Should you watch Madame Web? 

I really love anti-clickbait like this. Like the title has a clickbait question but the thumbnail immediately answers it.

It’s genuinely impressive how much this studio continues to mess things up

Damn! My boy Nando usually opens with a "It has some fun bits but overall it's not very good" And then spends 20 minutes breaking it down. For Madam Web just opens with "No don't see it"

The official name ought to be "Sony's Spiderless Universe".

I think my favorite thing about watching the movie were: 1. The Taylor Swift Eras Tour popcorn bucket 2. Adam Scott as Ben Parker

Cant believe Godzilla Minus One cost less than the 20% of the budget of this and still has everything (CGI/script/cinematography/acting) miles better than this

To be fair the original premise for this movie was actually really good Ezekiel goes back in time to kill young Peter parker in the womb because he wants to be the only spider person and madame web has to pull the girls out the multiverse to help now that sounds like a movie and unfortunately we'll never see it the studio really needs to stop interrupting

I trust Nando to not play into the “woman bad😾” movie criticisms

Again ive been saying this for years, Sony is at this point REFUSING to learn the lessons taught to them by Spider-Man 3 and TASM2. Disrupting your creatives filmmaking process for forced inclusions, trying to force a cinematic universe into existence without a linchpin character, and now trying to shoehorn in your crappy characters into ANOTHER universe with no regard for narrative and story arcs, just trying to force them because "comic book name". Theyre dilluting the pool of villains that Feige can use and thus hurting their own profits of the second spiderman trilogy in the process. Like do these suits lose their memory with every franchise reboot? Im desperate to understand.

I have not seen Madame Web, but I have heard it described as “Final Destination meets The Terminator” That was probably the pitch that got this made, and which is probably lying on an editing room floor somewhere.

Apparently it was originally supposed to be in the Andrew Garfield Spider-Verse, then they changed their minds at the last second to make it in the Tom Holland Spider-Verse, then they realised it's set in the '90s (or whenever it's set) and had to remove all references to any form of a current, adult Spider-Man.

Yeah seriously a black cat heist movie could’ve stood on its own. People love heist movies. You could’ve even had Black Cat team up with other Spidey villains to make the team, only for Cat to double cross them all at the end

Besides Silk, they should've absolutely built up to the Outlaws (but with Black Cat replacing Will O'the Wisp) if they were doing a universe without Spider-Man. A bunch of characters who turn their life as criminals around to help their community instead and then join forces. That's a bunch of diverse characters with a clear shared theme bringing them together. And through those movies you could also include a bunch of classic Spider-Man villains. Chameleon could show up in a Silver Sable spy thriller. While I don't think Puma and Kraven have traditionally faced each other both character' themes and goals seem tailor made to pit them against each other. And as much as people may joke, a Rocket Racer VS Big Wheel movie could go so hard. And it's not like nobody has heard of Black Cat or Sandman, and with Spiderverse Hobie Brown as the Prowler has now gotten double name recognition.

5:26 I have a grype against what I call trailer click bait, effectively where something is put in a trailer to trick people into thinking it’s in the film when actually, what you see in the trailer is the extent of it, either you have to not show it in the trailer, or you have to build on it in some way, other examples include the dead robin suit in BVS (a cool Easter egg spoiled in the trailer, tricking people into thinking they were setting up red hood) and dark ray (making people think that ray might turn to the darkside when that is about 30 seconds of the movie) the spider women costumes were definitely included last minute to trick people into thinking that they would be in the film

Huge whiffs of "if you don't use this property annually, the rights revert to someone else," and then you make the movie for as little money as you can because as long as you make *anything* the goal is accomplished.

I really like the title-thumbnail combination. Got a good chuckle out of me

At a certain point they should’ve just made a Sydney Sweeney Spider-Woman movie

This feels like when fox made the fantastic four movies to keep the rights

I thought venom and morbius were in the same universe cuz that one line where they say something along the lines of “we haven’t seen anything this crazy since that thing in San Francisco

The frantic energy in this, like you have to make the video but you feel in your bones that you absolutely MUST minimize the amount of your life that intersects with the movie.

