I enjoy your real world content from the prospective of somebody who runs a saw for a living. I don’t run any 2 stroke enough to forge much of an opinion so I appreciate guys like you who share their experiences.
Great comparison Jake. I switched to HR-1 a few years ago and it's served me well. I own a tree biz and do my personal firewood and runit in everything i have from a ported Echo 2511 to 395xp and all my other 2 strikes as well. Thanks for taking the time to pull apart ur saw and show us both.
Excellent video, thanks for your time making it. I think you have it nailed on the emphasis regarding idle time during use. All the time under half throttle probably causes 90% of the carbon build up. If it is outside the powerband, it is building carbon.
Absolutely! Timber falling saws see a lot more idle time than what firewood and home owner guys see. As well as lots of blips of the throttle, whether it’s limbing, clearing brush or just feathering up to the hinge.
I personally run motul in everything currently. I've run amsoil dominator, echo red armor and Lucas semi synthetic in the past. I have hundreds of gallons through my saws with no issues or carbon buildup. That being said I have a few other guys that have run my mix and have had the carbon issues they were both landing guys where as I fall timber. The only other differences I noticed is they run mostly stock saws and there chains aren't always the sharpest. I am constantly touching up my chain and my saws are all ported quite heavily and are well on to the warmer side of things. I've yet to blow up a saw with my mix at 40:1 regular unleaded 10% ethanol. I might get some green for that but it hasn't given me any issues and I go through 3 plus gallons a day. I think the best oil depends on where you cut how you cut and how your saw is ported. To each there own but I've found what works for me
I have done some research, and I think any of these quality motocross oils mixes will work great! I bought 1 gallon of motomix for break-in. After that, I am mixing my own using 93 Shell with Honda HP2 2 cycle oil. Might use a 40:1 or 50:1. That HP2 is good stuff!
I raced motocross for many years and always ran castor 927 but like anything it has its place. To run that you need to be on the pipe all the time or you’ll be full of smudge and soot. That being said in chainsaw terms it’s fine for firewood, sucks for running on the Skidder doing logging. I’ve found AmsOil dominator works great for me 50:1
I absolutely appreciate this video. Ive switched to belray awhile back and it's served me well and exhaust doesn't stink so much as most other oils. I'm not production faller anymore so my saws don't see the idle time anymore so everything is always clean as hell. I'd re ring and go if was me! Thanks for the video it made so much sense to me!
I'm glad that you showed your math in relation to cost of oil and fuel, it silences that debate quite quickly, if the saw lasts twice as long on moto mix but costs the equivalent of 4 new saw it isn't worth running in a professional use situation. Was interesting to see how dirty the crank case was in comparison to the motul saw as well. As for your question at the end. As a viewer I'd like to see you put it all back together as is and continue to run it to see how much time you can get out of it and then show a cost analysis, but that'd be a bit of work for a small bit of data haha
This is a good comparison of the two. I think the failure concept would be a good addition too the testing, as well. Considering the fact that nobody else is doin it in their vids. Maybe run both saws to failure for a more comprehensive comparison?
Jake , in my experience with the motoul oil it's a good oil but you have to use higher octane fuel other than pump gas , even ethanol free 91 octane isn't high enough octane, I use 91 octane ethanol free fuel with an octane booster that takes it to 99 or 100 octane and in the northeast where I live I run my saws 8 hours a 365 a year and honeycomb brown is the color on my plug and muffler, your absolutely right about cost
Do you have any experience with saws run solely on avgas? $5 a gallon here and supposedly a very high quality fuel. Thanks for your comprehensive videos!
Iv cut for going on 31 years with Stihl 066's I burned 2 gallons of gas a day 10 hour days when I was young cut millions of feet on the orange Stihl 2 stroke and 87 octane in the saws they would go 2 years with no problem
Considering the amount of time on them, I'd say neither looks terrible but the H1-R saw looks very good! As others have asked, im genuinely curious what ratio you're running? 32:1 seems to be overkill for H1-R in my very limited experience with it. Was thinking about trying it closer to 40-42:1 but am not against trying 50:1.
Your 100 % right your working your chainsaw day in day out like 👍 my . Guys cutting 3 or 5 1/3 firewood 🪵 a day in wood 🪵 yard . Gas got nothing to do with it I run regular gas with heavy 40:1 mix because my chainsaw are working all day . Get pay for the timber on the ground . 😊
It depends on the time of year and what I’m cutting. If I’m in mostly pine, or it’s winter time I’ll run a thinner cheaper oil. If it’s mostly Doug fir, tamarack, or it’s summer time I’ll run a more tacky oil.
I agree on the motomix theres no possible way that any one putting any kind of time on a saw could afford to run that and come out ahead i burn 3-5 gallons most weeks not all and my profit margin would go way down i down get it or that 40 dollar a gallon bar oil that a few is pushing i enjoyed the vid stay safe out there
Well , well , well if it ain’t ol Mr. Unlucky from Kentucky himself! Haha 😂 How many new saws have ya burned thru already Wes ? Haha … I’ve been running some of mine for 7 YEARS but then again I don’t run them high compression lipstick jobs like you do 🤭. Motomix as my fuel and there ain’t NO carbon nowhere , compression higher than the day it was built and the saws run like a raped-ape! In Europe it’s mandated by law to run alkylate fuel in some areas and them loggers look to be very prosperous over there so apparently THEY ain’t got no problem payin the higher price 😂… Why some gents have 2000hrs on their saws and STIHL running and clean as the day it came out the factory ! Maybe YOU won’t come out ahead using it but speak for YOURSELF cause I make bank ! $8 mix / gal vs $32 / gal ain’t gonna affect MY bottom line - you’re penny wise and dollar foolish imho … Y’all should be checking the content of that pump gas you’re burning - up here in NY it’s olefins and benzene galore - both KNOWN cancer causing agents - causes leukemia and the effects are cumulative… and you’re running built saws flowin more exhaust breathing in those TOXIC fumes ? nah … I’ll run the alkylate fuel , pay the xtra premium and charge it to the customer cause if you ain’t got your HEALTH then all the $ in the world ain’t worth a shit now is it ?
You couldn't pay me to run the m-mix I'm a better business man than than,shits too expensive!! And besides if I blow up a saw because the fuel wasn't mixed who's to blame..ME?!! Your totally on the right track with motul too much idle time. Too much starting and stopping just like city driving in a car they look the exact same way when you tare them down!! Never got up to operating temperature for long enough periods of time to burn off the carbon deposits. The saw on motul is there any chance you can get him to switch over to maxima formula k2 and run that and see what the results are with that? That's what I'm running and I'm having good luck with it but I do run mine little longer periods of time also but i do have times with lots of starting and stopping and from what I'm seeing in my tests I'm happy! Personally I'd just clean things back up and put it back together on your personal saw. But you have a great video and point of view here..only way m-mix is worth buy is for a homeowner that burns a gallon or less a year in a weed wacker and to store it is it period!!!
