Should you learn Vue.js or React.js? 

For more than 2 years, I have been a React developer. This week, I switched to Vue.js after realizing the benefits are so much more worth it.

Tech news vlog is an awesome idea, great phanx! Looking forward to watch some vlogs soon!

react is really beautiful when it works...I'll let yall know when it works tho

I really like your style! Right there, to the point, not keeping us waiting till the end and at the end saying "Well, it depends...". We need more videos like this one, with opinions based in personal experiences and heartbeats that give us the possibility to reach our own conclusions! Thanks a lot!

A podcast is a great idea! Keep us all updated.

My $0.02: I first learned VueJS since I found React too challenging to learn. After learning the basics of Vue and improving my basic Javascript skills, I came back to React and and am now grasping what it's trying to do. I feel it's making me a better Javascript developer. I may be wrong, but it appears VueJs has much more syntactical sugar and relies much more on DSL (domain specific language) then REact, which appears to me to rely more on core Javascript techniques. So while I agree with the ease of use being a good indicator of potential popularity and adoption, I worry that VueJS'reliance on DSL will curtail its long term viability. Great video BTW. You always put out gold

I like that you get right to the point in your videos instead of doing an annoyingly long intro in a desperate attempt to extend video length

The ease of use is a great point that I think many underestimate. In fact, the ease of use is almost seen as a negative; the impression I get is that many devs take pride in learning the "harder" of the two. Your comments echo what I heard from Jeffrey Way of Laracasts years ago. He too said that devs will gravitate to Vue because it's easy. And in every case I think "easy" means that it makes sense, it's intuitive and it's clear.

Great stuff Stef! I like when you talk about the business and entrepreneurial side of development, and it would be great to have a weekly podcast!

When I look at job offers (in germany) most of them don't require knowledge of any specific framework. Most of them (actually all I looked at) require experience with js frameworks in general. I guess most people shouldn't have much trouble picking up a new framework if they worked with another one.

New programmers don't understand that high demand for new technologies is not because its so much better than old one but because a company hired a developer who implemented a new, trendy framework/library into the project and it caused problems. And now company is looking (hoping) for a React/Angular 6 programmer to hopefully solve the problem.

the key point is at min. 0:09 . If you have "NO JOBS IN MIND". Because the aweful reality is that there're simply no jobs for Vue.js now. As I always say: You want to know what technology or language you should learn?? Look at the job offers. It's all there. So if just want to learn smth because it's simpler or might have a slightly brighter future.., then by all concerns, go ahead. But, if you actually want to find a job in this business in the near real world future, the go for react+node or angular. End of the story.

I've used Vue here and there, and am pretty much getting the same buzz I got when I was using jQuery back in the day. I do acknowledge I'm not using its full capabilities though. The interesting thing about Vue, is that it seems to scale to your expertise.

You make a good point, vue.js is default for Laravel too

Thanks Stefan, for all of your contribution, I've learned PHP and I am very good at it right now and I am getting better by the day with Python (great language!). Thanks for you dedicated support, I make sure to NEVER miss any of your videos, I watch them as soon as they come out. I'll be buying your web development guide very soon to even further improve my skills. - Your dedicated fan and a person who takes you as an example to motivate myself - Laurynas

This dude the real OG

This topic is so relevant for me right now. Thanks for a great video as usual

React is obviously the most popular, but I'm going to be a rebel and choose Vue for the first framework I pickup. I had been debating this question for a while now. But for Vue, The documentation is EXCELLENT. I say this as someone that has a basic understanding of JS, I can actually READ the docs on Vue, and understand it a bit!!! This has typically not been my experience when trying to read documentation. I think Vue is going to eventually catch on in a way that people aren't expecting. Vue just seems SO easy to implement into your projects and pretty easy to understand.

At work we use React and on my personal projects I use Vue anyway my point here is that React is more close to developers who use to work in backend but It takes a lot of boilerplate to have it nicely structured compared with Vue so the real question here is how good are you on Javascript because these days javascript becomes powerful and is compatible across all browsers then as to be successful choose the simplest framework that fit your needs.

podcast -> Yes pls!!