If you do see Argylle, after the train scene go ahead and take a nap until Act 3B when the colors start. Act 2 is interesting but kind of a snoozefest and that leads into Act 3A. But the whole first like 45mins and last 30 mins are very entertaining

16:01 No, you're right about Argyll. Vaughn wanted to make that movie and those action scenes, so his team contracted a 'series' of spy books (only one actually) ghostwritten by an actual author (Tammy Cohen) and kept that under wraps so they could pretend after the fact that the mystery was similar to the film's setup.

If it genuinely piss off even NANDO then you know this movie has crossed the line 🤯🤯🤯

Whoever cut the Furiosa trailer should be in charge of all movie trailers going forward.

I guess it wasn’t Madam Webbin time

See I like that. You see a title, you see the thumbnail… title presents a question and the thumbnail just gives you a solid, no hold’s barred answer. That’s the kind of RU-vid we need in today’s day and age… … I mean I knew I wasn’t gonna see Madame Web anyways, but I appreciate stuff like this, thank you Nando.

The stolen cab...I love how they explicitly showed her taking the plates off the car. But the license numbers were still on the doors and on the roof marquis. And then she just drives it around with no plates...no problem, not suspicious at all. 🤣

I'd of liked a movie about a spider man villain coming back in time to kill Peter Parker before her was born, main character is uncle Ben and its how he learns about Peter parkers future and his responsibility hence why he instantly said his famous lines to Peter before he died because he knew he'd need to hear that to become spiderman

This movie has actors who perform scenes!

Apparently atleast pre strikes there’s a Silk live action show coming to Amazon from Lord and Miller

madame web review before fantastic 4 cast reaction 😭

Making this many spiderman universes without spiderman is criminal

Argyle was fun. Not a cinematic masterpiece but the hallway fight scene at the end I laughed all the way through and had a great time.

It says something that three days in, the Wikipedia page still doesn't have a plot synopsis written up. Apparently the script was wildly differently from the one handed to the actors when they signed on. One wonders if poor acting was lack of enthusiasm.

Tahar Rahim should fire his Hollywood agent.

Sony keeps reminding WHY I want them to lose the rights of spider man

There seems to be some Legal screwyness with spiderman and aunt may and uncle ben. The sony live actions films (expect when they did a mcu tie in with vulture) Can't mention anything from the mcu including peter parker, aunt may and spiderman himself while the mcu can't seem to mention Uncle ben or the newspaper daily bugle. Even when we did see Spiderman it was just known as "That guy" and the photo in Morbius was ps4 game version of Toby's suit.

I hope Loki sees this universe and the Morbius universe and says, "Maybe these can be pruned."

I heard the film described as a 2 hour post credits scene setting up a Spider Girls sequel.

After madame web successfully used her domain expansion (webbing time) Morbius smirks and asked madame web "are you madame web because you're madame web or are you madame web because you're madame web" Madame web replied with "when it comes to morbing and webbing, my abilities are truly uncontested which led me to leave an overwhelming intensity behind your back, therefore with this treasure I summon always bet on madame web" Morbius laughs and said "Nah I'd win"

Ok from your description only because I HAVE NOT seen the movie, It would have been so easy to say something like "I don't want any other kid to grow up without a mother" to explain/give the character a motivation

Maybe someone can show me differently, but that time period just doesn't really pop when it comes to fashion. I remember watching Ladybird, which is set in 2002/03 and thinking the same thing.

What annoys me, is that the actors in the film now won’t do mcu stuff probably, and some of them could’ve been great in different roles. Specifically isabel merced and Celeste o Connor could’ve been different mutants, and Adam Scott and Dakota Johnson would be good as 2-3 characters of the top of my head

“I’m so excited to see Madame Web” *SAID NO ONE EVER*

The very ending of this video hit too hard. It's a long weekend for me, so I was considering making a trip to a theatre (it's a 2-3 hr drive one way) but then I looked at what is playing in the nearest theatre and...no, there's nothing I really want to see. Argylle seemed fun and if I was making that trip anyway, then I might've watched it, but it's not enough to bring me there, nor is The Beekeeper. The rest of this video doesn't surprise me, sadly. It's really what I'd expected from the first trailer, maybe even before that.

