Maddie's career is so far from over. People aren't stupid. It is clear to all of us with common sense that Maddie was just the actor, and as an actor her job was to act the way the director (Sia) told her to. It reflects on Sia's bad judgment, not on Maddie's.
@Thenoobestgirl Poor Maddie she's never really had her own feelings validated - her instinct kicked in when she cried thinking her movements etc didn't feel right to her. Children are all about sensing things and she was so right, yeah I agree I think she'll be okay, though she still has Sia & the mom in her life.. Ugh
Unfortunately not everyone is so rational and willing to look into issues before reaching conclusions. But yea, I hope you are right. I feel so bad for the girl. She's had nothing but terrible role models all the way through, and she still seems like a genuinely caring girl.
Sis is an amazing person, artist, and woman! Sis has done a lot of really amazing things for the less fortunate and I don’t believe she was being manipulative o meant ANY harm. You can literally force an agenda to make ANYONE look like a terrible person! I believe that is what this video has done
The only people who would even think to blame Maddie are probably children themselves. But every adult knows that when you are 14, there are adults whose vision you fully trust because they are the ones with experience in the field. Fellow 14 year olds don’t realise the difference in power, so they think Maddie is at fault. Adults know who pulled the strings.
Yeah, I hardly even hear Maddie's name brought up when people talk about the movie. Everyone just talks about Sia. When I think of that movie, I think Sia.
Exactly! I'm autistic too and I totally understand that she was pressured into the role, which she only got because of blatant cronyism on Sia's part, and it was very clear that she was uncomfortable with the role and hated it. Sia was the one who directed the movie and pushed her into the role.
its just so weird how sia basically turned maddie into her own synthetic daughter, like its almost as if she's a doll and a possession that only sia can have
If you knew Sia's ideological leanings in terms of 12 step, you'd understand why she percieves her world through a multitude of cognitively distorted lenses. I mean, that ish will fk you up...unless it doesn't, which means you were already a lost cause before you even "arrived."
@@avamasqueradethat's fascinating, say more. I assume by 12 steps you're referring to AA? I don't know a lot about AA, just what you see in movies and TV. Im interested in this take.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 God, give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other.
Hold up. She hangs out at Sia's house and they "cuddle" and "are like sisters"? Didn't Michael Jackson do the same sort of things and everyone was upset about it?
@@Grant7578 why is it "not as weird"? If a woman is doing the same thing a man did, it is just as weird and just as wrong. The gender doesn't matter. Wrong is wrong. Being a woman doesn't excuse crap behavior.
I know this is old but No micheal Jackson didn’t do that at all, it was confirmed by investigators years later and the kids themselves that they were asked to lie by their parents for money and such and the investigations were done for over five years and they didn’t find anything, meanwhile there’s actual pedos in Hollywood, just thought I’d let you know that it’s false
I fact that sia saw fame as a prison but made a child visually take her place is such a huge red flag. She had no problem putting a literal children through the hell she couldn’t even handle herself. Just despicable
Lol it's not like Maddie was suddenly thrust into fame because of Sia. Maddie's face was already out there. She'd been on Dance Moms for years, so clearly she had no problem being in the spotlight.
Well, from that point of view the responsability is from the parents, the girl was exposed since se was very young ..she wanted to continiou the a carreer, she is persuing That.
Personally, I find the Elastic Heart video to be a wonderful piece of performative art. Like it really was powerful. The part I find disturbing was Sia using Maddie as her public stand in at events and shows. That level of codependency on a kid and placing pressure on her instead of yourself is kinda wrong.
I agree about "Elastic Heart." I thought it was supposed to be representative of a daughter (mentally) wrestling with their feelings toward/relationship with, and eventual escape from, an abusive father. I thought the silly faces Shia was pulling and "play" at the start of the video was specifically part of establishing that he was supposed to be Dad, and Maddie was depicting how hard it can be to disconnect from that relationship and the reactions children receive when they try. (Even the title -- "Elastic Heart" -- seemed an obvious fit, to me.) I remember finishing the video and feeling really impressed with the way everything was clearly choreographed to make sure that all of their partner work wasn't even unintentionally inappropriate (e.g. he lifts her up by the waist and spins her around at one point, and the shot is exclusively framed to show his head only ever level with her midsection _and_ that he is holding her several inches away). I had also interpreted there to be allusions to Dad being physically inappropriate (for example, when Dad is hanging at the top of the cage until Daughter 'falls asleep,' then he drops down and lies beside her, reaches out to tap her chin, and she 'wakes' and bolts away), but even _that_ was staged so that he hardly crouched at all when catching himself from the drop -- keeping him well above Maddie -- and laid facing her in a mirrored fetal position with at least a foot of distance between them. Needless to say, I was pretty surprised by the backlash, because it seemed so clear to me that they'd gone out of their way to be appropriate in the depiction, and specifically protective of Maddie in the choreography. And yes, the worst part about Sia's relationship with Maddie is that Sia only needed to hire a proxy for _Chandelier_ in the first place because fame and spotlight had made her suicidal, so... she chose a _child_ to channel that onto?
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 I agree with your points about it being a beautiful video and for me the choreography was absolutely spellbinding. The skin tight/revealing flesh colored costumes were what gave me the ick as it felt like they were aiming to imply nudity. I don't think that added to the video in an artistic sense and I'm sure whatever emotion it was supposed to invoke could have been represented in a more appropriate way that wouldn't tantalize/normalize for some twisted people so much skin to skin contact between a child and a grown man. If anything it distracted me from the choreography on the first watch because the whole time I was on edge wondering how far they would go with it
@@Steph-zo5zk It's definitely possible I'm biased from years of ballet (and other dance, but ballet primarily). Nude dancewear is often used when a piece is supposed to be more metaphorical, so nothing about the clothing improperly affects the audience's interpretation or distracts from the performance, but I understand how it could come across differently. And, believe it or not, Shia's costume was one of the "green flags" about the video for me, because it's very modest, in comparison to other male dancewear. They would've had to go out of their way to design or select something that didn't highlight the crotch (a sign they cared about making sure that didn't happen), _and_ he's probably wearing a compression-type something underneath. (But I do appreciate that I only noticed that because it was different from what I was used to seeing as a student and in performance.)
Everyone was living through her. From Sia, all the way to her mother. She kinda had the life they all probably wanted for themselves, a pretty face, very talented and acclaimed by everyone. The question is: is this what MADDIE wanted? It was always about everyone else BUT her, Abby was living throigh her, Melissa was living through her and then Sia. She had a very weird relationship with every adult she had in her life and this was probably because nobody was ever there to actually protect her as a child. Not only that but it's weird how Sia never wanted fame because she found it oppressing or whatever but she put a 12 year old in such danger.
The fact Sia says “I just keep writing projects for her so that I can keep her safe” when she’s not kept her safe at all, she’s exploited her and made her play controversial roles that she herself wasn’t comfortable with, opening her up to all kinds of criticism. Sia herself has said she’s found fame difficult and terrifying yet has put Maddie in these difficult situations.
Idk what video you watched.....but Sia did not exploit Maddy...... she protected her..... if anybody exploited Maddie and manipulated her and put her in bad situations it was her own mother I'm not Sia get a clue!
