Should You Buy an AMD 7800X3D or Intel 14700K?

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The AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D is widely renowned as the current king of gaming CPU’s, but is it really that much better than an Intel Core i7-14700K? In this video, the next in our "Ultimate PC Component Fighting Championship" battle series, we are going to find out. In the UpcFC series we’ve been helping you make the right choice by pitting two components against each other in the PC octagon to see who wins.
In this video our focus will be on two top gaming CPU’s, with the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D in the red corner taking on the Intel Core i7-14700k in the blue corner. In addition to showing you benchmarks across 16 games at 3 different resolutions, I am also going to show you how to overclock your CPU in Windows. And if you stay to the end, I will share with you some bonus “expert” tips on how to keep your Windows install fresh, a must do for every PC gamer and enthusiast.
Remember, it's not rocket science, it's Lego … my goal is to help you make the right component choices and put them together the right way, every time.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:26 Video Focus & Bonus Elements
01:01 How To "Auto" Overclock Your CPU
01:30 AMD CPU OC Process with AMD Ryzen Master
03:34 Intel CPU OC Process with Intel Extreme Tuning Utility
05:45 Test Setup & Methodology
09:03 Benchmarks featuring Bruce Buffer
11:56 Expert Tips To Keep Windows Running Efficiently
13:24 Who Is The Winner & Why?
15:22 Wrap-Up
Thank you for watching the "Should You Buy an AMD 7800X3D or Intel 14700K?" video in the UpcFC battle series. If you enjoyed today's video please hit that like button and subscribe so that you don't miss out on future episodes as other components battle it out in the PC octagon. Please also comment and offer suggestions on any future components that you would like to see go head-to-head.
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PSU: Gigabyte GP-AP1200PM 1200W Platinum - amzn.to/3S7XcCq
Intel Test Platform Affiliate Links:
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@AvroBellow 2 месяца назад

This video is extremely well-done with so many aspects covered so you have a new sub in me. I just thought that I'dd add another giagntic advantage to the R7-7800X3D... The fact that it is a first-gen AM5 part. If the longevity of AM4 is any indicator, the AM5 platform will still be relevant in 2030 with several drop-in CPU upgrades available. Meanwhile, the Intel LGA1700 platform is on its last legs. This means that any upgrade from the i7-14700K will require a new motherboard no matter which direction you go (unless you get something like an i9-14900K I suppose). Even if you already have an LGA1700 motherboard, the i7-14700K makes little to no sense because its performance advantage over even an i7-12700K is negligible and isn't worth the asking price. Having said that, if you have an i7-12700K, you're still more than fine for gaming anyway. This makes the i7-14700K a completely useless product as people building a new PC or performing a platform upgrade should only be looking at AM5 while people already on LGA1700 have no need for a "14th-gen" CPU upgrade as the upgrade won't make any significant difference.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Great point that I should have mentioned in my video … longevity is a big advantage for AM5. Will pin your comment since I didn’t mention it. Thanks!

@deheimer Месяц назад

Wouldn't go that far buddy. There are plenty of people who upgrade well after 3-4 years of usage, in that case, really doesn't make a difference between a 14700k or a 7800x3d. One thing I know for sure is how inferior 7800x3d is at productivity tasks compared to the 14700k . As far as gaming, 7800x3d is the winner but, at a resolution like 4k, it's not gonna make a difference at all. So you can't say going for 14700k is useless haha. Highly depends on the use case and planning of each individual.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

@@deheimer I don't recall saying in the video or comments that the 14700k is useless, I did however state that I think it's over priced relative to the competition. I disagree that longevity doesn't make a difference ... even if someone decides to upgrade after 4 years, if they choose AM5 as their platform they will have multiple CPU upgrade paths without having to upgrade their entire system whereas if you are on LGA1700 you won't. I agree on the performance differences at 4K and benefits for productivity tasks ... I showed this with actual data in the video.

@AvroBellow 28 дней назад

@@blackbirdpctech I'm honoured, thank you very much!

@AvroBellow 28 дней назад

@@deheimer For the relatively tiny number of people who do productivity workloads (compared to the legions of gamers), the 14700K isn't a good choice either. If you're using a part to make money with productivity, the cost no longer matters because performance = profit. In that case, you're looking at something like an R9-7950X or Threadripper, not an i7, buddy.

@jggg31 2 месяца назад

Loved this! Maybe 7800X3D vs 7900X3D vs 7950X3D? And of course, the 4090 vs 7900XTX! Thank you for your hard work!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

The 4090 vs 7900 xtx is coming next week … was a great suggestion you made … results are actually surprising. Hardware unboxed just did the X3D comparison, so they beat me to it, but I’m working on a memory related video that should be interesting. Thanks for watching!

@TheBoltcranck 2 месяца назад

nice follow up from last video, and a guide for AM5 3D Vcache with Project Hydra sounds awesome.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Thanks ... I've been wanting to do that for a while, so I will put it together ... will run it on AM4 (5800X3D) and AM5 (7800X3D) systems and walk through how to optimize.

@raptor6600gt 2 месяца назад

Excellent methodology and reasoning for it. Keep up the great work on the channel!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Thank you!

