Man V30 always works, usually is my go to speaker. If you can, Voghan speakers are nice, Eld Power classic 30 is cool too. I also like BGT Speakers and Nordik. Those are all brazilian speakers. Not sure if you'll find those easily, but if you can, totally worth to check those out.
You're doing an important job in metal right now: showing people that it's okay to experiment and that not every record has to use the same 3 (more like ONE) speaker. These sounded so good. Wasn't huge on the Tonespeak. Cannot wait to hear more non typical speakers used in metal context.
I can't believe how good the Blue sounded on it's own, then blended......wow. Both blends had their own vibe and would work so well in a mix. Amazing info again Kristian -- thanks!
I'm only a minute or so in, but I just have to say how happy I am that you're doing this. I've been running a 1960's Vox Blueback with a Celestion Goldback since the early 90's. I've managed to get a sound that I was very happy with both dirty and clean, I'm looking forward to this video
The blue is a real sleeper. My mix at the minute is a Jensen Electric Lightning and a Seventy 80. The Seventy 80 is very similar to that Manchester, massive dust cap and scoopy so by itself its rather flat but the Jensen fills the mids out.
I need a 4x12 shootout. What I really would be interested in would be to see what 4 speakers you would put in a random 4x12 cab to cover as much metal ground as possible, if you already have an oversized Mesa with v30's.
I went through a phase where I tried piles of old HIFI speakers from the 50s through the 80s with a few of my amps and they all surprised me. Some lacked bottom end and others could be harsh but most ALNICO speakers sounded fantastic. I blew up a pair of old gold framed "Roger Charles" ALNICO speakers because I got wrapped up in how GREAT they sounded.lol
really enjoyed the clarity of the blue and in combination it was brutal! both sets were good and ever classic it depends on the band/genre. I would pick blue combo as my tone though.
EMINENCE DV-77 + CELESTION BLUE. I have been a huge fan of the AlNiCo BLUE for since 1964. Yes... I've been playing that long. Longer! 63 years. For me Celestion G12M-25s and Blues are IT for me. But HEY! I'm an old guy with two 1964 Vox AC30TBs and two 1965 Vox AC30TBs plus a few '60s Marshalls, Hiwatts and Fenders. I use EVM-12L speakers in a 1974 1960a with the Hiwatts. I like my OX BOX as well.
Kristian Kohle. your the true inspiration behind myself loading my 4x12 cabs in my studio with a few select choice speakers. Such as the Eminence DV-77's into a straight front 5150 cab from the early 90's, Vintage 30's into my Marshall 1960A cab and a combination of Eminence Swamp Things and Texas Heats into a Mesa clone cab.Your video's have been invaluable to me but also draining my bank account, lol!!! Keep doing what your doing brother, you ROCK!!!!
Have you tried one of the speakers Crate used to put in their combo amps in the 90's? I believe they are 80 watt speakers. I got 2 of them and they are bright, but very smooth in the highs. I'm sure you can find a Crate G80XL combo amp somewhere for like 50 bucks and the speaker is very useful!
To my taste the Alnico Blues don't really make sense together :/ Essentially harsh metal sounds, sound best with the blend of ceramic speakers. It's not in vain that we all love V30's and Greenbacks. I adore the Alnico Blue but it's SO specific and has that rich high definition Alnico vintage UK sound. Works beautifully in clean to saturated clean- mid overdrive scenarios to my taste. I know that Van Halen used to combine the alnico JBL's with ceramic speakers and it really worked for him so I guess it still is personal and dependable on what are the circumstances. I LOVE your speakers videos. Please keep making them. Cheers.
The voice of the Blue is what got me so excited for Eminence version when it came out, which also comes at a higher power handling. It's a great voice(either manufacturer) to play with really touch sensitive amps.
Been using Eminence for quite some time. I have their Ragin Cajuns on both my ported Happy Cabs 2x10s. I also have one of their 1x12s and ordered the 1290 last weekend. (I currently have a Texas Heat, but a little too dark for my taste) I also saw Tonespeak at NAMM and wanted to give them a shot, considering two of the founders came from Eminence. The 77 and 1290 combo sounds really good!