@@tracyclark978tell me you can't see mental abuse by a famous person without telling me...... yes sir did put an 11 year old in bad situations. She didn't protect her, she put her in the limelight that in turn could have turned Maddie to drugs and other things, thank God Maddie has a brain and sees it now
@Mikeyvn just like pdiddy did with usher and Bieber and countless others, right????? If you don't see someone in their 20s and 30s taking on an 11,12,13,14 yr old as a friend and confident as wrong YOU'RE DELULU.
it's actually baffling how people could SEE the years of psychological abuse that Maddie endured on dance moms, SEE the clearly weird relationship the adults around her built for her and STILL have the AUDACITY to blame her. I hope she can heal and find her place in this world❤
Maddie had thick skin and a very mature personality. She knew she wasn't a victim. She had her eye on the bigger prize, so did her mom. And it was very successful. She's nobody's victim. She's a volunteer!! She's wanted to perform professionally and enduring Abby's rough handling got her there. Today she's a very successful dancer, actress and celebrity. She owes alot of that to Abby. Maddie is a great example of how to get your child noticed IN A HEALTHY WAY!
why do you assume everyone knows the entire biography of maddie. I didn’t know anything about maddie when that movie came out so yeah it was kind of weird. With context; it’s understandable. Not all of us are obsessed with the lives of random celebrities tho
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If you would consider it creepy, abusive, or inappropriate behavior if a man did it, then you should consider it the exact same way when women do it. Women are not inherently safe, women are not immune from being predators, and you should not let them get away with things you wouldn't let a man get away with.
Absolutely. This is why I protect my baby brothers just as much as my sisters. People can be predators, or preyed on just as much regardless of gender!
The thing is that it just wasn’t any man, it was Shia LaBeouf who’s a known abuser and at the time there were many rumors that he had problematic behaviors which turns out were true. You’re right to say that women can also be dangerous… which is proven by this very video on Sia’s predatory behavior with Maddie, but one thing doesn’t erase the other.
@@Havanah-ov4yt Definitely little boys need to be protected from predators too. Women can absolutely be predators but males do commit the majority of such crimes, which is probably why people are more wary around them. In some cases, women also help males commit such crimes or turn a blind eye to ongoing abuse. And ofc in some cases, they act alone as well.
I only have one comment about the Elastic Heart video: a lot of people want to portray it as a pedophilic or creepy, as if Shia and Maddie are supposed to be portraying some kind of romance. But the song is actually about Sia and her troubled relationship with her alcoholic father. Shia is supposed to be representing her father and Maddie is her - the "strong wolf". The dance represents the complicated, sad relationship Sia has with her dad - how she tried to help him and he stayed behind. When I watched the video, that fight was what I saw. I'm sad so many people think it was pedophilia :/
This is not Maddie‘s fault, but I think that Sia DIDN’T understand the assignment! I think it’s absolutely disgusting that people are putting all the blame on a child that was hired to play a role.
I get the strong impression tat Sia sees Maddie as the girl she always wanted to be. It's a serious psychological issue that needs to be dealt with. It is NOT merely 'eccentricity'.
Isn't it Pedophilia to enjoy having little kids, that are not your own children, to "cuddle"? Personally I wouldn't "cuddle" with my own child, and I'm very focused on giving my own child a lot of love, hugs, kisses on the cheeks and building him up with positive words. I love to see him happy. But if some random pop star ten times his age had done something like that, I would be in danger of losing all rational control. So yes, MJ syndrome. Seems like some person just "rent out" their children, if they get enough money for it. Very sad, but I think also true.
@@elvenkind6072 People like you are a real problem. Seeing bad things and fires when there is not even a little smoke. People like you ruin other's people lives for shit... Cringe...
@@elvenkind6072 You wouldn't cuddle your own kid, that's fucked up, what is wrong with you people, why are you sexualizing kids every chance you get, it's really bizarre, obviously you wouldn't go up to a stranger, kid or otherwise and give them a hug you nutter, but if it's a mates kid or niece/nephew/ godchild etcetera, why wouldn't you give them a hug if you are close to them, what is wrong with you people.
my thoughts exactly. i guess sia thought it was okay since maddie was already famous but she was only a little girl, if sia as a fully grown woman couldn’t handle the fame how did she think a child would? she knew that maddie would be plummeted into super stardom after collaborating with her, she just didn’t seem to care about how it would affect her ig
Fr, " fame is life ruining, so I'ma protect myself from it by overworking an 11 year old and she can take on the fame" and then she acts like she did maddie a favor. It doesn't add up. Maddie deserved better, glad she's an adult and hopefully more independent.
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I'm so sad.. the elastic heart video meant so much to me. Both my father and I struggled with addiction, depression, ptsd and terrible anxiety. I moved beyond where he was able to, and it felt like I had to leave him behind. He passed a few years back and the entire video, to me, was the perfect representation of how I hurt him so terribly when I was younger and didn't know how to cope with my pain, then ended up in so much pain because I tried so hard to get him to come out of it with me but he just...couldn't. I'll never understand why someone watches that and see something sexual. It was pain. So much pain between 2 connected people, one an adult, one a child (or inner child). There are so many ways to interpret it but there is only the common element of shared pain and a shared desire to leave it behind that cannot be misinterpreted. It will always be special to me.
What I found so sad as a mother, was Maddie's Mom saying as long as you're (her daughter) being talked about, that's all that matters. WTF All that Maddie's mom cares about is her daughters fame. She's disgusting!
I'd say all that matters to me was her feelings.. if she didn't want to do anything I'd totally support her. She woukd come first, every time. Fuck game..a life is mire important than all the fame in the world
Exactly. That explains why her mom never stopped Sia from using and grooming her daughter. Both her mom and Sia want her to be what they wanted to be. Living through her as if she doesn't have her own dreams.
This stood out to me too. Sounds like something Britney spears mom would say, and sadly we all saw how THAT all turned out. Very disturbing fame and money hungry mother indeed who doesn't deserve such a seemingly wonderful child as Maddie at all
As an autistic person, I really don’t fault Maddie at all. She was so manipulated and groomed by multiple trusted adults. I hope that she is able to unpack how she was treated growing up and is able to become her own happy and healthy person
Yeah, she just needs to get away from Sia. She was in the Fallout with Jenna Ortega, which I haven’t seen but have heard was a great film. She also had a small role in the remake of West Side Story by Steven Spielberg as one of the Jet girls and she was great!
As an autistic person I have to say I do not place any blame or any hate towards Maddie but instead Sia, a child should never be put in this situation and I hope her all the love in the light in the world.
I'm diagnosed autistic. Personally, I do not think that you are obligated to cast an autistic actor to play an autistic character. Actors are for acting. No one is offended that alcoholics or people with depression are not played by actors who are clinically depressed. Autistic actors play neuro-typical people all the time. Saying that autistic characters should be played only by autistic people is the same as saying that neuro-typical characters should be played only by neuro-typical actors. And that's a dangerous rhetoric. What they should do is to have a director who know what he's directing and what he\she is looking for so they can film it properly and guide the actor. The script was atrocious, the visuals, the face expressions... they should've done better research, probably consult therapists who work with autistic kids and at least talk to autistic people... So yeah, I was insulted by that movie.