@CourageOO7 2 месяца назад

Hey Matt, I have a question. Have you used modern AMD and Intel CPU's extensively over a long period of time? Not just benchmarking. As you know I game, but I also do video editing and various productivity activities for work/hobbies. I chose to go with a xx700 series Intel CPU, because I thought it might be a better all-around CPU. But, now I'm thinking I may have made a mistake (and I'm running 64GB of awesome RAM, so I won't be switching, I don't think). Question; have you noticed any significant differences between the 2 platforms in terms of stability? Have you found them to be equally stable or do you have a preference when using your computer for various activities? Thanks!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

That is a great question but damn it’s loaded. I’ve used both chips extensively for gaming and work. The advantage for stability used to be with Intel but now my work stations are 7950X’s … AMD has really come a long way. For gaming the 7800X3D is an obvious choice and I’ve never had any stability issues with it. I had some issues with my 5900x and 5950x systems from prior gen, but nothing crazy. The 14900k is a killer gaming chip but it’s super inefficient … unless you enforce all Intel limits in bios. I don’t think you made a mistake because early in the 7000 series release AM5 had some teething problems, especially with memory, but that appears to have been resolved. The reality is both chips are great but I would definitely give AMD the edge at the moment.

@CourageOO7 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech Roger that. Food for thought for the future, I suppose. I have to say, the XTX with lots of RAM and 12700 makes for a solid video editing combo. With the XTX upgrade, my encoding times probably decreased by 50%. It was a pretty awesome upgrade. I think the 24GB of video memory is a big factor. Hope you're doing well! I've been meaning to reach out, but work has been pretty slamming.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Awesome and the AV1 encoding helps too. Sounds good, hope you are doing well!

@CourageOO7 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech Oh I forgot about hardware encoder. Duh. Good point.

@BruceUZULUL 2 месяца назад

Another great video! Keep it up!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Thank you!

@animecoaldragon565 20 дней назад

I will be building a PC when I get the and I am stuck between an AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d and an Intel i7 14700k. I will be doing gaming while using Discord as an application to communicate with players and maybe using browsing to look up information. I may also stream Twitch or RU-vid on top of that too. Which CPU should I choose for that?

@blackbirdpctech 20 дней назад

Great question, I need to figure out how to incorporate a use case like this into my benchmark suite. I think for this use case the 14700K would be the right answer based on some examples I've seen online ... the additional cores can help mitigate the drop in FPS that will happen when running multiple applications. You could also consider a 7950X3D as well if you really want to stick with AMD. Hope that helps.

@jackr.749 2 месяца назад

Just bought a 7800X3D a couple weeks ago, paired it with a Aorus X670 Elite AX and G.Skill 6000 at cl30 ram. This replaced my 5900x system. On the titles that take advantage of the 3D cache, the difference is incredible, on titles that do not use the 3D cache, it's still a little better, smoother gaming maybe than the 5900x but not much difference. Of course, the 5900x will blow the 7800X3D in multi core CPU intensive workloads due to it's 4 extra cores. But for gaming the 7800X3D is pretty impressive. I could not believe how much better MSFS-2020 is on the 7800X3D and this is in VR using a Reverb G2 at high resolutions, even a Quest-3 via link cable with some tweaks can be simply gorgeous and perform way better than I thought possible (oh yeah, GPU is a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC). I love this system and man oh man, if you have game titles that take advantage of the 3D cache, you can expect up to 50% better performance over a 5900x. :)

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Yeah, the X3D chips were made for MS Flight Sim ... the increase in performance in that game is truly incredible. Nice system!

@ahsum28 2 месяца назад

5900x IS BOTTLE NECK OF SYSTEM

@Blackcat70_ 10 дней назад

Your videos are what convinced me to build a full on 7800x3d computer. I see that you are a reply machine, also (which is awesome!). You do great work. Looking forward to your blackwell benchmarks when that becomes available. Im going all out with a 5090, but i'll keep an eye out for your take on that monster when the time comes. Thanks for your content, Sir! S!

@blackbirdpctech 10 дней назад

That’s awesome and welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community! Looking forward to testing the new generation of tech … have some cool new content that I’m working on in the meantime.

@jggg31 2 месяца назад

Quick question regarding Resizable Bar. Please help. I play COD MW3 on Windows 11 with a 10900k OC'd, 4400 cl17 OC'd ram and a 7900XTX OC'd. I play at 1440p low settings both mp and wz. Resizable Bar DISABLED benchmarks CPU: 385fps avg - 256fps 1%lows GPU: 323fps avg - 256fps 1%lows Bottlenecks: CPU 11% and GPU 89% OverAll: 315fps avg - 243fps 1% lows. Resizable Bar ENABLED benchmarks CPU: 335fps avg - 124fps 1%lows GPU: 364fps avg - 249fps 1%lows Bottlenecks: CPU 64% and GPU 36% OverAll: 324fps avg - 124fps 1% lows. So disabling Resizable Bar raises the CPUs 1%lows from 124fps to 256fps but hurts the GPU making it the bottleneck with 89%. For fps games is it not better to be cpu bottlenecked and not GPU bottlenecked so as to eliminate system latency? Or is it more important to play with higher 1% lows? Please reply at your convenience. I found these results to be interesting findings.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

