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Honestly, you can make a pretty good nilou team just using dendro mc, collei, and barbra, who are all free. Navia requires way more support and investment. Nilou is the easiest character in the game to get artifacts for, and they are all about to be strong boxable. Key of khaj has way more value than you're giving it. The difference between a nilou with key and without is like night and day. As for furina with key, it is basically comparable to her own or better in a lot of teams even before c6. In quickbloom teams, it buffs every character significantly. It's pretty good for vape teams, especially if furina is the one vaping. While also having the benefit of being a very good weapon for 5 different characters.
They require similar investment so it depends really who you prefer. A f2p navia can bypass abyss easier with geo mc, bennett, and xiangling. I've been clearing abyss since 4.3 with that team (all c0 except mc). Nilou requires a higher investment in terms of character pulls, you wouldn't passby easily with just dendro mc, collei, and barbara especially with the upcoming abyss in 4.8. However, she has it easier for the artifacts department. So it pretty much depends on which character suits your account more. If you got a decent dendro-hydro roster then go for nilou but if you already have a well built xiangling/bennett/geo subdps then go for navia
@@Joaquin-h1xyes but you don’t even have to invest in Nilou’s talent..my f2p nilou is lv 80 talent 2/2/2 , 300 em , 55khp without hydro bonus , and she slay …I don’t have navia though, but she will consume more resin and moras that you could’ve invested in another character…
@@sekaiomiruhitokaminoyume5426 yes you don't have to invest much on nilou but boy her teammates sure do, especially healers so they can still do high heals while carrying em main stat pieces. and Navia doesn't require that high of an investment either. She can rock 2pc-2pc leftovers as long as the bonus set benefits her. And has a wider weapon/teamcomp option in comparison to Nilou. Both are low investment units but who to pull will still depend on your character roster and which characters are already built
Nilou helped me to finish the abyss the first time by using the team u mentioned. On the other hand, Navia is a beast when hitting bosses and she made it so easy to clear the abyss. This is a hard choice for the players to pick. Both are really good.
NILOUUUUU I MISSED YOUUUU GOD ITS BEEN A YEAR I WILL FINALLY GET HER I SAVED HER MY GUARNTEED 🥺🥺🥺 Edit : lmao nvm i don't like her anymore, i realized I just was excited to play bloom lol
I've seen the future: we will not see Nilou in Natlan. It's her third banner, so next time she'll come back, is Sumeru trash banner. She also got a skin, this means she'll get kicked of the meta like a 5 star skin characters and that's how she makes the last bucks hor HYV. Farewell Nilou.
@@PorkyChop-Vincee A little slow thinking on your end. You can't even catch a small joke. It's all right, you only need three brain cells: one to eat, one to shit and one to sleep.
The only obstacle to bloom teams is dendro immunity Also, Genshin doesn’t experience powercreep as severely as other gachas, it’s okay to enjoy things Especially because any character can be viable
Having both of these units, this is a really hard pick for people who don’t have either. I think between the two, Navia is slightly better. Geo is often a flex unit and not a lot of things are geo immune plus and she’s probably the only claymore user I actually enjoy playing due to her high skill damage. Nilou is really good, but the problem is that she has a low floor but a high ceiling for investment and a lot more enemies can counter nilou like strong elemental shields like cryo and pyro and dendro immune enemies. Both are super strong and I don’t regret either.
will definitely try to pull for Navia. I've been lacking in the Geo department. And I'm kinda into the renaissance fashion. Not to mention she's got a gun. Got 3k gems to spare. Hoping for the best.
I lost Nilou on her last rerun, but I adore Navia as she’s amazing in any catagory you can place her in, design, character, playstyle etc. Navia is an absolute pull for me and if I have leftover I’ll try Nilou again.
Two important Weapon Banner things you maybe left out: 1) Furina can use Key, and in teams where she's doing Vaporizes, it's extremely powerful on her. 2) Xiphos's Moonlight has historically appeared on the same banner as Key. Xiphos's Moonlight is an insanely good 4* sword and possibly Kazuha's general BiS. It's a very rare weapon and this might be one of the last chances to get it (since Nilou is likely to be rotating to Chronicled Wish and we have no idea if XM will reappear somewhere else).