I argee with you. Actors, actress role is to act out the role they're given and do the best they can with that script n role. they should've done a better research and work
Welp some things cannot be acted by other people then themselves. say like black people. It would be black face like old times if they didn't cast a black person for a black character. Also if you made an active depressed person to act on a character that is in their way to unalive that would be detrimental to their mental health. The same goes for addicts in all kinds of ways. Not everyone can handle acting through it without going into addiction again or having worse mental health. All humans are different. Some can handle it but I wouldn't take any chances 😅 Anyway I mostly agree with you! 👍🏻
I can only partly agree, neurotypicals can play good representation but only if they don’t know it. There’s so many characters that are accidentally good representation even if they’re not explicitly autistic so you don’t have to be autistic to create a relatable character that the autistic community accepts as autistic. But if you’re intending to make an autistic character there is just no way for a neurotypical to do it correctly, it always ends up being stereotypical and harmful. We don’t need more representation of the way people think autistic people act, we need authentic autistic representation. Only autistic people can truly understand autism. Nothing about us without us.
6:35 I'm increasingly concerned with RU-vid's policy on demonetizing content related to discussions of suicide and mental health. Words like 'died,' 'killed,' 'murdered,' and 'suicide' are not just words; they represent real issues that people face daily. Censoring or demonetizing them doesn't protect us; it silences crucial conversations and isolates those who are struggling. We need open dialogue more than ever. The existence of suicide prevention hotlines underscores the necessity of these discussions. Mental health is a critical topic, and we should be encouraging content creators who bring these issues to light, not penalizing them. RU-vid, please reconsider this approach for the sake of healthy, open, and supportive dialogue on your platform.
This has nothing to do with RU-vid itself. ADVERTISERS such as Coca-Cola decide what sort of content they want to run ads on, & they don’t want to run their upbeat soda ads on this sort of content. So the creators, not RU-vid, decide to censor these words so they can trick the RU-vid algorithms & Coca-Cola ads will still run on the video.
@@scarletsletter4466 this ^ Anyone can post anything on RU-vid as the advertisers are okay with promoting their content there. Hence why a lot of ppl have to censor words just to make some money especially if RU-vid is their only source of income.
Stupid hey, like noone understands what unalive means. Like everybody will stop all violence if they never hear the words. Be interesting to see how far this goes...
@@ArtemimiOCE Amen to that. It always blows my mind that content creators can be demonetized for saying "Rape" Sexual Assault" suicide or "Murder" Yet youtube refused to removed over 300+ videos i have submitted for blatant and completely visual animal abuse... you would have to be a moron to believe that these videos weren't videos depicting animal abuse yet youtube sent me countless emails stating that the video i reported didnt break community standards........ I was stunned. These videos showed clear cases of animal abuse... I am not talking about some harsh words said in the vicinity of an animal or an animal being spanked or an animal being fed dry food instead of fresh food........ The videos I submitted showed physical violence- a man punching an animal that weighs less than 3 pounds.. the poor baby was only about a week old. The little baby, whom was about the same size as the mans fist, was tied to the side of a cage and the was subjected to a brutal beating. I've seen boxers in a ring treated that way but never a tiny and defenseless animal. My God, If i live 100 years i will never forget that video.... i was so shocked that it took me a second or two to process what i was seeing, it took a second to understand that this was a real video and this abuse was really happening...... I was so stunned that I couldn't even figure out what to do..... and while I tried to figure out how to make the video stop.... my eyes saw the baby's eyes looking back at me with such fear and such anguish...... my ears heard the sounds..... and the image and the sounds will haunt me the rest of my days.... That video was the 1st video i had ever seen like that- i have never witnessed such violence as that.......i was horrified. what was worse was the comments. The people rooting the abuser on. The people begging for new abuse to be inflicted. People with ordinary names that sounded like sunday school teachers and day care workers....... these people loved what they were seeing and wanted more..... my god..... I was so angry and i just felt compelled to do something to help.... i wanted to help in some way if i could yet I couldn't help at all and it made me physically and mentally sick for days. look, I understand that monkeys are seen as vermin in other countries.... i get it. I can understand someone eradicating vermin. I have been known to lay down a mouse trap or two in my youth.... but I couldnt stomach it. call me what you will- I just cannot kill a poor little creature let alone to abuse it and torture it before killing it.... psychopaths get off on inflicting harm on something defenseless-period. You cannot claim to be normal and get off on watching shit like that and it sickens me that people can actually feel that wya. They can consider themselves normal while getting their rocks off watching animal abuse and torture. I wouldn't and couldn't film myself pulling the legs off of a cockroach let alone drowning a snake or a rat in a jar. That is cruelty and no living creature deserves that kind of treatment-vermin or not. Sadly there were more videos than i could stomach to report and i reported hundreds. Even if i couldn't watch, the commenters would always spell out everything that happened in gruesome detail...... so i reported, and i reported and i reported and time and time again RU-vid denied what was so plain to see. Time and time again youtube defended the video and refused to remove them...... baby monkeys being put into a jar filled with water and a lid being tightened down making sure that the little being had no way to escape and then the jar was viciously shook and the baby monkey left to drown. The jar was later opened and the baby monkey was in fact drown... drown and lifeless but oh n thats not where the video ended.... no no.... the poor thing was revived and made to breath again......... only to be subjected to the horror a 2nd or 3rd time....... videos of baby monkeys being tied to fan blades whilst someone tied firecrackers to the arms and legs. The fan was then turned on after the firecrackers were ignited..... oh how the commenters celebrated those videos.... animals being whipped with extension cords... mostly baby monkeys.. Tiny little beings sucking on bottles and wearing diapers-were whipped with extension cords..... baby monkeys who had both arms and both legs yanked from their sockets and left laying on the floor writhing in pain and crying.... baby animals force fed until it was choking and eyes bugging out of their little heads..... drownings, beatings, suffocation, fake rescues, baby animals being given to a pack of dogs to play with..... the brutality was endless. and i thought i could make a difference. pffft Out of the 300+ total videos i submitted for animal abused less than 30 were removed. I reported the videos and was told that those blatant cases of abuse weren't abuse and that the content didn't break community standards yet dare someone say suicide or murder or rape and then youtube stands up and says "oh no you don't!!". RU-vid is getting rich off these videos and they couldn't care less about what animals are hurt as long as they receive their pound of flesh. Its sickening..... but here i am... i am culpable. I shouldn't of come back to youtube after my experience yet here my dumbass sits... I'm as guilty as youtube.......hell I'm more guilty because i should know better. sorry. i didnt mean to get so morose.... i apologize for going nutty
Honestly there is nothing wrong with having a non autistic person play an autistic person. The problem is how they portrayed the autistic person. The only issue is Sia
Looking back I find it such a red flag that Sia had so many issues with exposing herself, an adult woman, to public scrutiny but then had no issue catapulting a 12yo child into that very situation. Even worse, she put her in iffy situations claiming she was “protecting” her. That’s so wild to me. Not to mention Melissa, who literally gives the same vibes as Demi Lovato’s mom… and we all know what happened to Demi. It’s just sad hearing Maddie justifying all of these weird ass choices made by these stunted adults.
This 12 year old WANTED to be catapulted into stardom,…you don’t know that life because you did not have that privilege to be an amazing dancer at that young age,and that is ok too…no child star tries to be a professional dancer and asks to wait for stardom when they are 21.that makes no sense.if you blow up and don’t like it,you can quit.🤷🏽♂️
@@banterj there’s a reason why minors need adults to make decisions for them sometimes. Every single child star that has talked about their experience with abuse in the industry has mentioned similar things to what Maddie had/has been going through. There’s many ways to protect a child star and yet clearly Sia, her mom, and the adults that surround her have failed to do so many times. I work in media and activism, I clearly know about this more than you 👋
It took poor Brooke Shields decades to realize just how badly abused she was and start coming to terms with it. I hope Maddie gets the help she needs much sooner than that.