That is super interesting … my initial response would be to keep resizable bar off because you want to load your gpu and the small reduction in average fps is not a big deal, but the game will feel much better with the large increase in 1% lows. That said I am going to dig in to this more … now I am curious to see if I can replicate this result across multiple platforms. Thanks for bringing this to my attention … will have to give you credit if I make a video on it 😉

@jggg31 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech Ran benchmarks again with up to date AMD GPU driver. Also, made it easier to read below. Resizable Bar ENABLED CPU GPU. Global Avg: 332fps. Avg: 372fps. Avg: 326fps 5th: 181fps. 5th: 314fps. 5th: 180fps 1st: 121fps. 1st: 247fps. 1st: 121fps Bottleneck: 75% Bottleneck: 25% Resizable Bar DISABLED CPU GPU. Global Avg: 383fps. Avg: 332fps. Avg: 323fps 5th: 291fps. 5th: 285fps. 5th: 269fps 1st: 248fps. 1st: 263fps. 1st: 242fps Bottleneck: 15% Bottleneck: 85% Again, I'm on Windows 11, HAGS ON, with a 10900k, 7900XTX, 32GB of 4400cl17 Ram, 360mm Arctic Freezer II AIO push/pull config, 1000W PSU, MSI Z590 Gaming Carbon WiFi Mobo, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB SSD, NZXT H9 Flow Case. I have saved screenshots of the results as proof in case you may need them. Cheers.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

That’s helpful and I definitely believe you, I simply want to dig in and try to understand why. Based on this data you definitely want resizable bar off. My question is, is that a platform or game specific issue or does it scale? As I mentioned I am going to explore it a little and see … very interesting indeed.

@No_Entiendo. Месяц назад

Have a i5 13600 kf now. Would it be a noticable upgrade to i714700/13700? Game @1440p with 4070ti super.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

I haven’t tested the 13600k but based on other reviews I don’t think that would be a worthwhile upgrade for gaming.

@CombatInsiders Месяц назад

Thanks for this breakdown , I bought a prebuilt with a 14700f , 4070 and 32gb ddr5 5200, I'm still within the return period and can grab one with a 7800x3d with a 4070 super, 32gb ddr 5 6000 for only about a $100 more. This helped with that decision.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Glad I could help and definitely do that, not just for the cpu but the 4070 Super is a great card … you can checkout my review for it 😉

@refiex1966 Месяц назад

On fortnite lowest settings 1080p do I want 14700k or the 7800x3d, would be doing good overclocks and cooling for intel also

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

It depends on what else you would want to do with your pc, but if you are primarily gaming particularly at lower resolutions then you should get a 7800X3D ... even more so now with the issues with higher-end Intel CPU's.

@dinglemckringleberry9429 2 месяца назад

I tried to build a 7800x3d. When it worked it was awesome. Just not reliable at all. Had to power cycle EVERT boot. If I was lucky, it would boot on 3rd cycle. Tried 2 different 7800’s and 2 different boards and 3 mem kits. Had enough, exchanged for z790 and 14700k - boots every time no issues.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

That sounds very strange … never seen an issue like this with any 5000 or 7000 cpu. The good news is you now have a system you are happy with.

@iKayorei 29 дней назад

Yea, this is one of the things holding me back. If reliability is a problem, its not worth the trouble.

@LostinSpacetime 2 месяца назад

This shouldn't be a wake-up call for Intel (they already know) but for the people buying their products. The uninformed buyer thinks that because Intel is more expensive, it has to be better. It's at least 2 years since Intel has been competitive, especially on laptops because of the far superior efficiency of AMD CPUs and more performant integrated GPUs. This, however, hasn't stopped more than 80% of buyers to pay more for less. AMD has even lost market share in the past 2 years, which shows just how well the Intel marketing is working.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

I agree and it also shows the power of brands ... in general people tend to be very brand loyal and Intel built a brand that people recognize so they feel "safe" buying it, even when the data shows that it's not the best choice.

@jaydeepmohile 2 месяца назад

I don't blame the people. I'm from India and I have been watching Intel inside ads for the last 30+ years on TV. I'm yet to see an AMD ad. I came to know about Ryzen in 2019 when I was planning to build a new PC and started to Google & RU-vid to understand what's on offer in the market. Most average consumers just get a pre-built or whatever fits their budget as per shop owner recommendations. And most shops recommend Intel CPUs.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Yeah, AMD marketing is terrible … they should hire some people from Nvidia and Intel 😉

@jaydeepmohile 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech They should actually 😄 Just came across your channel. Going through the video now. Great content. Subscribing for more such quality videos.

@JayTac1 2 месяца назад

I disagree. You have to keep in mind that a lot of people use their PC for more than just gaming. That said, with the 7800x3d you're sacrificing a lot in terms of productivity performance, and even boot speed, for a marginal improvement in gaming. So it's really a matter of preference. You can't go wrong with either. AMD has come a long way but I don't think they will cut into Intel until they create an all-around better chip.