I was searching for react portfolio website ideas and I found this video! Sooo glad I did! Your channel has excellent content! A few weeks ago, after finishing a frontend technologies course, I had to choose which path I should take (and master). I decided to go with React and vanilla JS(The truth is I didn't know about Vuejs at that moment). I think I have made a good decision, though, 'coz I feel that learning React is also making me a better JS developer. And I also have to say that you somehow remind me of Al Pacino(sorry, I had to say it). Anyway, I am really happy that I found this channel and can't wait to see more videos!!

These frameworks are really confusing, listen to this, I started learning Vue 2 weeks ago, then I found something named Nuxt, they said it is based on Vue and it is more flexible and easier to learn and use, I moved to it few days ago, then, today morning I watched a huge conference about Google Flutter for mobile and web using Hummingbird... What to do now?! not sure! between us, I am thinking to go back to ES6, focus on it and forget everything else! 🙄 Thanks for the video, keep vlogging.

yes I would choose vueJS also

I loved React and I kept ignoring people who said Vue is better and once I saw the documentation for the first time, I fell in love with Vue

I agree so much! Simplicity and ease of use is so important. Look at what fast.ai is doing with deep learning for example.

Learn a lot about the few languages, frameworks, and libraries you need to do a specific job, but always spend time learning a little bit about a lot of things you aren't currently using. At least then you'll have a basis for comparison, and you'll be ahead of the game if you need to learn a technology in more depth in the future.

I think the question is really can Vue do the more complex projects, since it's pretty clear it's better for smaller projects. In my limited experience it's very similar for more advanced projects, so I could see it catching up since developers already have their foot in the door.

Hardly any jobs out there for Vue, despite the GitHub star hype. I think it's the more sustainable option when compared to React, though. . .A few years from now, devs are going to be pulling their faces off in horror at the concept of JSX (i.e. mixing HTML with logic).

The great Stef, best content as always!

i like the podcast idea

Love your videos ! Thanks for the advice and that car sounds great!

I’ve used react and it does seem simple at first but it can get pretty complex when using redux. Always had interest in Vue but never got too deep into it. React Native is pretty awesome though. Thanks for the video Stef!

Thank you for your advice Stephan. Greatly appreciated.

It's April already, and, look at all that snow. According to my friends in Michigan, this has been a cold Spring, so far.

please keep vlogging so much useful information to learn from you!

I agree that Vue.js is a better investment than Angular or React. But my question is this - do we really need a front end framework at all ? Each site will differ - at least - in regard to header, article, sidebar and footer content. For sites of similar layout, a web designer can just copy-and-paste the html/css/js/fonts from previously designed site A to new project site B, then change the content text as required within each page block. Suppose site B not only differs in content but also demands a whole different 'look', i.e. a different layout, e.g. vertical navbar, video led main page content, etc. Here the web designer will be spending most of their time imagining the appearance of the new site and trying to find HTML/CSS/JS constructs to achieve it. Previous 'template' sites won't be any use at all. As I see it, front end frameworks only earn their keep when the web designer is doing generic websites, e.g. web shops with many stock items, that have little demand for attractive appearance. BTW, I agree 100% with all you say on core technology learning. I'm glad I learned JavaScript properly and ignored jQuery. Now I have slideshows the way I want them and with more features than the standard. I don't have the dead weight of carrying the whole jQuery library and additional plugins either - an important thing for sites read on small devices by impatient users.

One of a few reasonably sensate comment about these topics. I fully igree with you...i’ve seem much of those bloated frameworks ya mentioned fallen into disuse...At the end everbody wants to solve their problems with more productivity and simplicity...Greaty video! 😃

That'd be really cool if you did a podcast. I have a hard time finding a good podcast within this genra and you'd be at the top of the list for me.

I think a weekly podcast would be better (less work (I can't see another podcast die, I just can't) and you can condense a lot of stuff instead of having "filler" days". What platforms would it be released on?

I agree that Vue has a simpler API design. This however is the direction the React team has been taking with hooks. It’s completely different an experience writing apps using hooks. A lot more clean, concise and simple api design. The folks at the React team are also thinking about solutions that they are working with the Chrome team to bring into browser land. I totally agree it’s always valuable understanding the fundamentals of any platform. ES6, 7 etc...