Shout-out to the Spummiverse!!

I did find it funny that she hit the bad guy with a car twice and he was killed by a product placement

“so if you’re gonna go to the movies you should watch … wow .. none of these are good .. uhh.. there’s plenty of good movies to watch at home “ 😂😂😂

19:04 Oh, I remember this! It was such a fun story. Honestly a live-action comedy of it could work really well.

Can’t wait to hear you talk about the fantastic four casting

All sony has to do is make a spiderman movie with andrew garfield and theyd make money. The goodwill they had from the no way home stuff was so high and yet they fumbled it.

What kills me is that Nando has been talking about the F4ncasting for ages, what feels like at least a year now. Desperately hoping that after so many rumors and leaks, they’ll finally release an official cast. He mentions it in so many videos that are unrelated. But the day Marvel finally breaks the news, he went “No. There’s something more important the people need to know first. I need to warn them…about the Web.” That’s how bad it is.

I'm 90% Venom 2 ends with the characters on a beach admitting their love to each other. 100/10 romcom film, idk why everyone's talking about it was a superhero movie.

love both this video and chris stuckman's take on it. more and more we are in a bizzare nothing-verse multiverse. it's hard to say anything really anyways, so excited for the pod!

madame web somehow only had one single trailer😭

Nobody is talking about how they changed Julia Carpenter's name to Julia Cornwall. CORNWALL. WHY?

I think these SPUMM films dilute the Marvel IP in the minds of cinema goers who aren't plugged into the whole Sony, Spider-Man, Marvel situation. Remember always that comic book movies in the modern era are not chasing the die hard fan, the studios see them as their broadest reaching IP's. They're trying to get normies in seats and Sony clearly thinks attaching the Marvel brand to all this stuff will do so. Marvel itself is already haemorrhaging eyeballs because people do want something else after Endgame, yes the very spotty quality of their films since haven't helped but people overall do want other stuff. I think most of the Sony films are made purely to keep the rights from lapsing on the Spider-Man rights, that's not an inspired place to tell a story from. That's why these films feel like business decisions first and films second. I don't necessarily believe superhero fatigue is the thing killing this stuff as much as it is IP fatigue, since the LOTR trilogy Hollywood decided brands and recognisable IP is the future and I think even general audiences have had the well run dry on how far nostalgia and recognition is going to go. That and the sheer density of content to pick through these days, people have less money than ever and they can't go to the cinema constantly or subscribe to every streaming service. All trends have diminishing returns, the interconnected universe has probably had it's day, I'll wait for James Gunn's DCU and the reaction to it before I 100% believe that, provided David Zaslav doesn't delete the movie before it comes out for a tax write off. Basically all the problems these movies are having comes from rampant unfettered capitalism and studio execs expecting every film to make all the money ever. Isn't it wild that the reason our movies are shit is the same reason the world is a broken mess.. Honestly I hope Kraven is bad and Deadpool is bad, I kinda hope Superman is bad even though I want to see just one good modern Superman movie. All movies should flop and the execs should be made to understand it's their fault, the fish rots from the head always.

Appreciate you giving away the video title's conclusion in the thumbnail, made me watch the whole thing.

I remember hearing once they were planning on doing a Black Cat and Silver Sable movie called "Black & White", but they canceled it.

If you were in the movies go see Lisa Frankenstein that was fun

What I was/am hoping for with the "Spiderverse" series: Turns out that Olivia "Doc-Ock" survived the fight at the end "Into the Spider-Verse" but disappeared from Earth-1610. And during "Beyond the Spider-Verse" she is revealed to have become Madame Web.