Awesome video, I like the Manchester speaker quite well! You should try out the new Eminence Retro series speakers, would be interesting if the new budget line is any good for metal, especially as speakers are getting more and more expansive these days.
Big lesson here is if a person is stuck in a mic placement rut, always positioning a ''safe'' microphone in a ''safe'' way that they are familiar with, then they are missing so so soooo much of the overall picture. Brian May is who comes to mind when I think of the Celestion Blue because his Queen recordings capture the main essence of it. However, when you listen to those Queen guitar sounds closely and imagine what was possible, ie how far they COULD have been pushed in different directions with different amps and mics and processing, it boggles the mind as to why more Blues aren't in use today. The outer 1/3 of a Celestion Blue cone is a very interesting place when you have the nerve and time to explore it.
What's funny is that I thought the first speaker sounded good, then after you played the Blue and went back I thought it sounded terrible. Of course, the blend sounds massive!
I tried a lot vintage Rola Celestions. I particularly like the G12-80, both the 1777 and 444 cone version. They sound great with high gain, but clean they're good too.
Tip. Use a warmer/darker ceramic or neo with solid lows and pair with a Celestion Blue or other brigh/chimey alnico.Why?The ceramic will provide the transients - the quicker attack (translates to punch) while the alnico will sound spongey & bright yet smooth on the high end attack (more compressed & pleasant sounding,smoother & intersting to the ear).I've tried several combos,it always sounds great.Next level tone.There will be a subtle tactile difference that doesn't always translate to the untrained ear in thesew demos.But once you play a little while and sense the difference in response & feel everything else will seem more 2 dimensional.
Guess it is time to go shopping - again 😅 Those speaker combinations videos of yours (especially with the less known speakers) are some of the most inspiring and most informative out there regarding finding your very own tone 👌
Awesome, the Blue is my favorite speaker, at least from IRs because I haven't played a real one yet. Nice to see you like it too. I would love to get my hands on your IRs hehe. Also 4x12 shootout sounds fun!
Ive been using the ruby red IR's and the blue in my torpedo cab m+. My go to now is your DV-77 impulse ;) just incredible! I do a video over them in my cab m + video, but I also show them in my newer vid with the free IR shootout. Would be awesome if you checked em out :D please excuse my bad playing lol
@@KohleAudioKult Thank you! Sorry I am slow lol. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-_VEva0FCToM.html & this (: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4k7pX6Az4rc.html
I play with slanted 2 x10 inch speaker... Love 10inch speaker for high gain. And surprisingly, in the end, after trying a lot, I do not use British voiced speaker (too boxy)... :)
Wow that blue celestion sounds awesome. The low end has nice round sounding. Is it an amp or cabs that produce that amazing low end Pls try cream back next
Can't watch the entire video right now but this will be amazing as all the guitar tone videos. Btw the DV77 IRs are fantastic so nothing about arrogance imo. The linear DV77 IR is my go to IR when creating new tones!
Ahhhhh yes thank you Kohle for using unconventional speakers for metal. I think the Celestion Ruby is the best of the Alnicos for metal. You should try all four Celestion Alnicos in a video!
I got to be honest, I am a little disappointed you didn't give us the Blue with the Manchester as long as we a looking for a new combo. Great video, loved it, just wish we would have gotten that last combination.
I really enjoy that you take the time to demo so many speakers for us. I've fallen down that rabbit hole and am really excited to have discovered new sounds. Having only played the Celestion V30 and G12T-75 for years, I found I really prefer what Eminence makes, but that there are loads of other cool Celestion's to choose from. I hear Fryette cabs are using Fane speakers. Any chance you can check out some of those?
Thanks! I have used the Fane 70 in a few videos already. When my academy launches in October, there will also be a live recording documentary feat. that speaker in a 4x12
Actually, they are using both Fanes and Eminences: the P50E is Eminence OEM for Fryette, and for the past years, P50Es in a Fat Bottom 4x12 are my favourite setup for my own tone. I'd be interested in Kohle's opinion on that cab (it's also front-loaded btw) & speaker too. I'm also eagerly waiting for someone to capture IRs of P50Es in a FB 2x12 (if interested, make sure to express interest to Justin York, I know he used to have one about a year ago).