How is it different today? Its much worse today. Young children are being sexualized and groomed with LGBT ideology in schools. They are running drag shows in schools, and filling kids brains with LGBT ideology, forcing kids to announce "what kind are you ". Are we also going to ignore the normalization of young girls doing Onlyfans and other online sex work?? So much selective outrage these days.
As an autistic person, autism IS a disability for me. "special abilities" denies that in our currect society, I can't do what I need to do to live life normally.
I find this confusing too! I saw, on RU-vid, a family responding to bullying from the deaf community for getting their child a hearing aide!!! The kid has a chiice to wear them or not and puts them on and off as he likes. Yet still, several of them were saying, "you're treating him like being deaf is a disability"... ummm... news flash, IT IS!! Have you ever met anyone who wishes they were born deaf, or who is hanging for their child to be born deaf? It's even a darn safety issue! I couldn't believe what I was reading!
@@kayhollings1777 @@kayhollings1777 I will say the Deaf community is indeed something veru different. I recommend checking out some arguments they have for/against cochlear implants for babies. I can't have an opinion either way, but they have entire schools by and for Deaf folks, their support systems are different. I think the main thing is when these hearing parents don't allow their deaf child access to the Deaf community, it's practically a different culture they would be deprived of.
It’s stupid how people take away from what autistic people can go through just because they don’t want to be labeled as disabled. Instead of trying to wrongly change the meaning of autism they should change their views on the word ‘disability’, and that it’s ok to have one.
It’s called “acting” for a reason. They don’t hire serial killers to play serial killers. They don’t hire doctors to play doctors. They don’t hire people with dissociative identity disorder to play people with dissociative identity disorder. They don’t even hire musicians to play musicians, half the time, or British people to play British people. They don’t always hire gay people to play gay people; Brokeback Mountain, anyone? But suddenly it’s expected that you have to hire an autistic person to act in a movie as the autistic character it’s written for. If anything, putting that kind of pressure on someone who would have to be severely autistic to play the character the movie is written about is just cruel. Not everyone can act, that’s why it’s such a niche talent. If you’re making a movie about firefighters or FBI agents or the military, you can hire someone in those professions as an adviser to help the actors. I’m so tired of cancel culture. No one ever really gets “cancelled” anyway, it’s like “bitch about everything” culture.
thats a huge paragraph to defend the fact that sia WROTE the autistic character poorly. maybe if they had an actual autistic person theyd have known whats wrong with it
the only way i’ve heard of sia actually protecting maddie is when she stopped maddie from getting on a private plane with harvey weinstein. other than that, sia has put maddie into the spotlight that she herself found to be really damaging. it seems like a lot of celebrities with kids nowadays are keeping their kids’s lives very private because they know how damaging it can be. it seems like sia sees maddie as an extension of herself and wants to live through her rather than how an actual parent-child relationship should be
What. the ACTUAL. Fvck. I feel so fvcking back for Maddie, and quite frankly, protecting her from one of the industries biggest pdf file is...the least one can do. I can't wait till she finally gets out of that toxic environment and drops the whole story and calls all these women out!
The thing is she is not a parent so her extreme obsession with her is weird.... No adult should want to have such a relationship with someone else's child... It is so weird...
Please bare in mind I make this comment as someone who hasn't watched the video yet and was a huge Sia fan as a teenager. I believe she adopted some boys who were about to leave the care system a couple of years ago. I do think a relationship to this extent with a child is concerning though. I can understand how Maddie, who likely experienced trauma during her childhood would then gravitate to Sia but Sia shouldn't have taken it that far
So when did all of you people become mental health professionals? Or suffered from extreme social anxiety? Then you shouldn't judge someone who is suffering from it. There are child performers and everything they are to do is in the contract. If the parent or child protests, then they should not sign the contract. No one forced this girl, other than her seemingly abusive mom, to work for Sia. There are lots of young performers, and no one knows whether the young person feels exploited, unless they or the parents/guardians speak up. It seems like everyone just wants to build people up, only to revel in tearing them down eventually.
@gracieb.3054 I am in no way suggesting anything negative about Sia's anxiety, HOWEVER I treat ALL children with the care I wish someone had shown me. If as a grown ass woman she suffered from anxiety from fame, knowingly putting a child in that spotlight is intentionally putting that child in danger. I dont care that they chose it. My kids would do a lot of things that would hurt them if they had a say. My son wants to be a RU-vidr, he is 9 and has bullies IRL. What he wants matters less than his mental and emotional safety, so I don't let him. When he is older I will give him the tools to face it as an adult, we can get him programing classes, public speaking classes, we can do all the leg work so he hits the ground running but he is a child and no adult should be putting them in danger knowingly. I have my own issues with the dance mom mentality Ala Gypsy, but this video was about Sia and how her mental health issues became so bad and then knowing what fame did to her put a child in front of her AS A SHIELD. I myself spent 10 years in crippling depression and the pandemic on top of that cause me social anxiety that gives me a 30 minute window in public before I get the shakes and sweats, I know anxiety. I would never expose a child to what gave me my issues, even if they wanted it. She could have gone thr route of Daft Punk or Marshmello. She could have hired an adult dancer to be her public face. I dont often say this, especially to someone who is trying to defend someone with a mental illness but you are wrong.
@@gracieb.3054 you have sympathy for the grown ass woman using a child for a stand in and putting all this pressure on her but don't have sympathy for the said child because of mental health? at some point we need to have a conversation about how anxiety and shit like that doesn't excuse the fucked up shit ppl do
@@vermillionglamour someone suffering from mental health issues regardless of age can be just as if, not more vulnerable as a child. However what distincts the two in this scenario is that Sia as a high-functioning successful adult artist with a mental illness and endless resources to sustain her mental health, should know better to not put a child into such grave exploitation.
Thankfully she received quite a bit of praise for her movie The Fallout alongside Jenna Ortega. Most sensible people know not to hold a terrible movie over a 14 year old’s head. She’s doing great currently and honestly I’m happy. Hope she finally has sole control of her own life! People like abby and sia, regardless of their seemingly pure intentions and overwhelming love, can be dangerous.
I'm assuming the 2 ladies you mentioned are not mothers and do not have the instinct of protecting a child. Maddie's mom...the less said about her mothering, the better.
@@youknowimright1725 they both used/exploited Maddie for fame and success. They did it using different methods, but they still both did it and exerted huge control over her life while doing so.
@@JazzyB9481 Sia wasn't famous because of Maddie. Maddie did nothing for Sia's career. Thats an extremely weird angle to take, Sia was a HIGHLY acclaimed writer and singer before she ever met Maddie. You could argue that Sia gave Maddie a career outside of just being one of the kids from dance moms.
Maddie was a child when she was cast in the role of an autistic person. She was doing what she was told to do and what she thought she was supposed to be doing. The controversy and backlash were way out of porportion and so beyond dramatic and it didnt ruin her career. She's doing just fine and has a huge fan base, is still extremely talented, and is overall a very sweet and well rounded young lady.