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603 and tell me what dumb people would use her team agaisnt cryo shielded enemies? It's like bringing Neuvillette againts hydro shielded enemies and then get mad bcs he couldnt break that shield and then label him as bad. You have to use your brain & think what elements can break that shield yk
@@muichirotokito9801 where's your enthusiasm sense? I reply that can Nilou Bountiful Core defeat Cryo shield. Neuvilllite against Cryo give wanna fun not meant time challenges
Please help me choose between the two : Nilou : • She’s OP for bloom teams and I have Nahida (C0) to pair with her. • I prefer her design over Navia’s. • I don’t have her weapon. • Bloom teams are more likely to stay meta??? • I already have a lot of hydro characters (all hydro women except Nilou) • I’m not familiar with her playstyle. • She is less likely to rerun anytime soon Navia : • I have I don’t have any geo character built (no geo dps). • I have her weapon R2 from pulling Ayaka’s weapon during her first run. • I don’t really have good supports for her (No other geo character except Ningguang or geo MC). • She is more likely to rerun in the future • Might not be meta anymore once Natlan characters come out?
Because you have Verdict, I (Ryft) would pull Navia. Having a characterwith their weapon is so satisfying, and you are set up for that with Navia. Nilou doesn't need her weapon to be insane. Like you mentioned, you already have Nahida, so you can make a crazy Bloom team. IMHO, I would choose Navia. Her teams are very versatile too. There's a great chance you already have many viable supports for her. Kachina might actually turn out to be a great support for her. Hope this helps your decision in a positive way.
I have both of them. They are both great, I’d say if you have Nahida, Nilou wil be better , if you don’t have Nahida then Navia id say is the better pick.
its been 1 year, 9 months ago since the first banner of nilou release! been playing the game since 2020 until now ( 2024) keep playing the game until i am dead ( since i have all 5 star from 2020 to 2024) just enjoying the content of the game
navia and nilou are the cores of my two 36* abyss teams Nilou, Nuevillette, Nahida, Baizhu Navia, Furina, Layla, Xianyun Love both teams. just carve through the abyss as if it's not there.
@@pendragonnn well playtime wise i have definitely got more time out of nilou. but then i've had her since 3.6. Navia is a fun hypercarry; but if i'm to be honest, she didn't "pop" as a standout in my roster until i teamed her up with xianyun. Xianyun fixes Navia's biggest problem. her down time between her skill uses. With Xianyun you can use plunge attacks and do a shit-ton of damage outside of her shotgun bursts. When i made that teamup Navia started to really shine. Are there other good teams for navia without Xianyun? sure, she works well with bennett and zhongli too. but my favorite, and I think my strongest is teamed with xianyun. shotgun blasts for 200+ k followed by plunge attacks around 70k sort of melts through foes. Still, if you have a strong hypercarry already, i would lean toward Nilou (only if you also have nahida, or alhatham)
Serious question I have 60 pity guaranteed Should I pull for Nilou for my alhaitham ( I have a very well built Xingqiu and c6 Barbara so I’m not sure if I really need her) Or should I wait for Yelan for my Arlecchino?
since there is new theater content, I don't have any single 5* GEO character. yeah I pull for her, her personality is bright like Yoimiya so thats a plus point for me
I think I will go for Navia. I am lacking a lot in the Geo department. I have no 5* Geo and neither Ninguang nor Noelle are particularly good, even though I have invested a lot in them already.
Honestly torn between Navia and Nilou... who would you choose? Nilou: 1. I keep hearing how Nilou's blooms are like "tactical nukes" but I need more time with her to learn the playstyle. 2. I agree with you re Nahida / Nilou. As another RU-vidr once said: Nilou will grab your Nahida and never let her go. While that image is quite cute, I like Nahida on several teams, and if I have to run nilou in Abyss, my Nahida is spoken for. 3. However, I have Ayato and Alhaitham as drivers for my dendro teams (along with Nahida, Kuki, Raiden, Kokomi, Collei, Dendro MC, Kirara, Yao Yao, Xingqiu, Yelan, etc.). So Nilou would fit the current roster nicely. 4. Cry shields and dendro immune enemies aren't that common right? :P Navia: 1. Navia was easy to use when I tried her. 2. I don't have a proper GEO DPS right now (sorry, Noelle and Ningguang). 3. I already have Zhongli (C0), Bennett (C6), Xiangling (C6), and that team just needs a Navia. I also have Furina, and healers, so she can fit one of those teams. 4. However, I'm worried that Navia is a going to be powercrept in Natlan somehow - Nilou bloom is still considered META (subject to the obvious restrictions). Hmm... after writing it out, maybe Navia is the better choice for my account. I'll do the character trials and see how it changes my mind if at all...
It seems like Navia is better. As you stated, Nahida is used up on your other teams and Alhaitham doesn't do as well without her so I would go with a different character for a different comp so you can use your Nahida as you see fit
@@gachainteract Thanks, you guys! I really value your input and your content (which I why I subscribed to you). And if you read this answer/comment: I really like the format of your videos. The chapters make the most sense: (1) what do the characters actually do? (2) what do the weapons do? (3) look at your account needs. (4) decide who/what will give you more value. (5) F2P v. Whales v. Veteran account notes. It's the easiest way to really think about what this character and weapon add to your account. At the end of the day, it's up to me what I do with my primos, but I like getting input from experts like yourselves because I don't have time to learn this stuff on my own.