Alnico Blue is THE guitar speaker! Great to hear it at your channel! The Anniversary G12H should be similar sounded and is significant cheaper (in case you need a few for these 4x12" ;-)) - would be GREAT if you could do a comparison if the higher cost of the Blue is worth it!
Have to admit, that blue speaker blew me away!! But realistically it makes sense, I've always loved the staple pickup in a 50s LP custom which is Alnico as well.
The Vox AC30 (mainly the older models) are a powerhouse for metal. It's like your guitar tone is made of glass and cuts through a mix with almost no work
I love the Alnico blue. I compared it to the g12h-30 and they’re voiced so close it’s insane. You want 120w 412 that sounds similar to the blue, look at the g12h-30 anniversary
Really like to see you trying some 10” speakers, even doing some blind tests between 12’s and 10’s to see what people prefer. Blind tests are so important to remove bias and focus on the results not the expectations or bias people may bring with them.
@@KohleAudioKult awesome. Bassists seem a little more adventurous with the speaker sizes using cabs with 10’s, 12’s or 15’s. Would be nice to see guitar players vary from using 12’s. I use a Orange PPC410 (4X10 closed back cab) stacked under a PPC212OB (2X12 open back cab) and the blend of 10’s and 12’s is really nice to my ear. The 10’s are much more quick and responsive.
I have zero V30s. I have a Eminence Texas Heat (well broken in, an absolute necessity with that one), a Celestion Century Vintage (neo-dymium), a Celestion C-90 from a Boogie cab, and an Eminence Governor. Love them all. I would like to have a V30 to put in a 2x12 cab with a G12-75T… I also like high power Celestions (Lead 80, Redback, G12K-100). The Creamback is very nice too.
the Blue sounds great, for some reason reminds me of the speakers in my 90's Valvestate cab ? .....that is your micing of the Engle through the Blue ....makes a similar tone to My 5150 block, or Jet City JCA50 through my Valvestate cab...In the room...which is odd hahaha
Soldano cabs come stock with V30’s and alnico creams and gets astonishing results. I’m a big modern metal guy but I love older rock and modern indie pop stuff so I want a speaker combo that sounds good for any nonsensical medley I’d like to play
@@KohleAudioKult this was something I watched a year ago and misremembered, some things, my bad! Here you goru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HiEmYq8YsnI.html
Rock on brother! That's the message everyone new to their instrument needs to hear. Sure it's good to have inspiration from a few of your favorites, but everyone should try a bunch of diff things to find the sound that is perfect for them! Too many people try to match the tone of their idols instead of creating a whole new tone that will then inspire the next generation!
DV77 is my favorite speaker too. Ive been blending it the past year with my vm1265, and its my favorite speaker blend. The DV77 I find is tighter than a V30 and doesnt have that harshness the V30 has. I will say while the DV77 is mid focused, its also scooped where it needs to be, in the honkey low mids. Makes it just fit in a mix so well.
@@KohleAudioKult yeah, that's the omega speaker, also made by eminence. That one is like a modern, more refined v30, and I like it blended with the dv77 because it gives it an extra bit of cut. Would highly recommend checking that out.
Given that the blue is the grandfather of the v30, Im not surprised it sounds good. If you don't need stage volumes the blue doesn't breakup as much, once you push it, it distorts heavily (part of that VOX jangle) but in a studio you don't need to push volume the same, I have no idea how loud you are tracking but I don't hear the breakup that much here.
Yes definitely don't let anyone tell you this speaker is for this genre and that speaker is for that genre as long as the power handling and impedance are correct. Hell you might prefer the way oval-shaped speakers sound for metal and you would be right as long as it sounds good to you. and you know...everyone sounds the same with those dam vintage 30s
🔥🔥🔥 Try the Celestion 12" Redback!!! It's not very bright at all, but is VERY solid on the low end. I blend it with DV77 or one of your brighter IRs... Would LOVE to see what you can make it do!!! 🤘🤘🤘
@@KohleAudioKult Excellent, I can't wait! You'll be the very first course/academy of any kind I've purchased, but you've taught me soooo much over the past year, I am forever in your debt. Can't wait, buddy!