It’s a very bad movie but it has some parts that aren’t so bad. I also liked some of the action shots. I liked the first version she gets that foreshadows the end. I like that she used her powers in creative ways (exactly 2 times), I like the scene the girls learn CPR because it shows Webb being a maternal figure and using her skills proactively. I liked Adam Scott and I honestly kinda liked Webb despite Dakota Johnson kind of phoning it in but she was awkward in a relatable way and kind of charming at times

Sony stays committed to making the worst business decisions possible and I respect that

I'm going to venture a guess and say that we're never gonna see these actors play these characters again. I remember seeing that Dakota Johnson and Sydney Sweeney both implied that they thought they were in the MCU and didn't know that there was a Sony Marvel. Dakota fired her agents the day the trailer dropped and her interviews showed that she knew this movie was not going to be good.

It’s somehow even worse than Morbius that said I did enjoy watching it because the dialogue was some of the worst dialogue I’ve ever seen, it’s like they wrote a first draft and went straight to filming, it totally lives up to the reputation of these Sony movies

Im excited for isabela merced too see her play hawk girl than watch her in Madame web

The Nicholas cage movie "Next" does multiple future options the best way it can be done, I find.

Remember how "The Electric Company" had Spider Man skits? If Sony has to use Spider Man every year to keep the rights, could they license the character to some other show?

I didn't even realize this was out. I thought i just saw a teazer trailer last month with no release date.

The first 20 minutes of the movie established to me that Spider-Man lotus takes itself more seriously than this does

There was that trailer where they implied that Harry (James Franco) finds out Spider-Man is Peter.

Would love a Ghost-Spider movie with a return from Emma Stone… opening scene is a reverse of the end of TASM2 where Spider-Gwen fails to save Peter Parker as he falls down the clock tower… she then takes the mantle of Ghost-Spider (like Garfield’s implied storyline from No Way Home, a more vengeful Spider-Person)… has an on/off romance with Donald Glovers prowler akin to Spiderman and Black Cat. Make her the Spider-person of the SPUMC! Can tie it in with all the others if you want to try and salvage it 😂

If the whole gimmick is Web sees the future and she's an EMT, the character should be risk averse. Early movie, she helps people, she learned medical stuff from textbooks after her mom died, she's really into medicine, she's the EMT who stays in the ambulance because she doesn't want to take risks. People are like "But why? You have to be the only EMT who doesn't get front and center with an emergency." She steps out of her comfort zone *once* and she gets the visions. She knows the future, risks are less risky. Soon she is so confident things are changing... Boom! Character growth! Investment in a relatable trait! The other two? They're just caught up in her...web. yeah.

The only thing I will give this film ptops for is how Sims has a real suit

But Nando, Madame Web is a 'suspence thriller'. The press material said so, and why would it lie? So how could this movie possibly contribute to superhero fatigue when it isn't a superhero movie? Seriously though, great video as always. Your measured and intelligent take on Madame Web is a nice outliar in the hyperbolistic clickbait nature of many movie reviews, especially those covering Sonys Spider-Man movies. Looking forward to the Mostly Nitpicking podcast on this movie. Keep up the good work.

the first red flag was the lack of merchandise even venom and venom 2 have action figures. but none for morbius first sign it was a fancy way to burn cash. and this is another one with no merch. tbvh I'd want a Sydney Sweeney spiderwoman figure it would look good on a shelf

5:43 Mattie Franklin is the one that gained her powers in a meeting of 5 people (Norman Osborn and Madam Web included). Iirc this meeting had some supernatural element that dictated 3 people would receive gifts and 2 people would be cursed randomly with death or madness. She’s also the Spider-Woman who fell in love with Peter Parker in that one issue.

I had a great time with Argylle! I think with each twist it felt a bit less (I liked the starting premise), but it was fun to watch.

I love how they let the people who wrote Morbius make another movie. WTF were they thinking?

The ending of this video is golden😂😂 said go see..... Well shit all these suck, just stay home watch something you haven't 😂

I've heard some people talking about how this movie is boring and doesn't have any "so bad it's good" qualities like something like Morbius. And yet, I had a fucking BLAST. I found so many parts of this movie so off the wall fucking bonkers that it was a riot. This, to me, was so horrific that it was hysterical

Thanks for letting us know up front, lol.