I like the car journey at the end

Thank you. Good argument.

That would be awesome, tech news

hosting question: should I start a new site using a service line godaddy or should I host on AWS/ Google cloud?

Tech news vlog is an excellent idea!

once you get good with react & redux its actually pretty fun, although the learning curve was pretty tedious. I cant speak for Vue but right now react is the hot item so learn that. A few years from now I can see Vue taking over and at that point ill learn vue

3:38 Vanilla JS !

As you mentioned in the video, learning vanilla JS is the best way to start because then the framework/library won't be a huge issue. I have purchased JavaScript and jQuery by Jon Duckett to dive deeper into vanilla. After trying React a while back it felt far too complex for someone only coding for a few months. Would you recommend giving vue.js a shot since it is less complex? Perhaps it would even help me start building a portfolio quicker(unless it's frowned upon to use Vue.js in your portfolio sites).

Idea about news or podcasts sounds interesting. Give it a try.

Would love to see you do some "podcasts" in that content area. Cheers! :D

This question is for Stef and any other WordPress developer: I understand the new WordPress uses React now. So if i want to become a great WordPress developer, should i forgo Vue and learn React instead? It seems a bit obvious, but i just want to confirm; I really prefer Vue instead. Thanks

I think with the tendency of ReactVr, React fiber and React Native choosing React is more secure for the future, because it gives you a lot of oportunities!!!

Yeah, I go with Mr. Mischook, vue is the future....

Exactly my question and just the answer I wished for. Phew! Thanks man!

I would definately listen to an entrepreneurially themed podcast! Good idea.

Have you already started with the podcasts ? If yes, where can we follow you ?

+1 for vue.js

I like these videos by Stef, and I agree that Vue is overall a bit nicer syntax wise than React. The only thing is that this video doesn't really do much specific comparing and contrasting so that viewer doesn't have much to form an opinion on other than "Vue is simpler" :P Given that I'm kind of surprised to see such a high like rate. Also, I get the general sense that Stef hasn't really used either of these frameworks which makes me wonder on what is he basing this off of? Now let me repeat, I think that Stef's view (no pun intended) is very wise here, but really the basis is Stef's experience in coding over a long period of time and looking at safe bets and long term trends rather than using both frameworks. Correct me if I'm wrong Stef!

You should make the podcast, I would love to listen.

Nice driving shots at the end of the video - what kind of camera do you use?

That would be a great vlog idea!

What should I do being a beginner I have only worked with Node.js and create simple web apps by server side rendering with .ejs and .handlebars, I'm also looking for jobs, so should I go with Vue.js so by the time I learn it the GitHub Starred hype translates into jobs and I get a job or should I still go with React for the job aspect. PS: I'm a CS graduate though and practiced C, Java, Python (with Django as well) and JavaScript .

I am starting SWD by learning Angular 2, it is like a kick in the face by a beautiful object orientated woman but I am learning so much about programming in general. :B

I'm gonna learn vue

Montreal looks so nice and clean.

You are the best Stefan, could you do a video or even a serie on the Java Card and microprocessor cards. Or PKI , Me and my friends would really enjoy security topics

Should I learn Vue or Flutter?

If you are new like me (mehhh) then first framework should be vuejs then angular6 (if you want to learn new framework every year ;) ) or react

These Javascript frameworks are changing every month. Guarantee it will be all automated soon, i hope

I don't let emotions impact my choices, Vue is easier but React is where the money is, at least for the time being.

I think react is better, but redux is not very understandable. I don't even know what it is suitable for.

This guy is right in about 2 years :-) That's the industry baby!

Thx for the info!

That’s right.

I agree with your points. Focus on techniques and programming fundamentals as well as simple always beats complicated. That being said, I still think react.js is more simple than vue.js. In terms of data flow / management as well as component lifecycle. React also has the biggest community and best engineering team behind it. Cheng Lou, Dan Abramov, Lee Byron just to name a few.

