enough time to get to safety in the event of an attack. Funny thing is, I couldn't even get mine shipped to N.J and ended up picking one up in tbe beautiful state of Ohio while out there on business! 😂
I wonder the most about this NL is why not just carry an OC spray over this? Some OC spray has a very long range of fire and is proven to work very well against attackers.
I would think the tear gas round first because they’d be at a further distance then 2 kenetic and the rest pepper balls. That’s just my opinion though. 🤷♂ what do you think the best mag set up would be?
My mag starts with SALT-brand pepper/OC projectile then Byrna kinetic, and continues to alternate between pepper and kinetic. Videos of the SALT powder just made me think it's more effective than Byrna pepper or max rounds. But I also have Byrna max projectile in the chain.
personally how i run my byrna mags are 3 kinetic and 4 max, just because realistically someone is gonna start a problem with you face to face and not 10 feet away, so if i shot a chemical first we would both be affected if anything i could always just fire those kinetics off also
The SALT projectile busted in the Byrna magazine! Happened simply while being in the magazine and not necessarily in the launcher. I sometimes carry Byrna in messenger bag and extra mag in a pocket of the bag. That pocket now contaminated!
Never seen a Byrna pepper round discharge it's gas on a person. They always bounce off. So really it's all about the kinetic energy, and don't bother with the more expensive pepper rounds.
It is not leagal to Cary or own if you have a felony in the state of Nebraska. statue 28-1201 Definition Firearm means any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or frame or receiver of any such weapon: Frame means barrel. Receiver, I think, means the clip or maybe trigger, that I'm not sure.
im a gun guy and i own a byrna, wanted to clear up some things in your comment, its not classified as a firearm because quote "to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive" its powered by co2 its not an explosive, a frame is the lower part of the gun the grip and everything associated with the lower parts of the gun and a receiver is the top half of the gun which houses a bullet and has the action to fire the round, byrna is not explosive powered to propel a projectile it doesnt have a frame or a receiver because it cannot be easily taken apart, it dose not have the same functions as a firearm
@Filo_Tactics I am just putting out there what the state patrol captain at Nprth Platte nebraska told me. I would love for it to be ok. As a woman who travels the interstate to see my grad children play sports, who is married to a felon. I want one. But I can't put my husband in that situation. I know nothing about firearms, so I'm trusting the guy who can potentially arrest him.
I’m new to all of this. Looking into purchasing. Can one modify it to put a laser scope on for better accuracy? My eyes are terrible and I’d shoot right past a perp.
If you use the byrna max oc pepper rounds they will be 100per cent effective and if you never experienced Ossie in the eyes and face directly you have no idea
Unfortunately they are not legal in the 5 Boros of NYC. Bronx Brooklyn Queens Manhattan and Staten Island. Which is ridiculous. New York is a whole new kind of stupid. But they are legal in other parts of the state of New York. I had to go Pennsylvania to get one. Just to keep in my home
You absolutely could get killed with one of these if you're holding one when the police bust into your house, or if you have one in your car when they pull you over. If they don't know of you having a weapon they will be incredibly patient and deferential when they come in, but if they think you've got a gun you have to be incredibly careful. From the moment a cop yells "gun", there's about an 80% chance that you will be dead within a minute.
With all the airgun mods there are,can the power be increased any .. could this be modified to run hpa or nitrogen.. Co2 really sucks if I need it at 20°
I just bought the SD. I loaded the mag and have it in the launcher. How do I know the initial ball is in the breech. Or how do I get the indicator up that shows there’s one in the breech?
You'd look better without the beard. I have a Byrna. I think it's a great alternative, but good luck getting the tear gas and pepper spray rounds in California. So why didn't you test fire and demonstrate it here? All we have is your word for it... an opinion.
