SHOWDOWN: 2023 Supra Manual vs 2023 Civic Type R 

11:05 wait isn't honda fl5 sound fake via Honda Active Sound Control (tm)? What unique sound is he talking about??

I like the two cars but I prefer you both in the vehicle at the same time.

I like the format. Good to use for some comparisons.

This was awesome. I miss the banter but overall super informative and entertaining stuff.

Love the format. Please please do this

Ace!

I miss some of the unrehearsed chemistry you guys have in things like Two Takes. I’m skeptical about the CTR due to its limited production and not enamored with it as an affordable pick.

I like comparisons but the music is distracting to me. I also skipped the podcast section because I didn’t want to hear it again or skip it when I get to the podcast

I like this quite a bit. Excited to see it continue

I’d prefer you add background music to the studio part of the video, and have the car be the music during the driving commentary..

Awesome!

I agree

Comparisons are awesome you could even add in some new affordable enthusiast cars that have been modified like ECU tunes etc or with simple affordable bolt ons... Could approach the suppliers of these add-ons and then find people with the vehicles to addon too: make the content around it. I bet you would have insane views on stuff like that👌

Really enjoyed this format, hope they can do something like this with the new Emira and the C8 Stingray or maybe 911 Carrera

felt like /tuned again.

The music is not bad, but it could use better editing. Don't put music in sections where you're actually discussing the car (vs. making Clarkson-eque exclamations of vehicular-induced excitement), and don't put it into a beat where it's only playing for 5 seconds. Other than that, I think the music does add some flavor and feel to exterior shots.

Yeah, music felt very early 2000s action flick

Agreed re: hearing more of the car's operation.

Exactly.

Not even. They MSRP close to the average new vehicle price but that's only because that includes mostly SUVs and trucks

@@nah3193 So you aren't comparing apples to apples then?

That Type R was at Least $70k, the Supra $70k

that ls7 sounds so good

@@thehumanoid6543 💯Mine is ridiculous with 2" SW headers X Pipe and Borla Atak exhaust!

Some people struggling to have one car lol blessed dude. Enjoy the c6, amazing cars

@@shad3128 I'm very thankful for everything I've worked for and proud to owe nothing on them at 32. Many blessings your way! The C6 has been great so far, my Evo is still king of the garage though haha

Civic Si, GR86, Veloster N?

you can get the Supra MT if you're diligent. Have a buddy that walked into a dealer here and bought one a couple weeks later for right around msrp. That said, Type R is a different story, as-is the GR Corolla.

I’d never buy a Porsche unless you can afford to maintain one. Paying 5-8k over MSRP for the FL5 (dealers are selling them at this price you just need to find them) is the better option. It’s cheaper to maintain, track, and still holds its value when you go to resell it.

WRX stick shift, light as the type R, handles, drives and practicality on par or very close to the R. Easy tune leaves the R in the dust. AWD an icing on the cake.

@@marcinfil3673 from a value perspective the WRX is awesome. Right out of the box with no mods, I’d rather spend the money on an older FK8. AWD is nice if you live up north, otherwise it’s just added weight and loss of power to the drivetrain.

The b58 has a great torque curve 🔥🔥

Saw stock 2021 Dyno 410wtq

Think it's "just" a special video. There were others in the past.

Sadly that’s the world we live in now

Haha. True. Fuckin ridiculous

Brok boys or? If you make over 150 yearly it is affordable easily

⁠@@quentonmillstid850 so people making less than $150k are “brok boys”? You say that like it’s a totally normal average salary 😂

Supra needs a couple of little seats in the back for kids

Relatively I guess. It is a Civic

Anything 100k is affordable these days lol

It's all relative

They go over relative affordability in the first minute of the video

anything 100k is affordable. broke 20year old mentality for used $5k 240s and e36s isn't realistic anymore. A loaded new camry is like 30-40k MSRP now, you think performance vehicles will be 20k new? fucking trolling. expect 40-80k for anything decent nowadays unless u buying used dogshit

Best looking civic ever

I own a 2018 SS 1LE manual and it is absolutely amazeballs. Randy Pobst and the Throttle House boys love it as well.

Exactly!

The hosts are self righteous pricks. Get rid of them and this program will get 100% better.

"Performance" 😂

@@kobedabest Chris Harris has driven every car that exists and in 24 hours le mans and he says it’s one of the greatest cars he’s ever driven.

If it has a different turbo, pistons, crankshafts, etc it's not really the same motor. If they're built on the same block but the internals are different then they have to be differentiated.