@ultrarigo6829 2 месяца назад

That Bruce Buffer bit just earned you another subscriber lol 👍

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

He’s a great guy 😉

@ultrarigo6829 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech I miss the old days when you could meet him and all the fighters at a $70 event lol

@evansvalverde9646 Месяц назад

I'm about to get a new PC with the 14700K. I'd love that CPU Optimization guide!

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

It’s part of my plan … one thing I would recommend when you get your new PC is to enable Intel power limit settings in bios so your motherboard doesn’t increase power beyond reasonable levels.

@evansvalverde9646 Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctech I read about that on a forum a few days ago, however this is my first approach to a gaming PC so there's a lot of details I'm still unaware. Thanks for the advice! I'll take a look into it.

@Kingswtech 2 месяца назад

Dude was a rocket scientist lol I’m betting on him

@Battleneter 2 месяца назад

Its not rocket science :P

@testAccount-eb2ve 2 месяца назад

Great video as always, is this channel a hobby or are you doing it full time? Your always pumping out high quality content and I appreciate it ❤

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Thank you, I really appreciate your comment. I work part-time for an AI start-up, so I'm not full-time but I spend most of my time working on this content. I genuinely had no idea just how much work goes in to producing content, especially the benchmarking which usually takes days (if I don't find an error or have to explore an issue) ... I would love to be able to produce content faster but I think it's better to focus on higher quality versus quantity.

@testAccount-eb2ve 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech Anytime! Wow that's cool, thats the field I am planning on going into too ;) Yeah I definitely agree that higher quality videos are the way to go plus the extra tips you give like the CCleaner and the command prompt command are also super useful so I appreciate those gems too.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

It’s a great time to be involved with AI, so you are setting yourself up well for the future 😉

@testAccount-eb2ve 2 месяца назад

@Kevin-gf4im 28 дней назад

I am sensitive to micro stutter. I had to go intel 14700k and it runs so much smoother in games compared to my 5800x3d system. My roommate is immune to his stuttering 5900x amd platform. I have tried playing on his pc and its terrible but he doesnt notice it at all. Wtf lol

@blackbirdpctech 28 дней назад

It would be good to measure that behavior … have you ever looked at 0.1% lows? Might be interesting to test that and see if it can align with what bothers you. Is there a specific game that you notice it the most?

@necromancer263 Месяц назад

For me productivity is primary, so im looking towards the 14700. But i was wondering if you can still cool that power chugging monster with a dual tower air cooler, i really dont like AIOs, i had a bad experience with one and i really don't want another high maintenance machine.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Absolutely, something like the NH-D15 can cool it effectively. The mistake a lot of people make with Intel chips is to install them and leave their motherboard settings on Auto, which typically expands the power limit beyond reasonable levels. So if you go into your motherboard Bios and enforce Intel limits or even set a temperature limit, the performance impact will be minimal and your temps will be great. The motherboard vendors do an injustice to these chips in the way they setup their Auto features on their boards.

@Benz93x Месяц назад

Don't forget to undervolt it too. Start off with minis 0.02500

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

@@Benz93x if you run the Intel power profile do you still benefit from undervolting? Just curious as to the impact with both.

@Benz93x Месяц назад

@blackbirdpctech I haven't tried that, but I have mine set to bios optimise, and core voltage - 0.1000. It goes to 1.154v and it's very stable. Haven't tried the intel profile and don't think I would need to as the voltages are low and clock speeds are stable.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

@@Benz93xI was watching buildzoid and he said something super interesting … the higher end intel CPU’s are crashing due to lack of voltage … I need to mess around with my 14900ks and see what settings work best

@ImaITman 2 месяца назад

Another great high quality video - now that I know you're a rocket scientist I'm tipping my "it's not rocket science....oh yea it is!" NASA cup to you!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Thank you, I really appreciate that and yeah, that's why I use the "It's Not Rocket Science" tag line ... I want to try to eliminate the fear that some people have wrt building PC's.

@RaiDen_Not0P Месяц назад

Should i build my pc now or wait for new series cpu and gpu total budget around $1800

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Timing is always tough, even with new products on the way. My advice is to buy when you need it. The problem with new products is that it can be tough to get them when they release, which means you could be waiting another month or longer after the announced availability date. That said, if Intel Battlemage is actually at a 4080 level of performance at $500 then that would be a great option for you … but I think that won’t be available until November at the earliest.

@djlim4612 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the video. It's great to see AMD riding high. Am a fan of AMD even through the darkest of times for them. Wish there is a 3rd x86 CPU player though. Imagine the comparison between the AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d, the Intel 14700K and the "Cyrix M8 8550X" :D

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

My first real gaming PC from Voodoo PC had an FX-53 in it ... awesome CPU before the dark times that AMD went through. Thankfully they made it through otherwise we wouldn't have the competition and prices we see today in the CPU market. The GPU market is an entirely different story but we now have three competitors, so hopefully it will get better. Thanks for watching!

@djlim4612 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctechthat's really awesome. the FX-53 was my dream cpu at one time. Unfortunately couldn't afford it at the time (was a dirt-poor schoolboy then) . My first AMD cpu was the Athlon Thunderbird. Before that, I had the Cyrix 6x86-P-166+, then a Cyrix MII 300 (quite bad at gaming but great memories of them). My last Intel chip was an 486! During the "dark days", i had bought a AMD FX 8350 against practically everybody's advice. It's still serving faithfully in my parents' HTPC.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

@@djlim4612 I think we all willed AMD to be better during those times ... I remember telling my wife that we should invest in AMD when it was $1 per share ... we bought a few hundred dollars worth of stock ... she looks back now and says wish we had bought more.