@michellem3624no the person is saying that it wasn’t maddie’s fault, she was doing what _Sia_ told her to, and that this shouldn’t impact maddie’s career as it wasn’t her _own_ fault. it would have been nice for her to have more to say back to the deserved criticism and feedback, but imagine trying to speak out against the adult who has more or less given you everything :/ hopefully she is more able one day to really speak against it
@@ihatemickiegee actually she, Maddie, was the one who thought that it is like mocking people who have autism and the adults in her life said it was OK.
The blown out of proportion isn't true tho... That movie had a dangerous hold that has literally killed autistic children and it was known before the movie came out and they still put it out. The backlash was for very good reason.
Right. And the fact that she cried and said she didn't want to offend anyone speaks volumes. It shows truly how much pressure was put on her at such a young age.
The moment I saw this video, I knew I had to watch it. As someone on the spectrum, I do not blame Maddie at all, in fact I've been fearing for her after I heard she was crying on set as she knew this was going to be offensive and how much she was pushed to do this by Sia. There really needs to be some more digging into Sia, because this woman taking advantage of a kid like this is honestly just disturbing and she should be investigated.
Right, the more I hear about this relationship, the more concerning I find it. She's using this girl as an extension of herself, as a doll, a mask, a shield all at once. The fact that Sia felt fame was this overwhelming, horrible prison, so she put this young girl in the spotlight in lieu of herself to absorb all the horrible parts of the fame for her, and reap only the benefits. She's an incredibly talented artist and I do sympathise with her struggles with addiction and mental health, but what she's doing to Maddie is just not acceptable.
FFS how dumb are you people? She's 21, she's not a little kid, how about you learn how to think critically and stop being manipulated by horrible people like the person who made this video and let the girl speak for herself.
Most disturbing part was her being on the Ellen show. I'm like,.keep your disgusting pedo hand off her ellen! She's on epsiteins list she's a dirty disgusting pedo..was sias keeping hands kn her to protect her from the other pedos I the business..or wanted hetmal, to herself.. and called it protecting her from other pedos but her..they had cuddles? I hate to think.. imgope sia isn't a dirty pedo.....shwas sia on epsreis list?
So glad someone else is saying this. Honestly it's really gross to me that this video goes in such deep detail about Sia's mental health issues and suicide attempt, but can't even say the word "killed"
Justin was surrounded by ppl who tried to use him or live through him (his dad, per example), honestly as if being bullied by ppl for no reason wasn't enough, he also had to deal with all of that. I don't like him nowadays for some stuff he's said and done to others, but I really think he had a sad childhood and deserved better.
Ellen is such a creep in the interview for trying to paint Maddie as displayed "half-naked." In ballet, whether male or female, the whole point it to stream-line the body so that the viewer can see all of the body contour as the dance is performed. This generally goes for modern dance as well. There is almost no question that Ellen was part of the Elitist exploitation here. The whole Jefry Epsteen group. SHAME!
Sia: hates fame, thinks it's a prison, and wants to be invisible Also Sia: Has a teenager take the fall for an awful film and has a creepy/obsessive relationship with said teenager
I feel sad for Maddie Ziegler who was attacked for the movie while: - she was 14 years old. Come on, she was a kid, whats wrong with you people?!? - she was concerned about hurting special needs people. She didn't played it like "fuck them, I'll do whatever I want". She was not the problem here: Sia and the people attacking that kid without connecting their two neurons were the problem.
As an alternative view, I believe some autistic ppl r extremely selfish. Sia is autistic ? Idk she's nuts, she's obsessed with Maddie's youth n beauty. Disgusting.
So we're upset because they didn't cast an autistic person to play an autistic role, but a black man can play Alexander Hamilton and that's Progressive
As an autistic person I didnt agree with that take. Freddie high more and keir gilchrist (atypical) did well in their roles. However if a show is going to be based off autism or the main character with autism (played by a neurotypical) they could at least cast background/small roles to meurodivergent people.
Everything had to be turned into something negative,as the whole video intent us to show how Maddie was treated horribly and exploited. Even "Make sure to tell us if you're uncomfortable" needed to be depicted as wrong.
the point was that putting a child in a potentially uncomfortable situation and expecting them to be able to tell you if they're uncomfortable is just a bad idea from the start. letting the child know that they have that option is great, but expecting them to actually act on it is ignorant at best, especially given maddie's history specifically. as a child who didn't even grow up in this type of space, i never wanted to admit that something was too much for me. i always had something to prove. maddie is that but exponentially more intense. that was the point.
I think it’s the sentence „I can’t handle it“. There’s a big difference between „I am uncomfortable“ or „I don’t want to do this“ and „I can’t handle it“. Most of us can handle a number of things that we don‘t want to handle or that make us uncomfortable, but we have been taught that sometimes being uncomfortable is necessary, so we push our limits. Think going to the dentist. The kids on dance mums had drilled into their heads since they were children that their comfort didn’t matter - they could handle it. They probably all can handle a lot, but at what cost? Not being able to handle anything is considered a weakness, so admitting to it is an unlikely scenario.
If you’re asking a child to tell you if/ when they can’t handle a situation that you’re putting them in, then you as the adult already know that you’re pushing boundaries.
If you ever wondered how the entertainment industry could foster just child predatory behavior, just look at this. It's their own parents selling their kids to whomever so the mom can live vicariously through their kid and in the moms messed up brain she gets to be rich and famous. Doesn't matter to them if the kid, male or female, is being preyed on or abused or even all the way to sexual abuse, just as long as the mom can get her rocks off. The ones who actually make it out just fine are because the mom hates it and is mad protective. which is obviously rare.
Elastic heart was actually pretty good if you look at it from a dance perspective, it looks like someone battling their inner demons, trying to be strong, but in the end, I think the person failed, and it was really sad, the part where Maddie-- the idea of this strong person trying to scare away a much older but scared version of the person's self (Shia) was trying to pull them out of that place, but he was still too scared in the end.
I heard that the video was a father and daughter..he was trapped in his own prison, she was also trapped in his prison but it took her a long time to realize she was small enough to escape the cage. She also tried to free her father but his demons were too big to escape the cage..I like that idea better than thr werewolf one.
It is an incredible piece of art & that’s why it has so many views. I interpreted it as being about a dad & daughter also. I think if you watch it & see something disturbing, even after everyone involved said they enjoyed the process, the problem is with you.
I agree. I took it like a daughter and her father. It's nice but I do see the issue of a little girl exposed to a grown man in boxers idk, I wouldn't let my child do that. Also I have a strong opinion that kids should not be in the public eye, at all.
I wish RU-vidrs would stop editing out words like kill and suicide as it takes away from the story. We should not be so afraid of these words as they are too important to talk about.
Exactly. It would be different if they weren't going to discuss those topics even further, but to censor the word suicide or abuse and then go on to explain it in detail makes absolutely zero sense. Its only because they believe it will stop them from being monetized
I think the actual people to hold accountable here are maddie's parents. The whole hollywood glam is problematic for any child star and parents should take responsibility for their children, especially if they choose fame as careers.
Right!! Wasn’t it her mom they kept showing saying ‘any publicity’s good publicity’ (basically) I can’t fathom being so excited about my child’s negative publicity.
Weird how Sia hated the fame so much but she was happy to throw a young Maddie into it? (I get Maddie was already known, but clearly being associated with Sia at such a young age threw her into a much higher level of fame)
I don't see what's so difficult to figure out about it. Sia has fame, but doesn't want it. Maddie wants it. Or at least Maddie's mom wants Maddie to want it. And so a bargain is struck.