Is the idea of jumping to vue from jquery really that bad? I mainly focus on backend but wants to be relevant too in the frontend part of development. I'm already familiar with the basics of javascript like ajax calls through jquery. Should I really go back and relearn everything through vanilla javascript before jumping to vue?

Vue is incredibly easy to learn. It took me just a month to learn some great concepts in Vue and using those to make some few small projects. React seems simple at the beginning, but its simplicity is what makes it a bit complicated later on. There isn't much to learn in React, the worst part is using the simplicity of React to build complex projects. Overall both technologies are great. You can go with either one and still feel complete. If you're a beginner then definitely opt for Vue.js.. That's my recommendation.

Which one do you use for your own project if there were no client constraints? Or would you use something completely else? Btw. I agree Vue being easier, especially when considering the 100+ libs you supposed to bolt to any React project even small one. Why do I need something like Redux for example? Never needed anything like that before.

More business discussion sounds great!

Vue.js is as hard and robust as react... Just take a good look on vue.js Composition api There are few difference vue.js has some abstractions or dsl such as directives for iterating over a list or conditional rendering in the view. This is something that I miss when working with react.js and I get the argument react is just a javascript. Guess what so is vue.js doesn't mean I wouldn't have nice abstractions for doing things. There are two ways of building app these days either you go heavy on serverside technology like django or ruby on rails. Or you go on heavy client side component based architecture like ember, react and vue. At the end of day all of the javascript frameworks has one thing in common which is complexity and if you're CTO, maybe doing proper framework/library validation and choosing something like Elm is better option.

Could it be said, if you learn Vue first afterwards I guess you could pick up React later because of the learning curve. I am considering Vue because Laravel for PHP many developers use Vue for the front end. But eventually I would like to learn React later on because there are more jobs in NYC with React over Vue.js Does learning a framework help your JavaScript skills?

Hi Stefan great video and good info but I have one question... How long does it take to build a website??? And is it faster to build in Word Press??? Chiquito...

While I appreciate your perspective, I am leaning personally towards React. Keep the content coming though!

Awesome stuff man!

I'll go with you on this But what about Angular vs Vuejs ?

The tech podcast sounds like an awesome idea

I would love to hear your thoughts on GraphQL and Apollo, they are really trending these days.

Thanks 😃

Wasn't Wordpress core looking to adopt vue.js? Not sure what came of that.

Hi Stef. I'm struggling to find a way to use my skills as a business. I work for a company in front-end and React (and some C# back-end and SQL too). What can I do with this skillset in the entrepreneur world and provide this skillset to customers? Something that Wordpress can't do. I dont want to work for a company anymore, I prefer to have my own business. I just don't know what.

Exactly language comes first.... sooo many ppl on youtube encouraging ppl to not learning js

Why not Angular???

Stefan, usually you give solid advice, but not this time. A lot of people are picking up React, so it's obviously possible to learn. Learning something that will likely less help you become a better candidate is a wrong move. Never opt for easy! Go for worthwhile.

thanks for the good advice!!

Thanks Very Good , The Video is Great Thanks .

i really wanted to see what kind of car you driving after a HUGE 29 years of coding and working in the tech industry. I hope its something fancy coz otherwise i would be really really disappointed.

I still don't understand why exactly Vue is supposed to be easier than React. Sure, it provides some convenience features like v-model, which reduce boilerplate and may help you be more productive. But I think Vue simply has a lot more new concepts you have to learn than React. Just take React's props as an example: they basically cover a whole bunch of Vue's features like props, events, slots or class binding. Same things with React's hooks. The fact that React relies on vanilla JS features as much as possible and introduces as few original concepts as necessary is probably one of its biggest strengths. Don't get me wrong: Vue definitely has some advantages over React, I just don't think "easy to learn" is one of them. But maybe I'm a bit biased towards React because I have a lot more experience with it. I would love to hear opinions from people who are more familiar with Vue.

I wish I came across this video earlier 😭😭, Although there are no wasted knowledge but I've wasted my time trying to learn react 🤦‍♂️ And I tend to take what you say serious cause you're someone with experience you definitely know what you're saying 🤦‍♂️

Do the podcast Stef!!! :-)

What about ionic?