@Battleneter 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech You should probably avoid being a fan of any company as they only care about you as a consumer :p. That said I switched to a 7800X3D a few months back, the last AMD I owned was literally 20 years ago, took them a long time to edge back past Intel, lets hope they can keep it up.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

@@BattleneterI agree with you … at the time Intel was dominating CPU’s and increasing prices so we needed AMD … ironically the same way we need Intel now for GPU’s. But yes, none of these companies care about us, just our money 😉

@johnt.848 Месяц назад

No need to bother comparing to a 14700K as the 7800X3D beats the 14900K and is MUCH better value.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

There is no question that the 7800X3D is better value and significantly more efficient however a well tuned 14900K will beat a 7800X3D in some games and the 14700K is close in price, so IMO they are both worthwhile comparisons.

@wolflegendgaming8420 4 дня назад

is the i7 14700k a good upgrade from an i7 9700k?cause I already ordered parts

@blackbirdpctech 4 дня назад

It’s a huge upgrade that will significantly improve your performance, so I wouldn’t be concerned.

@wolflegendgaming8420 3 дня назад

@@blackbirdpctech I've got a question maybe you'd be able to answer. I ruined something in my system while overclocking the CPU, and now the debug code on my motherboard shows D4, so i removed a stick of ram and now only sometimes (once every couple times I restart the pc) it shows that D4 error. It's important to note that while D4 is displayed, gaming is impossible due to hard crashes and freezes. Obviously I returned all the settings to stock settings on the motherboard. What could be the cause ?

@blackbirdpctech 3 дня назад

It's impossible to target exactly what the issue is but if you increased the voltage too much while overclocking then it's possible you could have permanently damaged the CPU, motherboard and/or RAM. Best case scenario is that you damaged the RAM, so I would start there and try replacing it to see if the error code goes away. If you haven't already done so then make sure you clear the CMOS ... that should be your new starting point. When you get a stable baseline setup in Bios make sure you save it before messing around. If it's not the RAM then you will need to check the CPU ... only way to really do that is to replace it. If it's not the CPU then it will likely be the motherboard, which is obviously worst case.

@wolflegendgaming8420 3 дня назад

@@blackbirdpctech something weird is happening on my pc actually, I wanted to make sure it was the ram that's causing this error, and so I reinstalled that stick of ram I took out to see if I get that D4 code. Weird part is I didn't. And the system booted up just fine with A0 code. Could it be possible that the system fixed itself? Cause I'm at a loss herr

@blackbirdpctech 3 дня назад

It’s possible the RAM dimm wasn’t seated properly in the slot … that would be a best case scenario. Probably a good idea to stress test your pc in your favorite game to check.

@milosjankovic9271 2 месяца назад

can you test them in WOW - Dragonflight ?

@milosjankovic9271 2 месяца назад

and of course great video!

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Let me look into it … I haven’t played WOW for a long time 😉

@milosjankovic9271 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech thanks, I am interested to see especially in raids or main city area (Valdraken) with a lot of other players in spot, which performs better.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Dragons dogma 2 might be a good test for that based on what I saw from GN … it is super cpu intensive in city areas with lots of people.

@TalonsTech 2 месяца назад

You didn't get lucky with your IMC on the 14700K. You are using a Z690/first gen LGA 1700 board. Those Z690 4 dimm boards are known to top out around 7000. Had you used a good Z790 refresh board, you would have been around 7600-7800 for a 4 dimm board and 8400 for a 2 dimm board.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Yes, you are correct about using a z690 and that being a limiting factor. I did a video using an apex with a 13900ks and memory at 8000, so I am familiar with the z790 boards. That said I did test my 14700k on a z790 and I still had stability issues with XMP settings, so I do have a chip with a lower quality IMC. Thanks for your comment.

@Creem16 День назад

its a problem for me when i research cpus and every reviewer treats the pc as an fps machine. i wish i could see more comparisons about idle power consumption and other usecases like coding and video editing. great tips though

@blackbirdpctech День назад

Great suggestions, I will see how I can incorporate those into my benchmark suite moving forward. Most reviewers focus on games because it's a great way to really test the components in a system and that's where most of the viewership comes from. Thanks for watching!

@Creem16 День назад

@@blackbirdpctech I wont even lie to you, gaming is what i do the majority of the time. But i've never needed to play in 4k or 2k although i wanna be able to. I've had more trouble running scripts from non gpu optimised python packages or R packages (map rendering), rendering in after effects/premiere/blender etc. I understand intel cpus are infernal beasts but i suspect only under max load. if they are efficient in idle or light browsing then its worth it for me.

@blackbirdpctech День назад

You can set them up to run super efficiently but the default settings are incredibly inefficient. The e-cores help them a lot in idle but that will apparently change with the new chips.