They aren't banned. It's RU-vidrs "playing it safe" and censoring words "just in case". RU-vid is insane with the censorship and banning, so I'm not here to defend them. ..but you don't literally have to censor normal, every day words like kill, drugs, died, etc. RU-vidrs need to _actually read_ the terms of service.
The crazy thing is, why would Sia think a 14 year old girl who's never acted would be skilled enough to portray a character with a disability she doesn't have. Even highly experienced actors couldn't do the role. It's just dumb.
@@illuminaticonfirmed1389 But, what does "an autistic person" act like? Do you see the issue? How can all autistic people be different AND YET every portrayal of autism (by a non-autistic person) be wrong? For example, are you saying that there are no autistic people in existence that act like Leonardo DiCaprio in "Gilbert Grape"? If there are...the Leo was portraying that specific type of autism. So, what's the problem?
I don't think you can get addicted to anti-depressants because they aren't fast acting. The pills you mentioned were an opioid and an anti-anxiety benzodiazepine.
It’s really weird how people sexualise the video of elastic heart, as someone who grew up without a father I have always loved it. I’ve never seen it as sexual but more as a connection between a father and daughter, or his inner child
I think it’s because it’s because of who the man is he’s always been exposed for being a creep so to put her in that position with that man is what makes it weird she could’ve used an adult dancer there’s plenty
Yeah it really came across as artistic to me, it was definitely more about the dance and emotion conveyed. Even with actual cannibal Shia Labeouf in it lol
The video isnt really the problem for me. It's the workinh behind the scenes, that's confusing boundaries for a little girl, having to be so sensual and touched, they could've had a body double, an adult. And shia is shady and has some intense accusations against him, maybe if they used a more respectable professional dancer it'd had come off a little better.
@@anonymous-iy5pd exactly but people are trying to pass it as “art” so they ignore that this is an 11 year old girl and an already exposed creepy older man
Sia has one of the best female voices in pop culture. She always inspired me when I was younger. Now I realize just because a person is talented, doesn't mean, unfortunately, that they're also suitable to be role models. Sia was badly abused by her alcoholic parents as a kid and went through some pretty traumatic life events such as the sudden death of a fiance, drugs and alcoholism. Of course she wouldn't be the best influence on a kid like Maddie. The one who should've realized that is Maddie's mother, who failed to do so.
Its important to separate the art from the artist. You are allowed to enjoy someone’s work but that doesn’t automatically mean you must like them as a person. I think social media has played a big part in society not being able to separate the two because people are made to feel so personally involved in a stranger’s life. It also puts unnecessary pressure on the artist to conform or be censored for no real reason. If you are a pop singer you should not be held to the same standards or expectations as the Prince of England for example. Furthermore parents need to set those boundaries for their children not to be exposed to things only adults have the capacity to understand, not a random stranger on the radio.
@@itszenbabyWith that being said a pop singer should not be taken seriously or get paid as much as they do. You will have kids looking up to you if you're famous just comes along with the territory.
Just because Sia, didn’t want the fame, doesn’t mean Maddie didn’t want it. Everyone’s mad bcuz Sia, put Maddie, in it, doesn’t mean Maddie wasn’t enjoying it
It's not that simple. Maybe if Maddie had been a bit older, that would. But it's that Sia hated it, believed it could be cruel and overwhelming, but decided to hand it off to a child. If you believe something has the potential to be that detrimental to a person's psyche...maybe don't make your stand in be someone who is not even a teenager. That's the issue.
@@Maria.9094 she don’t get that much hate rn, but she did in like 2019. I think it’s because she did a lot of like stupid teenage stuff back then, like saying the n word. But she has apologised for it now. And I mean she was only 14, so ofc she isn’t perfect, and she has learned from her mistakes
@@Mi_1_2 Kids need to be left in private where they can get teenage indiscretions out of their system in the safety of privacy... We are all imperfect beings and we all have to go through those things...
Most families that aren't in a media intensive scenario also have second or third sibling feel like they are under the shadow of an older or most poor more successful older sibling. That's just life.
I'm really happy you did a deep dive on this, I have been waiting for someone to cover this topic, but I don't think you stressed enough how predatory Sia's relationship with Maddie is. Even worse than Sia making that awful movie and ruining Maddie's immediate chances of being a serious actor, Maddie's mom said Maddie slept in Sia's bed multiple times when she was 12! There were so many things Sia did to Maddie that was so problematic. I feel like this doc needs a part 2.
Her mom literally said she loved when Sia and Maddie cuddled together in bed. They also use to share a toothbrush There’s a video on a channel called MackZboss titled Maddie’s concerning relationships with adults something along those lines and the quotes can be seen in there for anyone who is curious
One of Sia's people got a tattoo of Maddie's TEETH. Not to mention sia said she stopped Maddie from getting on a plane with Harvey Weinstein. What was Melissa doing???? I really think this needs a second Deep Dive and Deep Dive needs to go deeper into Dance Moms because Maddie's relationship with Abby Lee Miller is a very deep rabbit hole that almost ruined Maddie.
@@pop0944 Sia used her power to get Maddie almost naked, rubbing against a grown man on video. Since Maddie had never done that before, it was something she didn't want to do.
@@hamilcross Benzos are known to be super addictive anti-anxiety medications, which is why doctors usually prescribe antidepressants for anxiety first.
The fact that Sia - a grown woman- didn’t want to be in the spotlight because she knew all the horrible things that come with it put Maddie - a child - in the crossfire instead is messed up. It’s like she used Maddie as her avatar or something. A psychologist should probably analyze this.
If Sia didn't want to be famous, she would stop doing things to make her more famous. She's full of shit. And she doesn't show her face because she's aging. That's the only reason. People can't really be this gullible.
Why they say this video ended Maddie career before it even started? This girl been in the game since she was 4 years old dummy. She had millions of views before Sia collabs. Now she has billions. If Maddie were smart she'd link back up with Sia again and continue where she left off because these videos are clearly her best work.
I just feel so bad for Maddie, she seems like a really sweet person who was just taken advantage of from her mother to Sia, she’s so talented too I wish her the best
She doesn't seem to have the slightest regret about having performed in Sia's videos, though. So, why making it into a problem? She seems to have mainly been the victim of thousands of people who were offended to see her dance "half naked" (that is, in a perfectly normal dance outfit) and thousands of other people who harassed a 14 yo until she had a break down because she played in a movie that they happened to dislike.The offenderati seem to me to have been the main problem, here.
@@olivierdastein2604 literally this entire video should be about how the internet is bullying children and a person with bipolar disorder until she relapsed and became suicidal... Instead we somehow get the take that sia is evil? Why? Because she made 1 video that is actually highly regarded by people that like dance, and made 1 shitty film...
Poor Maddie's been used all her life. I hope she'll be able to do the things she loves, if acting is it then that, if it's something else than that 💁🏻♀️ she's such a multitalented person.
I take issue with the high functioning autistic woman saying that autistic people should be the only one's to play an autistic character. It's not a question of who can be autistic 'better', the movie featured an extremely low functioning autistic character that no one with the same level of autism could reasonably play. And I don't see how it would be any better for a high functioning autistic person to play a low functioning one. I say this as someone with high functioning autism, the spectrum is MASSIVE. The character Maddie played is a character very few people can relate to, and no one that actually has the same developmental level as her character would be the one to be complaining. I think more sensitivity couldve been taken to explain the different levels of autism but not EVERY single character can always be portrayed by someone with that exact condition. Next, only people with stage 5 cancer can play a character with it, or only someone in the middle of suffering from full body burns.