Navia is a very quick swap Dps, so in the future you can use her 2 skills and then take out your on-field dps. Even her burst does off-field damage. I have her along with verdict and I plan to use her like this in the future.
@@pontoon2336 That's a really good point. I keep forgetting Navia can be used on quick swap teams too! So, I can slot her into other teams. I'm leaning toward Navia. :)
I’m def using any pulls for nilou and then if i get her straight to her weapon n hopefully I’d get an early since only at 30 pity cause it’s such a pretty weapon
Pulling for Nilou because I accidentally got Navia on the first pull of her last banner and her weapon for under 10 pulls, but I lowkey didn’t want her.. ☹️
Is lootbar like fully trustworthy ??? I am trying to get furina’s weapon since furina has the key. I want nilou so I kinda need to start saving soon if not now. So is it fully trustworthy 😅😅😅😅
@Lukz243 I really like Navia and her weapon together. It really does make a difference, but Nilou could open up a super bloom team. I'm a personal fan of Navia and Ryft is more of a Nilou fan. Both solid DPS, but I think since you have Navia, getting her weapon and then trying for Nilou would be a good idea
Serious question! I have triple crown c0 Navia with her weapon and pretty good stats. Should I go for her c2 or for Nilou? I also have like 30 pitty and 50 wishes but no guarantee.
Would go for Nilou since the chances of obtaining C2 Navia are immensely low with your current wish count. Also, Navia is powerful enough to where she doesn't heavily need her early cons imo. Especially if you have her weapon. (Ryft)
I pulled on the weapon banner for Ayaka weapon but then got Navias so I used all my primos and got ayakas weapon but idk what to do with navias weapon so im here to see if she is worth jt
I don't know who to pull, between navia or yelan.. i love them both.. i have c6 xingqiu and c1 furina(got lucky), but only c6 noelle for a "decent" geo character and a c1 ningguang. Who is better to pull?
@@nicolefeliziani8405 Yelan will probably get more play time in the Abyss setting, but Navia’s got you covered when you need massive Geo firepower. Who has more value overall? Yelan. But if you think you can get by with Xingqiu and Furina on your account without needing another off-field Hydro unit, then Navia’s your pick.
@@gachainteract Yep.. it's a hard choice.. i'll wait to see the 4 stars on yelan banner. Yelan is an older unit, so i'm thinking it's going to take more time to rerun? Or maybe it's navia that is going to take more time.. mmmm
@@nicolefeliziani8405 There is also the possibility in the far future of Yelan appearing on a Liyue themed “Chronicled Wish” banner. Just throwing that out there. Also, it only makes sense that Navia reruns sooner since she is live right now with Yelan after her, AND this is only Navia’s 2nd banner, whereas Yelan is about to have her 3rd banner.
should i go for verdict/key or nilou? i already have navia and nahida but my navia has very limited teammates since bennett, yelan, and kazuha are all on my arlecchino's team (who is my only amazing/well built main dps). my navias stats also arent great so i was considering pulling on the weapon banner to help fix her build. for my nilou team i have a bunch of teammate options (barbara, nahida, kokomi, kirara, yaoyao, sigewinne, furina, xingqiu, etc) but my main concern is that i play on a potato laptop that kicks me out for the game anytime i try even swimming in fontaine so if theres so many blooms and bloom reactions, my laptop might explode D: i rolled on the weapon banner, i would prefer to get verdict, but if i got the key i could put it on kuki instead TLDR: already have nahida and navia not sure if i want to pull on the weapon banner/nilou nilou pros: lots of good teammate options wont interfere with my main team (arlecchino) nilou cons: might not be great on my laptop weapon banner pros: im okay with both of the weapons verdict helps my horrible navia build key can be put on my kuki build weapon banner cons: its the weapon banner i dont play hyperbloom/kuki all that much my navia doesnt have the best teammate options edit: forgot to mention that my main team (arlecchino) destroys any side of the abyss but especially bosses so i might need more of a team to deal with aoe ^^ any opinions are very much appreciated
@froggybean194 Tbh Nilou makes the most sense. The problem is that I understand that a laptop that can't keep up destroys gameplay and that's a huge factor. I would go for Nilou and maybe find a way to keep your laptop cool by lifting the base at an angle since the fans are usually under the keyboard
I don't know who I should get. I have built dendro and hydro units and key if khaj nisut on furina. I have a 5 star claymore, raiden, xiangling, bennet, mona, but I don't have any geo character built.