It is Morbin' Time once again.

A big missed opportunity to not have Dakota Johnson play Spider-Woman and fight Man-Spider in her solo movie. Who is approving of these movie’s nowadays?!?! And speaking of Spider-Woman movies, there was one in development with Olivia Wilde attached to direct and Idk any more info or updates on it, but how come that movie didn’t get made, but Madame Web did?! (Btw, I still haven’t seen the movie yet). And speaking of Silk, there is a Silk series in development for Prime Video, but I can’t remember now if it’s gonna be live-action or animated.

Just like I always say, the best movies are the ones that get made so you can keep the IP. The Venom movies might've been an earnest attempt at film, but there's no other explanation for this.

He can be honest about this movie. Disney is not attached. Who knew making a Spider-Man movie without Spider-Man would be boring... everybody.

I don't know why they decided to make an origin movie for Madame Web instead of just making a movie about 3 Spider-Women teaming up to take down a bad guy, have Madame Web assemble cause she's determined that their abilities will make them the best people for the job.

Madam web is a doctor strange type character. What I mean is, she is a character that is designed to give the hero the call to adventure. Not a good character type to make a movie from.

9:27 I heard somewhere that the movie was set in 2003 so they could use Toxic

I assume no one mentions to the villain that maybe trying to kill them in the present is why they kill him in the future ?!?!

I've never really understood what the issue is with a trailer "spoiling" the movie. I mean, I get hiding some twists or big reveals like the other Spider-Men, but hiding that feels like a gimmick. Unless a movie is explicitly a mystery with the challenge of figuring it out, why's it matter? I often read summaries of a movie before watching it.

Totally agree with you about the makers of the movie not showing us why we should care about Webb early on in the movie.... for the first 20 minutes she's kinda "doin stuff" but nothing really giving us an idea about what she's actually like and what she likes about her life. The movie just lost me for the first 20 or 30 minutes but then brought me back in when they started introducing the other girls, etc and people started interacting properly. The main villain bored me to absolute tears, though..... he was just super annoying and definitely didn't care about his motivations at all. He was just dud from start to finish. But that being said I still didn't mind the movie - it was kinda fun and had some good stuff in it.

When i went and saw The Marvels opening night, the theater was full. It bombed but the first night it was full. Madame Web the theater was half full 😂😂

Thank you for producing joy from this void of sorrow.

Only two reasons I can think of why they keep doing this…someone at Sony wants their Sinister Six film…badly. Also, they need to keep doing Spidey-universe films so they don’t lose the rights to the IP.

Don’t say Spunk man, don’t know if it means the same thing in America that it does in the UK 😂

Dude...I watched this awful "review" about ECHO yesterday that was SOOOO racist, fat shaming and sexist that I was SOOO GLAD you popped up in my recommended page again. God, what a breath of fresh air you provide to the marvel fanbase eviewer community. Thank you so much for actually making reviews based on your honest opinions, being objective and making content out of the love and admiration you have for the source material and overall franchise. Keep doing your thing man, genuine fan here.

People keep wondering why Sony makes these weird unrelated off-shoots instead of actual spider-people movies, but I actually think its because of some clause in their contract with Marvel. Studio execs are incredibly stupid, don't get me wrong, but I think even *Sony* studio execs wouldn't make a "Madame Web" movie before they made an honest-to-god (generic as it may have been) "Spider-Woman" movie. I just think whatever they signed with Marvel prohibits them from making a movie where the main character has spider-powers (or something like that). That is what this feels like -a studio dancing around a contract clause.

This video does look like something, it looks like a boardroom had they’re hands all over this film

Sony is the Pepsi of genre filmmaking. "Yes, I'd like to order an Iron Man, please." "Oh, I'm sorry, all we have is Kraven the Hunter or Morbius." "Well, then I'll take an Ant-Man." "No. We only serve Sony products. I can get you a Madame Webb?" "No thanks. I'll just take a water."