@bachcomp1 Месяц назад

Ryzen is better choice for gaming. I7 for workers. Intel funs should buy i5 13600kf or 14600kf. Good power and value.

@nightops4ever 6 дней назад

Yet to find similar boards where the Intel loses ... I'm finding a ~14% cost increase for same-type boards (Asus Z790 Hero vs Asus X670E Hero) if I want to go the AMD route, which more than makes up for the cost savings in going with Intel. That being said, my cooling bill for my house may make up for that fairly quickly, lol...

@blackbirdpctech 6 дней назад

It's definitely valid to consider the cost of the motherboard and RAM. If you look at the latest generation Z790 boards (the ones that launched with 14th gen CPUs) they are very similar in price to the X670e board (i.e. an MSI X670e ACE vs an MSI Z790 ACE MAX). Early on when AM5 launched the only option was X670e which was/is expensive but now the B650e options have significantly lowered the cost of entry. For RAM you can extract max performance from AM5 CPUs with 6000MT/s CL30 whereas for Intel you should go faster with something like 7200MT/s CL34 or better. You also have two dimm motherboard options for Intel but unfortunately those options don't really exist for AMD (i.e. the Apex). The only chips from Intel that I wouldn't recommend for gaming are the i9's given the recent issues ... the 14700K is a better option IMO.

@techluvin7691 2 месяца назад

that’s a no brainer……..even for a rocket scientist. Remember all that heat coming out of those rockets…..well…….that’s Intel CPU’s. It’s no contest when you take the heat issues and power draws into consideration

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Ok, that is a pretty funny comment 😂

@raynathanielcaparas8064 2 месяца назад

I went from an i9 13900k to a 7800x3d. Games are faster but i feel an input lag with amd. Is it normal? Intel just feels snappier overall

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

That's interesting, I have multiple systems and I don't really notice a difference. What memory are you using on your 7800X3D and do you have the latest chipset drivers from AMD installed?

@Pandemonium088 2 месяца назад

I do not have any input lag with AMD but the AMDip is there when gaming which is annoying.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

@@Pandemonium088 I'm planning on exploring the "dip" more so I'm curious, what monitor refresh rate and resolution are you using when you experience it? And are you running your 7800X3D (assuming that's what you have) at stock settings?

@Loky_8 2 месяца назад

@@Pandemonium088 zero dips on my rig (7800x3d +4090) ram speed 6400 cl30 and infinity fabric at 2166

@glenndoiron9317 20 дней назад

I own both systems (14700K and 7800X3D) and I also notice that the Intel system never hesitates or lags when browsing (response is always INSTANT), and it seems that the same use case on the 7800X3D has input lag. Heck, sometimes on the AMD system, even creating a comment like this on RU-vid sometimes reminds me of the days of 300 baud BBS's, and I never get that experience on any of the 10th+ gen intel systems I have access to. You're not alone in feeling this. It would be nice if someone could quantify this and figure out why the AMD system has this lag, especially for web browsing. (Both systems have 64GB DDR5 and high end video cards (3080TI / 7900XTX)). It might have something to do with the Intel system having 20 (or more on the14th gen i9) actual cores to work on Edge's threads and the AMD only having 8, but that's speculation. It's obvious that the extra cache on the 7800X3D isn't doing anything for web browsing.

@kotztotz3530 Месяц назад

I'd love to see Intel do a 3D v cache CPU. To be fair, the 14700k isn't a gaming CPU. It's targeted more towards creators/professionals who need the multi core performance.

@finger00 Месяц назад

It games just fine 😉

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

I would like to see that too however I disagree that the 14700k isn’t for gaming, it’s priced and marketed at gamers with the added benefit of doing well in applications. It certainly didn’t do poorly in the benchmark comparison, I simply think it’s priced wrong.

@dystopia-usa 2 месяца назад

I stopped buying Intel CPU's after my 2015 system build (which did use Intel) years ago, due to their shady/suspect "bad faith" business practices. Same with NVidia these days. It does make choosing my core computer build components much more streamlined & easy now. 😆

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

You should find my video for next week interesting 😉

@mkatakm 25 дней назад

Definitely AMD

@blackbirdpctech 24 дня назад

It’s a much easier decision now with the recent Intel stability problems.

@ZaricheYruga 28 дней назад

I wonder because the 7800XD uses more % than intel so bottleneck would be faster if I use more powerfull GPU components in the future because of the core numbers and threats

@blackbirdpctech 28 дней назад

Not sure how you came to that conclusion but based on the data that I generated for my bottleneck video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_S_Nm2Cr9JM.html it appears that in two of the three games the load for the 7800X3D was less than the 14700K. This is why it is always a good idea to use data to form an argument, sometimes it will surprise you.

@ZaricheYruga 28 дней назад

@@blackbirdpctech saw in many videos i7 14700k was like 33% usage and this one like 57%+

@blackbirdpctech 28 дней назад

I tested these thoroughly albeit in only a few games ... it's tough to compare two games by simply looking at on-screen usage during gameplay ... you really need to use monitoring data and measure the usage over a period of time under the exact same conditions.