Exactly my thoughts! It's a movie , movies entail acting. A person is cast to portray a character. People need to lighten up and appreciate the effort. Imo
I feel like we are all glossing over how an 11 year old girl ended up in this position to begin with. Definitely not trying to take anything away from Sia's negative role in the situation. But an 11 year old isn't doing anything without their parents consent. Similar to Sia, it's possible that Maddie's mother was also trying to live a life of fame vicariously through her daughter. . Seems like this poor girl has had terrible role model after terrible role model.
As a father of a girl, I had some reserves about a little girl acting with a fully grown man. But Shia's acting was marvelous, and I didn't know at the time how serios he was about his acting. Up until then he was just a take it or leave it actor to me. What they did together made an outstanding video.
His performance was equally as impressive as Maddie's, however, now...idk, now he creeps me tf out... he just seems like the type of guy to stalk people... And idk when the switch in his head flipped but...just, that pickle ain't ever cucumbering again is all I'm sayin'....
Shia is extremely invested in his art craft, very serious about it. He's one of those kind of actors that genuinely makes it appear as art rather than just adults pretending. But it's hard for me to enjoy his work because he's such a piece of shit person. Now, I'm not his shrink, but I suspect he suffers from some fairly serious mood disorders at a minimum, so I feel bad saying he's a dumpster fire human being. But...he totally is.
Gotta love how Sia hated the lime light. So now she just exploits young girls the way she felt exploited, and protects herself from. Goes to show the general morality of the industry.
Maddie is doing so fine now. She had started to do jobs she really wanted, like acting in the Fallout where she befriended Jenna and now continuing on modeling.
*sigh* To all the Elastic Heart people “it’s sexual” vs “it’s not sexual”. The message of the song is not sexual. For the most part, the physical choreography is also *not* sexual. It is, in general, best described as animalistic and primal. However, there is and always will be something inherently inappropriate about a young child having unnecessary amounts of entire-body physical contact with a grown man. It’s not right. It’s deliberately executed to invoke that reaction as well- an insidiously clever and manipulative move on Sia’s part. If the dance had been choreographed to convey more childlike erraticism on the part of the grown man, then it would be more acceptable to watch. He would essentially be taking on the character role of a child. But it’s not. It’s actually the opposite. The dance deliberately includes some borderline mature moves that the little girl has to execute. In the form of body control and fluidity of movement, the little girl is portrayed as far more mature than her actual years, and it’s definitely not right.
Also, now that I know sia was banging Shia... and Why was Shia not wearing more clothing ? and all the oil. I can’t help but think the nude body suit would have been more accepted if he had more freaking clothes on
This comment has no relation to the main topic of the video. I do not mean to discredit any effort put into the video. However, I find it baffling that Sia's suicide attempt is being discussed in such detail. This is not because I believe Sia isn't exploiting Maddie or that this is not easily accessible knowledge. My problem with it is that, as someone who has struggled severely with depression and has come close, this video was severely triggering while not giving any indication that it would discuss triggering topics. The amount of detail and information, the - basically - suicide notes, the drugs (censored only to avoid the video being affected by an age restriction). It strikes me as incredibly harmful and careless that the *only* trigger warning being given is for flashing lights. A warning like that is important, yes. But sensitive topics that can send an unsuspecting viewer spiralling are just as important. I do not mean to say that this video is bad. In fact, I can't say whether it is. Because, considering the first topic being discussed, I can not finish this video, as I feel it would risk my mental well-being. It is so incredibly important for content creators to be aware that some of their content can be genuinely dangerous to the parts of their community with a mental health history. And I find it disappointing when a content creator is seemingly unaware.
The Dance Mom’s daughters are already robbed of their chance at a normal, happy childhood. Maddie was robbed of that and that breaks my heart. Sia is a sick human and I really hope she faces the consequences of that. I really pray that Maddie can heal from all of all this exploitation and trauma and be able to live her life exactly as she wants. She deserves freedom. And people who truly love her and have her best interests at heart. And never be used as a “prop” or exploited by adults ever again. ❤❤
From a dance perspective Chandelier is a masterpiece. As a mom i know Maddies mom Millissa had the last word on everything. Its the mom who should let Maddie find the path she loves most as she gets older❤️🩹
I think it’s particularly baffling how publicly this creepy dynamic is displayed, with them openly saying disturbing things in interviews but it’s never acknowledged how fucked up it all actually is.
I had NEVER heard of Sia until Maddie Zeigler appeared in one of her videos. Furthermore I think Maddie was more popular and favored than Sia. I also think Sia is weird.
When you said Maddie and her mom trusted Sia it irked me. To me it is the mom who failed her daughter if Sia was exploiting her....when in reality the moms are the ones exploiting the dance girls.
Sia's issues around fame came from her father. He was a singer & got frustrated & angry when Sia won more prizes & received more attention than him. I can see how Sia thought she was doing right by Maddie by taking her under her wing. But that doesn't excuse the inappropriate things she did with Maddie. If she really needed Maddie for the dance/dream scenes, surely she could have found an actress on the spectrum that looked similar enough to Maddie to play the "real world" scenes.
@@dragoncup9099 I don't think so. I'm pretty sure she's just a well-intentioned, rich & talented artist with a tenuous grip on reality, surrounded by people who only tell her YES. I don't think she's a bad person, but where is her support system? Doesn't she have any close friends/advisors/managers that could prevent her from making bad decisions like these? The mini-Sia doppelganger thing was actually cool and fun and a good concept, but it does feel like a boundary was crossed somewhere along the line.
I think it is okay for an austic character to be portrayed by someone who's not autistic if the writing is still spot-on. Abed from Community is the perfect example of this. The character is clearly on the spectrum, and while his actor isn't, the writer of the show has aspergers. Danny Pudi's acting was nothing like a mockery because every mannerism he made was constructed by genuine people who knew what they were doing. Sia simply didn't.
We don't use the term 'Aspeegers' anymore. And unless you're autistic, you wouldn't get why an autistic actor is necessary. It's like having a white person play a black person.
I agree. Also, just because you're a low-supports-need autistic person with high intelligence doesnt mean you're better at portraying a non-verbal high-supports-need character than neurotypical actors. I think many autistic people with mild symptoms dont wanna acknowledge how diverse the spectrum is. there are autistic people who will never be able to live on their own, who need diapers even as adults, who have to wear helmets because they bash their heads againsts walls during meltdowns very often. My symptoms are really mild compared to this and having to act like this would be a real challenge
The issue a lot of people totally forget is that autistic actors do not get as many roles as neurotypical actors. Disabled and neurodivergent often are discriminated when looking for a job, and this is the exact same thing for acting. So, if even to play an autistic person, autistic actors are not chosen, when will they be? Because they aren't being chosen to play neurotypical characters.
That article defending Sia is giving Vanity Fair defending Colleen Ballinger’s grooming, Mary Sue defending Vivziepop’s transphobia, and Cosmopolitan defending James Charles’ pedophilia...
Her mom seems like part of the problem in the massive amounts of inappropriate behaviour directed towards Maddie. Unfortunately most of the child stars have complicit parents....
As an autisic person myself I can definitely see why that film was so offensive, also, autism is not the same for everyone. I wish people would understand that, each person with it is different.