@user-vi9ox5ul7f Having a character with their weapon always feels the best for me. Biggest thing is if you have Nahida for Nilou. For Navia, all she needs is a low investment geo for either shields like Noelle or application like Albedo
@gachainteract I do have nahida but she's busy with other teams and if she isn't then furina is in another team, i think ill go with navia because i lack dps in general and i have alot of hydro 5stars anyway
This video feels very biased against Nilou lol. For the weapon banner section, Verdict isn't that great of a pull for Navia. It looks cool, but the difference between it and Serpent Spine is almost non-existent. As for Nilou, EM weapons perform pretty terribly. Not only that, but Key performs exceptionally well on a variety of characters (Furina, Kuki, Kirara). Key is absolutely the better weapon on this banner.
@@NeonAlphaa Sorry if it felt biased. Vixen has Navia and Verdict and Ryft has Nilou and uses Xiphos Moonlight. We do have a close friend who has Nilou and the Key though, and have done some testing through that medium. I (Ryft) love my Nilou very much and think she performs well enough without needing her personal weapon, but that’s probably because I use Nahida in that team. Nahida and Nilou together is just simply powerful as it is. With the talk of Nilou’s weapon ever since her release honestly, and with the release of other characters like Furina, I understand very much that the Key is a very valuable weapon. I apologize for the lack of value we may have given it, and I certainly don’t want anyone to think that we are biased against Nilou because, at least for me, she is quite powerful in her niche and, to this day, has one of the most uniquely powerful teams. Thanks for the comment, my friend! Hopefully that redeems Nilou’s value (and the Key too).
@@gachainteract Really appreciate this response man. Totally agree that Nilou is an incredible character regardless of her weapon choice. Xiphos is definitely the most useful aside from Key or Dockhands, and using an EM weapon is always better than dropping wishes on the weapon banner. Especially considering Nahida is always gonna be Nilou's best vertical investment 🤣
Nilou more like Albedo cheap scale but rapid reaction with side restrictive. Can Nilou exceed destroy Cryo shield in time challenges? Albedo most fragile skill construction broken and can't damage elemental shield mostly. Navia feels like game changing without exaggerated so called Meta like Kazuha Furina Nahida Yelan than Neuvilllite the must pull ease to play but interrupt potential enemy hit without his shield. How to speak the Anti Meta and enthusiasm?
I miss a geo dps, but I also lack good geo supports like chiori or albedo, I also really wanna try strong bloom team and I already have too many hypercarry teams so some people recommended to not go for navia And I have 2 verdicts and 1 key of khaj nisut (wanted mistspliter and jade cutter but got those), so I kindda need both of them, who should I prioritise?
Also I don't have nahida, I will definitely get her in the next rerun, but I also have almost all dendro 4 star supports and kokomi, honestly just need nahida for full nilou team
It depends on which playstyle you prefer, if you enjoy dendro-based teamcomps then Nilou would be an obvious choice, but if your going for more brute force attack i recommend Navia But pull for whoever you enjoy! Have fun!
You can run navia with just geo mc and it does the job fine. If you have units like nahida/yaoyao/baizhu and a good hydro applicator like kokomi then you should go for nilou. Both of their teams can bruteforce abyss but nilou teams are pretty weak against shields like cryo
@@Daaisies That’s fair. Yelan and Navia are both great pulls, but I think most people would agree that Yelan has more value. Navia hits hard though if you’re fine on supports and struggling for DPS units.
@@gachainteract The main reason why I was hesitant is because I just pulled Furina and I also have Xingqiu, but Furina and Xingqiu are needed on a lot of teams so another hydro support can’t hurt haha. Thanks for the advice !
I would swap Bennett and Zhongli in those teams. Yes, even if you lose Geo Resonance for Navia. The reason is because Neuvillette gets no help from Bennett whereas Navia will benefit greatly from Bennett. Zhongli is great for both Navia and Neuvillette, but because you should use Bennett in the Navia team, Zhongli is better placed with Neuvillette. Neuvillette likes Zhongli's shield since he doesn't want to get interrupted during his Charged Attack. Using only the characters you've mentioned, I would run your team line-ups something like this: Navia, Yelan, Bennett, Mona Neuvillette, Yae Miko, Sucrose, Zhongli If you have further questions, consider joining our Discord! We have plenty of well-versed players in there who are extremely nice and funny :D
As you may already know the kits, some people like a refresher before we just jump into the character. The timestamps on the video can put you in the actual spot you would like to be in. Sorry for the confusion