@@deathcab4bootythe Acura Integra Type S will have the Type R motor

but it's not in the Accord and Acura SUVs in the Type R configuration like Brandon suggested, which was my point

@@deathcab4booty got u

I don't care that the Honda "won", but just because the Supra has a BMW engine that isn't unique to just the Supra is ridiculous. Everyone seems to agree that it has a great engine. Isn't that all that really counts?

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucksdo you really want a 1,000 Supra for the street? That’s going to be undrivable in normal situations. If you are talking about a Mojave Mile car I get it, but I have no need for that much power in a Supra.

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks true, but I blew a head gasket in my stock 4th gen Supra TT back in the 1990s, so anything can happen. 😜

That’s the Civic on R compound tires. Put R-compound tires on the Supra and it will drop 2-3 seconds per lap. Or just buy a Camaro SS 1LE that easily beats both of these cars by a significant margin for $45K.

@@GrimSRT8 Cup 2s are definitely not R comps, but I see your point nonetheless.

@@GrimSRT8 Also, an SS 1LE is really only a rival on the race track, which most people really just aren't going to. Plus, if we're talking tires, the 1LE comes on very sticky 220TW Supercar 3s. In the real world, the Supra is just as fast light to light, weighs a lot less, and gets way better fuel economy. Plus, it'll be right up there on the same tire for lap times. The back seat brings it back to the Camaro a little bit, but you just can't see out of the damn things, and it's 8" longer than the Supra.

@@noobasdfjkl a road course represents all street performance: handling, acceleration, braking, transitioning, etc. There is no better representation of performance than lap times, and the Camaro SS 1LE solidly beats the Supra 3.0 on the track. Go look at the gap on Lightning Lap, and they never tested the updated 2019+ SS 1LE with the A10 that would post even faster times. GM says the 2019+ SS 1LE would drop 3 seconds from the lap. Some comments from MotorTrend on the SS 1LE after it was lapped on Willow Springs, “The list of cars the Camaro went faster than should embarrass some OEMs: Porsche Cayman GT4, 2014 Audi R8 V10 Plus, Ferrari 458 Italia. I mean, come on! To put it bluntly, the Camaro is in another league, with legitimate supercars.” and went on to say, “Chevy has done the near impossible, transcended the genre, and turned a once provincial pony car into an honest to goodness world-class sports car. This $46,000 miracle punches so far above its weight that I'm in danger of saying weird things that could easily be taken out of context. Such as, if I were an engineer at BMW or even Porsche, I'd be clearing off my drawing boards.” In an article where MotorTrend was comparing the Supra 3.0 to the Nissan Z, they took time to tell the readers to go buy the Camaro SS 1LE, not either of the cars in the test! They make the point that the Camaro drives much better than the Supra or Z, while being less expensive and faster. As for tires, the Supra and SS 1LE use similar types of tires- Ultra High Performance Summer tires, Michelin for the Supra and Goodyears for the 1LE. When I get new tires on my 1LE, I’ll likely be getting Michelin PS4S. If you think visibility is better in the Supra than the Camaro, I’d be shocked. Plus the Camaro has a camera mirror you can get that gets rid of all blind spots. I’m not sure if the Supra does as well, but I’ve driven sports cars for 30+ years and visibility in the Camaro is not significantly worse than other sports cars. It’s no worse than my Corvette. Maybe it’s different for me as I’m tall. On top of all of this, the Camaro is *considerably* less money than the Supra. So, you you may get slightly better fuel economy in the Supra, but the $10K price difference pays for a ton of gas! The SS 1LE will also cost less to insure and cost less to maintain. So what advantage does the Supra have? The Camaro performs better, drives better (according to the professionals), and costs significantly less. And this is coming from a guy who has owned 3 Supra Turbos in his life, and never a single Camaro until now. If the Supra was a better car, I would have bought it.

I think what it really comes down to is what people like beginning with the styling, then moving into the features and mechanics, then further into the track details. In my opinion, the CTR is better than both the Camaro and Supra, simply because it's a do-it-all vehicle with four doors and does pretty damn well at everything. However, I can appreciate both the Camaro and Supra for what they are - both amazing vehicles. Enjoy your Camaro to the fullest, brother!

Is that purchased new vehicles? Or based on 80 mo leases people take out as they dig themselves into debt? I wonder what median vehicle price is 🤔

@@FATmenDRIVEtrucks you plan hitting ctrl-c ctrl-v for every comment that talks about the prices?

@@papa_pt that’s skewed higher due to the lack of supply in the used car market. Anyone that takes out a loan longer than the warranty is a fool. And even then buying a new car is dumb in most cases because of how much and how quick they depreciate.

I’d chose the supra over a camaro 7 days a week .

Compared to what?

In their category