@anttimaki6633 Месяц назад

literally any Hynix RAM kit OC @ 7200++ C34 and tiny touching (bringing it down) on Intel's rather high (over 1.45V) stock voltages, will result in very different results - using 6000MHz RAM as stock on Intel is like driving a car with hand-brake on, but who am I to judge lmao

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Not sure I really understand what it is that you are trying to say ... I used 6000 CL30 for the 7800X3D and 7000 CL34 for the 14700K, and I explained in the video why I intentionally selected EXPO/XMP without further tweaking. I also have two recent videos showing the performance difference between 6000 and 8000 RAM on both Intel and AMD systems. I may have missed your point, so please explain further if I did.

@anttimaki6633 Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctech Sorry then, I missed completely RAM settings on Intel, just went somehow with assumption that both were tested on 6000MHz CL30. Anyway, 12700K @ 1.19V 4900MHz was quite nice compared to ~1.45V 4600MHz allcore (stock), on my DDR4 4000 flat 16's, it gave some 23800pts in CBr23 multi - watts at

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

No problem ... my last video compared DDR4-3600 CL14 vs DDR5-7200 CL34 on Z690 boards with a 14900K (I used the exact same CPU and GPU for both to eliminate any performance impact due to the CPU or GPU, and I also enforced all Intel limits on the CPU on both boards). It is amazing just how poorly most motherboard vendors configure Intel CPU's with Auto settings ... they basically let it overheat and cripple the performance ... it's remarkably stupid. I need to play around more with the 14700K to see how I can extract max performance per watt.

@anttimaki6633 Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctech I ran that 12700k+MSI Z690-A Pro D4 about 1 year without any crashes or what so ever weird behaviour. 1.18V sometimes had some hiccups but that 1.19V was really the lowest I would call stable, since overnight test marathons didn't crash etc. RAMTest (Karhu software, from RAM OC stability) and plenty of other benches used, the most common ones. Now throwing in Teamgroup T-Create 5600 C40 (the jedec spec, Hynix M most likely, 10layer PCB) and see what Z790 Tomahawk can do, goal is that 7200 C34 but time will tell. Running with 12700KF this time... Unless getting a 7800X3D and a mobo. In my previous comment, the ram I had was cheap 3200 C15-15-15 TridentZ 2x16. Paid 400eur for a 128Gb (8x16 kit) :D then sold 2x16 pieces to friends cheap - OFC I said there's no warranty coz the kit is split. GSkill demands whole kit for RMA if even a single stick has issues.

@anttimaki6633 Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctech Der8auer had some nice older review of a 13900K UV&UC vs 5800X3D, and in his results Intel yielded with 3.11fps/W and AMD 2.65fps/W - Sure a 7800X3D is quite different story, no doubt on that. I have to say would be really interesting video topic to see a 13700k-14900k (some with 8 P-cores) to be undervolted with stock allcore-frequency... And then this is compared to a 7800X3D which has some -20-30 CO aswell. Can't comment too much on the PBO, you do your's. :D Mby I would keep it OFF since Intel's frequencies are not touched either. But have ram something 7000MHz on Intel and some ~6000 C30 on AMD.

@izil1fe 2 месяца назад

7800X3D is a clear winner.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

It's an amazing chip ... the best gaming chip I have ever used in terms of performance, power and cost.

@tommypearson9260 2 месяца назад

Brother you don't need to turn off e-cores the problem with DDR5 you need to tune three voltages SA VDDQ and VDRAM SA at least 1.2800 VDDQ 1.44-1.45V VDRAM 1.42v or Higher you will lock in 7200 very easily

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

I hear you, when I’m tweaking intel systems I typically turn of e-cores because they don’t add value in gaming and I’ve had much better luck getting DDR5 memory stable with them off. That said, I could get the memory “Karhu” stable by increasing the voltages you mentioned but I don’t think most people would be willing to do that, so I wanted to show results for an XMP solution. Appreciate your comment.

@hectorgonzalez4792 2 месяца назад

Idk 🤷🏽‍♂️. I still would like to see a video with tuned ddr5 timings. My 14900k runs great paired with 7600 ddr5 24 hour karhu stable 1.4v with secondary and tertiary timings tightly.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

@@hectorgonzalez4792 I have a video comparing DDR5-8000 with DDR5-6000 on a 13900KS (aka 14900K), both running EXPO ... the challenge with showing data for tuned timings is that it will be very IMC dependent ... it would however be helpful to show how to optimize timings ... that's something I could do in the future.

@Thebossreserve 2 месяца назад

Can you do this on a z690 strix with a 14900k?

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

@@ThebossreserveI’m currently doing some memory testing on a z690 extreme with a 14900k … memory is at 7200 but I still had to increase voltages in order to get it stable … the IMC is better than the 14700k but the motherboard lets it down.

@Nirmk Месяц назад

if u are just playing game the 7800x3d is good but if u are doing more than gaming the 7800x3d is barely better than a 5800x in multi core 14700k shreds this cpu and is on par with 7950 multi

@HiQualityH2O 2 месяца назад

The 7800x3d beats the 14900ks In some games lol

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

It really is an amazing chip in terms of performance and value.

@KirillNeko Месяц назад

So, you necked down i7-14700K for this test.... Bruh.....

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

I don’t understand what you mean?