If you've met one person with Autism... you've met one person with Autism. I get so frustrated with people who try to generalize it... to the point that when everyone gets offended when they don't feel that Autism is portrayed authentically (even by Autistic actors), I just have to throw my hands up. I think Hollywood should really give up on trying to portray an Autistic individual at all. It just makes our community angry whenever they try. Oh.. and I haven't seen that movie, but I imagine that it probably is quite offensive, just based on what I see in the clips.
My niece is Autistic, but she is severely non-verbal and acts EXACTLY like the movie portrayed from what little scenes I saw, but that's the thing about Autism is it is different for everybody. She wouldn't understand the movie completely if she did see it to really get offended because she has shown very little sense of reality, I highly doubt she would care considering she often just moves on from something if she doesn't like it. I feel like it's an effort and it's why I can't get offended for every Autistic person out there when there is a character who happens to be autistic, but everybody is going to get offended when attempting portray autism because everybody is so different. It is not at all something which can be generalized into certain numbers.
You cannot at the same time say every autistic person is different AND say that Maddie's portrayal was bad. I used to work at summer camps and I have a little autistic girl who acted almost exactly like Maddie in the film. If anything, all of the autistics who are saying that nobody who is autistic acts like Maddie did in the movie or that she didn't portray it 'right' are basically insulting any autistic who actually does behave that way. You can't have it both ways.
This is why I missed when Aspergers syndrome was still used as a diagnosis, since in many ways, putting so many people under the same autism umbrella has made it harder for the public to understand the variety and differences between people on the spectrum. Sure, there are similarities, but there are also massive differences between a person who can support themselves and mask when they need to, and a completely non-verbal person requiring round-the-clock care and supervision.
if she hated living a celebrity life, why did she continue to pursue it and show her face? she could have easily stopped and had been forgotten about at some point.
The only thing that I disagree is that someone neurotypical actor cannot be acting someone neurodivergent and on the spectrum. One of the characters that I love so much is Woo Young Woo from Extraordinary Attorney Woo. The actress who played Attorney Woo did a fantastic job. It never felt like it was a mockery. The writers also do a fantastic job. However, it takes a combination of a fantastic writer and a phenomenal actor who also respect the community and understand the nuances of being neurodivergent (and, in this case, on the spectrum). But, that's just me. Also, South Korea is also very different industry...just look how SK deal with mental health on so many levels. I doubt that they would have let a person on the spectrum to even act in the first place.
The autistic spectrum is also so wide that having someone from the high functioning end of the spectrum play someone from the opposite end of the spectrum is basically the exact same as that character being played by a neurotypical actor. The odds of an autistic actor being low functioning themself is quite low.
@@Iva744came here to comment the same thing. I'm autistic myself, but of someone like me was hired for the role, they'd still have to imitate the gestures and tics because they could not have THAT level of disability irl
I too don't think it was a mockery- growing up I had two brothers in our neighborhood that are on the spectrum and one of em was in my class in elementary school. The manneurisms were om par with his. So people would say its biased but I think people forget not every person on the spectrum is the same. Sia depicted one version on the spectrum. It's sad people tend to forget that part. It's a spectrum for a reason.
As an autist, a high functioning autist has no idea what its like to have severe autism. The spectrum is wide and can have completely different experiences for everyone, even between two high functioning autists. They would be acting like they have severe autism, just like Maddie. This outrage is the dumbest shit ever. And if you see some people with severe autism, what this video shows of Maddie was pretty decent acting.
Why can't a non Autistic can not play a part of an Autistic. It's all this woke crap. So if I make a movie about a woman with cancer. I actually have to find a women actress with cancer? It's ridiculous!
Dance moms is an awful reality show that’s really interesting but the original girls have said time and time again how awful it was to be on the show. Maddie’s mom is to blame. Her mom is the one who let her daughters go through all of this. I have no respect for Melissa. She’s an awful mom to let this happen.
sia is an example of an obsessive adult who is a fan of a child (much like mary-kate and ashley olsen) who got too close when they should've stayed in a parasocial relationship. maddie's parents and every adult in her life failed her.
The Elastic Heart video is not paedophilic imo. I feel like we've been taught as a society to view adult men and female children interacting together as inherently wrong, and that was projected onto the public response. You can't fight against pedophilia whilst also calling every innocent interaction between man and child as sexual, yourself. That would, ironically, make you a pedophile yourself in a way, yknow? There was nothing sexual about the video, and it's wrong to project that. There are PLENTY of false "innocent" portrayals in media of adult men and children together that is played off as innocuous but this isn't one of them.
Agreed. I just watched their videos on Miley Cyrus and there was this one interview Billy Ray did where the interviewer stated pictures he took with Miley looked more like a boyfriend than a father…. Ew! But it’s because in our society people don’t think of fathers having the ability to provide safe and healthy touch, especially to their daughters. Men have the ability to be safe and even nurturing. And interactions between adult men and young girls CAN be innocent. Can men be inappropriate, disgusting, predatory? Yes. But I think it does our culture a disservice when we assume there can’t be any positive interactions ever. Sorry for the long message. I just liked your comment 😂
Maddie wearing skin colored closing even fehlt wrong when chandelier came out. I remember watching and admiring the art and performance, but feeling very uneasy with her outfit. If we're being honest with ourselves, we know for a fact, that pedos out there have enjoyed these videos for wrong reasons. I believe just a switch in outfits would have made it acceptable and really don't understand why that wasn't done. Also. Why was Shia Labeouf casted for Elastic Heart? If it was an adult actress, it would make more sense. As an introspective fight. But Shia was casted because he was the most famous actor that was interested. They already knew that it was weird even back then. If you knew it, why the hell make it then? Sia didn't really care about exploiting a child in my opinion, even though Maddy claims, that was all cool with. She was definitely put on a platform for millions of creepy pedos to fantazise about her. Because she was half naked and in skin colored clothing. Obviously Sia doesn't give a damn, she watches dance moms. Which is by design exploitative. She probably thinks Cuties is a cool film or something.
It was all done on purpose. The flesh coloured outfit, the adult male dancing with her she in her flesh coloured out and he almost naked in flesh coloured underwear, the birdcage, the pizza outfit. They groom and exploit these children. It’s disgusting. It goes back way back. Even Shirley Temple was exploited. People thought it was cute. She was a baby and was dancing around grown men, being portrayed as an “adult”, and being used and abused. I’m sure Shia was abused too. He was a Disney child after all. They were all abused.
@@PHBRNTGGR2 Agreed. Unfortunately, we have to be mindful of the fact that predators exist, that they exert a strong influence in media, and that they will shape it to normalize their own interests. 🤢 I wish we didn’t have to keep an eye out but if we bury our heads in the sand, we’re allowing children to be hurt. They shouldn’t pay the price because adults won’t protect them. From R. Kelly billing 15-year-old Aaliyah’s first album “Age Ain’t Nothing but a Number” to the overtly gross material produced by Nickelodeon, predators clearly won’t shy away from catering to each other or grooming the rest of society to accept it as normal. Look at what was done to Shirley Temple before her feature-length films. Then she was starring in movies opposite actors playing single men who end up adopting her. (Seriously, WTF.) Hollywood had a similarly disturbing version featuring young boys. That was the _thirties._ Now children are exposed to social media and p*rn where the exploitation of young people is a genre that makes billions.