@adgurkan Месяц назад

Take notes userbenchmark…

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

UserBenchmark and online Bottleneck calculators ... the bane of every PC users existence 😉

@rahorin 22 дня назад

Kind of misleading when you say "7800X3D is the winner" when gaming performance is better but by marginal single digit percent on some games and even losing on others. Meanwhile on the application side of things ALL tests show around 200% better performance for Intel. To be clear...you won't notice any difference gaming but will definitely notice a huge improvement on application workloads and multi-tasking. The real winner is Intel.

@blackbirdpctech 22 дня назад

The great thing about generating data is that you can use it to support your recommendations ... you don't have to base it on an opinion. When you look at the gaming performance the 1% lows, which is something most people will notice, are significantly higher with the 7800X3D. This is in addition to the averages that are not insignificant (>5%). Then when you include cost this advantage increases further. So while you are correct in saying that applications run better on the 14700K (as I stated in my video), it is inferior in gaming and not by a small margin. And yes, you will definitely notice the increase in 1% lows so no, the real winner is the 7800X3D. That said the 14700K is a great chip, it's simply priced poorly ... if Intel dropped the price by $50 then it would be much more competitive in gaming efficiency. I would also recommend the 14700K over the 14900K given the recent instability issues.

@adi6293 Месяц назад

7800X3D WTF !! :D

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

It’s always nice to have data to back it up 😉

@adi6293 Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctech Yes it is , I have one and its great , I love that you don't have to overclock it to get maximum performance out of it , I don't have the time for it any more like I did when I was 20 😅

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Agreed, I think that is one of its biggest strengths … it just performs like a champ right out of the box, no tweaking, no screwing around.

@Todd-um9bo Месяц назад

I realized gaming is dead so I quit gaming. The 14700k is the best choice for programmers.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

Why do you think gaming is dead?

@Todd-um9bo Месяц назад

@@blackbirdpctechI guess it feels like gaming isn't as exciting anymore because I've gotten older since I was really into it. Even though gaming is still going strong, it just doesn't get me as pumped up as it used to.

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

I can appreciate that … I think for me it’s just different from when I was younger … my time is more valuable so I expect more from a game now versus then … something like Baldur’s Gate 3 is game I am willing to spend time on now

@skinder842 Месяц назад

Former rocket scientist, sure bud

@blackbirdpctech Месяц назад

I get it, there are a lot of scams and fraudsters online. My first video shows my origin story in detail … you can quite literally verify it all on Google given that I was a senior executive at Lockheed Martin and Booz Allen. People think rocket science is tough … try posting on RU-vid and getting people to subscribe 😉

@lilunchengsmiles 2 месяца назад

That hasn’t been able to explain the recent sudden shift of user bases from AMD Ryzen to Intel Core according to Pudget recent survey 2024. The shift happened when core 13 series were introduced. Not sure the main reason. All I know is that Intel CPU had significant advantages in video editing due to the quick sync which does have noticeable differences. For gaming, FPS 150 vs 160? Who cares.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Interesting, will look that survey up. I know that Adobe products are optimized for Intel CPU’s and can take advantage of their iGPU’s. You may be surprised how much some people are willing to pay for a 10 fps boost 😉

@lilunchengsmiles 2 месяца назад

@@blackbirdpctech the Threadripper still dominates Xeon in workstation according to the Pudget report. Just seems interesting that the consumer grade CPU trend has been reversed.

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Does it include mobile CPU’s? It would be interesting to see desktop and laptop data separately. I believe that Intel is still in a dominant position with laptops.

@2DEZstb 2 месяца назад

now an x3d?.....intel, what?....wait 3 months and zen5... rocket scientist 😂

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

Can you confirm when Zen 5 will be available? If you wait for the next big thing you will always be waiting because there will always be something better coming.

@KaiChenoz 19 дней назад

7800X3D is much better

@blackbirdpctech 19 дней назад

In gaming it’s truly amazing!

@jessepriest8307 29 дней назад

Zotac cards are dogshit

@blackbirdpctech 29 дней назад

That is the only Zotac card I own and it performs well

@robertvansteinshwaga 2 месяца назад

14700k ftw. Runs cooler while gaming. Wins or barely loses in anything above 1080p.......

@blackbirdpctech 2 месяца назад

It’s a good chip, basically the only meaningful upgrade from 13th gen since they added some e-cores, I just wish Intel would be a bit more aggressive on price given the performance of the 7800X3D.

@Dexion845 2 месяца назад

Runs cooler than what? 7800X3D uses half the power consumption, he even said this himself in the video. You NEED DDR5-7000 to "win" a 7% deficit in a 12-Game Average? Did you skip the video? I don't even know why you'd get this over a 13700K at least you're saving money the difference between the two is within a margin of error. But no sir 7800X3D by a wide margin is undefeated in gaming, in a hybrid gaming and productivity PC? That 13700K or 13900K is your best bet.

@robertvansteinshwaga 2 месяца назад

@@Dexion845 At idle lol. Try actually running a game.

@hectorgonzalez4792 2 месяца назад

I actually agree my 14900k runs around 2 degrees from the water temp at idle usually 26 27 degrees and playing games usually stays around 40 to 50 degrees. Im running a 360 aio.